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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 13:16:48 GMT -5
Starting with the Billboard article for now.... Chris Brown's 'Fortune' Heading for No. 1 on Billboard 200by Keith Caulfield, L.A. | July 05, 2012 1:50 EDT Chris Brown is looking to get his second No. 1 album on the Billboard 200 chart next week, as his new "Fortune" set is headed for the top. Industry sources suggest that the album -- his fifth studio release -- will sell around 125,000 to 140,000 by the end of the tracking week on Sunday, July 8. The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, July 11. "Fortune" was released on Tuesday, July 3 and follows his last studio set -- and first No. 1 -- "F.A.M.E." It arrived atop the list with 270,000 sold in its first week, according to Nielsen SoundScan. "Fortune's" sales debut should be about on par with what Usher's recent "Looking 4 Myself" started with. The latter bowed at No. 1 three weeks ago, selling 128,000. That also was a big drop-off compared to the start of his previous release: "Raymond v Raymond" debuted at No. 1 in 2010 with 329,000. "Fortune" was initially slated for a May 8 bow, but was pushed back to July 3 in late April. Five singles from the album have been released so far, led by "Strip," which came out in late 2011. The song reached No. 3 on the R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, but none of its follow-up tracks have yet hit the top 10. "Sweet Love" has topped out at No. 27 while "Till I Die" rises 37-27 this week. Over on the all-format Billboard Hot 100 chart, the album's pop/dance track "Turn Up the Music" debuted and peaked at No. 10 on the March 3 chart. Its strong start was fueled by robust first-week sales registered after Brown's performance of the song on the Feb. 12 Grammy Awards. However, in terms of radio airplay, the cut peaked at No. 18 on the Pop Songs chart (which ranks the most played songs on mainstream top 40 radio). A second top 40-focused track, "Don't Wake Me Up," was recently sent to radio stations and may debut on the Pop Songs tally in the next week or two. Brown performed the song on the BET Awards, which aired on Sunday, July 1. www.billboard.com/news#/news/chris-brown-s-fortune-heading-for-no-1-on-1007502752.story
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jul 5, 2012 13:21:30 GMT -5
Oops. The urban audience is taking no prisoners this year! :x
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Post by Honeymoon on Jul 5, 2012 13:23:03 GMT -5
It's what I expected with the lack of a big hit. It shouldn't have a problem going Gold and passing Graffiti's sales at least.
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Post by Jay D83 on Jul 5, 2012 13:27:19 GMT -5
Oops. The urban audience is taking no prisoners this year! :x ::Giggles:: Exactly!
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Post by Sure Thing on Jul 5, 2012 13:27:47 GMT -5
When Usher didn't sell -- did anyone expect that much more from Chris Brown? They pull the same audiences.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 13:32:34 GMT -5
I guess this is what most expected after Usher's debut but I honestly thought Chris had a more eager frontload of fans anticipating it.
If this sells similarly to F.A.M.E then he might have legit trouble even reaching gold.
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Post by nighttime on Jul 5, 2012 13:42:36 GMT -5
Hasn't he been actively promoting this album since January? Gotta be a little disappointing.
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Post by Jay D83 on Jul 5, 2012 13:44:39 GMT -5
Hasn't he been actively promoting this album since January? Gotta be a little disappointing. The final nail in the coffin was probably performing two POP singles at the BLACK Entertainment Television Awards. So stupid, that Chris. I actually laughed at loud when the music came on because I could not believe he had the audacity to do that.
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Post by Live Your Life on Jul 5, 2012 13:44:43 GMT -5
Sounds about right to me. His singles have not been sticking, and the material itself is weak.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 13:45:31 GMT -5
I don't even like him, but I cannot even right now. The real test is going to be Trey. He's the only one who is pretty much all urban. If he does something like this then we just have to assume young urban fans are checked out on buying stuff, period, but if he sells substantially better then there really will be something to the 'urban fans said f**k yo' half pop album' theory. And yeah, I agree with Jay, Chris was STUPID performing his pop songs at the EBT Awards. Even Usher and Nicki knew better than to pull that stunt.
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Post by Jay D83 on Jul 5, 2012 13:47:48 GMT -5
'urban fans said f**k yo' half pop album' theory. Straight hilarity!!
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Post by BadRomance on Jul 5, 2012 13:49:51 GMT -5
Ouch!!
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Post by Sure Thing on Jul 5, 2012 13:49:55 GMT -5
I don't even like him, but I cannot even right now. The real test is going to be Trey. He's the only one who is pretty much all urban. If he does something like this then we just have to assume young urban fans are checked out on buying stuff, period, but if he sells substantially better then there really will be something to the 'urban fans said f**k yo' half pop album' theory. I don't think Trey will even sell like he did with PPP unless he releases some stronger material. Of the top 3 Urban male artists (Usher, Chris, Trey) - Usher has the stronger material and he still under performed. I cannot see Trey outselling Usher overall regardless of his sales in the first week unless Trey has another "Say Ahh".
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jul 5, 2012 13:54:07 GMT -5
*whistles. I saw this coming. Someone brought up a very valid point in here. Usher & Breezy has almost an identical audience they cater to. If Usher didn't sell well, neither is Chris. Just like I said for Usher, I hope Chris will have the legs to scan gold.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jul 5, 2012 13:55:50 GMT -5
I don't even like him, but I cannot even right now. The real test is going to be Trey. He's the only one who is pretty much all urban. If he does something like this then we just have to assume young urban fans are checked out on buying stuff, period, but if he sells substantially better then there really will be something to the 'urban fans said f**k yo' half pop album' theory. And yeah, I agree with Jay, Chris was STUPID performing his pop songs at the EBT Awards. Even Usher and Nicki knew better than to pull that stunt. Yea. The Trey test will be very interesting. I do believe he will scan at least 150k his 1st week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 14:00:00 GMT -5
Hasn't he been actively promoting this album since January? Gotta be a little disappointing. The final nail in the coffin was probably performing two POP singles at the BLACK Entertainment Television Awards. So stupid, that Chris. I actually laughed at loud when the music came on because I could not believe he had the audacity to do that. Death. Honestly, even performing "Strip would have been a better move, as old as it is. Or do like Nicki and perform a random URBAN album track. I was confident about Trey having a strong opening but I srsly dk anymore. Hasn't he been actively promoting this album since January? Gotta be a little disappointing. That might have actually been part of the problem. He's been promoting since the top of the year because of the first release date in March and released like 5 singles already like every month and it probably wore a lot of people out especially considering the material.
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Post by Sure Thing on Jul 5, 2012 14:05:35 GMT -5
I don't even like him, but I cannot even right now. The real test is going to be Trey. He's the only one who is pretty much all urban. If he does something like this then we just have to assume young urban fans are checked out on buying stuff, period, but if he sells substantially better then there really will be something to the 'urban fans said f**k yo' half pop album' theory. And yeah, I agree with Jay, Chris was STUPID performing his pop songs at the EBT Awards. Even Usher and Nicki knew better than to pull that stunt. Yea. The Trey test will be very interesting. I do believe he will scan at least 150k his 1st week. Not unless he releases another "Say Ahh" or "Love Faces". "2 Reasons" is ... blah. "Heart Attack" is just ok to me.
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Post by jgizzle89 on Jul 5, 2012 14:07:46 GMT -5
Well, considering that this album is garbage, and, IMO, his worst yet BY FAR, I'm not really shocked at these numbers. Seriously. This album is fucking atrociously bad. Usher's was quite good, just not especially R&B. "Fortune," on the other hand, has no redeeming qualities.
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Post by jgizzle89 on Jul 5, 2012 14:11:25 GMT -5
I think Trey will do something closer to 180k-200k. When is he releasing?
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jul 5, 2012 14:13:26 GMT -5
I think Trey will do something closer to 180k-200k. When is he releasing? Aug. 21st. I think the label may try to have his 3rd single (that should be released a week or 2 prior to his album dropping) will be a crossover hit.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jul 5, 2012 14:14:50 GMT -5
Yea. The Trey test will be very interesting. I do believe he will scan at least 150k his 1st week. Not unless he releases another "Say Ahh" or "Love Faces". "2 Reasons" is ... blah. "Heart Attack" is just ok to me. If he releases another 'Say Ahh' type song, 150k shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by NeRD on Jul 5, 2012 14:15:12 GMT -5
*whistles. I saw this coming. Someone brought up a very valid point in here. Usher & Breezy has almost an identical audience they cater to. If Usher didn't sell well, neither is Chris. Just like I said for Usher, I hope Chris will have the legs to scan gold. You were right! So we got Trey Songz up next right? I think it may do a little better.
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Post by Rican@ on Jul 5, 2012 14:26:48 GMT -5
Damn, these artists are putting up numbers as if they are in their veteran years (when it is acceptable).
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jul 5, 2012 14:26:57 GMT -5
Wow.
Some record execs are freaking right now.
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Post by Sure Thing on Jul 5, 2012 14:28:45 GMT -5
Wow. Some record execs are freaking right now. Gotta admit this album was DOA without a major hit. But hey - it's a #1 album. If he can scan gold -- it's pretty much equal to going double platinum 10 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 14:54:12 GMT -5
Damn, these artists are putting up numbers as if they are in their veteran years (when it is acceptable). Well at least Usher IS close to that point, he has been around for 18-19 years. (Not saying that he was by any means ready to get shoved into the old folks' home with this era but at least he has a long career behind him to soften the blow.) Chris, though... I don't think Trey will even sell like he did with PPP unless he releases some stronger material. Of the top 3 Urban male artists (Usher, Chris, Trey) - Usher has the stronger material and he still under performed. I cannot see Trey outselling Usher overall regardless of his sales in the first week unless Trey has another "Say Ahh". Say Ahh was big for him but that is mainly because it crossed over. And it was the fourth or fifth single so I don't think it moved as many albums for him as say, Bottoms Up did as a lead for PPP. On urban, I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 Reasons do similarly well to SA or BU (top 5 peak, decent longevity), making his lack of comparable success to the latter two songs a somewhat moot point since his target audience will have been reached. If he sells less precisely b/c he doesn't have that crossover SA/BU type hit waiting in the wings, it makes the matter even more befuddling b/c the correlating theory to urban fans being put off by pop songs is that pop audiences don't buy albums. Theoretically, Trey shouldn't actually be worried about losing album sales b/c of a lack of awareness among pop fans. I do agree that 2 Reasons is probably the weakest single I've heard from him (though for some reason it's starting off really well I think? So urban may not agree with me). I love Heart Attack though and it's doing very well right now. Trey also has the benefit of another month and a half before his album drops so he can release a third single if it seems like 2 Reasons isn't doing its job. In fact he'll probably have another single out anyway, a week or so before the album. I won't doubt that Usher's album >>> Trey's album in overall quality but people who are fans of Trey will feel like they know what they are getting with him and that may make them more inclined to buy it right away. I don't know if Trey's era will have long legs though, that is where I think Usher can outdo him b/c Usher has plenty urban and urban-AC worthy singles left. Chris doesn't seem to have either advantage. I haven't heard the album but the reviews have not been great for it, so it doesn't seem like he'll have the longevity that Usher is capable of pulling off.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jul 5, 2012 15:11:30 GMT -5
Wow. Some record execs are freaking right now. Gotta admit this album was DOA without a major hit. But hey - it's a #1 album. If he can scan gold -- it's pretty much equal to going double platinum 10 years ago. No, I'm more talking about how disappointing most of the 2012 album releases have been. Forget albums hitting hitting 1.5 million anymore. Hitting 1 million will now be a huge deal. The only artist who can maybe hit 2 million scanned this year will be Taylor Swift and whomever releases the big Christmas album this year.
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Post by Sure Thing on Jul 5, 2012 15:45:39 GMT -5
Gotta admit this album was DOA without a major hit. But hey - it's a #1 album. If he can scan gold -- it's pretty much equal to going double platinum 10 years ago. No, I'm more talking about how disappointing most of the 2012 album releases have been. Forget albums hitting hitting 1.5 million anymore. Hitting 1 million will now be a huge deal. The only artist who can maybe hit 2 million scanned this year will be Taylor Swift and whomever releases the big Christmas album this year. I'm curious to see how much Alicia will sell.
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Post by asg4 on Jul 5, 2012 15:48:50 GMT -5
Rihannas next album might do no better
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 15:50:28 GMT -5
I don't see Trey scanning substantially better. He basically has no pop audience buying the album and his singles seem forgettable compared to those that led off his previous album.
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