Billboard Hot 100: 12/22/2018

[mackattack]

I’m hoping Breathin can make it. It’s very possible considering how weak the bottom half of the top 10 is (everything seems to be falling besides AIWFCIY).

[Deleted]

Dec 11, 2018 22:52:50 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 11, 2018 17:20:45 GMT -5 @mello said:

This was discussed a bit in last week's thread.  Aside from being very beloved and popular songs to begin with, streaming has made this kind of Hot 100 activity substantially more possible.  Holiday songs are trackable and much more accessible now without having to purchase them, and more and more people are streaming with each passing year.  For many years (decades), people would rely on radio for holiday music, or their own collection of CDs and/or mp3s - the latter of which obviously plays weren't tracked.  Now we have massive amounts of streams pouring in, all being counted towards the charts.  That combined with a few rule changes over the years allowing older songs to chart year after year.

I suspect there will be a plateau in the coming years, but, for now we're seeing holiday songs increase in peak right along with streaming growth.

This is all true to an extent, but the streaming positions for holiday songs are higher than ever so they do seem to be more popular this year than the past few years.

Along with streaming's growth in numbers, its demographics are also expanding/diversifying.  The age of the average streamer is ticking upward with each passing year, which, to me, makes it logical that holiday music would have a stronger presence on the streaming charts because of it.  The holiday playlists on platforms like Spotify are undoubtedly very popular with holiday parties and businesses/workplaces - often replacing radio or "owned" music plays in these scenarios, thus increasing streams and chart power of holiday songs - specifically in relation to current hits. 

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/12/12
1. (=) PANIC! AT THE DISCO - High Hopes (157.726) (+0.944) ***
2. (=) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (142.614) (-0.304)
3. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - Breathin (116.424) (+0.667)
4. (+2) HALSEY - Without Me (97.640) (+1.434)
5. (-1) 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - Youngblood (94.980) (-1.968)
6. (-1) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You (94.915) (-1.324)
7. (=) POST MALONE - Better Now (84.920) (-0.610)
8. (=) KHALID X NORMANI - Love Lies (84.850) (-0.062)
9. (=) TRAVIS SCOTT - Sicko Mode (83.386) (+0.321)
10. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - thank u, next (82.820) (+4.159)
11. (=) BENNY BLANCO, HALSEY & KHALID - Eastside (79.076) (+0.861)
12. (=) LOVELYTHEBAND - Broken (73.188) (-0.855)
13. (=) ELLA MAI - Trip (69.939) (+0.374) ***
14. (=) GUCCI MANE/BRUNO/KODAK - Wake Up In The Sky (58.616) (+0.291)
15. (=) LUKE COMBS - She Got The Best Of Me (56.063) (-0.596)
16. (+1) JIMMIE ALLEN - Best Shot (55.956) (+0.065)
17. (-1) KANE BROWN - Lose It (55.890) (-0.612)
18. (+1) POST MALONE & SWAE LEE - Sunflower (55.430) (+0.359)
19. (-1) LAUV - I Like Me Better (54.946) (-0.416)
20. (+1) BAD BUNNY - MIA f/Drake (54.406) (+0.373)

Others:
21. (+1) DAN + SHAY - Speechless (54.232) (+0.943)
23. (+2) LIL WAYNE - Uproar (49.732) (+0.796)
26. (+1) BAZZI - Beautiful (46.695) (+0.555)
28. (+2) DJ SNAKE/SELENA/OZUNA/CARDI B - Taki Taki (44.925) (+0.813)
30. (+3) THOMAS RHETT - Sixteen (43.267) (+0.746)
35. (+3) KODAK BLACK - Zeze f/Travis Scott & Offset (41.968) (+0.777)
39. (+1) DUSTIN LYNCH - Good Girl (41.164) (+0.695)
42. (+1) JASON ALDEAN - Girl Like You (36.424) (+0.501)
44. (+1) FLIPP DINERO - Leave Me Alone (35.442) (+1.082)
46. (+1) CAMILA CABELLO - Consequences (34.650) (+1.012)
47. (+1) LIL BABY & GUNNA - Drip Too Hard (34.486) (+1.161)
53. (+2) KHALID - Better (30.980) (+0.642)
54. (+2) ELLIE GOULDING X DIPLO - Close To Me f/Swae Lee (30.939) (+1.126)
59. (=) CARDI B - Money (29.289) (+0.535)[/quote]

[chartfreak]

Dec 12, 2018 3:24:07 GMT -5 mackattack said:

I’m hoping Breathin can make it. It’s very possible considering how weak the bottom half of the top 10 is (everything seems to be falling besides AIWFCIY).

Crazy if Ariana TUN blocks Mariah to reach #1 and Mariah is the reason for a #11 peak for Breathin.

(I know the chances of Mariah being #1 is low, but just sayin)

[livelightning]

Dec 12, 2018 9:18:44 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/12/12
2. (=) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (142.614) (-0.304)

Noo stop dropping.

[tanooki]

Hot damn @ without me

[atg]

Imagine if AIWFCIY hits #1 and then barely makes the 2019 YE. That would honestly make the charts 10x better

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 12, 2018 11:59:02 GMT -5 atg said:

Imagine if AIWFCIY hits #1 and then barely makes the 2019 YE. That would honestly make the charts 10x better

Lol if it never makes a year end chart, was it ever a hit? Many here would say no.

[areyoureadytojump]

I still don't understand posters here who are obsessed with the year-end charts.

I've been following the Hot 100 for 30+ years. I rarely remember any of the year-end Top 10s.

Link to Wikpedia that lists the year-end Hot 100 charts:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End

[jenglisbe]

Apparently "We Don't Talk Anymore" passed 2 billion views, one of less than 30 videos to do so. Huh? I don't recall it being that huge of a hit in any particular country.

[Gary]

Yeah the 2019 year end charts discussion while the 2018 charts just came out is puzzling but - oh well that is where the interest is.

Me personally, I am a huge fan of year end charts too but usually only at year end

[amore]

Im a huge fan of the worldwide year end charts. I dont take the Billboard one too seriously considering it only counts for the US. Worldwide charts reflect the actual popularity of the song on a Worldwide scale.

[kimberly]

Dec 12, 2018 9:18:44 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/12/12
1. (=) PANIC! AT THE DISCO - High Hopes (157.726) (+0.944) ***
2. (=) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (142.614) (-0.304)
3. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - Breathin (116.424) (+0.667)
4. (+2) HALSEY - Without Me (97.640) (+1.434)
5. (-1) 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - Youngblood (94.980) (-1.968)
6. (-1) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You (94.915) (-1.324)
7. (=) POST MALONE - Better Now (84.920) (-0.610)
8. (=) KHALID X NORMANI - Love Lies (84.850) (-0.062)
9. (=) TRAVIS SCOTT - Sicko Mode (83.386) (+0.321)
10. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - thank u, next (82.820) (+4.159)

TUN can move 10-7 tomorrow and I'm here for it. Ariana will have 2 songs in the Top 5 of radio soon.

[moonlite]

Dec 12, 2018 2:48:25 GMT -5 dynamac said:

New Kodak album Friday. Three album bomb weeks in a row seems imminent.

21 Savage dropping the following week and he has J. Cole, Post, Gambino, Offset and Lil Baby features. So make that 4 weeks in a row.

[lazer]

I never thought I'd say this but I prefer a 21 Savage album bomb than a Kodak Black album bomb.

[cassiuscasanova]

Dec 12, 2018 17:43:10 GMT -5 lazer said:

I never thought I'd say this but I prefer a 21 Savage album bomb than a Kodak Black album bomb.

I like his voice for some reason

[owenlovesmusic]

21 Savage >>>>>>>>>> Kodak Black

[Deleted]

Actually looking forward to the new Kodak album, he’s been making good stuff recently

Not a fan of 21, but looking forward to the Lil Baby and Cole features

[willapted33]

I used to hate 21 but holy shit Don't Come Out the House & 10 Freaky Girls (from Metro's album) are amazing. Really looking forward to the album

[hot100predictions]

MoshPit by Kodak Black featuring Juice WRLD was just released. Added #1 on RapCaviar already and will likely make a major impact on the charts next week.

[hot100predictions]

It seems two major components for top 10 debuts (Imagine; MoshPit for next week; 12/29 chart).

[Deleted]

Dec 12, 2018 14:00:04 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apparently "We Don't Talk Anymore" passed 2 billion views, one of less than 30 videos to do so. Huh? I don't recall it being that huge of a hit in any particular country.

Maybe not when it was still an ongoing hit, but the song is literally instantly recognizable here, even by people who don't speak English.

[Golden Bluebird]

[owenlovesmusic]

Sunflower is doing picking up really well on sales and airplay and still is strong and streaming. Should return to the top 10 within the next few weeks.

[korbel16]

Dec 12, 2018 22:11:07 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

Sunflower is doing picking up really well on sales and airplay and still is strong and streaming. Should return to the top 10 within the next few weeks.

especially the movie effect that’ll take place after the spider man movie comes out. Like how shallow did

[KeepDeanWeird]

Dec 12, 2018 13:46:10 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

I still don't understand posters here who are obsessed with the year-end charts.

I've been following the Hot 100 for 30+ years. I rarely remember any of the year-end Top 10s.

Link to Wikpedia that lists the year-end Hot 100 charts:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End

2016: #6 Panda; #7 Hello.... that pretty much sums up the arbitrary (and irrelevant) nature of Billboard’s YE list.

[85la]

Dec 12, 2018 22:57:24 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Dec 12, 2018 13:46:10 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

I still don't understand posters here who are obsessed with the year-end charts.

I've been following the Hot 100 for 30+ years. I rarely remember any of the year-end Top 10s.

Link to Wikpedia that lists the year-end Hot 100 charts:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End

2016: #6 Panda; #7 Hello.... that pretty much sums up the arbitrary (and irrelevant) nature of Billboard’s YE list.

This argument doesn't hold any merit. You're forgetting that Hello's first 3 weeks at #1 were during the 2015 chart year, for which it came in at #35. The tabulation of the year-end charts are definitely not perfect nor strongly consistent, but it's silly to say they're arbitrary and irrelevant. They do use objective chart points accumulated during the year based on actual sales, airplay, and streaming.

Yes, some may not be interested at all in the year-end charts, some are obsessed with it down to a t, different strokes for different folks; I've only been following the Hot 100 for about 15 years, but can indeed remember almost all the year-end top 10s in that time. I'm not the most obsessive year-end follower, but to me it does give an overall better idea of how big of a hit a song was that a week-by-week ranking can't always indicate. For instance, in 2016 a two-week #1, Love Yourself, was #1 for the year, while this year, another two-week #1, This Is America, was only #51, so that gives me a clear indication that Love Yourself was in all probability a much bigger hit.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I think the point made was that people often use yearend charts as a be all end all for how big a hit was, failing to acknowledge that it’s simply a snapshot of a longer period of time than a weekly chart is.

[groovetheory]

Dec 12, 2018 19:28:56 GMT -5 trilogy said:

Dec 12, 2018 14:00:04 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apparently "We Don't Talk Anymore" passed 2 billion views, one of less than 30 videos to do so. Huh? I don't recall it being that huge of a hit in any particular country.

Maybe not when it was still an ongoing hit, but the song is literally instantly recognizable here, even by people who don't speak English.

It's infectious. Imagine its views if Selena was actually in the video.

[Deleted]

Dec 13, 2018 7:31:15 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I think the point made was that people often use yearend charts as a be all end all for how big a hit was, failing to acknowledge that it’s simply a snapshot of a longer period of time than a weekly chart is.

Agreed. 

I'd say the one thing that YE charts do is act as a historical snapshot of a year in popular music for future generations to reference. Your average Joe probably isn't going to look at all the weekly charts retrospectively, he's going to google "hits of 1993" and see the YE chart on Wikipedia.  If a song isn't listed, it will probably get overlooked unless he chooses to dig deeper.

This is why I understand the interest in them and the importance (to some who watch closely) to have certain songs make it in, not be caught in-between years, etc.