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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 4, 2014 22:11:25 GMT -5
Everything about this era has NOT been normal since January.
No videos.
No announcement of a 3rd single.
Nothing.
When March 1st came and there was no news, I thought the AP era was over. (Not counting the tour)
Was at Best Buy today. AP is $17.99! Was at Target: $15.99!
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Post by Keelzit on Mar 4, 2014 22:14:39 GMT -5
Everything about this era has NOT been normal since January. No videos. No announcement of a 3rd single. Nothing. When March 1st came and there was no news, I thought the AP era was over. (Not counting the tour) I agree that this has not been a 'normal' era but releasing a song that's already on the album as a single is hardly a relaunch. It's just a new single from an album that's been out for some months now even if you take into account the messiness of the release schedule and the lack of a video for the 2nd single. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 22:17:37 GMT -5
If it's indeed true, then I'm interested to see what G.U.Y. does next month. I really can't wait to see the video.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 4, 2014 22:18:20 GMT -5
WHY is everyone bothered by the word "relaunch"?? LOL
Did Gaga say re-launch? No.
Some guy at MTV did. Or the poster who posted what his MTV friend said.
This album has not been traditionally promoted since mid-December.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 4, 2014 22:24:12 GMT -5
Not even. Katy makes great pop songs. I wouldn't want anything else from her. Gaga makes pop experiences. I expect nothing less. Who cares what you expect? People nowadays do not care about themed albums, they do not care about your concepts or the meaning behind each song. They just want good music. That's her problem along with Christina Aguilera's. They go into the studios for years trying to record these artistic albums and people don't want them. You've got to be a hardcore stan if you cannot see that her music is void of commercial appeal. Even when she was giving up all of her theatrics in the past, her music was catchy and spoke for itself without a visual. And THAT is why Katy is doing so well - she gets straight to the meat and the potatoes f**k an entree. Tell that to The Fame Monster and Born This Way. Both solid albums. Both had hits, obviously one more successful than the other. If all you're here for is commercial appeal, that's fine but Gaga has always been more than that. If she wasn't, she wouldn't be as interesting. I have enough pop stars on my plate that give me what I want in the way of meat and potatoes. For Gaga, I expect and want something that will keep me fed over a longer period of time. She's changed my perception of music before. I'm sure she can maintain that perception while delivering solid music. It's too bad you want her cheapened. I'm not here for that. Good day sir. |
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Post by die Lotterie on Mar 4, 2014 22:35:40 GMT -5
Not even. Katy makes great pop songs. I wouldn't want anything else from her. Gaga makes pop experiences. I expect nothing less. Who cares what you expect? People nowadays do not care about themed albums, they do not care about your concepts or the meaning behind each song. They just want good music. That's her problem along with Christina Aguilera's. They go into the studios for years trying to record these artistic albums and people don't want them. You've got to be a hardcore stan if you cannot see that her music is void of commercial appeal. Even when she was giving up all of her theatrics in the past, her music was catchy and spoke for itself without a visual. And THAT is why Katy is doing so well - she gets straight to the meat and the potatoes f**k an entree. Pardon my ignorance, but what is the exact difference between a themed album and an album based on a particular concept and meaning? |
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Post by Agent YoncΓ© on Mar 4, 2014 22:35:52 GMT -5
My job's playlist has been updated & they have 2 Gaga songs in it: 'Fashion!' & 'ARTPOP'. They aren't ready for this era to end :'(
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 5, 2014 8:48:36 GMT -5
Fashion is awful.
I heard Manicure on the Today show again.
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Post by lookinghot on Mar 5, 2014 8:51:20 GMT -5
So sloppy, the only thing I hope they're doing is holding out on a hot new track...false hope but hope.
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Post by kmbgs on Mar 5, 2014 9:40:07 GMT -5
Honestly, only track that could relaunch this era is Fashion of His Love.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 5, 2014 9:44:10 GMT -5
We should create a petition for Gaga to release the BTW ball on DVD!!
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Post by josh on Mar 5, 2014 11:15:51 GMT -5
We should create a petition for Gaga to release the BTW ball on DVD!! With what? Fan recordings? She got hurt before they did professional filming. |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 5, 2014 12:02:09 GMT -5
I will never understand why anyone wants every pop star to be the same. Like, we have one Katy why should everyone be a Katy? I would definitely not want everyone to be a Gaga either. I guess some people just boil everything down to numbers and for that reason releasing radio friendly fun music non-stop is probably what every musician should be doing, but god how boring would the world be if everyone in the music industry released Dr. Luke cds every time. I think I would just stop listening to music.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 5, 2014 12:27:16 GMT -5
We should create a petition for Gaga to release the BTW ball on DVD!! With what? Fan recordings? She got hurt before they did professional filming. I'd be surprised if there weren't professional recordings of her shows, even if they were intended for internal use. |
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Post by August on Mar 5, 2014 13:12:52 GMT -5
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Mar 5, 2014 13:29:57 GMT -5
Could G.U.Y. be her Give Your Heart A Break?!
For Gaga's sake, I hope so.
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Post by getonthebus on Mar 5, 2014 14:07:16 GMT -5
I feel like there's been an article like this for every tour since Monster Ball, so I take it with a grain of salt. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 5, 2014 14:13:54 GMT -5
It's more telling if it's a common thing across most of her tour dates. Has it been though? On one hand, NYC has the pre-tour shows anyway.
Maybe the Examiner can shed some light on the issue?
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Post by getonthebus on Mar 5, 2014 14:19:41 GMT -5
No matter what we all think, let's just agree: Betch needs to do something, soon, or we're all going to die of thirst.
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Post by August on Mar 5, 2014 16:37:03 GMT -5
It's more telling if it's a common thing across most of her tour dates. Has it been though? On one hand, NYC has the pre-tour shows anyway. Maybe the Examiner can shed some light on the issue? True, but those pre-shows in total capacity equal one night at the Garden. They total about 22K people. So she has sold the equivalent of about ~1.75 nights at the Garden, which is quite a step down from when she was doing about 4 sold out dates there. She might have done better doing a smaller venue like Radio City, but it probably could not accommodate her set. I mean, obviously we know all the issues she has been having this era, but I assumed she would be able to sell based on her showmanship and reputation for the types of show she does. It also seems like she has been on tour a lot for such a short career. This is her 4th tour in 5 years. The Monster Ball alone was almost two years long. Most of her tours are pretty long. Even the Born This Way Ball, before it was ended, had run about 10 months. Maybe she over saturated the touring market? It is not like she had such a deep catalog where she has the ability to keep changing up the setlist. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 5, 2014 16:48:49 GMT -5
The oversaturation is a likely possibility since, as you mention, this will be her 4th tour since 2009 or so. Most major touring acts in that time haven't had as many tours. Bon Jovi had one in 2013, 2011, 2010 and before that 2008. They tend to do quite well on their tours. Gaga's last two (maybe even 3) have been considerably high considering her recent status as an artist and performer compared to that of a veteran band like Bon Jovi.
I wouldn't be concerned that she's not able to sell out 4 dates in NYC because she did it on a previous tour, especially when all of her pre-tour shows there are sold out and the MSG one is probably not doing terribly bad in sales. I would say her decline in popularity has had an influence on ticket sales but her multiple tours in a short time are probably a significant contributor as well. I don't think her reputation as a performance attraction has taken much of a hit. People know she puts on a good show.
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Post by no apologist on Mar 5, 2014 17:35:43 GMT -5
Who cares what you expect? People nowadays do not care about themed albums, they do not care about your concepts or the meaning behind each song. They just want good music. That's her problem along with Christina Aguilera's. They go into the studios for years trying to record these artistic albums and people don't want them. You've got to be a hardcore stan if you cannot see that her music is void of commercial appeal. Even when she was giving up all of her theatrics in the past, her music was catchy and spoke for itself without a visual. And THAT is why Katy is doing so well - she gets straight to the meat and the potatoes f**k an entree. Tell that to The Fame Monster and Born This Way. Both solid albums. Both had hits, obviously one more successful than the other. If all you're here for is commercial appeal, that's fine but Gaga has always been more than that. If she wasn't, she wouldn't be as interesting. I have enough pop stars on my plate that give me what I want in the way of meat and potatoes. For Gaga, I expect and want something that will keep me fed over a longer period of time. She's changed my perception of music before. I'm sure she can maintain that perception while delivering solid music. It's too bad you want her cheapened. I'm not here for that. Good day sir. Are you seriously comparing those two albums to Artpop? Are you listening to what I am saying? Those two albums had far more commercial appeal than Artpop. If they didn't, the singles were catchy enough for top 40 and catchy enough to sell her albums. None of the singles from Artpop were catchy enough for an occasional listener like me, and I guess the GP thought so too. |
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Post by no apologist on Mar 5, 2014 17:50:36 GMT -5
Who cares what you expect? People nowadays do not care about themed albums, they do not care about your concepts or the meaning behind each song. They just want good music. That's her problem along with Christina Aguilera's. They go into the studios for years trying to record these artistic albums and people don't want them. You've got to be a hardcore stan if you cannot see that her music is void of commercial appeal. Even when she was giving up all of her theatrics in the past, her music was catchy and spoke for itself without a visual. And THAT is why Katy is doing so well - she gets straight to the meat and the potatoes f**k an entree. Pardon my ignorance, but what is the exact difference between a themed album and an album based on a particular concept and meaning? They are the same. But when I think of the two, I have different perspectives, like Mariah and her butterfly theme or TLC with their fanmail theme vs Adele and age titled albums concepts. But yeah, it's all the same. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 5, 2014 18:48:38 GMT -5
Tell that to The Fame Monster and Born This Way. Both solid albums. Both had hits, obviously one more successful than the other. If all you're here for is commercial appeal, that's fine but Gaga has always been more than that. If she wasn't, she wouldn't be as interesting. I have enough pop stars on my plate that give me what I want in the way of meat and potatoes. For Gaga, I expect and want something that will keep me fed over a longer period of time. She's changed my perception of music before. I'm sure she can maintain that perception while delivering solid music. It's too bad you want her cheapened. I'm not here for that. Good day sir. Are you seriously comparing those two albums to Artpop? Are you listening to what I am saying? Those two albums had far more commercial appeal than Artpop. If they didn't, the singles were catchy enough for top 40 and catchy enough to sell her albums. None of the singles from Artpop were catchy enough for an occasional listener like me, and I guess the GP though so too. Yes I am. At the time of their respective releases, I don't think The Fame Monster or Born This Way had the initial commercial appeal that made them fit in comfortably with the sounds that were in that the time. I think, due to Gaga's name and status of those respective moments, radio made room for them and, especially in the case of TFM, shifted toward that sound. All three albums (including Artpop) took me a few listens to really get into them and while I personally do consider Artpop to be the lesser of the three, I think its biggest obstacle is that the harder electro-pop sound isn't as prominent as it was during the two previous albums. If Gaga was still on top of the world during Artpop's release, I've no doubt that she would have gotten hit after hit from the album. Had Artpop been released after TFM instead of Born This Way, I think it would have been a bigger era than BTW ended up being. I do think you're putting too much emphasis on the sound of the songs and not enough on the image of the artist. Obviously both contribute heavily to the success of most eras but when it comes to an established artist of Gaga's calibre, image is a huge thing. As far as the immediate catchiness of the songs, I think Artpop as a whole is catchier than Born This Way. I don't think the era's underperformance is because the songs aren't catchy but because her image is no longer as appealing, which gives her less of a pass for having songs that aren't as in sync with today's sound, plus the sloppy promotion schedule and the general lack of awareness of her team. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 18:59:44 GMT -5
I mean, I think you are both right. Not every artist should be Katy Perry (can you imagine how depressing THAT would be?) but also it's offputting for most people who aren't huge music followers to have a musician hype their music up in the way that Gaga does. Even when she is at her most approachable and likeable state, she treats her albums and music like it's revolutionary and groundbreaking and earth shattering when to the average listener it's just slightly out of the box pop music.
The Fame/The Fame Monster were both commercial. She might have popularized/shaken up the dance pop trend and prolonged its stay at radio, but it was already there when she started to blow up, that era was destined to be a huge commercial success because the material was ear candy but with an edge.
I honestly feel like Born This Way is what killed her hype. Those songs were all jarring, offputting and not catchy to the average listener. Besides Edge of Glory, I remember a lot of people who were interested in Gaga when she first came out being very turned off by both her persona and the music associated with it. I think Born This Way killed the Artpop era before it even started.
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Post by dbhmr on Mar 5, 2014 19:07:12 GMT -5
I mean, I think you are both right. Not every artist should be Katy Perry (can you imagine how depressing THAT would be?) but also it's offputting for most people who aren't huge music followers to have a musician hype their music up in the way that Gaga does. Even when she is at her most approachable and likeable state, she treats her albums and music like it's revolutionary and groundbreaking and earth shattering when to the average listener it's just slightly out of the box pop music. The Fame/The Fame Monster were both commercial. She might have popularized/shaken up the dance pop trend and prolonged its stay at radio, but it was already there when she started to blow up, that era was destined to be a huge commercial success because the material was ear candy but with an edge. I honestly feel like Born This Way is what killed her hype. Those songs were all jarring, offputting and not catchy to the average listener. Besides Edge of Glory, I remember a lot of people who were interested in Gaga when she first came out being very turned off by both her persona and the music associated with it. I think Born This Way killed the Artpop era before it even started. I agree to a certain extent. I think a lot of the music on Born This Way worked, but it wasn't as accessible in the way that her previous albums were. This is also when she become less accessible, as well--so when there wasn't great, catchy, fly-to-number-one music to fall back on, it really nurtured the growing backlash to her uncanny rise to superstardom. Her music began to not simply matter as much, and when you're already pushing something a little harder to swallow (though certainly still good, and at times excellent), the casual fan is just going to turn the other way. She didn't change her approach in any way with ARTPOP, which sounds to me exactly what people who didn't give Born This Way a chance expected it to sound like: a largely tuneless, overwrought, overhyped album. So while I still think ARTPOP is a weak effort, I agree that the snowball that started with Born This Way (maybe even the Alejandro video) and hit a fever-pitch with "Marry The Night" obliterated ARTPOP's chances without a big change in general Gaga delivery. |
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 5, 2014 19:09:06 GMT -5
So I'm lost. Why does this thread say "restarting April 2014"?
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Post by Lozzy on Mar 5, 2014 19:28:08 GMT -5
So I'm lost. Why does this thread say "restarting April 2014"? this: I have a friend who is relatively high up at MTV, and he confirmed that she's relaunching the ARTPOP campaign with GUY next month. Supposedly she's gonna do promo and stuff and really push the song |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 5, 2014 19:28:32 GMT -5
I think that Born This Way and ARTPOP are albums who define who Lady Gaga truly is, and what she wants. The Fame and The Fame Monster, in hindsight, seem label-contrived for mainstream appeal, with less control by her, and it worked out extremely well. So I think she is in somewhat of a losing battle. The music she wants to make isn't radio friendly, and it's weird, nonsensical, etc., and a lot of you (including me somewhat) appreciate that despite whether something flops or not. Now if she suddenly releases The Fame-like material, she'll be viewed as a sellout. The label took control. If she continues making music she wants, she won't be successful (by her standards). So it's a little bit of a lose-lose scenario. It's not quite there yet, but it's leaning towards it.
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Post by QAF on Mar 5, 2014 19:35:14 GMT -5
I don't think Gaga will care if she is perceived as a sellout by some so long as she can regain the popularity she once enjoyed.
I'm curious to see what will happen if this restarting thing flops. Has anything like that every been done under similar circumstances?
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