WhySoSerious?
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Jul 30, 2004 10:28:46 GMT -5
LOL, I already posted that upthread.
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Post by KMCB on Jul 30, 2004 10:31:55 GMT -5
Sorry! ;)
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Post by someguy on Jul 31, 2004 22:33:36 GMT -5
I've also voted for HGTFM. As much as I love "My Sister", I don't think it should be next. Same goes for "Sky Full Of Angels". "Secret" is one of my least favorites on the album and I'm surprised to see it getting so much support as the next single. I hope it's "He Gets That From Me:.
Too bad she's falling, but I think most people saw it coming after she get her #1. Still, congrats to Reba & MCA for a job well done.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 1, 2004 11:04:04 GMT -5
In addition to being ranked #10 on the all-time list of Top 10 hits, Reba also moves to #10 on the all-time list of #1 hits. She is tied with Alan Jackson.
1. Conway Twitty: 40 2. Merle Haggard: 38 3. George Strait: 37 4. Ronnie Milsap: 35 5. Alabama: 32 6. Charley Pride: 29 7. Eddy Arnold: 28 8. Dolly Parton: 24 9. Sonny James: 23 10. Reba McEntire: 22 10. Alan Jackson: 22
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Post by smack on Aug 1, 2004 12:01:43 GMT -5
George Strait has 38 now. Since Whitburn's book came out, he had 36, plus Living and living well and She'll leave you with a smile go to #1. Smack In addition to being ranked #10 on the all-time list of Top 10 hits, Reba also moves to #10 on the all-time list of #1 hits. She is tied with Alan Jackson. 1. Conway Twitty: 40 2. Merle Haggard: 38 3. George Strait: 37 4. Ronnie Milsap: 35 5. Alabama: 32 6. Charley Pride: 29 7. Eddy Arnold: 28 8. Dolly Parton: 24 9. Sonny James: 23 10. Reba McEntire: 22 10. Alan Jackson: 22
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Post by Matt4319 on Aug 1, 2004 18:31:41 GMT -5
Somebody will probably be -1000 by this time next week unless MCA trys this again this week Bump. -1004.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 1, 2004 18:36:31 GMT -5
I thought I was going to see you saying you liked this song too. MCA needs to hurry up and decide on their single. It's time to bring it on. Hopefully it'll go for adds sometime this month.
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Post by someguy on Aug 2, 2004 9:26:27 GMT -5
Wow, -1545 this morning. Time to bring on HGTFM.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 2, 2004 11:07:33 GMT -5
-1832!
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 2, 2004 11:41:42 GMT -5
Where do you see -1832? Mine's still at -1545.
Obviously MCA quit pushing this one completely.
Not that I can blame them, they got it number one and it's been around for over 7 months.
RateTheMusic has "Somebody" listed as the #1 testing song among people aged 25-54. It skews older and to the female demo.
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Post by Matt4319 on Aug 2, 2004 12:07:01 GMT -5
Here. (Sorry, I still haven't heard this yet. ;))
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 2, 2004 12:08:46 GMT -5
Here. (Sorry, I still haven't heard this yet. ;)) The link I was using replaced the C1M above with C1R. What's the difference? Edit: That link has a far larger panel with Tim McGraw's spins at #1 being over 7000 while on the other chart he's at 5417.
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Post by Perp on Aug 2, 2004 16:49:04 GMT -5
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Post by drock89 on Aug 2, 2004 19:04:15 GMT -5
Is the c1m the panel Billboard uses?
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 2, 2004 19:04:56 GMT -5
Is the c1m the panel Billboard uses? No. Billboard uses BDS, this is still Mediabase.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 2, 2004 19:06:50 GMT -5
Oh, well then have we figured out the difference in panels?
Edit: When you change the c1r to c1m it puts the panel in order according to spins instead of the formula.
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Post by Perp on Aug 2, 2004 20:13:00 GMT -5
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Post by someguy on Aug 3, 2004 13:48:58 GMT -5
The new single's been chosen, though it hasn't yet been announced. Hopefully we'll find out this week.
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Post by Perp on Aug 3, 2004 14:15:46 GMT -5
Someone over at the Women of Country messageboard posted this in a Reba topic. I don't know where the original article came from...
Face The Music David M. Ross
Most record execs agree that SoundScan is the chart-of-choice when it comes to profits, but Music City also has a long history of celebrating airplay success. Billboard Monitor’s country chart for the week ending July 25 presented Reba as No. 1 with an unusually large gain of 1150 spins—only the fourth time since 1993 that a song has moved to No. 1 with greater than 1,000 spins and not the first time that a No. 1 song didn’t have the highest audience on the chart. “Reba McEntire legitimately got a number one record this week, says Billboard Country Chart Director Wade Jessen. “Our job is to show that it happened and in cases where it is unusual, to show how it happened. It’s not our job to invalidate or cast aspersions against it, just open a dialog about what this means for country music and radio as we all concentrate on reclaiming the fiscal health of our business. We stake our reputation on the truth, even when it hurts.”
“I couldn’t be more proud of the job done by the MCA promotion department,” says Promotion head Scott Borchetta. “The plan was created in Las Vegas during the ACMs at my first meeting with the department after being appointed Senior VP over DreamWorks, Mercury and MCA. I said ‘This Reba record is a hit and I think we have a shot at a No. 1 record.’ One rep later told me, ‘I walked out pumped, but I also had butterflies in my stomach.’ But everyone took it to heart, rose to the challenge and contributed to an amazing plan executed to near perfection.”
Some observers believe that UMG/MCA spent extremely high dollars to effect the move. “Spin programs were bought with After Midnite, Citadel and Entercom,” says Borchetta, “but you do not generate 1150 spins across those programs alone. You wouldn’t believe some of the silly numbers being tossed around. A lot of labels are whining that we paid upwards of a $100,000. Couldn’t be further from the truth. Did we do several programs? Yes, but for only a fraction of that cost. Don't forget 'Somebody' is Rusty Walker's No. 1 testing single and Top 5 in callout basically everywhere. Power rotations are not bought, they are earned.”
So how did MCA accomplish its mission? “What I can tell you,” says Borchetta, “is that most every record that has hit No. 1 in the last two years had at least some kind of syndication whether it was an After Midnite promotion or one of the other programs out there. We worked nonstop to identify all the available opportunities and collected the most complete list in the business. We scored huge increases in markets of every size and directed our efforts at every reporting station on the panel. It was a thrill to watch. I’m not going to reveal everything we worked so hard to obtain, but the fact that everybody in town is talking about it is good. This puts the overnight spin discussion front and center, and it needs to be addressed."
“Remember, radio is in the business to sell advertising,” Borchetta says. “I’m trusted by the people who hired me to make proper and legal decisions, to maximize profits, and to have hit records. If anybody thinks we are going to spend the kind of money that people have speculated, just to move a song to number one they are out of their minds. There isn’t a more powerful artist in country music than Reba McEntire. Reba worked hard with us for the last several weeks to create exclusive content for several of the radio chains and logged over 70 calls to reporting radio stations. Are we going to do this every week? No. This was one of those moments in time—Reba McEntire gets to win, it’s the buzz of the town and it is the coolest thing we could have done.”
For Billboard’s country chart, last week’s business as unusual pointed out what many are calling a flaw in the system. But it also upped the ante on a game that everyone plays. “That’s probably a fair assessment,” admits Jessen. “If this type of thing escalates, the town can anticipate that we will consider a move from a spin-based chart to an audience-based system. It may not be a matter of if, just when. The Tim McGraw record actually logged two million more audience impressions, but the opportunities that were maximized to reach No. 1 were totally directed at our chart methodology. So yes, it begs the question of a counter move on our part. However, a midyear switch in methodology has a lot of implications for year-end chart recaps. We don’t like to make major changes in the middle of a year.”
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Post by drock89 on Aug 3, 2004 14:18:57 GMT -5
What is the Women of Country Music board?
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 3, 2004 14:25:12 GMT -5
Very informative article. It is ridiculous that people are getting all up in arms because this song got a last minute push to #1. Every #1 song benefits from the same type of tactics used by MCA. And as the article stated, there is no way they purchased 1000 spins. After all, the song had been near the top of the greatest gainers for several weeks prior to this push. MCA saw an opportunity and they made the best of it. This song was already a smash, as the call out research indicates.
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Post by Perp on Aug 3, 2004 14:34:07 GMT -5
What is the Women of Country Music board? It's been through several iterations on various hosts, losing all previous posts (hundreds, if not thousands of them) each time, but here's the most recent iteration: www.womenofcountry.com/forums/index.php?act=idxIt was last reset from scratch just a few weeks ago, so the registered population is rebuilding again.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 3, 2004 14:34:39 GMT -5
Reba has added a press conference to her celebration #1 party scheduled for tomorrow evening in Nashville.
Bet she announces the new single
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Post by chebingeo on Aug 4, 2004 1:07:49 GMT -5
Sheesh, this song is crashing now! I haven't seen this much of a drop since Travelin' Soldier!
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Post by musicmuse on Aug 4, 2004 16:27:07 GMT -5
One of the more blatant examples of country radio payola in recent years... After 30 chart weeks, to suddenly jump 1100-plus plays and over 5-10 songs ahead of it at too many corporatedly owned radio stations was not due to musical merit of the song, but a blatent example of what's wrong with commercial radio, labels (and egos). The claim that every #1 benefits from such tactics is absurd, and simply false. It's a matter of degree, and this was excessive pay-for-play for massive overnight spins, not based on audience demand or feedback. This was a Top 5 single -- not a #1. They targeted the obvious "loophole" in Billboard's weak methodology, and Billboard admits abuses need to be addressed.
Borchetta spearheaded radio promo for Reba's hits at MCA over a decade ago, back when she still had them and the label was at its peak. The radio #1 may be nice for Reba and press releases, chart trivia, or to mask other failures, but what's the point? The excessive hype and money spent on one respected veteran artist and one unproven newcomer in just the past few months far exceeds the entire promotional and marketing budget for most other albums. Problem is none of these favored "paid for" acts sell albums. This label is devoting disproportionate resources on artists that continue to lose money with every album (and single) released.
Just like radio is in business to sell advertising, labels are in business to sell music -- that's why marketing, sales, and promo staffs are supposed to know what the other is doing and have joint accountability to the bottom line of the business. Good for Reba, but bad for other equally or more deserving artists who really keep that label in business. This one was an embarrassment.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 4, 2004 16:38:45 GMT -5
Well there's no way of knowing how much they spent. Borchetta said in the article that people are throwing ridiculous numbers around.
Surely, you're not saying that similar tactics have not been used for other songs? Buying promotional packages on these syndicated shows is common practice. And as I stated above there is absolutely no way they paid for 1000 spins. Absolutely no way. The song was picking up speed before this final push.
Obviously he's refering to posters such as yourself when he said people are out of their minds if they think he would spend exorbitant amounts of money simply to push a song to #1.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Aug 5, 2004 11:47:45 GMT -5
This is a very mediocre song at best. To jump over Tim Mcgraw and Kenny Chesney who are at their peak is crazy. If I'm Gonna Take that Mountain didn't do any better than it did this song shouldn't have made it to number 1. If Mark Wills would have released this as a single off of his album when he had the chance it would have maybe been a top 15 record. I don't know exactly how payola works, it may be just pay for the spin, but if you watch the track of this song it is obvious that something happened. If it was a TRUE number one the spins wouldn't be falling as much as they are.
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Post by drock89 on Aug 5, 2004 14:18:31 GMT -5
New Single will be "He Gets That From Me".[/size]
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Post by musicfan_84 on Aug 5, 2004 14:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by musicfan_84 on Aug 5, 2004 14:41:02 GMT -5
This is a very mediocre song at best. To jump over Tim Mcgraw and Kenny Chesney who are at their peak is crazy. If I'm Gonna Take that Mountain didn't do any better than it did this song shouldn't have made it to number 1. If Mark Wills would have released this as a single off of his album when he had the chance it would have maybe been a top 15 record. I don't know exactly how payola works, it may be just pay for the spin, but if you watch the track of this song it is obvious that something happened. If it was a TRUE number one the spins wouldn't be falling as much as they are. While I do agree that some money was involved, you have to give credit to Reba for doing dozens of radio interviews during that final push week. She called many stations in many markets doing interviews. I honestly do believe that it played a role in the song jumping. Because when an artist visits a station or does interviews, it creates that personal connection to that station, and PDs and MDs are more likely to play them more.
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