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Post by HolidayGuy on May 3, 2023 20:23:20 GMT -5
Pleasantly surprised, and glad, The Spinners is finally getting inducted. :)
And the Hall did for Chaka Khan what it did for Nile Rodgers. Chic and Rufus and/or solo Chaka Khan probably won't ever get nominated in the performer category.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 8, 2023 7:46:58 GMT -5
First of all, I ask that people consider what "Rock & Roll" means. The "roll" is a key component there. "Rock" is stereotypically white men with guitars, but "rock and roll" was truly integrated music that included doo wop, surf music, Motown, etc. Let's not leave out the "roll" (plus, rock music was borne out of rhythm and blues anyway!). As such, when people just say "Rock Hall" (as happens often in this thread), you are leaving out part of the equation. I know it's not intentional and is just a quicker way to write it, but considering the bias that has existed I feel like that makes it all the more important to include the "& Roll" part. It helps keep a great emphasis on this fact: Many R&B acts should be there.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 16, 2023 19:13:13 GMT -5
Jann Wenner has apparently been removed from the Board for this Hall of Fame Foundation after doing a racist interview with the NY Times where he said his book only features white men because women and Black artists aren't articulate/intellectual enough about music. Even though this removal is basically performative, good riddance!! We need to talk about how this man - who founded Rolling Stone - has helped shape how many people view "rock and roll." This gets back to exactly what I was talking about in the reply above this one. If the gatekeepers of these platforms that define "rock and roll" and "popular culture" for many engage in systemic racism, it of course extends out in all areas. Hopefully the enlightenment coming with all of this gets people to reconsider their view of "rock and roll" (i.e. it's not just white guys with guitars). Private Dancer cking33 #LisaRinna
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Post by colson on Sept 17, 2023 2:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by cking33 on Sept 20, 2023 19:20:36 GMT -5
Jann Wenner has apparently been removed from the Board for this Hall of Fame Foundation after doing a racist interview with the NY Times where he said his book only features white men because women and Black artists aren't articulate/intellectual enough about music. Even though this removal is basically performative, good riddance!! We need to talk about how this man - who founded Rolling Stone - has helped shape how many people view "rock and roll." This gets back to exactly what I was talking about in the reply above this one. If the gatekeepers of these platforms that define "rock and roll" and "popular culture" for many engage in systemic racism, it of course extends out in all areas. Hopefully the enlightenment coming with all of this gets people to reconsider their view of "rock and roll" (i.e. it's not just white guys with guitars). Private Dancer cking33 #LisaRinnaThis just laid everything out that was plain for anyone paying attention to see. I love how someone like Carole King wouldn’t be “articulate” enough for Mr. Wenner when Paul McCartney and John Lennon said they were each inspired by her 60s songwriting work, and Mick Jagger and Keith Richards learned a lot about how to write music by listening to Carole King demos from the 60s. JFC.
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Post by jdanton2 on Nov 4, 2023 0:09:51 GMT -5
hopefully New Edition get in sometime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2023 1:57:05 GMT -5
Can't believe Iron Maiden haven't been inducted yet!
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 23, 2023 18:02:17 GMT -5
Newly Eligible Artists for the Rock Hall in 2024futurerocklegends.com/Year/2024/These artists released their first recording in 1999, which makes them eligible for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2024: 50 Cent After Forever Annie Bad Meets Evil BBMak Biffy Clyro Black Label Society Blue Man Group Brad Paisley Buckcherry Calla The Caretaker Chevelle Chris Cornell CKY Clipse Dido The Distillers Elbow Eve Fantomas Feist Gogol Bordello Halestorm High on Fire Hot Hot Heat Ill Niño Ja Rule Jennifer Lopez Jessica Simpson John Mayer John Paul Jones Jordan Knight Josh Ritter Kelis Laura Veirs Le Tigre Lil Wayne Los Hermanos Ludacris M. Ward Macy Gray Mandy Moore Mates of State My Morning Jacket Neal Morse Phil Lesh and Friends Phoenix Pillar Plain White Ts Radio 4 Rilo Kiley Röyksopp Shaman's Harvest Sick Puppies Sisqó Sonata Arctica Splender Sufjan Stevens Tal Bachman Ted Leo & the Pharmacists Tegan & Sara Thursday Warhorse Watain Westlife
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 23, 2023 21:01:07 GMT -5
Omg Tegan and Sara. I gotta tell them!
Idt anyone there will be added to the conversation anytime soon.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 15, 2023 13:09:05 GMT -5
Cher said fuck the HoF:
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Post by balletgirlmom on Dec 15, 2023 22:40:08 GMT -5
The Biggest Rock Hall Snubs
There are many great artists who have been overlooked by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The vast majority of these artists have never been nominated for induction. Each year, the final ballot of performers is selected by the Rock Hall Nominating Committee, then sent to the larger Voting Committee for election.
Here are the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame's biggest snubs:
Artist Years Snubbed # of Years Nominated
A Tribe Called Quest 9 2
Afrika Bambaataa 18 1
Alice In Chains 8 0
Aphex Twin 7 0
The B-52's 20 0
Bad Brains 16 1
Bad Company 24 0
Barry White 35 0
Bauhaus 19 0
Beck 5 1
Belle & Sebastian 2 0
Big Star 26 0
Billy Idol 17 0
Björk 21 0
Black Flag 20 0
Blue Öyster Cult 26 0
Blur 8 0
Brian Eno 24 0
The Buzzcocks 21 0
Can 30 0
Captain Beefheart 32 0
The Carpenters 29 0
The Chemical Brothers 3 0
Cher 33 0
Chic 21 11
Coldplay 1 0
The Commodores 24 0
Connie Francis 40 0
Cyndi Lauper 15 1
Daft Punk 4 0
The Damned 22 0
Dave Matthews Band 5 1
De La Soul 10 0
The Dead Kennedys 19 0
Devo 21 3
Diana Ross 28 0
Dick Dale 36 0
Echo and the Bunnymen 19 0
Emerson, Lake & Palmer 28 0
Eric B. & Rakim 12 1
Faith No More 13 0
Fiona Apple 2 0
The Flaming Lips 14 0
Foreigner 21 0
Fugazi 10 0
Gloria Estefan 11 0
Gram Parsons 31 3
The Guess Who 33 0
Harry Nilsson 31 0
Hüsker Dü 17 0
Ice-T 16 0
INXS 18 0
Iron Maiden 19 2
The Jam 21 0
Jan & Dean 38 0
Jane's Addiction 11 1
The Jesus and Mary Chain 14 0
Jethro Tull 30 0
Jim Croce 32 0
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio 42 0
Joy Division/New Order 20 1
King Crimson 29 0
Kool & the Gang 29 0
Love 32 0
Mariah Carey 8 0
The Marvelettes 37 2
Mary J. Blige 6 1
Mary Wells 37 1
Massive Attack 10 0
MC5 32 6
Megadeth 13 0
The Monkees 32 0
Mötley Crüe 17 0
Motörhead 21 1
My Bloody Valentine 13 0
Nas 6 0
Neu! 26 0
New Order 17 0
New York Dolls 25 3
Nick Cave 14 0
Nick Drake 29 0
Oasis 4 0
The Offspring 10 0
Outkast 5 0
Ozzy Osbourne 18 0
Pantera 15 0
Pavement 9 0
Pet Shop Boys 14 0
Peter, Paul & Mary 36 0
Pixies 11 0
PJ Harvey 7 0
The Pointer Sisters 25 0
Procol Harum 31 1
Queen Latifah 9 0
Queens of the Stone Age 1 0
The Replacements 17 1
Roberta Flack 29 0
Rufus with Chaka Khan 25 4
The Runaways 22 0
Sade 14 0
Scott Walker 32 0
Silver Apples 30 0
Siouxsie & the Banshees 20 0
Slayer 15 0
Sleater-Kinney 4 0
Smashing Pumpkins 8 0
The Smiths 15 2
Sonic Youth 16 0
The Sonics 33 0
Soundgarden 12 2
Sparks 27 0
The Specials 19 0
Steppenwolf 30 1
Stone Roses 13 0
Stone Temple Pilots 6 0
Suicide 21 0
System of a Down 1 0
Television 23 0
Thin Lizzy 28 1
Three Dog Night 29 0
TLC 6 0
Tommy James & the Shondells 32 0
Tool 6 0
Toots & the Maytals 36 0
Tori Amos 7 0
War 27 3
Warren Zevon 29 1
Weezer 4 0
"Weird Al" Yankovic 19 0
The White Stripes 1 1
Wilco 4 0
Wire 21 0
Wu-Tang Clan 6 0
X 20 0
XTC 21 0
The artists listed above are currently eligible for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and were selected by Future Rock Legends commenters on the Rock Hall Revisited and the Rock Hall Projected pages.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 9, 2024 15:50:07 GMT -5
The 2024 nominees will be announced tomorrow. Future Rock Legends has made its predictions, with 18 names (reports indicate 15 will be on the final list). We shall see. futurerocklegends.com/2024_Nomination_Predictions/Artists never nominated: Cher Coldplay Fiona Apple Lil Wayne (first-year eligible) Garth Brooks Lenny Kravitz Weezer OutKast Tool Arists previously nominated: Cyndi Lauper Warren Zevon Iron Maiden Soundgarden Mary J. Blige Dionne Warwick Joy Division/New Order The White Stripes Chic* * Probably won't make the ballot, but may be included in one of the side categories. Nile Rodgers didn't perform at his induction in 2017, so there's still an opportunity to correct this mistake by properly honoring Chic at an induction ceremony.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 10, 2024 11:44:02 GMT -5
Some great nominees! hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=339693&title=ROCK-HALL-REVEALS-2024-NOMINEES-So without further ado, here are this year's nominees: Mary J. Blige Mariah Carey Cher Dave Matthews Band Eric B. & Rakim Foreigner Peter Frampton, Jane's Addiction Kool & the Gang Lenny Kravitz Oasis Sinéad O'Connor Ozzy Osbourne Sade A Tribe Called Quest Ten of the 15 nominees are on the ballot for the first time: Carey, Cher, Foreigner, Frampton, Kool & the Gang, Kravitz, Oasis, O’Connor, Osbourne and Sade. Inductees will be announced in late April, while the induction ceremony will take place in Cleveland this fall.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 10, 2024 11:57:17 GMT -5
FRL only had three- Cher, Lenny Kravitz and Mary J. Blige - on its predictions list.
No first-year-eligible nominees. Ten first-time nominees (the first 10 listed); four second-time nominees; and one third-time (Tribe Called Quest). Year first eligible in parentheses.
Cher (1991) Foreigner (2003) Peter Frampton (1998) Lenny Kravitz (2015) Kool & the Gang (1995) Mariah Carey (2016) Oasis (2020) Sinead O'Connor (2013) Ozzy Osbourne (2006) Sade (2010) Mary J. Blige (2018) Dave Matthews Band (2019) Eric B. & Rakim (2012) Jane's Addiction (2013) A Tribe Called Quest (2015)
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Post by nickangel on Feb 10, 2024 14:17:59 GMT -5
Already rooting for Mariah!
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 10, 2024 14:59:34 GMT -5
It's interesting Mariah and Lenny are in there after just receiving those Global Impact awards from the Grammys. Mariah and Cher are easily the most influential artists among this group, which doesn't mean they will get in. Oasis and Peter Frampton seem like filler nominees to me (both essentially had 1 big album), but that doesn't mean they won't get in. :ETA: SPRΞΞ I literally was looking up the voting stuff to post and then saw your reply. Apparently a committee of "roughly 24 people" selects the nominees. Ballots are then sent to more than 900 historians (well I've seen articles say anywhere from 500 to 1000), members of the music industry and artists--including every living Rock Hall inductee--and the performers receiving the most votes become that year's induction class. Anywhere from 5-7 of the nominees can get into the HoF (the past 2 years it was 7, the year before it was 6). Apparently the nominees have to appear on a certain % of ballots to get in, which is why it isn't a set number of inductees. I guess that committee is the reason people can be nominated a lot and never get in; the committee may have a different mindset than the voting body.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 10, 2024 17:14:12 GMT -5
I don't understand how it all works. It's like "ok here's your list for this year!" How is it decided, and how are the winners decided, and can they all get in or none get in? lol. It's not very transparent. You would think anyone mainstream popular would get nominated at first eligibility. Not sure what the hold-up is for some.
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Post by beyoncelover on Feb 10, 2024 18:00:24 GMT -5
A pretty good list of nominees. Rooting for Mary J. Blige, Mariah Carey, Cher, Eric B. & Rakim, Kool & the Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Sinéad O'Connor, Sade and A Tribe Called Quest to get inducted this year!
To narrow that down more, my top favorites that I really want to see get inducted would be (in order): Mariah, Mary J., Lenny and Cher!
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 10, 2024 18:28:15 GMT -5
It's interesting Mariah and Lenny are in there after just receiving those Global Impact awards from the Grammys. Mariah and Cher are easily the most influential artists among this group, which doesn't mean they will get in. Oasis and Peter Frampton seem like filler nominees to me (both essentially had 1 big album), but that doesn't mean they won't get in. :ETA: SPRΞΞ I literally was looking up the voting stuff to post and then saw your reply. Apparently a committee of "roughly 24 people" selects the nominees. Ballots are then sent to more than 900 historians (well I've seen articles say anywhere from 500 to 1000), members of the music industry and artists--including every living Rock Hall inductee--and the performers receiving the most votes become that year's induction class. Anywhere from 5-7 of the nominees can get into the HoF (the past 2 years it was 7, the year before it was 6). Apparently the nominees have to appear on a certain % of ballots to get in, which is why it isn't a set number of inductees. I guess that committee is the reason people can be nominated a lot and never get in; the committee may have a different mindset than the voting body. I am a huge Howard Stern stan, and I was listening to an old show a few weeks back about this event and Howard is apparently one of the people who gets to vote. Not the 24, but in the 500-1000 group. He said the ballot itself is like a book, lol. It's very overwhelming from what he said. It's interesting, just not very transparent at all.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 11, 2024 7:39:42 GMT -5
That's a great list of nominees overall. Rooting for Lenny, Cher, Mariah, Sade and Mary.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2024 8:02:27 GMT -5
Since Cher said not too long ago she wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame if they paid her, I can't wait to see what happens. Is she going to decline this nomination? Dolly Parton essentially tried to pass on hers for a different reason, but got inducted anyway. If Cher is chosen as an inductee, I guess she's a no show?
Anyway this is taken directly from the Hall of Fame site as to what criteria should be considered:
If voters actually use that criteria, then Peter Frampton, Oasis, Jane's Addiction, and maybe Sinead O'Connor should be ruled out. I don't see them as overly influential (not to the degree of the others), and in terms of the impact on music they were 2 album wonders at most. If you really think of influence on others and length and a body of work, no one in this group comes close to Mariah and Cher.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 12, 2024 2:00:05 GMT -5
I can't believe The Carpenters have been snubbed for so many years. I'd take Karen's voice over any big diva voice. It's a shame. And so many classics they had.
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Post by balletgirlmom on Feb 12, 2024 7:48:13 GMT -5
I agree about the Carpenters. Karen's voice is flawless, so beautiful.
As far as Cher, her first solo recordings were released in 1964. With Sonny Bono, their first recordings were released in 1963.
Cher's first hit was not until 1965 as a solo, All I Really Want to Do. Sonny & Cher hit #1 with I Got You Babe in 1965.
Jann Wenner did not like her for personal reasons, and everyone knew Cher would not be nominated or inducted while Jann Wenner was in charge. I guess Cher wins here, since the minute Jann Wenner is not at the helm, she gets nominated. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should never have been as it has been. So male biased. Glad Jann Wenner is gone.
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Post by 🇯🇲 lucy88 🇯🇲 on Feb 12, 2024 23:03:51 GMT -5
Gotta start voting more. I'm rooting for rooting for Mary J., Mariah, Sade, Cher, Lenny, Kool & The Gang, and Eric B. & Rakim.
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Post by Night Senses on Feb 13, 2024 0:09:45 GMT -5
As much as I’d like to see Mariah, Mary and Sade inducted, I think it’s more than likely it’ll only be one of them. They’re not inducting all three for reasons that don’t need to be explained. Whoever takes the L will get in eventually. It took my girl nearly a decade to get her first nomination, and she wasn’t in until her second one. So patience is definitely a virtue.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 13, 2024 1:17:53 GMT -5
I agree about the Carpenters. Karen's voice is flawless, so beautiful. I often think about what would've happened to her if she survived anorexia. She's basically Cher's age, so Karen could've easily developed a huge gay fanbase with that voice. Think of all her potential 80's hits that could've been.
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Post by colson on Feb 13, 2024 5:05:47 GMT -5
As much as I’d like to see Mariah, Mary and Sade inducted, I think it’s more than likely it’ll only be one of them. They’re not inducting all three for reasons that don’t need to be explained. Whoever takes the L will get in eventually. It took my girl nearly a decade to get her first nomination, and she wasn’t in until her second one. So patience is definitely a virtue. I agree and the advantage goes to Mary because she's already been nominated. Would Sade be inducted as a group or solo for Sade Adu?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 13, 2024 9:18:38 GMT -5
For those interested in the fan vote- 500,000-plus votes have been cast thus far. Classic rockers (and DMB) are top 4, with Cher not far behind DMB in fifth. Lenny K and Mimi C. follow at 6 and 7.
Three females were inducted last year as performers, so it's possible that happens again. The year prior, four female-driven acts were inducted. So, there has been progress in that department.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 13, 2024 9:22:30 GMT -5
As much as I’d like to see Mariah, Mary and Sade inducted, I think it’s more than likely it’ll only be one of them. They’re not inducting all three for reasons that don’t need to be explained. Whoever takes the L will get in eventually. It took my girl nearly a decade to get her first nomination, and she wasn’t in until her second one. So patience is definitely a virtue. I'm trying to decide if the way they do voting (block voting) helps or hurts, and I think it helps? It isn't really an either/or situation because they aren't voting for just 1 person or even ranking the nominees. My guess is a lot of the people who think Mary J merits inclusion also think Mariah (and maybe Sade but they have their own vibe) too, so they would probably list all of them. I think it's probably the best form of voting out there, really, but maybe someone knows the negative part of it that I don't know.
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Post by Night Senses on Feb 13, 2024 9:29:38 GMT -5
As much as I’d like to see Mariah, Mary and Sade inducted, I think it’s more than likely it’ll only be one of them. They’re not inducting all three for reasons that don’t need to be explained. Whoever takes the L will get in eventually. It took my girl nearly a decade to get her first nomination, and she wasn’t in until her second one. So patience is definitely a virtue. I agree and the advantage goes to Mary because she's already been nominated. Would Sade be inducted as a group or solo for Sade Adu? Agreed on Mary, especially after her first nomination last year. The Queen of Hip-Hop Soul moniker and her contributions to fusing those genres will be at play. Her music has just enough edge and acclaim to push her over the edge. I just hope the Diddy association doesn’t work against her because he’s had a big impact on her career and you can’t just gloss it over. I am iffy on Mariah only because when you think of the big mainstream vocalists who have the hits and numbers, they just aren’t there. Whitney had to pass away and get a new lease on her reputation to be considered. But unlike Whitney, Mariah is a songstress, who writes her own material and has an everlasting hit that will remain relevant for generations after she’s gone, so why not give her the flowers now while she can still smell them? It’s between MJB and MC. But the people do love Sade and their records have stood the test of time. There’s also that front woman face of a band aspect that separates Adu and her band from the aforementioned, that would make them more palatable to the voters, to not shake the table too much. Jann Wenner being gone doesn’t mean there’s not still a trickle down effect from his misogyny and racism. Sade, I think as a band. Though, Chaka/Rufus was confusing after awhile because they kept switching back and forth between the band and Chaka. In this case, I do think it would be Sade the band, as Sade Adu has not released any notable solo recordings under her name to my knowledge, unlike Chaka.
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