Pandemic Mafia - (Game Over)

[popstop]

14 hours and not one post - wow. And Lossy hasn't posted in nearly three days. Nor has Lahey. And Landmarx's posts don't really count as posts.

I wish these day phases were like three days long because I feel like ppl are just fucking around until it's time to make a decision.

Anyhow, thought I'd do a search on people by post - at least the ones that might be suspicious.

Cynthia - Still not finding much suspicious about you, other than lingering your vote on Max with an RVS vote on D1. I think you came in really motivated to help town on D1, but D2 you have been a little quieter. Was a little thrown when you voted for Josh after my comment about him dismissing people's ideas, but you did later elaborate in a way that made sense.

Drag - This is interesting. You have a healthy interest in the roles. You asked Cynthia for clarificaion on Invince's chemist role. You asked if Invince's killer should roleclaim on D1 (you didn't think they should if they were town). Yet you wanted the roleblocker to claim on D2. Seemed concerned we might no lynch on D1. I don't think scum would care if we no lynch or not. Anyhow, for now I don't find you terribly suspicious.

Codex - You have not really been present in this game at all. All but one of your posts are less than 3 sentences. No analysis. I realize now that you had yet another vote on Josh on D1 without explanation, and only gave a reason when I prodded you for one. Your vote is on Drag, which I think is a lazy vote since other people provided reasons and you didn't have to.

Ginger Spice - About the same as Codex. Kept the vote on Landmarx for being inactive until the tide seemed to turn towards jback on D1. Jumped on the drag boat, but then stepped off when he was at L-2, so my reading on you is kind of null.

Josh - Honestly, this is the most lucid I've seen you play. Haha. As I mentioned, I think you've been too quick to dismiss opinions and haven't offered a lot of analysis up yourself, but I feel like that's less a scum move than just you being josh. I like that you gave some perspective on Invince's death by comparing it to when you had a 1-S power. I'm not seeing you FOS many people though, and that makes me think you could be trying to blend in.

Max - I don't think a bandwagon vote in itself is a bad thing, but you have piggybacked off what others have said almost exclusively. Looking through your posts, you had your RVS vote on Josh until I mentioned it was a crappy vote, then it switched to Landmarx, who already had some heat on him. You very briefly had it on Codex before the heat on jback arose and you voted for him. On D2, your first vote was for drag who had heat on him. You're being too much of a follower for me to think you are town.

Zebra - Hmm, I still think you are more than just some run-of-the-mill princess. Especially now that jback's Generic black woman turned out to be Goddess S. Didn't really care for your Landmarx vote on D1 - kind of felt patronizing after I had voted for you, but also suggested he wasn't posting enough. I think Cynthia's point about hesitancy to hammer is ok, but a better scum move would have been to lay low and not say anything at all, rather than confess your hesitancy, and you evenually did hammer, so I don't think that reason is valid.

Landmarx - Still infuriatingly lame.

I still would like to keep my vote on Lozzy because, seriously 3 days - @touch, you need to prod him. But I read through this and realize my case is pretty strong for Max.

Vote: Max

[popstop]

Oh, and of course, Lahey posts while I was writing that.
And Drag.

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Jul 6, 2014 10:27:16 GMT -5 popstop said:

Max - I don't think a bandwagon vote in itself is a bad thing, but you have piggybacked off what others have said almost exclusively.

That was the point I was trying to make yesterday. Whenever there was a new target, Max would quickly follow suit on the points of others with little to no explanation besides reiterating previous points.

I'm glad to see Laheyonce post. I'd rather not have anyone mod killed.

Landmarx do you have anything to add?

Lozzy, you're likely going to be prodded. I think we need to hear more from you since there has been quite a bit of activity since you last posted.

As of now, I'm most confident about Cynthia and popstop being town.

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#Mod: Lozzy has been prodded.

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Vote Count The Sequel~

Day 2 begins.

Deadline has been set for 7/10/2014 23:59:59 EDT.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Drag: 3 (Codex, Max, Landmarx)
Josh: 1 (Cynthia)
Lahey: 1 (Zebra)
Landmarx: 1 (josh)
Max: 2 (Drag, popstop)

Not voting: Lahey, Lozzy, Ginger Spice

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I'm keeping my vote on drag for no because I see no better person to vote for.

[josh]

Sorry for not being super active the past day or so. Lots of frogger and now on a long car ride where lots of no service areas. Will try to add some more later today if I can but I didn't sleep at all last night so probably bed early instead lol

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Jul 6, 2014 11:55:20 GMT -5 Codex said:

I'm keeping my vote on drag for no because I see no better person to vote for.

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#Mod: Rule 31 has been added.

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A Dragtastic Analysis:

I'm considering doing a no stance lynch policy. By not voting or being committed you're basically giving me the impression that you're scum. Lozzy hasn't posted in the past 3 days so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but I don't recall a game when he purposely let himself get prodded to hide under the radar until the end; not under my watch boo.

While Laheyonce did post, he basically just reiterated Max's point about me potentially using a past strategy with nothing to add. That's piggybagging dahhhhhling and I would know.

Ginger Spice has also kept a low key profile which makes me weary of him as well.

I'm still eying Max, but he's participating at the very least so kudos to you babe.

Codex was the first on my lynch but he hasn't been invested in the game thus far and hasn't really discussed other players or had a strong enough reasoning for his case. I'm watching you boo!

Landmarx is landmarx.

Zebra is giving me town vibes as of now. He was hesitant to hammer but he did and got rid of the indie.

Josh is somewhat invested, I'd put him in the leaning town pile.

Popstop is my choice for MVP since his analysis has really been top notch and I've agreed with the majority if not all of his points.

I look forward to hearing more from Cynthia; she's gonna clock everyone like her life depended on it. Don't let me down girl!

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Jul 6, 2014 21:25:39 GMT -5 @touch said:

#Mod: Rule 31 has been added.

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Jun 19, 2014 12:17:42 GMT -5 @touch said:

31) Posting Mariah Carey .gifs is strictly prohibited and will result in a warning.

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piggybacking* in reference to my point about Laheyonce. Speaking of Laheyonce, I think I'll move my vote over to him for now.

Vote: Laheyonce

[Zeebz]

I'm leaving my vote on Lahey because he jumped in and piggybacked like Drag noted and then left.

[Lozzy]

Hi, sorry I haven't logged on in a couple days. I'm going to request replacement because I'm pretty sure icant (who I presume is still available since he's on the list) will be better committed than I.

[Ginger Spice]

Ugh I don't even know.

I'm going to put my vote back on Vote: Landmarx just because he literally hasn't contributed anything (I know I haven't done much, but I've at least been staying engaged in the game), and I've been reading everything but nothing has struck me as super scummy so for right now I feel the best about that. Even though inactivity =/= scum, I feel like if Landmarx is scum, he'll be able to hide behind his inactivity, so that's what I'm worried about with him.

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@touch Lozzy has requested a replacement, I thought I'd give you a heads up.

Ginger Spice How do you feel about Laheyonce, Max and myself at the moment?

@antigonerising please chime in whenever you get the chance.

[SuperLaLaLa~]

#Mod: Lozzy's request for replacement has been noted.

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Vote Count: The Prequel To The Sequel~

Day 2 begins.

Deadline has been set for 7/10/2014 23:59:59 EDT.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Drag: 3 (Codex, Max, Landmarx)
Josh: 1 (Cynthia)
Lahey: 2 (Zebra, Drag)
Landmarx: 2 (josh, Ginger Spice)
Max: 1 (popstop)

Not voting: Lahey, Lozzy

[Ginger Spice]

Jul 7, 2014 11:36:27 GMT -5 @drag27 said:

Ginger Spice How do you feel about Laheyonce, Max and myself at the moment?

I don't have any strong feelings about you or Max. Both of you are playing in your normal playing styles (if that makes sense) so it's hard to tell which way you lean. I would say I feel better about you than Max, because of your voting for yourself. That seems townish, BUT could also be strategy. 

Lahey is *odd* because he's been very quiet which isn't like him. Though I could see why he wouldn't want to post as much because of the rookie mistakes he made in the last game (revealing he was a power role to early). Still, he's a very active poster and a very vocal poster and I just feel like the fact he hasn't posted much makes it seem like he is hiding something. FoS

So from most likely to least likely being scum:
1. Lahey
2. Max
3. Drag

[Ginger Spice]

too*

god i hate the no edit rule

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I always underestimate how much time irl stuff will take from me My summer class started today + I've been pretending that I'm working on a take-home final, so that's why I've been more MIA on day 2.

This is completely random but I think that Invincible's 'chemist' role might have been something functionally similar to an inventor (this is a role that can hand out random one-shot items to players each night; chemist may or may not know what powers the items hold). Normally speculating on roles is pointless but I think in this case it might be helpful in that understanding the flavor better might help us understand the type of scum we're dealing with. In this case, if chemist=inventor then there may very well be a roleblocker, but there is a decent chance that roleblocker is scum. Also, one thing I overlooked somehow was that jback was an immune dreaming god. the immunity in itself suggests that there is another role that can kill. whether this role is mafia or a vig who knows. i can't remember who suggested there may be another independent in the game, but i wouldn't rule that out either. that makes things a bit more difficult if so b/c that is yet another player who would have no ties to anyone.

as for thoughts on who is scum - inactivity is really kind of killing things. Codex, Landmarx, and Lahey I all felt were probably just inactive townies but I can't think that about the whole damn set of players! Lozzy is pulling out so I feel we can't hold his inactivity against him. Bye Lozzy :( but I do appreciate you letting us know what's up.

Landmarx's comments stand out not just b/c they are so few and far between but because he HAS to know how scummy his comments look. it almost feels intentional. Landmarx isn't a dumb bunny so I find it hard to believe he'd set himself up to be a target for that. Trying not to WIFOM on this. Codex...eh? It's literally impossible to even say anything about Lahey since he hasn't even been here since day 1. I'm almost expecting that a modkill will take care of him.

Vote: Max because:

1) the back and forth with Drag (if this is a mislynch we can examine Drag more)
2) my other strong(ish) suspicion was Zebra and upon reflection, I get the sense that they've pretty much been dancing around each other. I'll have to read through the entire thread again to be sure but for day 2 at least, the lack of interaction or even passing mention of the other is interesting when you consider that both have been subject to suspicion from multiple other players. If Max is a mislynch that won't confirm or refute anything but if he is scum then we can look at Zebra as a possible partner.

a vote for either of them would do, but I think there is more to be learned from a Max lynch because of the Drag connection.

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#Mod: Yeah, I'm going to officially replace Lozzy tomorrow. This is unfortunate, as is the rest of this game, but I've just had a very busy day and haven't had the time to go and do all the PMing involved. Until then, Lozzy is still a functioning player in this game.

[josh]

ok i'm sdrunk or something vote drag

[popstop]

I count four separate times Landmarx has gone more than 48 hours without posting. Landmarx, not that I want you to leave, but you don't seem interested. Can I ask why you haven't sought a replacement?

I like Drag's idea of asking questions to draw people out. I haven't done enough of that.

Cynthia, I know I suggested another independent - not sure if anyone else did, but I've been convinced there is. I don't really have a good reason for this idea - other than getting jback off the bat as an independent just made me feel like the odds were in favor of there being another indie and it seems like something Kunt would do. Have there been any games on Pulse with multiple independents?

Similar to the Josh votes on D1 - we have some lameness with Drag votes on D2. Not that I'm ruling out Drag, but we shouldn't be swayed by the fact that Drag has the most votes because these votes for him kind of suck. I'll cut Max slack on his Drag vote because at least he brought reason to it without prompting. As for the others:
josh - being drunk is not an excuse to just throw a vote out there. Why have you switched from the lametastic Landmarx?
Codex, your vote is on drag because you see no better person to vote for? I think you're being lazy. I don't see you asking questions or participating much either, so how would you know if there's a better person to vote for or not? What would you say to people who think you're laying low because they think you're scum?
Obv, no vote from Landmarx can be taken srsly.

Rose "Payola" Nylund , a comment I missed earlier - why do you feel us lynching jback was a lucky shot?

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Jul 8, 2014 0:54:06 GMT -5 popstop said:

Rose "Payola" Nylund , a comment I missed earlier - why do you feel us lynching jback was a lucky shot?

My vote's on Max currently but putting that aside, I can kinda see where he is coming from with that statement. It's not like we really had a major case against jback - I jumped on one semi-scuzzy thing he did (putting Landmarx at L-1 with no explanation), other people piled on rather quickly to get it over with, and he was gone. In a lot of ways Day 2 has been another Day 1, b/c we killed off the independent and had no night kill, so there's nothing to examine. But that said it is a lucky guess I'm happy to get, so why complain right?

I don't know why I am still awake right now but I won't be for long so goodnight

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to clarify by 'nothing to examine' i mean really obvious clues like motives to kill or defend someone. i'm sure there's something to examine, i've just not been here and now am too tired/lazy

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

What Cynthia said.

There just wasn't any strong evidence other than a hunch by one or two people.

[josh]

I just feel like Landmarx doesn't give a shit about the game, not that he's scum. Drag has done stuff to get the game moving, but then pulling the whole "I'm going to suicide" thing always just feels so scum, and I feel like either him or Max is scum, and he's way more suspicious than Max, imo.

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Well shit, the deadline is in just 50 hours. If we're going to discuss something we need to do it now.

Dragvestigator Questioning Time

Lahey's Lucky Star we haven't heard from you in the last bit. Any thoughts on anything? Who do you feel is most likely town? Which three players do you find most suspicious at the moment?

Codex your vote is currently on me. Besides me being the best person to vote for, what other justification do you have? Are there any other players you're currently suspicious of?

Rose "Payola" Nylund, your vote has been on me for the majority of day 2. what is your current case against me? who do you view as most likely being town and why?

If anyone else feels like chiming in, please do so. Now is as good of a time as ever.

[SuperLaLaLa~]

#Mod: Lozzy has been replaced by @icantthinkofaname. As a reminder, any issues you might have with him should be kept out of this thread.

I would also recommend unblocking him for purposes of the game if you have him blocked.