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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 11:01:09 GMT -5
that does not mean he "beats women" that makes his sound like he always does it when its just one isolated incident There are celebs who have done far worse + havent suffered at all yet they get skipped over so why bother picking on Chris What about the isolated incident where he stormed off The Today Show and threw a chair through a window? And the isolated incidents where he continues to make misogynist, pro-violence statements on a regular basis? What are these "statements"? lol
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Post by Oprah on Jul 8, 2012 11:02:43 GMT -5
You've tried to make the Britney comparison before and it's completely ludicrous. She was sick and was primarily hurting herself, not others. She never savaged a loved one, either. People keep giving Chris Brown shit because he still has immature, violent outbursts and clearly hasn't changed since that time he tried to, you know, kill his girlfriend.
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Post by slicknickshady on Jul 8, 2012 11:05:05 GMT -5
Yep, Do people forget Rihanna was almost beaten to death?
I don't care if she supposedly forgave him. I like Rihanna but that's one thing i disagree with, She should not have forgave him if she did.
But that doesnt mean i have to or that she should have forgave him or that anyone else has too. She was beaten to the verge of Death. She almost died for crying out loud.
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Post by Sure Thing on Jul 8, 2012 11:14:36 GMT -5
Everyone deserves forgiveness if they are truly sorry for what they did - it's no one's place to say that Rihanna shouldn't of forgave him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 11:21:23 GMT -5
There are cultural differences when it comes to forgiving. I don't really think it's anyone's place to tell someone else whether or not they should forgive someone else. If that individual has it in their heart to forgive, who is anyone else to tell them they're wrong for doing so?
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 8, 2012 11:21:46 GMT -5
Rihanna can do what she wants and forgiving him isn't an issue to me (though I do take issue with the "Birthday Cake" situation). Having said that, I'm perfectly happy watching Chris Brown struggle.
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Post by Sure Thing on Jul 8, 2012 11:32:30 GMT -5
He isn't struggling - it's a #1 album. I can't see this album having legs like his competetion (Looking 4 Myself, Chapter 5) though.
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Post by F.A.M.O.U.S. on Jul 8, 2012 13:49:30 GMT -5
You've tried to make the Britney comparison before and it's completely ludicrous. She was sick and was primarily hurting herself, not others. She never savaged a loved one, either. People keep giving Chris Brown s**t because he still has immature, violent outbursts and clearly hasn't changed since that time he tried to, you know, kill his girlfriend. Do you know him PERSONALLY to say that he hasnt changed?? Because of that 1 incident,the media runs with that image of him continuously and viciously because no matter how many times he's said sorry they STILL harp on about it.......Im not excusing the GMA incident but cmon everybody has a breaking point....imagine the media harping on your single mistake and demonizing you over it publicly Just like he said,the media did the same to Britney demonizing her until she had enough + had her breaking point with shaving her head and then attacking paparazzis with umbrellas Also yes its not for ANYBODY besides rihanna to determine if he deserves forgivess and she has so just move on
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Post by musik... on Jul 8, 2012 14:46:03 GMT -5
He will never live down the assault for two main reasons. One, domestic violence is among the worst crimes one can commit in the eyes of most people. Add to that the victim he assaulted was his global superstar girlfriend and you have a significant pop cultural moment. Two, the media's fascination with celebrities is on a totally different level then it had ever been before. It was a defining moment in his life and career and will eternally follow him. Just look at Michael Jackson. He was never able to fully redeem himself after those criminal allegations. As unfortunate as it may be for him, theres a price to pay for fame.
Aside from that, I'm not surprised by the numbers at all. The album is nothing compelling and doesn't really display any artistic growth. It's standard Breezy fare. I think it'll make gold but will take quite some time to get there considering there's not much gravity to it.
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Post by ga68153 on Jul 8, 2012 14:47:22 GMT -5
You've tried to make the Britney comparison before and it's completely ludicrous. She was sick and was primarily hurting herself, not others. She never savaged a loved one, either. People keep giving Chris Brown s**t because he still has immature, violent outbursts and clearly hasn't changed since that time he tried to, you know, kill his girlfriend. Do you know him PERSONALLY to say that he hasnt changed?? Because of that 1 incident,the media runs with that image of him continuously and viciously because no matter how many times he's said sorry they STILL harp on about it.......Im not excusing the GMA incident but cmon everybody has a breaking point....imagine the media harping on your single mistake and demonizing you over it publicly Just like he said,the media did the same to Britney demonizing her until she had enough + had her breaking point with shaving her head and then attacking paparazzis with umbrellas Also yes its not for ANYBODY besides rihanna to determine if he deserves forgivess and she has so just move on And do YOU know him personally to be defending him so hard? A #1 album means nothing if it flops. Which this will. The material is weak IMO, has nothing to do with who he hit and who he didn't hit. Strip is the only good single released so far.
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Post by musicjunky318 on Jul 8, 2012 14:51:43 GMT -5
I think what some folks hold against Chris is his level of immaturity and the feeling that he doesn't take responsiblity for his actions. And to be honest I believe people would have more respect for him if he took a leadership route. Go out and become a spokesman for domestic violence groups. Say, "I'm gonna go out my way to speak out against brutality against women. I'm gonna go out to shelters and use my platform and celebrity to raise awareness." But instead he did a (weak) PR run and to this day I don't have any idea what he said on that Larry King interview. He was avoiding it. Instead we get these Twitter rampages and throwing s**t through windows. It's like he's always in something. Even if he didn't start it he's always there. Never fails to take bait. He has to respond to everything. His music is music and its actually evolved as time went on but I'd be lying if I said I saw any personal growth. I'd like to, I just haven't seen it yet.
And the Britney comparison is just nonsense. You can't relate a self-inflicted wound to his drama. Same thing with Whitney, Lindsay, etc. Rule #1 is you can do anything to yourself, just don't hurt anybody else. Chris could have killed Rhi.
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Post by ga68153 on Jul 8, 2012 14:58:15 GMT -5
Chris Brown hasn't changed. After the Drake incident, the first thing he does is run into the studio and make a diss track. Grow up. Has Drake even come at Chris Brown at all since the incident?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 15:02:55 GMT -5
You've tried to make the Britney comparison before and it's completely ludicrous. She was sick and was primarily hurting herself, not others. She never savaged a loved one, either. People keep giving Chris Brown s**t because he still has immature, violent outbursts and clearly hasn't changed since that time he tried to, you know, kill his girlfriend. Do you know him PERSONALLY to say that he hasnt changed?? Because of that 1 incident,the media runs with that image of him continuously and viciously because no matter how many times he's said sorry they STILL harp on about it.......Im not excusing the GMA incident but cmon everybody has a breaking point....imagine the media harping on your single mistake and demonizing you over it publicly Just like he said,the media did the same to Britney demonizing her until she had enough + had her breaking point with shaving her head and then attacking paparazzis with umbrellas Also yes its not for ANYBODY besides rihanna to determine if he deserves forgivess and she has so just move on Shaving one's head =/= Bashing someone's head on the dashboard
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Post by Oprah on Jul 8, 2012 15:03:37 GMT -5
musicjunky is right on the money. It's not as if Chris did one or two questionable things since he beat Rihanna, he's constantly involved in some mess. You can make excuses for each conflict he gets himself into but at the end of the day he's the common denominator in every single one. It may not be my prerogative to forgive him for anything since he hasn't actually done anything to me personally, but it is my prerogative to judge him for his actions.
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Post by NeRD on Jul 8, 2012 15:09:28 GMT -5
Blah Blah Blah...
Chris...is Chris. I'll just leave it at that.
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Post by F.A.M.O.U.S. on Jul 8, 2012 15:54:03 GMT -5
Chris Brown hasn't changed. After the Drake incident, the first thing he does is run into the studio and make a diss track. Grow up. Has Drake even come at Chris Brown at all since the incident? What?? You realise that the "Drake Incident" was created BY Drake right.....HE was the one throwing bottle AT Chris. Chris was completely innocent in that situation and frankly I dont see how making a song about it is bad or immature AT ALL. He didnt retaliate against him physically,he just wrote about how much of a PUNK move that was in song. Are you really going to bash him over that??? Why not Drake? smh stuff like THIS is what Im talking about.
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Post by F.A.M.O.U.S. on Jul 8, 2012 15:58:20 GMT -5
Also,the Britney comparison was to show how media unfairly targets her with negativity that feeds the publics mind + makes every thing they print seem believable. And it wasnt only self inflicted, she attacked paparazzis with umbrellas,drove with her son in her lap,locked herself in the bathroom with her children which are all dangerous to ppl other than herself......Difference is that I dont judge her or bash her because I know how media likes to get out the worst of people
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Post by stuntbox on Jul 8, 2012 17:55:23 GMT -5
Chris Brown hasn't changed. After the Drake incident, the first thing he does is run into the studio and make a diss track. Grow up. Has Drake even come at Chris Brown at all since the incident? What?? You realise that the "Drake Incident" was created BY Drake right.....HE was the one throwing bottle AT Chris. Chris was completely innocent in that situation and frankly I dont see how making a song about it is bad or immature AT ALL. He didnt retaliate against him physically,he just wrote about how much of a PUNK move that was in song. Are you really going to bash him over that??? Why not Drake? smh stuff like THIS is what Im talking about. Chris completely innocent?? What are you smoking. Chris is garbage and most people were happy he got his butt kicked. He is only a tough guy when it comes to fighting girls. As for the album, I doubt it will go gold. All his songs are euro-dance rejects and nothing is a stand out.
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Post by chartfreak on Jul 8, 2012 18:26:40 GMT -5
Wait, why is Katy Perry not mentioned in the Billboard 200 update?
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Post by Envoirment on Jul 8, 2012 18:32:13 GMT -5
Wait, why is Katy Perry not mentioned in the Billboard 200 update? I don't think it includes catalogue albums and Katy's album is nearly two years old, so maybe that's why? Happy to see all these increasing in sales! Adele (XL/Columbia) 45-50k Gotye (Fairfax/Republic) 40-45k Fun. (Fueled by Ramen) 40-45k Florence + the Machine (Republic) 24-27k Perhaps Gotye, Fun. and Florence will all be able to go platinum by the end of the year! Adele looks like she'll go diamond sometime in September or October. I wonder how her album will fair in the holiday sales this year!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 19:02:27 GMT -5
It's like he's always in something. Even if he didn't start it he's always there. Never fails to take bait. He has to respond to everything.F.A.M.O.U.S., please take note of this quote. This is the thing that Chris fans almost never seem to realize...y'all do the same thing. Every single time. And that is why people keep bringing it up, b/c they know y'all will always be there to rush in and "prove" them right with your defenses. You didn't start it, but you got MAJORLY and obviously baited, and you bit hard. I really wish you hadn't done that b/c it's now derailed the thread. This conversation is beyond tired and irrelevant to the chart, and should cease because the person who started it clearly didn't bring it up with the intention of fostering worthwhile conversation.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jul 8, 2012 19:13:16 GMT -5
Well I guess they both have that in common; can't take responsibility & put the blame on others. You'll never gain any respect w/that mentality.
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Post by Rican@ on Jul 8, 2012 19:48:56 GMT -5
Um, this Rihanna incident happens when? If you are not fan of his then fine; however, it is total nonsense to continue on a discussion that doesn't have anything to do with the album sales. Chris Brown has a job of being a performer/singer and in reality should be judge based on those merits. His personal decisions or actions do not affect anyone on this board. While everyone has his or her theory of this incident, I would not be so quick to accept media coverage of an incident as facts. Yes, he can be immature but we all once fell in that category. Calling him a woman beater and blah blah is not necessary.
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Post by F.A.M.O.U.S. on Jul 8, 2012 20:02:09 GMT -5
^AGREED. What?? You realise that the "Drake Incident" was created BY Drake right.....HE was the one throwing bottle AT Chris. Chris was completely innocent in that situation and frankly I dont see how making a song about it is bad or immature AT ALL. He didnt retaliate against him physically,he just wrote about how much of a PUNK move that was in song. Are you really going to bash him over that??? Why not Drake? smh stuff like THIS is what Im talking about. Chris completely innocent?? What are you smoking. Chris is garbage and most people were happy he got his butt kicked. He is only a tough guy when it comes to fighting girls. As for the album, I doubt it will go gold. All his songs are euro-dance rejects and nothing is a stand out. LOL I doubt you even bothered to listen to the album if your really gonna say all the songs with are "euro dance rejects" when majority of the album is heavy R&B. On that note Ill end this little debate because that entire post says alot about the mindset most ppl have........just simple So with that Im done (foolish with a smile). I dont see how this is any diff than when ppl spend hours defending their fav artist when things are said about them except for that apparently most ppl would prefer Chris not to be defended at all + just strictly bashed but oh well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 23:29:42 GMT -5
^Just sent you a PM but just so you know defending Chris' music is not the issue, I just want people to stop talking about the Rihanna beating, his temper/behavior, etc. The only thing Chris is in the news for this week is for releasing an album so if we're gonna talk about Chris in here, then the music is what we should be talking about. It is annoying that that you even had to be put on the defensive for all that other stuff because as soon as you defend him for that then everyone else jumps in.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jul 9, 2012 10:59:01 GMT -5
ONE year ago: www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/archcht.cgi?cht455CHART DATE: 07/11/2011 1 1 BEYONCE COLUMBIA 111,464 -64% 4 2 2 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 79,068 -12% 21 4 3 SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE HOLLYWOOD 42,594 -45% WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN 6 4 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 42,110 -13% MY KINDA PARTY 9 5 BAD MEETS EVIL SHADY/INTERSCOPE 36,624 -10% HELL: THE SEQUEL 8 6 JACKIE EVANCHO COLUMBIA 35,048 -14% DREAM WITH ME 5 7 JILL SCOTT BLUES BABE/WARNER BROS. 32,071 -36% LIGHT OF THE SUN 10 8 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 30,905 -20% BORN THIS WAY -- 9 LLOYD INTERSCOPE 25,374 -- KING OF HEARTS 3 10 BIG SEAN DEF JAM/IDJ 24,974 -70% FINALLY FAMOUS: THE ALBUM
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Post by divasummer on Jul 9, 2012 13:03:06 GMT -5
Wow I feel like Ga Ga's BTW is way older than B's 4.
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Post by chartfreak on Jul 9, 2012 13:46:34 GMT -5
CHART DATE: 07/09/2012 LAST UPDATE: 07/09/2012 11:26:55 NOW IN: 54.98% LW TW artist / album label power index -- 1 CHRIS BROWN RCA 56,273 FORTUNE 24 2 KATY PERRY CAPITOL/EMI 46,415 TEENAGE DREAM 3 3 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJ 45,807 BELIEVE 26 4 GOTYE FAIRFAX/REPUBLIC 36,720 MAKING MIRRORS 19 5 FUN. FUELED BY RAMEN 31,671 SOME NIGHTS -- 6 BLACK KEYS NONESUCH 29,727 EL CAMINO -- 7 FLO RIDA ATLANTIC 27,449 WILD ONES 41 8 JASON MRAZ ATLANTIC 27,398 LOVE IS A FOUR LETTER WORD 6 9 KENNY CHESNEY BLUE CHAIR/COLUMBIA NASH 27,302 WELCOME TO THE FISHBOWL 1 10 LINKIN PARK WARNER BROS. 26,866 LIVING THINGS 2 11 MAROON 5 A&M/OCTONE 21,583 OVEREXPOSED 7 12 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 21,044 21 -- 13 FLORENCE & THE MACHINE HOLLYWOOD 20,750 CEREMONIALS 39 14 OF MONSTERS & MEN REPUBLIC 20,057 MY HEAD IS AN ANIMAL -- 15 REGINA SPEKTOR SIRE 17,293 WHAT WE SAW FROM THE CHEAP SEATS -- 16 ELLIE GOULDING INTERSCOPE 16,932 LIGHTS 35 17 LUMINEERS DUALTONE 16,884 LUMINEERS -- 18 PHILLIP PHILLIPS 19/INTERSCOPE 16,455 AMERICAN IDOL EP 9 19 USHER RCA 16,110 LOOKING 4 MYSELF 8 20 ONE DIRECTION SYCO/COLUMBIA 15,631 UP ALL NIGHT 44 21 B.O.B. GRAND HUSTLE/ATLANTIC 14,699 STRANGE CLOUDS 5 22 R. KELLY RCA 13,816 WRITE ME BACK 4 23 MMG PRESENTS: SELF MADE, VOL. 2 MAYBACH MUSIC GROUP 13,684 VARIOUS -- 24 WANTED MERCURY 13,553 WANTED -- 25 KIMBRA WARNER BROS. 12,500 VOWS -- 26 LANA DEL REY INTERSCOPE 12,322 BORN TO DIE 13 27 LUKE BRYAN CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 11,632 TAILGATES & TANLINES 16 28 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 42 CAPITOL/EMI 11,381 VARIOUS ARTISTS -- 29 EDENS EDGE BIG MACHINE 9,479 EDENS EDGE 18 30 ALAN JACKSON CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 9,450 THIRTY MILES WEST 48 31 DRAKE YM/CM/REPUBLIC 9,029 TAKE CARE 20 32 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 9,026 BLOWN AWAY 21 33 ERIC CHURCH CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 8,551 CHIEF 25 34 NOW COUNTRY 5 UME 8,436 VARIOUS ARTISTS 15 35 LET IT SHINE WALT DISNEY 7,640 SOUNDTRACK 10 36 ROCK OF AGES WATERTOWER MUSIC 6,351 SOUNDTRACK 28 37 NICKI MINAJ YM/CM/REPUBLIC 5,681 PINK FRIDAY... ROMAN RELOADED 36 38 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 4,931 MY KINDA PARTY 22 39 RUSH ROADRUNNER 4,398 CLOCKWORK ANGELS 50 40 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 4,242 19 -- 41 KIP MOORE MCA NASHVILLE 4,234 UP ALL NIGHT -- 42 BEACH HOUSE SUB POP 4,220 BLOOM -- 43 KELLY CLARKSON 19/RCA 4,192 STRONGER 32 44 JOSH TURNER MCA NASHVILLE 4,093 PUNCHING BAG -- 45 HILLSONG LIVE HILLSONG 3,890 CORNERSTONE 45 46 BRANTLEY GILBERT BIG MACHINE 3,836 HALFWAY TO HEAVEN -- 47 LEE BRICE CURB 3,726 HARD 2 LOVE 23 48 CHRIS CAGLE BIGGER PICTURE 3,529 BACK IN THE SADDLE 27 49 JOHN MAYER COLUMBIA 3,451 BORN AND RAISED -- 50 WISIN Y YANDEL MACHETE MUSIC 3,427
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Post by Envoirment on Jul 9, 2012 14:31:38 GMT -5
-- 16 ELLIE GOULDING INTERSCOPE 16,932 LIGHTS
Nice to see the album has increased a lot with the success of lights!
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Post by midnightprism on Jul 9, 2012 15:04:46 GMT -5
Adele might have finally been shoved out of the Top 10 by those discounted albums.
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