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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 11:43:02 GMT -5
I don't think she should, but these days Mariah would probably get a credit on "Everytime I Close My Eyes," which would have given her another top 10 hit. But even beyond credits, things are so different now. Look at how many of Rihanna's hits are true solo songs versus those of Janet and even Mariah (Mariah bridged that trend, of course). Yeah, I don't either. Mariah was a huge star in 1996 when she did Babyface a solid providing those backing vocals. Seems likely that had she wanted featured credit, I'm sure she could/would have gotten it - they were even both under Sony. While it may have likely benefitted the single to credit her - it also seems like an unnecessary - and an odd move, even - so I'm glad she/they didn't. I can't think of any big hits that feature a feature-credited backing-only vocal. Can you? Wouldn't seem right. Especially when there are producers and DJs these days who put out albums full of tracks with featured vocalists who sing the entire vocal, and the singles chart as Producer featuring Vocalist. It counts as a feature for the Artist, which doesn't seem "fair" or comparable to a true featured performance, which is half the vocal or less in most cases. I noticed Mariah, Janet and Rihanna all have some top 10 hits as a featured artist, with featured artists, and as co-lead artists. And they all have the majority of their top 10 hits credited as solo artists. While chart fans of each are going to feel all different types of ways, they all earned their 27 top 10s in my book. None of them have this flawless record of solo top 10 hits making one more worthy or legit than the other. That said, agreed that it is a different time on the charts in many ways these days... but a top 10 is still a notable achievement and not any easier than it was 10-20-30 years ago, even if it's just for one week. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:03:36 GMT -5
*pissed* I'm not knocking Rihanna. I'm mad at BILLBOARD for not crediting Janet on "Diamonds" with Herb Alpert even though that was a Top 10 hit and quite a fun song. Janet did ultimately get credit for Diamonds. Had she not, she would only have 26 top 10s. She may not have gotten credited on the original single release, but it still counts in her total. Am i missing something? She was credited on the Black Singles chart but not the Hot 100 for whatever reason. |
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Post by popstop on Feb 5, 2016 12:18:50 GMT -5
Where are you seeing she has 28? When I look at Wikipedia, I see 29, but that's counting We Are the World Haiti for which she wasn't credited, and Diamonds, for which she wasn't credited. So taking those 2 away gives her 27.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:23:44 GMT -5
1 What Have You Done For Me Lately 2 Nasty 3 When I Think of You 4 Control 5 Let's Wait Awhile 6 Miss You Much 7 Rhythm Nation 8 Escapade 9 Alright 10 Come Back To Me 11 Black Cat 12 Love Will Never Do 13 That's The Way Love Goes 14 If 15 Again 16 Because Of Love 17 Any Time Any Place 18 You Want This 19 Runaway 20 Together Again 21 I Get Lonely 22 Doesn't Really Matter 23 All For You 24 Someone To Call My Lover 25 Diamonds 26 Scream 27 What's It Gonna Be Ohhh... 28 The Best Things In Life Are Free. My bad. Still weird to me that they credit her now in their chart archives. www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/1987-04-11 |
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Post by popstop on Feb 5, 2016 12:27:08 GMT -5
Oh, subsitute The Best Things in Life Are Free for Diamonds and there is your 27. Edit: nm  |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 5, 2016 16:48:27 GMT -5
I don't think she should, but these days Mariah would probably get a credit on "Everytime I Close My Eyes," which would have given her another top 10 hit. But even beyond credits, things are so different now. Look at how many of Rihanna's hits are true solo songs versus those of Janet and even Mariah (Mariah bridged that trend, of course). Yeah, I don't either. Mariah was a huge star in 1996 when she did Babyface a solid providing those backing vocals. Seems likely that had she wanted featured credit, I'm sure she could/would have gotten it - they were even both under Sony. While it may have likely benefitted the single to credit her - it also seems like an unnecessary - and an odd move, even - so I'm glad she/they didn't. I can't think of any big hits that feature a feature-credited backing-only vocal. Can you? Wouldn't seem right. Especially when there are producers and DJs these days who put out albums full of tracks with featured vocalists who sing the entire vocal, and the singles chart as Producer featuring Vocalist. It counts as a feature for the Artist, which doesn't seem "fair" or comparable to a true featured performance, which is half the vocal or less in most cases. Doesn't Janelle Monae essentially only sing backing vocals on We Are Young? Christina Aguilera only sings harmony vocal on Say Something; I realize she can be heard pretty well, but in a technical sense it isn't a lead vocal yet she got credit. Paul McCartney has a credit on "FourFive Seconds" that very few artists would get. I could name a lot of country songs where artists get a credit for only doing backing vocals (Faith Hill on It's Your Love, Alison Krauss on Buy Me A Rose). Those are just off the top of my head. There are likely more. And like I said, I don't think Mariah deserved a credit on "EICME," but I think song credits have become a bigger thing in the past 10-20 years, so in today's climate she would get a credit. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 6, 2016 8:04:42 GMT -5
Justin Timberlake had strong background vocals on Rihanna's rehab and didn't receive an official credit
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Post by renfield75 on Feb 6, 2016 18:30:45 GMT -5
Janet and Mariah could also have possibly snagged an extra Hot 100 top ten if their airplay-only top tens "State Of The World" and "Forever" had been commercially released (thanks to the chart rules of the day).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:30:10 GMT -5
^ True, and Madonna may have had an even better record-setting total if Into The Groove had been released.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 8, 2016 18:53:18 GMT -5
Janet and Mariah could also have possibly snagged an extra Hot 100 top ten if their airplay-only top tens "State Of The World" and "Forever" had been commercially released (thanks to the chart rules of the day). For Mariah that applies to "Butterfly" as well. And "AIWFCIY." |
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Post by Juanca on Feb 20, 2016 12:13:28 GMT -5
Madonna was certainly robbed of a top 5 or maybe #1 --ITG was released as the B side of the 12-inch vinyl of Angel, so it should've charted! Plus later she was also affected by the non-Physical release of Beautiful Stranger and American Pie. So frustrated at some of her label's decisions throughout her career  |
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Post by jebsib on Feb 21, 2016 16:34:46 GMT -5
The truth is that most huge stars have these phantom hits - I can name 15 or more from the Beatles, Elton had a top 10 radio hit with "Pinball Wizard", Stevie with "Isn't She Lovely". The Stones and Led Zep had numerous, the Bee Gees had "More than a Woman" garner top 25 airplay… Don't get me started on Garth Brooks and the Country stars of the mid 8os...
Not certain about Elvis, but most superstars of the Pre-Soundscan day's totals would be much higher if today's tech enriched their chart eras.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 16:59:00 GMT -5
the good news is that success comes in many forms and statistics and totals and numbers when it comes to the charts are just one aspect - and not everyone puts a lot of weight on chart success. Some of the phantom hits which failed to cement themselves into H100 history books are actually the songs that became "gold" classics which get radio spins today while some other big #1s of the time do not. Into The Groove is a good example - it's easily one of Madonna's biggest more endearing songs when we look beyond the confines of the H100.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 21, 2016 18:16:56 GMT -5
the good news is that success comes in many forms and statistics and totals and numbers when it comes to the charts are just one aspect - and not everyone puts a lot of weight on chart success. Some of the phantom hits which failed to cement themselves into H100 history books are actually the songs that became "gold" classics which get radio spins today while some other big #1s of the time do not. Into The Groove is a good example - it's easily one of Madonna's biggest more endearing songs when we look beyond the confines of the H100. Right. I think too often people try to use the Hot 100 as some measure of career success, and to a certain extent that's false. The Hot 100 is meant to measure current popularity for 1 song, and that's it. It isn't meant to be some predictor of longevity or even represent pop culture impact or something. It's simply a measure of what individual songs people are listening to and buying for that week. That's it. |
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