Dua Lipa – Future Nostalgia

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I think it makes sense from a marketing/organization perspective but from a chart/certification perspective, it is cheap. It’s like altering the track listing after the fact to boost numbers. But it’s the digital age and a lot of artists nowadays are releasing stand-alone singles shortly after their albums come out. May as well have them go somewhere I suppose.

[thegreatdivine]

Jan 30, 2021 20:05:57 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jan 30, 2021 19:55:36 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

kimberly her not being a rapper really doesn't matter, lol. Why aren't other singers (who also do collabs) doing what she's doing then?

lol. all of your examples of "what if Drake/Megan/Roddy did this?" don't mean much precisely because Dua is not a rapper or an artist that has many features.

as for your question—good question. they should. Halsey tacked "Be Kind" onto Manic (Deluxe) and it did wonders for her. Dua's team pioneered this strategy in the streaming era. you keep asking questions you yourself have answered already. 

Gotta say, I love how determined you are sticking to "Dua isn't a rapper who does many features" to validate a practice you've also admitted is potentially messy if more and more artists embrace but since it's currently only being done by an artist you like (who I like as well), it's perfectly okay, lol.

Just in case I didn't say this earlier, the reason why I mentioned certain rappers is because they're the ones this practice would benefit the most since they have more collabs than anyone else. I also mentioned bundling and the current deluxe album trend as other examples of how certain practices which get embraced by the industry can quickly make a mess of everything, but whatever.

I saw on another forum that Un Dia, Prisoner and That Kind of Woman are basically confirmed for the re-release. I hope Fever and the Levitating version featuring DaBaby also makes the cut.

[thegreatdivine]

Jan 30, 2021 23:09:37 GMT -5 aussie1 said:

I think adding on all the songs you have done during an era into a deluxe is great idea. It sort of umbrellas everything into one spot. However an album as clean FN but not work with these added on singles.

But to think that Dua is doing this just to boost her album streams is kind of irrelevant? A songs streams can only count towards one album. So I think that her adding them onto a deluxe is harmless, as they would count for the other persons album anyways.

Ariana added Bang Bang onto My Everything and Anne Marie added her features onto her album as well. So this random targeted attack on Dua feels more personal.

And at the end of the day if it bothers someone so much about having these added songs onto the album, thats fine just stream the regular edition of the album, easy fix.

There's nothing personal about it and it isn't an attack. Criticizing a practice doesn't equate to attacking an artist who engages in said practice. I mentioned Dua because she's one of, if not the first artist to tack on as many collabs as she did on an original album (which she did with her debut album) and she seems to be doing the same thing now.

Also, you're wrong. The songs will boost her album's figures and it will count for her, just as it counts for the main artists. 



Counting the 5 collabs Dua added, it gives her album 3,320,428,868 extra streams. Taking away those collabs leaves her album with 4,538,125,099 streams and you know who then has the most streamed female album on Spotify? Billie Eilish with WWAFA, WDWG. 

I was trying to point out how messy it becomes if more and more artists start adding their biggest collabs to their albums to boost their album stream totals. If Drake adds his biggest collabs from 2018 to Scorpion, the album surpasses 10B streams on Spotify and becomes the most streamed album of all time on the platform and then what happens if/when the rest of the industry follows suit? That's the question I was asking and I've gotten enough responses to have an idea of what most people (at least in this thread) think about it. 

[kimberly]

Jan 30, 2021 23:37:25 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jan 30, 2021 20:05:57 GMT -5 kimberly said:

lol. all of your examples of "what if Drake/Megan/Roddy did this?" don't mean much precisely because Dua is not a rapper or an artist that has many features.

as for your question—good question. they should. Halsey tacked "Be Kind" onto Manic (Deluxe) and it did wonders for her. Dua's team pioneered this strategy in the streaming era. you keep asking questions you yourself have answered already. 

Gotta say, I love how determined you are sticking to "Dua isn't a rapper who does many features" to validate a practice you've also admitted is potentially messy if more and more artists embrace but since it's currently only being done by an artist you like (who I like as well), it's perfectly okay, lol.

Just in case I didn't say this earlier, the reason why I mentioned certain rappers is because they're the ones this practice would benefit the most since they have more collabs than anyone else. I also mentioned bundling and the current deluxe album trend as other examples of how certain practices which get embraced by the industry can quickly make a mess of everything, but whatever.

The reason why I'm sticking to "Dua Lipa isn't a rapper" is because these are different leagues and cultures. The same way Dua Lipa doesn't drop full-length projects disguised as "mixtapes" or "compilation of leaked tracks" just because Drake and Meg and many more in hip-hop do it, I don't think rappers who do already out stream most everyone in the industry will get greedy and try to tack on their 5 most streamed features out of 20 they do each year onto an album that is already popular and 26 songs long. Hip hop thrives off of features. How many features does Dua Lipa have on her 11-track standard album? None. 

Non-men and especially non-men in pop need a leg up in this gig, because there are real systemic issues that favor men in all aspects of the music industry. I'm not going to get more philosophical here and shove my ideologies down anyone's throat, but I'd be content if Billie Eilish (whose music I'm not really a fan of) rereleased her debut album and tacked on her EP/collaborations and couple one-offs after the Grammys last year, for example. If Megan added "WAP" as a bonus track on Good News, I'd question it a little bit but I would understand it. Drake adding "SICKO MODE" on Scorpion would just be unnecessary and illogical, especially this far out.

I saw on another forum that Un Dia, Prisoner and That Kind of Woman are basically confirmed for the re-release. I hope Fever and the Levitating version featuring DaBaby also makes the cut.

The leaked tracklist is somewhere in this thread, but I believe they are. "Fever" and "Levitating ft. DaBaby" are already listed under the album on Spotify :)

[thegreatdivine]

kimberly I agree with you that women are disadvantaged, not just in the music industry but in every industry they could possibly find themselves in. I'm a black woman so I live in this reality every day of my life. The truth is that all minority groups are mostly disadvantaged or discriminated against and men aren't the minority so they're usually exempt from that. I've had extensive discussions about this on forums myself and I agree that this isn't the thread to go on about that in, lol.

As for artists calling full-length releases mixtapes/EPs/compilations - they have every right to do so. Most rappers who release mixtapes do so because they're prolific and they have songs they likely consider aren't good enough for their albums but are still good enough to be released. Back in the day, projects like that would be released for free and at no cost to their labels (and that mostly holds true even today) but since streaming became a thing, it makes more sense releasing them on DSPs since most fans use streaming services and can also stream those projects for free on those platforms.

Dua not having features on FN was entirely her choice. Ariana did the same on TUN despite her typically having features on her albums and Billie did the same with WWAFA, WDWG. Dua featured Miguel on her debut album and with the relationships she currently has in the industry, I'm sure she could feature mostly anyone she wanted if she desired to do so.

You suggesting rappers can't/won't get greedy and follow Dua's lead is a bit naive because it'll simply be suggested to them by their labels/managers and all they'd have to do is say yes. Like you said, rappers already outstream everyone but who are the people who have mostly engaged in the current 8-14 track deluxe album trend which further boosts streams? Rappers, that's who, lol.

I also wouldn't mind if Billie repackaged WWAFA, WDWG and added some songs to it or if Megan added WAP to her album but my concern was other artists, particularly rappers, seeing that and knowing they could do it and get away with it and the further imbalance/gap it would create between the streams they already pull and how everyone else does streaming-wise compared to that (sorry, I know this is starting to read like a novel).

Oh, that's nice ^__^. Funny, Levitating is my second favorite song off FN and even though I don't care for DaBaby, he elevates the song and now the version he's featured on is the one I play the most, lol. I think Dua should add 9 more songs instead of 6: Un Dia, Prisoner, That Kind of Woman, Fever, Levitating w/DaBaby, maybe even throw in the Sugar remix and 3 new tracks to bring it to a cute 20-track total, but oh well.

[kimberly]

thegreatdivine The point we keep budding heads in is that I find it reasonable that Dua's tacking on all her collaborations during an era, which add up to like 5 songs, as a deluxe. If a hip-hop artist, especially one that does a lot of features, tried to do the same, their album would end up being half-filled with songs by other artists that they're featured on, if not more than half. This would be a risky move and would most likely incite backlash, not only from stan twitter but also the hip-hop community itself. (the same way Migos got clowned for their album length, for example.)

Beyond that, most rappers already have features on their albums, so adding in these features would further erase their identity. It's a similar case in pop music, too. I remember people bashing Ariana Grande for having features on most of her singles and more tracks on My Everything than most other pop girls did at the time. For an album like Future Nostalgia or WWAFAWDWG, this is less of a concern. For Good News, or the City Girls album, it would be more concerning. If DaBaby decided to put "Levitating" on Blame It on Baby, which is already 2 albums long, it just would not make any sense whatsoever.

I don't think there's anything more we can discuss in this thread. I'm glad we agree on some things though.

The alleged tracklist is as follows:

11. Boys Will Be Boys
12. Fever (with Angèle)
13. We're Good
14. Prisoner (Miley Cyrus ft. Dua Lipa)
15. If It Ain't Me
16. That Kind of Woman
17. Not My Problem (ft. JID)
18. Levitating (ft. DaBaby)
19. Un Dia (One Day) (ft. Tainy)

I'm guessing the 6 you mentioned didn't include "Fever" and the "Levitating" remix.

[thegreatdivine]

kimberly they actually did. This was my post.

Jan 31, 2021 2:25:07 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

kimberly I think Dua should add 9 more songs instead of 6: Un Dia, Prisoner, That Kind of Woman, Fever, Levitating w/DaBaby, maybe even throw in the Sugar remix and 3 new tracks to bring it to a cute 20-track total, but oh well.

[kimberly]

Jan 31, 2021 3:08:42 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

kimberly they actually did. This was my post.

Jan 31, 2021 2:25:07 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

kimberly I think Dua should add 9 more songs instead of 6: Un Dia, Prisoner, That Kind of Woman, Fever, Levitating w/DaBaby, maybe even throw in the Sugar remix and 3 new tracks to bring it to a cute 20-track total, but oh well.

what I mean is she's adding 6 songs + Fever and Levitating (which are already included on Spotify and the bonus edition CD that was released after Studio 2054).

[thegreatdivine]

Jan 31, 2021 3:12:13 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jan 31, 2021 3:08:42 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

kimberly they actually did. This was my post.

what I mean is she's adding 6 songs + Fever and Levitating (which are already included on Spotify and the bonus edition CD that was released after Studio 2054).

Oh, I get you now. So 19 songs in total? Neat. And wow at her featuring JID on a song. That's a great look for him. I'm always here for popstar/rapper collabs.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

While it does feel like a cheap way to increase an album's total streams, I don't necessarily object to this practice of adding past collaborations to an album's deluxe edition, as long as they fit the project sonically or thematically. "Sunflower" suits "Hollywood's Bleeding", "Promises" suits "Love Goes", and the likes of "One Kiss", "Scared To Be Lonely", and "Electricity" work well as deluxe tracks as a bridge between both eras. Also, thegreatdivine brought up "Teenage Dream" as a deluxe edition done right, and turns out that even that had "If We Ever Meet Again" and "Starstrukk" tacked on the original release (as you can see on Spotify). Rihanna also had "If I Never See Your Face Again" with Maroon 5 on "Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded".

However, I am more bothered by this instance since the "Moonlight Edition" was initially presented as a Side B for "Future Nostalgia", and it's disappointing when two out of only six tracks are past collaborations, and while "Prisoner" does suit the album sonically, "Un Dia" is going to stick out like a sore thumb. And we know Dua Lipa was not lacking unreleased tracks from this era.

That's my take on it.

[GP]

Jan 28, 2021 11:37:00 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

Jan 28, 2021 7:10:13 GMT -5 GP said:

There's a date for the Moonlight Edition oop

Finally, when?

not many days

Jan 30, 2021 16:53:24 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jan 30, 2021 14:21:17 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

I don't know. I just know it sets a bad precedent and that it would become a huge issue if the biggest rappers (who are usually the biggest streaming acts) started to do that with all their features.

I mean, biggest rappers tack entire new albums onto their albums as a "deluxe" to boost it instead of calling it what it is... Or release full-length projects without calling them albums, like Drake & Megan Thee Stallion, both artists I respect.

This is just a strategic decision on Warner's part and it's all about wording. Billie Eilish tacked "everything I wanted" on WWAFAWDWG, Lizzo tacked "Good as Hell" on Cuz I Love You (Super Deluxe Edition), Beyoncé tacked "Black Parade" on The Gift.

Considering Dua is a co-lead for all but one of the songs she tacked on her debut album ("No Lie" being the exception), I don't really understand what the issue is. Same thing for Future Nostalgia. She's a co-lead for "Un Dia" and "Fever." And I honestly don't know why she isn't a co-lead on "Prisoner" because she carries that song. 

"FEFE" was an iffy situation because Queen already had a deluxe version without it. Nicki released a "bonus track version" on streaming services mid-week to boost numbers, and then removed it from streaming a week later.

I feel like we have this conversation every month ff

Regarding it, I'm not thrilled about Un Dia since it doesnt feel Future Nostalgia, but we know that Dua likes to make Complete Editions so she can have a whole era on an album. I don't mind this at all.

Also, we're getting a new single and it's the solo We're Good. She's not thinking of relying on the features (will UD or Prisoner even outstream Physical?)

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I mean, she can do whatever she wants, but there's a difference between an "album" and an "era". People should always be precise about these things, because it just feels wrong to see "Dua Lipa" higher than some streaming giants like "X", "Purpose", "Scorpion" and "When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?".

Like I said before, "Dua Lipa" is the most streamed female era, and "When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?" is the most streamed female album, on Spotify.

[Juan Carlos]

Jan 31, 2021 5:38:38 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

However, I am more bothered by this instance since the "Moonlight Edition" was initially presented as a Side B for "Future Nostalgia", and it's disappointing when two out of only six tracks are past collaborations, and while "Prisoner" does suit the album sonically, "Un Dia" is going to stick out like a sore thumb. And we know Dua Lipa was not lacking unreleased tracks from this era.

I basically agree with this.

I think there was a misinterpretation of terms on Dua's behalf when she mentioned multiple times that there was going to be a Side B of the album when it was going to be a deluxe/re-issue instead, although I'm wondering if there was initially a Side B plan and this was scrapped in favour of the latter. Personally, when an artist announces a Side B project, I assume most people get the idea that a couple of songs which didn't make the cut are going to be released as a complement of the album, like the Sides B of Emotion and Dedicated, for example. As a consequence, the inclusion of "Un Día" and "Prisoner" seem off in a Side B project, but they are valid in a deluxe/re-issue edition instead.

Anyway, terms aside, I don't think "Un Día" will stick out like a sore thumb as you said. I mean, it's correct that it doesn't suit with the album sonically, like "Prisoner", "That Kind of Woman" and "If It Ain't Me", but it will be with "We're Good". Even, "Not My Problem" suits with "Good In Bed", so I would say that there will be something cohesive on all the songs, despite that two of the four new songs don't necessarily fit with the disco theme.

Also, as you said, she also has plenty of unreleased tracks recorded for this era, so I'm wondering which are the plans for them.

[Choco]

I'm still mad that (apparently) "Love is Religion" doesn't appear in any version. I've fallen in love with the remix, but the original is a nice song too.

I haven't heard the leaks but the fact that it seems like a collection of random tracks instead of an actual extension of what we loved from the original is a little disappointing.

I'm still excited for new(-ish) material tho.

[Juan Carlos]

"Levitating" has reached the Top 5 in the US. Also, teasers have begun. Let's pretend that we don't know anything about this, I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKxDe9TMkUM

[musicspy]

Imo, if a rerelease is coming within the next month they should keep riding with Levitating too. The rerelease will boost it higher when it has a large audience

[FutureNostalgia]

Feb 1, 2021 19:48:22 GMT -5 musicspy said:

Imo, if a rerelease is coming within the next month they should keep riding with Levitating too. The rerelease will boost it higher when it has a large audience

It's coming next week 🥴

[Choco]

I thought the single was coming next week, not the full re-release?

I think just dropping it is a good idea tho, especially when building much hype will only get people to inevitably run into the ancient leaks.

[Choco]

And... she's out again lmao.

[Juan Carlos]

New teaser.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKz8YDZs9xB

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Feb 2, 2021 20:55:47 GMT -5 Choco said:

And... she's out again lmao.

At least she's wearing a mask this time - an improvement to Dua's usual standards 

[kacpi]

The artwork for We're Good.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Love it! Hot take here, but it might be my favorite single cover so far. The 'Dua Lipa' logo suits the cover surprisingly well (and I love the light green hue), and I appreciate how the "We're Good" title was formatted like the "Future Nostalgia" logo.

Not to mention she looks great - giving me some Lily Allen vibes. ❤

Hoping the song makes it justice!

[FutureNostalgia]

Feb 3, 2021 3:15:21 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Feb 2, 2021 20:55:47 GMT -5 Choco said:

And... she's out again lmao.

At least she's wearing a mask this time

As always?!!?

[Juan Carlos]

Feb 3, 2021 6:25:17 GMT -5 FutureNostalgia said:

Feb 3, 2021 3:15:21 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

At least she's wearing a mask this time

As always?!!?

It depends.

Although I'm with you that she wears a mask when she's outside and/or around other people, there have been a couple of times that she has been spotted without one, but those times have been basically around her circle of friends or team. I think the most notorious have been when she posted some BTS pictures of Studio 2054 at Printworks and none of the people around her wore a mask, even her. I assume that all the crew (people who are and aren't close to Dua) were tested, but this doesn't exclude someone to not wear one as a precaution to not get infected. The same, in a sort of way, could be said when she was in Mexico and the pictures we've seen from her were without a mask. However, as I mentioned before, she was with Anwar and her friends in all of them, so Dua probably thinks that she doesn't need to wear one when she's around them.

That said, I'm not condoning Dua for not using a mask around her friends because she should wear one every time she's around people, independently if she knows them very well or not.

[Juan Carlos]

The Moonlight Edition of Future Nostalgia will be out next week.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CK4QYsFM53j

[born]

I so missed proper pop album eras! Give us what we want Dula girl!

PS: Any word on the tracklist yet or is that going to be a separate announcement early next week?

[Juan Carlos]

Feb 4, 2021 14:06:13 GMT -5 born said:

Any word on the tracklist yet or is that going to be a separate announcement early next week?

This is the tracklist of the Moonlight edition of Future Nostalgia.

12. "Fever" (with Angèle)
13. "We're Good"
14. "Prisoner" (with Miley Cyrus)
15. "If It Ain't Me"
16. "That Kind Of Woman"
17. "Not My Problem" (featuring JID)
18. "Levitating" (featuring DaBaby)
19. "Un Día (One Day)" (with J Balvin, Bad Bunny & Tainy)

It includes the eleven songs from the original version of the album, plus eight additional tracks, including "Fever" and the DaBaby remix of "Levitating" (both of them in the Bonus edition of the album), as well as "Prisoner" and "Un Día (One Day)".

[Deleted]

This is the version Ill be buying physically. The duo one with the club tracks was NOT getting my coins.


After reading the last few pages, I just have to say, I don't mind Dua releasing all of her stuff from one era on to a re-release album and RELEASING it physically or digitally for sale. I am not a fan of someone tacking on a song that isn't part of the era, or from someone else's release just to get it more streams or for bigger numbers for your specific album (like 'Fever' on FN right now). That being said, I do LOVE deluxe CDs, ESPECIALLY when they're released physically, because you have everything all together. A collectors edition of sorts. Moreover, I have her debut album (2 cd combo with her other stand off releases) coming to me in the mail. I love that the extra songs are also on a separate CD, so it's like a listening to a whole other vibe/album, and separately from the original album track listing.

Speaking of tacking on songs, I'm fine with Sam Smith releasing their newest album with the bonus songs -- '...Stranger, To Die For, How Do You Sleep?,' etc., BECAUSE it was supposed to be a part of their album anyway, and it's not tied to any other project. 'Fire on Fire' and 'Promises' shouldn't have been though since they weren't their releases, and were already a part of other projects... they could have released the other tracks as part of a special physical release to entice sales, and not to the streaming platforms where it increased/inflated the numbers. P!nk had 'Feel Good Time' on 'Try This,' and that was from a movie soundtrack released on CD (but before streaming days, so it didnt really have an effect on anything). So really, whatever, I don't care, I'm just not a fan of cheap tactics for streaming sake.

[Choco]

no "Love is Religion"