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Post by nivekwriter1 on Feb 21, 2013 14:17:50 GMT -5
THURSDAY'S UPDATE:
TOP 20:
1. TAYLOR SWIFT - I Knew You Were Trouble: 194.562 (- 0.648)
2. BRUNO MARS - Locked Out Of Heaven: 165.628 (- 0.829)
3. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 161.125 (+ 1.549)
4. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA - Don't Worry Child: 161.026 (+ 0.001)
5. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS - Scream And Shout: 141.923 (+ 0.633)
6. LUMINEERS - Ho Hey: 134.852 (- 1.087)
7. MAROON 5 - Daylight: 123.831 (+ 1.706)
8. PINK - Try: 115.037 (- 0.838)
9. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE - Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 104.810 (+ 0.479)
10. CALVIN HARRIS - Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 101.545 (+ 0.788)
11. JUSTIN BIEBER - Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 95.748 (- 0.683)
12. KELLY CLARKSON - Catch My Breath: 95.238 (+ 0.088)
13. ALICIA KEYS - Girl On Fire: 84.401 (- 1.580)
14. BRUNO MARS - When I Was Your Man: 80.953 (+ 2.816)
15. IMAGINE DRAGONS - It's Time: 80.197 (+ 0.829)
16. MAROON 5 - One More Night: 78.075 (- 0.354)
17. A$AP ROCKY - F**kin Problems f/Drake: 74.001 (+ 0.464)
18. RIHANNA - Pour It Up: 73.430 (+ 1.223)
19. MUMFORD & SONS - I Will Wait: 70.556 (+ 0.290)
20. PHILLIP PHILLIPS - Home: 69.119 (- 0.295)
OTHERS:
KE$HA - C'mon: 68.488 (- 0.209)
TIM MCGRAW - One Of Those Nights: 66.815 (+ 0.321)
THE BAND PERRY - Better Dig Two: 65.115 (- 0.800)
OF MONSTERS AND MEN - Little Talks: 62.556 (+ 0.028)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Two Black Cadillacs: 53.111 (+ 0.762)
BLAKE SHELTON - Sure Be Cool If You Did: 48.380 (+ 0.898)
PITBULL - Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 45.959 (+ 1.781)
FUN. - Carry On: 37.182 (+ 1.024)
OLLY MURS - Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 37.029 (+ 0.071)
LADY ANTEBELLUM - Downtown: 36.626 (+ 0.694)
RIHANNA - Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 36.474 (+ 1.344)
DRAKE - Started From The Bottom: 31.917 (+ 1.491)
MUSE - Madness: 29.811 (- 0.252)
ONE DIRECTION - Kiss You: 22.236 (+ 0.417)
KREWELLA - Alive: 19.439 (+ 1.111)
ALICIA KEYS - Brand New Me: 17.889
FALL OUT BOY - My Songs Know What You Didβ¦: 15.023 (+ 0.944)
LUMINEERS - Stubborn Love: 8.858 (+ 0.044)
PINK - Just Give Me A Reason: 5.717 (+ 0.782)
CHER LLOYD - With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 5.349 (+ 0.260)
JUSTIN BIEBER - Right Here f/Drake: 5.204
PHILLIP PHILLIPS - Gone, Gone, Gone: 3.694 (+ 0.046)
CARLY RAE JEPSEn - Tonight I'm Getting Over You: 0.590
MARIAH CAREY - Almost Home: 0.147 (+ 0.079)
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 21, 2013 15:24:15 GMT -5
"Harlem Shake" will be #1.
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Post by jebsib on Feb 21, 2013 15:25:58 GMT -5
Yeah, its almost like radio updates are suddenly so marginal!
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Post by nivekwriter1 on Feb 21, 2013 15:56:28 GMT -5
"Harlem Shake" will be #1. Yes, there's no doubt about that. :( I posted a list that shows how the top 10 of the first week of 2006 would have been if Billboard included Youtube when it came online. I posted it in your thread 'YouTube and the Hot 100: How it would have looked'. I'II post all the weeks till the ones from 2013 in your thread. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Feb 21, 2013 15:59:26 GMT -5
Yeah, its almost like radio updates are suddenly so marginal! Forget airplay updates and digital sales. It's kind of sad. I always like looking at airplay updates in the morning to start my day, but after yesterday.... |
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Post by lugus15 on Feb 21, 2013 16:29:01 GMT -5
People really just need to stop being so dramatic. This week's HS 103 million streaming is a very rare occurrence.
GS had at it's peak like 30 million. When the HS fade dies down, then we will have a very dynamic Hot100, with everyone's faves having the chance to top it.
I personally like it, A LOT!!!
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 21, 2013 16:31:28 GMT -5
People really just need to stop being so dramatic. This week's HS 103 million streaming is a very rare occurrence. Is it, though? How do we know that more things like this won't happen from now on because of the rule change? Not to mention, we just had three huge viral hits so close to each other. Harlem, Gangnam, and Maybe. It's kind of becoming a norm now. |
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Post by popbox on Feb 21, 2013 17:02:46 GMT -5
^Don't forget Thrift Shop. Billboard needed to make a viral hit chart, and relegate streaming and youtube views to that chart. Keep it out of the Hot 100. Or if it's gonna be there, it needs to be a much smaller percentage of that chart. Now we'll have tons of fluke #1's that no one will remember in 2 months, let alone years, while meanwhile the real hits are blocked from the top.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 21, 2013 18:09:12 GMT -5
The Hot 100 measures things on a weekly basis. If a song is huge for one week and then is forgotten about in a year from now, that has nothing to do with the purpose of a weekly chart.
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Post by popbox on Feb 21, 2013 18:26:29 GMT -5
The Hot 100 measures things on a weekly basis. If a song is huge for one week and then is forgotten about in a year from now, that has nothing to do with the purpose of a weekly chart. A song's hot 100 performance is about its cumulative run, not just one week. So while it may be a weekly chart, it's silly to say that it doesn't measure cumulative song popularity. And it's not fair that huge airplay and sales hits might be permanently blocked by spur of the moment memes and internet sensations. That should be a separate thing, because it IS a separate thing. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 21, 2013 18:55:51 GMT -5
^Don't forget Thrift Shop. Billboard needed to make a viral hit chart, and relegate streaming and youtube views to that chart. Keep it out of the Hot 100. Or if it's gonna be there, it needs to be a much smaller percentage of that chart. Now we'll have tons of fluke #1's that no one will remember in 2 months, let alone years, while meanwhile the real hits are blocked from the top. real hits....established by PD's who are in total control of what you listen to? Those? |
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Feb 21, 2013 19:05:33 GMT -5
Well with the new formula I won't even bother trying to guess the top 10, or even the top 3! More and more I find myself looking at the Itunes pop bars to try and judge the most popular song in the US.
This week it looks like it is shaping to be a very close race between "Thrift Shop" and "Harlem Shake" with "When I Was Your Man", and "Stay" a distant third and fourth.
If "Harlem Shake" youtube streaming drops to more typical levels, then "Thrift Shop" could very well bounce back into the #1 position.
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Post by brucelover on Feb 21, 2013 19:12:25 GMT -5
^Don't forget Thrift Shop. Billboard needed to make a viral hit chart, and relegate streaming and youtube views to that chart. Keep it out of the Hot 100. Or if it's gonna be there, it needs to be a much smaller percentage of that chart. Now we'll have tons of fluke #1's that no one will remember in 2 months, let alone years, while meanwhile the real hits are blocked from the top. But the "fluke songs" are usually the ones that are most remembered because they become pop culture phenomenons. Nobody remembers so many "real hits" that had big airplay because audiences just passively consumed whatever they were force fed by radio. Thrift Shop, Gangnam Style, Call Me Maybe, Harlem Shake are real hits with HUGE cultural impact and their chart positions should reflect that. Just because something is popular on YouTube doesn't mean it's not a valid success, and all those songs have been huge in sales as well which also reflects what the public wants and is willing to pay for (yes, even "Harlem Shake", it's still #1 on iTunes). I'm sick of people complaining that "viral hits shouldn't be included" when the ONLY viral hit with no airplay that has smashed is also the best-selling song in the country. It's clearly not a YouTube-only wonder and even if it was, the Hot 100 should represent what is most popular music-wise in the country and if it happens to be a stupid viral hit then SO BE IT, that's what is most popular at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 19:12:57 GMT -5
Could anyone do some calculations for how low HS streaming data has to be for Thrift Shop to get back on top?
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Post by brucelover on Feb 21, 2013 19:15:09 GMT -5
Radio is losing relevance because more and more people turn to the internet and services like YouTube to listen to music, it's become part of music-consuming culture (and DOES produce revenue, UNLIKE radio) so it absolutely should be included. If you don't like "Harlem Shake" being at #1 then tough luck, it was far and away the most popular, relevant song in America during the past week and it's #1 position is abso-fucking-lutely deserved. Much more than some payola-fueled "hits" that nobody really likes like P!nk's singles that struggle to sell well until RCA dishes out the payola to get high airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 20:17:47 GMT -5
FUN. - Carry On: 37.182 (+ 1.024)
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Post by kml567 on Feb 21, 2013 21:33:49 GMT -5
Could anyone do some calculations for how low HS streaming data has to be for Thrift Shop to get back on top? By my quick math, "Harlem" needs to be lower than 17-20 million streams for Thrift Shop to be back on top. I don't see it going down from 103 million to 17 million anytime soon.... |
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Post by kml567 on Feb 21, 2013 21:35:51 GMT -5
What's interesting is 1D's "One Way Or Another" getting roughly 20+ million youtube views this week.
That alone will be enough for #2 on Hot 100 ahead of "Thrift Shop".
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Post by josh on Feb 21, 2013 21:43:33 GMT -5
Remember, most of those views will likely be from outside the US.
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Post by mcsteamy on Feb 21, 2013 21:44:39 GMT -5
"Harlem Shake" will be #1. OMG stop, you're acting as if this rule change affects your life in a serious way. |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Feb 21, 2013 21:44:52 GMT -5
Remember, most of those views will likely be from outside the US. But do they even track that? |
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Post by josh on Feb 21, 2013 21:46:35 GMT -5
Yeah. Bill Werde or whatever confirmed they use only US views.
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Post by Envoirment on Feb 21, 2013 22:04:30 GMT -5
Remember, most of those views will likely be from outside the US. But do they even track that? Youtube does. Hence why you can split a video into which regions it's most popular in via the statistics. |
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 21, 2013 22:09:50 GMT -5
"Harlem Shake" will be #1. OMG stop, you're acting as if this rule change affects your life in a serious way. Wow. Where did that come from? I was just stating a fact. |
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Post by bigb0882 on Feb 21, 2013 22:22:07 GMT -5
Justin Bieber must be creaming his pants right now. He is going to have more #1s than Elvis by the end of this decade.
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Post by bigb0882 on Feb 21, 2013 22:25:58 GMT -5
posted it in your thread 'YouTube and the Hot 100: How it would have looked'. I'II post all the weeks till the ones from 2013 in your thread. Where is that thread? I can't find it! |
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Post by Lozzy on Feb 21, 2013 22:28:55 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 21, 2013 22:55:55 GMT -5
The Hot 100 measures things on a weekly basis. If a song is huge for one week and then is forgotten about in a year from now, that has nothing to do with the purpose of a weekly chart. A song's hot 100 performance is about its cumulative run, not just one week. So while it may be a weekly chart, it's silly to say that it doesn't measure cumulative song popularity. And it's not fair that huge airplay and sales hits might be permanently blocked by spur of the moment memes and internet sensations. That should be a separate thing, because it IS a separate thing. The Hot 100 is a series of individual charts that each represent a specific time period. Together, they present a song's overall performance but individually, they represent individual weeks. If a song comes out of nowhere for one of those weeks, it's because that song had a very short chart life. You want cumulative measurements? Yearend charts and other special charts measure those. Think of it like nearly any other test or measurement. If you work at a store and count the cash every single night, you're counting the money made for that period of one day, not for a series of days leading up to it. Day after day, you start noticing trends on money made by the store. You use these trends in ways like chart watchers use the Hot 100 trends. But each day's cash sheet still measures that one single day. The Hot 100 isn't about "fairness" for songs that have huge airplay or sales or streaming points. It's meant to be equal to all songs and the opportunities they have when determining popularity. Suggesting anything else is just ridiculous. ----- And on the topic of "real hits" that was mentioned earlier. Refer to the topic in the Opinion forum asking whether One Sweet Day deserved to be the #1 hit of all time. How many people on this board don't even remember that song despite it being a "real hit" and how many people do you think recognize or know novelty hits like Baby Got Back or Cotton Eye Joe? Brucelover made an excellent point with his post. If you want to look at "cumulative" runs, there you have it. Novelty songs like the Macarena, Gangnam Style, and Harlam Shake will be remembered over the "huge airplay and sales hits" like One More Night or I Knew You Were Trouble. |
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 21, 2013 23:12:05 GMT -5
^Ehh... I don't think OMN and IKYWT are good examples to use. Both of those were absolutely massive hits. I'd say better examples to get your point across would be "Part of Me" and "Diamonds." Oh, and BTW, it's "Harl em Shake." Sorry, it's just been annoying me all day. I couldn't take it anymore.  |
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Post by musik... on Feb 21, 2013 23:17:44 GMT -5
The Five Stages of Pulse Music Board/Billboard Grief:
1. Denial: "Billboard is not for real? This can't be their new model for ranking songs."
2. Anger: "What in God's name are they doing? How dare they shake up the Hot 100 methodology? Are they insane?!"
3. Bargaining: "Why doesn't Billboard make a separate viral chart? How about they lower the streaming as proportion of chart points so that it's not as dramatic of a change? Why not leave the chart the way it was in 1958?"
4. Depression: "I don't think I could ever look at the Billboard Hot 100 the same again? I am so disappointed at what they've done!"
5. Acceptance: "Well there's nothing I can do and I'm not gonna start following Billy Bob's Top Songs in America chart so I guess I'll just deal with it. Who knows, maybe my fave will have a huge YouTube presence in the future."
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