Billboard Hot 100: 01/16/2016

[godjanny]

You guys are just jealous that Post Malone has a more iconic hairstyle than your faves ever did, plus he made it to #15... how many Whitney songs ever made it that far?

You call me a troll? I am whatever you say I am.
 

[jarhys]

Jan 6, 2016 1:45:34 GMT -5 godjanny said:

You guys are just jealous that Post Malone has a more iconic hairstyle than your faves ever did, plus he made it to #15... 

The Weeknd's hairstyle screams iconic to me.

[Deleted]

while i'm obviously not alone in my feelings about this COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC nonsense in this thread, i think some of you are missing the point. we live in the information age, it's at our fingertips at all times... on our phones, on our computers, on our tablets... with free streaming access to TONS of music with one click.  if you are a music fan and participate in a music forum like this and take the time to talk about how you don't know someone and brag about it like it's cool... in that same amount of time you could have not only looked them up on wiki, you could have also streamed some songs while reading the wiki. but instead, this generation can't be bothered, even though it's right there at their fingertips... that's the underlying problem and where my direct and not-so-nice approach came from.

the reality for me is that i DID know the artists that came before my time at a very young age... i was a music fan and listened on my own and with my dad and/or mom and read books and discovered things ... long before the convenience of the internet was anywhere near existing.  and i've never stopped exploring and hearing names and checking them out, etc.  so i don't buy this victim crap about "you can't expect us to know..."....  please.  get over yourselves and visit a website or two and stream a song or two.  nobody knows every artist and their entire discography, but to familiarize yourself with someone is REALLY EASY THESE DAYS, so there is no reason to say "nope, don't know her and you can't expect me to."  

educate YOURSELVES, people. don't be lazy or take it for granted or rely on others and spout your defensiveness and ignorance in the meantime. it's not a good look.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jan 5, 2016 19:02:32 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Oh gawd. Utterly ridiculous. I knew someone would act a fool and feed into this fake "I don't know her" crap. Sorry, don't buy it for a half a second.  If you need attention, go to a different thread.  Or go on a date.  Read a book.  Listen to these legendary artists you "don't know."  But this nonsense is totally irrelevant to the current H100 thread.

Cute stories about interviewing friends or whoever, too - but I don't buy those either.  It's all cringe worthy.  Trolling, hating and/or stanning in disguise, that's all it is.  "Like, my friend said that she didn't know who Madonna was, but totally knew Mariah... soooo Mariah is clearly more relevant... like omg! LOL!"   

Make it stop.  All of this crap sounds so ignorant.  Especially as a music fan on a music board.  I don't care how old you are or when you were born or what music you listen to.

No. This post is damn ignorant. Whitney may be a legend but her fame was primarily in the 80s and 90s. After that, it was legacy. Many people don't care to seek out legacy music. How many Louis Armstrong songs do you know? Or Bob Dylan? Can you name one Peggy Lee song that isn't Christmas related?

You think I was trolling by asking someone I knew their perspective on something they were barely alive to experience firsthand? Stanning in disguise? Get a life and grow the fuck up.

[pnobelysk]

^ I think you are being really unfair . I've looked up tons of music in my life but there's no way I ll ever get a hold on everything that came out from my birth year and on .

I'm not surprised what so ever about the person who said their friend only knew the two Whitney songs . That's how many Whitney songs I knew until she passed away , and then I became more familiar with more of her singles . Like it or not my generation can't be expected to know every artists single discography . It's not fair to tie it to the Information Age of technology because to know every popular artists singles from the 90s and 80s in this case we'd have to devote a lot of time.

Instead be glad that the majority of us seem to know who Whitney was and know a couple of her songs , because many other artists are forgotten .

I explained earlier in this thread what songs random people my age would perhaps know from Mariah and Madonna and I thought about including Whitney . If I did it would have only had I will always love you and I wanna dance with somebody . Even though Whitney was a tremendous talent , being born in 1995 and not really remember much music until the early 2000s , that wasn't exactly a time where Whitney was in her prime .

Edit : this is for the post 2 above mine

[Gary]

Jan 6, 2016 9:34:20 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

while i'm obviously not alone in my feelings about this COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC nonsense in this thread, i think some of you are missing the point. we live in the information age, it's at our fingertips at all times... on our phones, on our computers, on our tablets... with free streaming access to TONS of music with one click.  if you are a music fan and participate in a music forum like this and take the time to talk about how you don't know someone and brag about it like it's cool... in that same amount of time you could have not only looked them up on wiki, you could have also streamed some songs while reading the wiki. but instead, this generation can't be bothered, even though it's right there at their fingertips... that's the underlying problem and where my direct and not-so-nice approach came from.

the reality for me is that i DID know the artists that came before my time at a very young age... i was a music fan and listened on my own and with my dad and/or mom and read books and discovered things ... long before the convenience of the internet was anywhere near existing.  and i've never stopped exploring and hearing names and checking them out, etc.  so i don't buy this victim crap about "you can't expect us to know..."....  please.  get over yourselves and visit a website or two and stream a song or two.  nobody knows every artist and their entire discography, but to familiarize yourself with someone is REALLY EASY THESE DAYS, so there is no reason to say "nope, don't know her and you can't expect me to."  

educate YOURSELVES, people. don't be lazy or take it for granted or rely on others and spout your defensiveness and ignorance in the meantime. it's not a good look.

Congratulations on knowing all the artists that came before your time at a very young age.

Although it is true that there are teens well educated on music history.  It is also true that there are teens that are not.  The Pulse "legends" like Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc. are well known to many that post here.  People though post here for different reasons.    It is not unreasonable to believe that an 18 year old, for example, may not be all that familiar with 'One Sweet Day' or "I Will Always Love You" or etc.    Those songs do not get played on top 40 radio and neither Mariah, Whitney or Madonna place songs on the charts anymore.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jan 6, 2016 10:43:07 GMT -5 Gary said:

Jan 6, 2016 9:34:20 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

while i'm obviously not alone in my feelings about this COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC nonsense in this thread, i think some of you are missing the point. we live in the information age, it's at our fingertips at all times... on our phones, on our computers, on our tablets... with free streaming access to TONS of music with one click.  if you are a music fan and participate in a music forum like this and take the time to talk about how you don't know someone and brag about it like it's cool... in that same amount of time you could have not only looked them up on wiki, you could have also streamed some songs while reading the wiki. but instead, this generation can't be bothered, even though it's right there at their fingertips... that's the underlying problem and where my direct and not-so-nice approach came from.

the reality for me is that i DID know the artists that came before my time at a very young age... i was a music fan and listened on my own and with my dad and/or mom and read books and discovered things ... long before the convenience of the internet was anywhere near existing.  and i've never stopped exploring and hearing names and checking them out, etc.  so i don't buy this victim crap about "you can't expect us to know..."....  please.  get over yourselves and visit a website or two and stream a song or two.  nobody knows every artist and their entire discography, but to familiarize yourself with someone is REALLY EASY THESE DAYS, so there is no reason to say "nope, don't know her and you can't expect me to."  

educate YOURSELVES, people. don't be lazy or take it for granted or rely on others and spout your defensiveness and ignorance in the meantime. it's not a good look.

Congratulations on knowing all the artists that came before your time at a very young age.

Although it is true that there are teens well educated on music history.  It is also true that there are teens that are not.  The Pulse "legends" like Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc. are well known to many that post here.  People though post here for different reasons.    It is not unreasonable to believe that an 18 year old, for example, may not be all that familiar with 'One Sweet Day' or "I Will Always Love You" or etc.    Those songs do not get played on top 40 radio and neither Mariah, Whitney or Madonna place songs on the charts anymore.

yeah, but, like, what about all that time listening to music with mom and/or dad? LOL! ...or how people can familiarize themselves using the internet because it's REALLY EASY THESE DAYS. they're not victims. they're lazy and take it for granted and they're proud of their ignorance. and remember, it's not a good look.

[Deleted]

it is totally unreasonable to think that someone will know all of the artists before their time, let alone all of their songs. that's not my point. my point, once again, is that we all have easy access to educating ourselves these days before we tout our ignorance in a music fan forum. it's not that I expect younger people to know certain songs or even certain artists without a little investigating - obviously exposure on the radio is limited to who is popular here and now - it's that i expect music fans to take opportunities to inform themselves before going on and on about how they don't know people and then trying to defend it. it makes no sense to me. as a popular music fan, you should WANT to know who these legends are and form your own opinions about them, good or bad. it doesn't take long to find out that someone has a historic career and sample some of their top hits. There's a very good chance we've already heard some of their songs and just didn't know who it was... so a little 5 minute search does wonders. there's nothing wrong with being unfamiliar, it's the STAYING unfamiliar by choice and/or laziness and then touting it in a music forum that I take issue with.

Approach A: Whitney Houston? Who's that? I think I know one song because of a song that was sampled. (Someone else: But she passed away, there's no way you couldn't know that it was all over the news and her music hit the charts again) Well yeah, I heard she passed away but that's it. I didn't follow pop music that year. Bye.

Approach B: Whitney Houston is before my time. I wasn't that familiar, but she was obviously huge based on the news coverage when she passed away. I just checked out her wiki and wow... she was huge. And I took a listen to some of her songs and realized I knew more of them that I thought, even if I didn't know it was her. Not a big fan of the music, but she's got a nice voice.

See the difference? We're in a music forum, we're not random people on the street that may or may not pay any attention to music.

it's called tough love, kids. i know you can do better than to sit in a music fan forum like this and put all your energy into defending your own ignorance rather than taking a moment to inform yourselves. i understand some of you are going to be mad and say i'm being unfair, and that's fine... it's expected. but again, i know you can do better. i've made my stance clear and i stand behind it 100%. i really have nothing else to say on the matter in this thread. if you have more things you'd like to say to me, feel free to PM me and fire away... otherwise, i encourage you to spend this time and energy educating yourselves rather than playing the victim. i'm not the enemy, and my intentions are good ... my approach is simply that of tough love.

[Gary]

What if there are those that do not choose to educate themselves just because you have? Music education history is not a prerequisite for posting here.

People may just want to know how the Justin Bieber songs are doing, for example, and may not care so much about Mariah's and Whitney's accomplishments. Afterall, they have not charted in a while with anything new. Current charts relate to current music which most teen pop music fans will get exposed to.

I have talked to numerous teens in real life and I have seen some of the posts here. The answers are all the same, They may be familiar with some of the older stuff if they heard it but, if you said, well what about 'One Sweet Day' do you know that one? The answer could very well be...no but, if you played it for me it might sound familiar.

yes, I am sure you could produce several of your friends who know the backgrounds of Mariah, Whitney, etc. but those that publically say they aren't quite as familiar with them as you, well...they may rebel against "tough love"

[Deleted]

^ read my last post again. i have nothing else to say. i'm not here to argue for the sake of arguing. if you want to defend those that choose to tout their ignorance in a music forum, good for you. go nuts. but i'm not interested, sorry.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jan 6, 2016 11:07:45 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

it is totally unreasonable to think that someone will know all of the artists before their time, let alone all of their songs. that's not my point. my point, once again, is that we all have easy access to educating ourselves these days before we tout our ignorance in a music fan forum. it's not that I expect younger people to know certain songs or even certain artists without a little investigating - obviously exposure on the radio is limited to who is popular here and now - it's that i expect music fans to take opportunities to inform themselves before going on and on about how they don't know people and then trying to defend it.

I'll stop right here. Did you not say I was trolling or "stanning in disguise" because I relayed a story about how I asked someone I knew who doesn't post here how much she knew about Mariah and Madonna?

Jan 6, 2016 11:07:45 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

it makes no sense to me. as a popular music fan, you should WANT to know who these legends are and form your own opinions about them, good or bad. it doesn't take long to find out that someone has a historic career and sample some of their top hits. There's a very good chance we've already heard some of their songs and just didn't know who it was... so a little 5 minute search does wonders. there's nothing wrong with being unfamiliar, it's the STAYING unfamiliar by choice and/or laziness and then touting it in a music forum that I take issue with.

Only, it would take more than 5 minutes to form an opinion on most music. It takes many listens, weeks, months, maybe even years, to really form an opinion on an artist and their music, and it's especially challenging when it's music you don't really care to get invested in. I love music. Have since I was really young. But other than what I've been exposed to from others, or through media, I'm not overly familiar with the Beatles' music. I've read a lot about them and am familiar enough with many of their songs, but that's it. I know even less from the Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys. I've spent more than 5 minutes reading about each of them because I admittedly do find their legacy fascinating, especially Brian Wilson, but especially the Beatles in their heyday. But other than that, I personally don't care. Am I supposed to? Is it just because you say I'm supposed to just because you value it?

My issue with what you're saying isn't that people shouldn't explore the music of years past and familiarize themselves with it. They should if they feel compelled to. No, my issue with you is that you're taking your values and opinions and forcing them on how other people should be viewing the music the way you do. It doesn't work that way. People in other communities or with other backgrounds don't give a crap about the Beatles because it means nothing to their identity, in much the same way the music of Whitney Houston means nothing to the identity of many people today. She had a lot of great songs and she was a great talent and personally, I enjoy her music and do know a lot of it because her peak was during my music-listening years. But if I didn't, I'd probably be okay with it. And you know what? That's fine.

If you're in disbelief that people could be unfamiliar with a certain well-known artist, that's fine. I was quite surprised when my friend only named off a few Madonna songs and I thinks she saw it in my face when she said she thought Mariah was more successful than Madonna. But did I bitch her out over it? No, because I'm not that kind of douchebag. Instead, it made ME realize even more how different perspectives can be based on age and a few years. You might do yourself a favour by realizing the same thing. Oddly enough, the younger ones on here can teach you a few things too.

So how's about you keep doing you and drop the victim card and we'll all just carry on.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jan 6, 2016 11:21:58 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

^ read my last post again. i have nothing else to say. i'm not here to argue for the sake of arguing.

This translates to: I'm going to remain ignorant in my own opinion.

The irony.

[jenglisbe]

I don't think it's unreasonable to "expect" people to know artists and songs who came before someone was born, especially if those artists/songs are iconic or legendary. I wasn't alive in the 60s or 70s, but I know The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin, Aretha Franklin, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday, and more. Part of that is me being a music fan, for sure. But in this thread we aren't talking about random one-hit wonders or something.

It's stereotyping and also definitely just from my limited point-of-view, but one thing I've noticed in this current generation of teens and early 20s people is a "What have you done for me lately?" mentality. In stan wars you will see people say something like Ariana Grande is better than Mariah because Grande has a hit right now and Mariah isn't relevant. Um, Mariah had 18 #1s in her career while Grande hasn't had one yet. But to a lot of current stans, it's literally about the moment and not anything from the past. It's strange to me because that mentality also renders The Beatles, Aretha, etc. meaningless. WTH?

[Gary]

Jan 6, 2016 11:21:58 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

^ read my last post again. i have nothing else to say. i'm not here to argue for the sake of arguing. if you want to defend those that choose to tout their ignorance in a music forum, good for you. go nuts. but i'm not interested, sorry.

LOL

You are interested enough to post the rants that you posted

Your use of the word "ignorance" is something that I have an issue with.    If someone chooses to not be as well versed as you on historical music figures, that is not a failing, that could possibly be they may not be interested in that. 

For an extreme example, those who read this thread and say "Who is Adele?", could fall into what you are talking about but that is a far cry, in my opinion from "I am not familiar with Whitney Houston's biggest hits"

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jan 6, 2016 11:28:25 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I don't think it's unreasonable to "expect" people to know artists and songs who came before someone was born, especially if those artists/songs are iconic or legendary. I wasn't alive in the 60s or 70s, but I know The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin, Aretha Franklin, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday, and more. Part of that is me being a music fan, for sure. But in this thread we aren't talking about random one-hit wonders or something.

It's stereotyping and also definitely just from my limited point-of-view, but one thing I've noticed in this current generation of teens and early 20s people is a "What have you done for me lately?" mentality. In stan wars you will see people say something like Ariana Grande is better than Mariah because Grande has a hit right now and Mariah isn't relevant. Um, Mariah had 18 #1s in her career while Grande hasn't had one yet. But to a lot of current stans, it's literally about the moment and not anything from the past. It's strange to me because that mentality also renders The Beatles, Aretha, etc. meaningless. WTH?

Ok. But what music from the 20s, 30s and 40s do you know? How many songs from those decades are you familiar with? Do you own any sheet music?

Once again, this is you pushing your own values on other people. Those artists you listed are legendary and have been very successful, but there's more to music than knowing the historically famous. Music is personal and people have their own musical tastes formulated from personal experiences across many years. You can't force someone to know, care, or like music just because you or even a society deems it important to.

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

Oh dear God...

Still going on.

Im pretty sure Janster is trolling you guys, especially after that Natalie La Rose comment.

[wjr15]

Jan 6, 2016 11:26:32 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jan 6, 2016 11:21:58 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

^ read my last post again. i have nothing else to say. i'm not here to argue for the sake of arguing.

This translates to: I'm going to remain ignorant in my own opinion.

The irony.

That's why I gave up after one reply. Some people will never be able to admit they're wrong. It's pretty obvious his post was ignorant. Maybe if he was more willing to educate that poster on who Whitney was, then there wouldn't be any problem. Just because someone is a legend, he shouldn't except everyone to know her, regardless whether it's on a music forum or not.

[popstop]

I think I can broker an agreement.

broccoli: I think sometimes people are being disingenuous when they claim not to know a certain song.
Max: Yeah, but the majority of people don't do that, and they are genuinely unaware.
broccoli: Some do troll though.
Max: OK, maybe a few.
broccoli: ia
Max: me 2

Group hug.

[jenglisbe]

Jan 6, 2016 11:55:04 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jan 6, 2016 11:28:25 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I don't think it's unreasonable to "expect" people to know artists and songs who came before someone was born, especially if those artists/songs are iconic or legendary. I wasn't alive in the 60s or 70s, but I know The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin, Aretha Franklin, Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday, and more. Part of that is me being a music fan, for sure. But in this thread we aren't talking about random one-hit wonders or something.

It's stereotyping and also definitely just from my limited point-of-view, but one thing I've noticed in this current generation of teens and early 20s people is a "What have you done for me lately?" mentality. In stan wars you will see people say something like Ariana Grande is better than Mariah because Grande has a hit right now and Mariah isn't relevant. Um, Mariah had 18 #1s in her career while Grande hasn't had one yet. But to a lot of current stans, it's literally about the moment and not anything from the past. It's strange to me because that mentality also renders The Beatles, Aretha, etc. meaningless. WTH?

Ok. But what music from the 20s, 30s and 40s do you know? How many songs from those decades are you familiar with? Do you own any sheet music?

Once again, this is you pushing your own values on other people. Those artists you listed are legendary and have been very successful, but there's more to music than knowing the historically famous. Music is personal and people have their own musical tastes formulated from personal experiences across many years. You can't force someone to know, care, or like music just because you or even a society deems it important to.

For one, the 20s, 30s, and 40s are a lot more removed from me than the 80s and 90s are from current teens, so that isn't a truly relevant comparison. Having said that, I do know music from the time periods you mention. I have music by Bing Crosby, The Andrews Sisters, Billie Holiday, Fats Waller, etc. on my iPod. But in terms of you saying I am pushing my values on other people, I did write in my post you quoted that "Part of that is me being a music fan" and also "It's stereotyping and also definitely just from my limited point-of-view." In other words I already stated I am coming from my own values. I'm just saying I don't think it's unreasonable to think someone would know music released 10-20 years before they were born. And more so, if someone doesn't know much music before they were born, to me it shows a limited interest on their part (which is their right, for sure, but still true).

[Caviar]

When are we gonna get back on topic? I mean damn..

[carreramd]

Predictions for this week?

[Deleted]

Jan 6, 2016 14:18:31 GMT -5 carreramd said:

Predictions for this week?

Adele for the win. Stressed Out for the top 5.  Taylor for a nice debut!   

[carreramd]

Jan 6, 2016 14:28:37 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Jan 6, 2016 14:18:31 GMT -5 carreramd said:

Predictions for this week?

Adele for the win. Stressed Out for the top 5.  Taylor for a nice debut!   

I agree, except for Taylor...

[Deleted]

^ notice i didn't say "big" debut... just "nice" lol. where do you think it'll debut?

[carreramd]

Jan 6, 2016 14:35:56 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

^ notice i didn't say "big" debut... just "nice" lol. where do you think it'll debut?

I don't know, but I think it won't be very nice... I hope at least top 50. OOTW and Style are my favorite by Taylor.
What do you think? You're good with predictions.

[Deleted]

Jan 6, 2016 14:41:11 GMT -5 carreramd said:

Jan 6, 2016 14:35:56 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

^ notice i didn't say "big" debut... just "nice" lol. where do you think it'll debut?

I don't know, but I think it won't be very nice... I hope at least top 50. OOTW and Style are my favorite by Taylor.
What do you think? You're good with predictions.

I'm not expecting anything spectacular this week, top 50 would be great... top 40 seems possible....   It's that streaming metric that is hard to predict... with the US video view count.  She's on Apple music, right, and they are being included... so she gets a boost there?  

Anyone have a more informed opinion on this?

[carreramd]

The views of Focus were so much bigger than OOTW on its first week? I don't remember. Ariana surprised with the #7 debut, but sales and airplay were so much better than Taylor's song.

[ry4n]

"Out Of The Woods" would be a re-entry, not a debut ;)

[carreramd]

Jan 6, 2016 14:54:44 GMT -5 ry4n said:

"Out Of The Woods" would be a re-entry, not a debut ;)

And I don't think it will surpass its peak...

[Deleted]

truth... definitely a re-entry. my bad!