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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 15:24:01 GMT -5
Ummm... Shop Boyz were NEVER # 1 on the Hot 100.... I think they were referring to Pet Shop Boys, not the one hit wonder that got stuck behind "Umbrella". Either way, a UK duo that went number one 25 years ago is hardly relevant to today's chart. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 15:28:20 GMT -5
(edit: This was in response to Slizzard's last post on page 2) LOL, I don't know if I'd say I had a sharp eye; it's probably more that I just read this whole thread plus most of the last one in one sitting and noticed how we were getting progressively fewer and fewer songs with 100+ AI totals. So I happened to be paying attention to a very specific thing and that is why I noticed, because I was expecting PRA to be below 100 for today's update.
Speaking of, when was the last time we only had two songs above 100m AI? I I know we're 'in between' the shift from the summer songs that ruled and the fall songs that will soon take over, but I genuinely can't recall this happening before, at least not under recent chart methodology. In fact I think it's somewhat rare that we have less than four songs above 100m, no?
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Post by tonytaylor on Sept 24, 2011 15:36:31 GMT -5
Billboard's dance airplay chart consists of, like, five stations, so not a great gauge of success. Pr3ssed much. Leona is #1 and you will deal. I think you will only be justified in calling people 'Pr3ssed' if Leona gets to #1 on the Hot100 and they are still spouting off.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 15:42:01 GMT -5
^She doesn't need a Hot 100 #1 to have the gerls hot & bothered though. Just look at them now. :'( Ummm... Shop Boyz were NEVER # 1 on the Hot 100.... A Shop Boyz stan with receipts :o My bad gurrrr, lemme leave yo fave alone! |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 24, 2011 16:07:25 GMT -5
LOL I know you must be joshing, REV. :)
Ms. Lewis just looks to be one of those acts that did decently with one album and then never sees that kind of success again. Just my six cents. ;) She had two top five hits at pop radio, and then just one single from the second album charted at pop- missing the top 30, no less ("Happy" wasn't a bad track, too).
I gather that Gloria Estefan's "WEPA" has little airplay to speak of? Her album is out on Tuesday, a Target exclusive. Remixes have been out on iTunes- one even features the ever-ubiquitous Pitbull.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 16:52:14 GMT -5
I think there is an error here, as this update is the exact same as the one for yesterday. Eagle eyes! :o (edit: This was in response to Slizzard's last post on page 2) LOL, I don't know if I'd say I had a sharp eye; it's probably more that I just read this whole thread plus most of the last one in one sitting and noticed how we were getting progressively fewer and fewer songs with 100+ AI totals. So I happened to be paying attention to a very specific thing and that is why I noticed, because I was expecting PRA to be below 100 for today's update. Speaking of, when was the last time we only had two songs above 100m AI? I I know we're 'in between' the shift from the summer songs that ruled and the fall songs that will soon take over, but I genuinely can't recall this happening before, at least not under recent chart methodology. In fact I think it's somewhat rare that we have less than four songs above 100m, no?  From 4/6 to 4/8, only S&M and Forget You were 100m+ From 4/23 to 4/28, and then 5/4 to 5/6, only E.T. and S&M were 100m+ Those are the only instances this year though. |
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Post by Envoirment on Sept 24, 2011 19:16:15 GMT -5
The only way people are going to be interested again is if she gets airplay and a hit. With the 2nd single, she'll be performing on a lot of shows, so of course it will get people interested again, especially if the song is good and gets a good amount of airplay. All she needs is a good song. Her problem is that since Run, she has yet to top herself. for me and I'm sure for many others, she's remembered for Bleeding Love, Better in Time & Run. The rest was seriously not as good. When she releases something in that level, if not better, then people will start regain interest. Do you really think Collide is what gonna redeem her? She shouldn't be afraid to release a ballad, a good one, as Adelle paved the way for it to succeed, even in today's radio state which doesn't embrace it. No, I don't. Which is what I've stated before in the "Collide" thread: The song didn't do very well in UK too, What's happening? Um what? It went top 5. It also didn't have much radio support. I think what the label wanted to achieve with "Collide" has already been done. It's a way of showing a different side of Leona and getting some material out to create a small buzz, while the album is finalised. It's also beginning to rise in some european countries and seems to be off to a great start in Japan. The label have to be careful with their US release of the 3rd album because they need an instant smash, collide isn't that. Collide is a grower, something that works if you have the right airplay support, but I don't think she would get that support in the US with Collide. All she needs is a good song. Her problem is that since Run, she has yet to top herself. for me and I'm sure for many others, she's remembered for Bleeding Love, Better in Time & Run. The rest was seriously not as good. When she releases something in that level, if not better, then people will start regain interest. Do you really think Collide is what gonna redeem her? She shouldn't be afraid to release a ballad, a good one, as Adelle paved the way for it to succeed, even in today's radio state which doesn't embrace it. That's assuming she manages to come back with the right song. It's always odd to me when people say this. Obviously if anyone comes back with the "right song," they can be successful. The problem is they're not releasing songs that have what it takes to be successful. If it was so easy for her to go and record the "right song," what was the purpose of releasing "Collide"?See quote above. Sorry for making this thread become de-railed, I was just responding to someone who was questioning Leona's time in the US, based on Collide. Collide hasn't been released in any way shape or form to radio, except for Clubs/Dance radio stations. |
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Sept 25, 2011 4:44:07 GMT -5
liking the Leona talk. collide is a good song but we will need and have a better 2nd single to launch the 3rd album in the US.
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Post by tonytaylor on Sept 25, 2011 5:35:32 GMT -5
Given that she will have stellar promo slots on both the UK and US X factor shows, Leona will have no excuses if she flops like she did with the sophomore album. There are big, proven stars who would kill to get that sort of free promo.
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Post by Lozzy on Sept 25, 2011 5:46:37 GMT -5
9/25 airplay updates:[/u] 1. MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Moves Like Jagger: 128.034 (+ 0.900) 2. BAD MEETS EVIL - Lighters f/Bruno Mars: 109.694 (- 2.535) 3. ADELE - Someone Like You: 98.333 (+ 2.938) ▲4. LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem: 97.548 (- 2.720) ▼ 5. NICKI MINAJ - Super Bass: 95.075 (- 2.013) ▼ 6. FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Pumped Up Kicks: 94.371 (+ 0.440) ▲ 7. KATY PERRY - Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.): 92.562 (- 2.765) ▼ 8. PITBULL - Give Me Everything f/Ne-Yo: 90.443 (- 2.052) 9. LIL WAYNE - How To Love: 89.298 (- 1.857) 10. ONEREPUBLIC - Good Life: 81.186 (- 0.046) 11. BRITNEY SPEARS - I Wanna Go: 78.243 (- 1.821) 12. GYM CLASS HEROES - Stereo Hearts f/Adam Levine: 71.900 (+ 1.522) ▲13. ADELE - Rolling In The Deep: 70.198 (- 0.222) ▼ 14. RIHANNA - Cheers (Drink To That): 65.169 (- 0.342) ▲ 15. DJ KHALED - I'm On One f/Drake, Rick Ross: 64.861 (- 0.894) ▼ 16. COBRA STARSHIP - You Make Me Feel... f/Sabi: 64.743 (+ 0.297) 17. DEV - In The Dark: 58.590 (- 0.345) 18. LADY GAGA - You And I: 56.524 (+ 0.509) ▲ 19. HOT CHELLE RAE - Tonight Tonight: 56.405 (- 0.746) ▼ 20. RODNEY ATKINS - Take A Back Road: 53.198 (- 0.107) TOBY KEITH - Made In America: 51.378 (+ 0.187) KELLY ROWLAND - Motivation f/Lil Wayne: 50.920 (- 1.982) THE BAND PERRY - If I Die Young: 50.649 (- 1.929) DRAKE - Headlines: 48.557 (+ 0.799) KEITH URBAN - Long Hot Summer: 47.752 (+ 0.210) DAVID GUETTA - Without You f/Usher: 42.262 (+ 0.894) BIG SEAN - Marvin & Chardonnay: 41.144 (+ 0.197) ALEXANDRA STAN - Mr. Saxobeat: 34.704 (- 0.081) KELLY CLARKSON - Mr. Know It All: 34.086 (+ 0.770) MIRANDA LAMBERT - Baggage Claim: 32.954 (+ 0.323) THE SCRIPT - Nothing: 31.267 (+ 0.343) TAYLOR SWIFT - Sparks Fly: 30.524 (+ 0.573) JAY Z & KANYE WEST - N***** In Paris: 27.687 (+ 0.398) RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - Adventures Of Rain Dance...: 23.789 (+ 0.165) LMFAO - Sexy And I Know It: 22.783 (+ 1.519)NICKI MINAJ - Fly f/Rihanna: 19.922 (+ 0.916) BLINK 182 - Up All Night: 7.397 (+ 0.144) RIHANNA - We Found Love f/Calvin Harris: 7.317 (+ 1.876)SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE - Love You Like A Love Song: 7.144 (+ 0.178) COLDPLAY - Paradise: 5.696 (+ 0.643) EVANESCENCE - What You Want: 4.908 (+ 0.222) BRITNEY SPEARS - Criminal: 3.907 (+ 0.196) [Source]
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Post by jebsib on Sept 25, 2011 8:07:35 GMT -5
Noted long term Hot 100 bloggers Paul Grein and Chris Molanphy both had columns THIS week about how they feel the Hot 100 needs to be retooled so that dozens of random album tracks don't clutter the Hot 100 (see Lil Wayne, Taylor Swift, David Cook). What does everyone think? And do you think BB will do something?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 25, 2011 8:20:34 GMT -5
UK X-Factor is a lot more popular than U.S. X-Factor, though- at least based on the first two episodes of the U.S. version. Not that a show has to have Idol-like numbers to spur chart success, though.
I don't see an issue with alum tracks cluttering the chart- in most instances, they're just on the chart for a week or so.
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Post by tonytaylor on Sept 25, 2011 8:25:30 GMT -5
Adele went straight to #1 in the UK when she performed on the Brits (viewing audience a paltry 5 million). It's more about how an artist seizes the promo opportunity as opposed to how many are watching these days IMO - with the multi formats approach an amazing promo performance is soon up on youtube to be seen by millions more.
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Post by Arabella21 on Sept 25, 2011 8:58:41 GMT -5
Adele went straight to #1 in the UK when she performed on the Brits (viewing audience a paltry 5 million). It's more about how an artist seizes the promo opportunity as opposed to how many are watching these days IMO - with the multi formats approach an amazing promo performance is soon up on youtube to be seen by millions more. Considering the population differences, 5 million viewers in Britain is like 25 million in the US, no? Though I realize X Factor UK gets 3-4x as many viewers as the Brits. The TV audience over there is a lot less scattered than it is in America. 3. ADELE - Someone Like You: 98.333 (+ 2.938) ▲ :o She's a machine. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 25, 2011 9:19:19 GMT -5
Noted long term Hot 100 bloggers Paul Grein and Chris Molanphy both had columns THIS week about how they feel the Hot 100 needs to be retooled so that dozens of random album tracks don't clutter the Hot 100 (see Lil Wayne, Taylor Swift, David Cook). What does everyone think? And do you think BB will do something? Do you have a link? I'd love to read the columns because it's way out of control with Glee being the worst. One fix. Increase the % of the formula for airplay and streaming. They can't just start excluding tracks aka "products" that sell. Are they going to make the H100 a "current/promoted" tracks chart? If so, then I'm back to Glee, none of those songs should chart. |
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Post by Rodze on Sept 25, 2011 9:53:23 GMT -5
As long as Billboard wants the Hot 100 to measure the most popular songs of the week, Glee should chart.
Now, if Billboard wants to change the Hot 100 to measure the most popular major label-promoted-to-radio-between-2-min-and-4 min-with-at-least-5s-of-auto-tune-released-as-singles-under-a-full-moon songs, it's their choice. It is their chart.
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Post by felipe on Sept 25, 2011 10:07:49 GMT -5
Noted long term Hot 100 bloggers Paul Grein and Chris Molanphy both had columns THIS week about how they feel the Hot 100 needs to be retooled so that dozens of random album tracks don't clutter the Hot 100 (see Lil Wayne, Taylor Swift, David Cook). What does everyone think? And do you think BB will do something? Do you have a link? I'd love to read the columns because it's way out of control with Glee being the worst. But Glee songs are released as singles, they are not just album tracks. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 10:26:13 GMT -5
I am good with how Billboard is currently doing things. If I had it my way, the only change I would make would be to remove the recurrent rule.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 10:50:45 GMT -5
The recurrent rule is necessary for any chart that uses airplay as a factor, because the entire bottom half of the Hot 100 would be nothing but old songs. And there'd be little room for new titles to chart. "I'm Yours" and "I Gotta Feeling" would be pushing 100 weeks.
Now if the Hot 100 was solely sales based like the UK charts, then I think it'd make more sense to ditch the recurrent rule.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 10:52:52 GMT -5
The recurrent rule is necessary for any chart that uses airplay as a factor, because the entire bottom half of the Hot 100 would be nothing but old songs. And there'd be no room for new titles to chart. "I'm Yours" and "I Gotta Feeling" would be pushing 100 weeks. I'd like that. It would likely be a blend of those type of songs and digital debut tracks. Which I'm fine with. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 25, 2011 10:58:36 GMT -5
i'd rather have those old songs charting in the bottom half, than have it cluttered with those country tracks i've never heard of.
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Post by NeRD on Sept 25, 2011 11:01:38 GMT -5
Hoping for Rihanna to debut in the Top 10 next week.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 25, 2011 11:30:41 GMT -5
Do you have a link? I'd love to read the columns because it's way out of control with Glee being the worst. But Glee songs are released as singles, they are not just album tracks. But Glee songs have zero airplay - IMO each episode is the equivalent of an EP; therefore - they are tracks. You can't treat Glee differently than Taylor or LW. I'd like to see the recurrent rule changed. If a song has enough airplay and points to chart in Top 50 or Top 40 it should chart - such as AIWFCIY or if a song gets a huge upsurge because it's featured on a show or YouTube, etc., then why shouldn't be allowed? ITA - we don't need bottom of chart cluttered, but there should be some adjustments. |
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Post by slw84 on Sept 25, 2011 11:31:07 GMT -5
i'd rather have those old songs charting in the bottom half, than have it cluttered with those country tracks i've never heard of. See, i'd rather new songs at least have the opportunity to chart with old clutter because of insane play, payola and other things blocking them. I think the 20 week rule is ok. I just wish that instead of dropping below 50 it would be top 40 instead. Ppl think about top 40 more (i.e. countdowns etc.) anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 11:34:47 GMT -5
Only allowing label promoted songs to chart would cause a huge mess. There have been some major hits that didn't initially receive label support as a single. So those songs shouldn't be allowed to chart until the label gives Billboard the green light? Then labels would be holding songs off for #1 debuts and everyone would be complaining about THAT. The chart is fine.
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Post by Push The Button on Sept 25, 2011 13:03:24 GMT -5
Adele went straight to #1 in the UK when she performed on the Brits (viewing audience a paltry 5 million). It's more about how an artist seizes the promo opportunity as opposed to how many are watching these days IMO - with the multi formats approach an amazing promo performance is soon up on youtube to be seen by millions more. 5 million in the UK is a very different audience than 5 million in the US. X-Factor only managed a 4.5 and a 4.4 on both of its days this week - so yes, she will have an excuse if this show averages a smaller audience than The Voice, which launched with a 5.7. |
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Post by Rodze on Sept 25, 2011 13:12:32 GMT -5
But Glee songs have zero airplay... Glee songs have weekly airplay on TV where they reach millions of listeners. |
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on Sept 25, 2011 13:14:59 GMT -5
MORE MEDIABASE
9/25/2011 Update
GEORGE STRAIT -Here For A Good Time= 41.920
BLAKE SHELTON -God Gave Me You= 40.898 (+0.320)
TRACE ADKINS -Just Fishin'= 40.540 (+0.006)
LIL WAYNE -She Will f/Drake= 40.672 (+1.143)
LADY ANTEBELLUM -Just A Kiss= 40.146
ELI YOUNG BAND -Crazy Girl= 36.783
JASON DERULO -It Girl= 27.467 (+0.430)
THOMPSON SQUARE -I Got You= 27.074 (-0.043)
LADY ANTEBELLUM -We Owned The Night= 25.951 (+0.679)
ANDY GRAMMER - Keep Your Head Up= 25.239 (+0.404)
NEW BOYZ -Better With The Lights Off= 25.077 (+0.522)
WALE - That Way f/Jeremih & Rick Ross= 23.520 (+0.485)
CHRIS BROWN -Wet The Bed= 23.287 (+0.362)
RASCAL FLATTS -Easy= 21.196 (+0.080)
MINDLESS BEHAVIOR -Mrs. Right f/Diggy Simmons= 19.485
FOO FIGHTERS - Walk= 19.176 (-0.063)
JASON ALDEAN - Tattoos On This Town= 19.126 (+0.802)
ACE HOOD -Body 2 Body f/Chris Brown= 16.817 (+0.781)
THE BAND PERRY - All Your Life= 16.542 (+0.459)
J. COLE -Workout= 14.936 (+0.221)
MATT NATHANSON -Faster= 14.478 (+0.249)
COLBIE CAILLAT -Brighter Than The Sun= 14.106 (+0.023)
LLOYD -Dedication To My Ex...= 13.283 (+0.266)
CEE LO GREEN -Fool For You f/Melanie Fiona= 12.649
SEAN PAUL -Got 2 Luv U f/Alexis Jordan= 12.394 (+0.209)
ZAC BROWN BAND -Keep Me In Mind= 12.276 (+0.934)
GAVIN DEGRAW - Not Over You = 11.421 (+0.365)
BEYONCE - Party f/Kanye & Andre= 11.404 (+ 0.545)
BUSH - The Sound Of Winter= 10.751 (+0.276)
KELLY ROWLAND -Lay It On Me f/Big Sean= 10.508 (+0.147)
KELLIE PICKLER -Tough= 7.866 (-0.019)
PATRICK STUMP -This City f/Lupe Fiasco= 7.854 (+0.319)
SEETHER -Tonight= 7.668 (+0.008)
DEMI LOVATO - Skyscraper = 7.169 (-0.178)
TYRESE -Stay= 6.335
T-PAIN -5 O'clock f/Wiz Khalifa & Lily Allen = 6.264 (+1.251)
MARTINA MCBRIDE -I'm Gonna Love You Through It= 6.142 (+0.302)
LUKE BRYAN -I Don’t Want This Night To End= 5.857 (+0.393)
MAT KEARNEY-Hey Mama= 5.266 (+0.105)
CHRIS YOUNG -You= 4.917 (+0.338)
CHRIS BROWN - Beautiful People= 4.430 (+0.206)
MELANIE FIONA -4 AM= 4.309 (+0.358)
MICHELLE BRANCH -Loud Music= 3.985 (+0.043)
BIRDMAN -Y.U. Mad f/Nicki Minaj= 3.644 (+0.273)
YOUNG THE GIANT -Cough Syrup= 3.551
LAUREN ALAINA -Like My Mother Does= 3.503 (+0.014)
INCUBUS -Promises, Promises= 3.499 (-0.120)
FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Helena Beat= 3.193 (-0.089)
FLO RIDA -Good Feeling= 3.170 (+0.252)
JESSIE J -Domino= 3.103 (+0.321)
MARY J. BLIGE -25/8= 3.045 (+0.279)
DAUGHTRY - Crawling Back To You= 3.343 (+0.780)
ENRIQUE IGLESIAS -I Like How It Feels= 2.699 (+0.163)
SIMPLE PLAN -Jet Lag f/Natasha Bedingfield= 2.133 (+0.026)
BEYONCE -Love On Top= 1.939 (+0.007)
SCOTTY MCCREERY -The Trouble With Girls= 1.831 (+0.121)
FLORENCE + THE MACHINE - What The Water Gave Me= 1.743 (+0.142)
BEYONCE -Countdown= 1.639 (-0.127)
DEATH CAB FOR CUTIE -Stay Young, Go Dancing= 1.567 (+0.004)
JAY Z & KANYE WEST -Why I Love You f/Mr. Hudson= 1.432 (+0.158)
SNOW PATROL -Called Out In The Dark= 1.423 (+0.017)
NICKELBACK -When We Stand Together= 1.364 (+0.476)
CAGE THE ELEPHANT - Aberdeen= 1.271 (-0.053)
NOEL GALLAGHER -If I Had A Gun= 1.270 (+0.070)
NICKELBACK -Bottoms Up= 1.173 (+0.490)
CASEY JAMES-Let's Don't Call It A Night= 1.146 (+0.068)
WE THE KINGS -Say You Like Me= 1.082
FEIST -How Come You Never Go There= 0.946 (+0.025)
NICOLE SCHERZINGER -Don't Hold Your Breath= 0.919 (+0.142)
MARIO -The Walls f/Fabolous= 0.833 (+0.061)
FOO FIGHTERS -These Days= 0.800 (+0.012)
ELLIE GOULDING -Lights= 0.703 (+0.041)
HOT CHELLE RAE -I Like It Like That f/New Boyz= 0.698 (+0.095)
JENNIFER LOPEZ -Papi= 0.697 (+0.108)
ESTELLE -Thank You= 0.670 (+0.002)
KATY PERRY -One That Got Away= 0.246 (+0.066)
JOJO - Disaster!!! = 0.245 (+0.021)
DAUGHTRY -Renegade= 0.162 (+0.024)
V V BROWN -Children (Keep On Singing)=0.061 (+0.025)
LEONA LEWIS -Collide= 0.041 (=)
AVRIL LAVIGNE - Wish You Were Here = 0.011 (=)
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Post by tonytaylor on Sept 25, 2011 13:46:22 GMT -5
Adele went straight to #1 in the UK when she performed on the Brits (viewing audience a paltry 5 million). It's more about how an artist seizes the promo opportunity as opposed to how many are watching these days IMO - with the multi formats approach an amazing promo performance is soon up on youtube to be seen by millions more. 5 million in the UK is a very different audience than 5 million in the US. X-Factor only managed a 4.5 and a 4.4 on both of its days this week - so yes, she will have an excuse if this show averages a smaller audience than The Voice, which launched with a 5.7. I'm hoping unintentionally but you are comparing apples with oranges here and I assume posters who know nothing about the way US TV ratings work will swallow it. The '4.5' and 4.4' figures you talk about for X Factor US are not millions viewing, are they? They are the %tage of 18-49 year olds watching. Correct so far? IIRC the ACTUAL viewing figures for the first 2 episodes of US X Factor were between 12 and 13 million. Yes? PS Don't forget Leona is booked on BOTH UK and US X factors so no matter how anyone spins this it's absolute top notch promotion - she will be singing for a combined TV audience of over 25 million people (and that's if US X factor doesn't improve its ratings)!! It seems like you are already making excuses for her - let's wait to see how she does first. She might just smash it  |
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Post by Push The Button on Sept 25, 2011 14:13:41 GMT -5
I am not making excuses for anyone - you seem to think that anyone who appears on tv is supposed to have smash hit songs.
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