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Post by Naos on May 19, 2020 3:04:29 GMT -5
Hot 100: #72 (+13)
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Post by TeamTitleist on Jun 8, 2020 7:12:47 GMT -5
Very happy to see another Top 5. Interested to see what the plan is for a push for #1. I think it will come down to either Kenny or Scotty for #1 in 2 weeks. After that Luke will more than likely enter the #1 race. Would imagine Travis would drop like a rock this week, leaving Carly/Lee with #1 this week. Then the week after it will be Kenny or Scotty. One of them will get a #1, the other might have to settle for a #2. If someone would have said Seasons Change would create 2 #1's and another Top 5 I would have been very happy, but hoping Triple Tigers can somehow get that last push for a 3rd #1.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 8, 2020 7:25:49 GMT -5
Very happy to see another Top 5. Interested to see what the plan is for a push for #1. I think it will come down to either Kenny or Scotty for #1 in 2 weeks. After that Luke will more than likely enter the #1 race. Would imagine Travis would drop like a rock this week, leaving Carly/Lee with #1 this week. Then the week after it will be Kenny or Scotty. One of them will get a #1, the other might have to settle for a #2. If someone would have said Seasons Change would create 2 #1's and another Top 5 I would have been very happy, but hoping Triple Tigers can somehow get that last push for a 3rd #1. Yeah this upcoming week is the Carly/Lee push week and judging by the CCUSA schedule Scotty McCreery will begin his push next week. Which I do think will hit the Mediabase #1, Billboard I am a little less sure of since Kenny Chesney has a good lead on Billboard, and both Sam Hunt and Luke Bryan are gaining very well. |
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Post by Naos on Jun 9, 2020 2:43:04 GMT -5
Hot 100: #69 (+12)
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Post by baltized on Jun 10, 2020 20:11:59 GMT -5
There is absolutely 0 chance this gets to #1 or anywhere close to it. The absolute highest I see this going is scraping the top 20. It'll most likely land somewhere in the 16-20 range for its peak. Love this song, but I'm ready for it to just sneak into the top 20 and for them to just drop it and move on asap. About that... Like I said before, his label is a good place to be. I love that Triple Tigers is invested in their artists. Gone West could hit #1 this year also. I knew the label wasn’t ready to break their streak yet. At this point I would be surprised to not see this go #1. |
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 10, 2020 20:33:33 GMT -5
There is absolutely 0 chance this gets to #1 or anywhere close to it. The absolute highest I see this going is scraping the top 20. It'll most likely land somewhere in the 16-20 range for its peak. Love this song, but I'm ready for it to just sneak into the top 20 and for them to just drop it and move on asap. About that... Like I said before, his label is a good place to be. I love that Triple Tigers is invested in their artists. Gone West could hit #1 this year also. I knew the label wasn’t ready to break their streak yet. At this point I would be surprised to not see this go #1. TBF at the time it looked like Scotty McCreery was one step out the door with this song. His label was able to find some cracks and really benefit from a weaker chart and now chart runs lasting into 60+ weeks. Now as far as Gone West is concerned, yeah I don't see them hitting #1 when on Billboard in the span of 5 months they have gained 1 position. There is moving slow (Scotty McCreery) and then there is pretty much no movement at all (Gone West). Maybe they hit Top 20 but I see that as the ceiling |
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Post by TeamTitleist on Jun 16, 2020 10:44:00 GMT -5
Hot 100: #63 (+6)
Up almost 400 spins and 2.3M AI since Sunday. Billboard #1 will be very tough, but hoping for a Mediabase #1.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 12:31:55 GMT -5
Hot 100: #63 (+6) Up almost 400 spins and 2.3M AI since Sunday. Billboard #1 will be very tough, but hoping for a Mediabase #1. They are only hoping for mediabase. |
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 17, 2020 12:56:21 GMT -5
I think there’s a chance this can reach #1 on Billboard Country Airplay too — it’ll certainly be #1 on Mediabase this week.
”In Between” was at #8 this past week on Billboard but only 4.0 million in audience separated songs 2-8 and “I Hope You’re Happy Now” is losing a massive amount of spins and audience. Scotty’s already gained nearly 4.0 million in Mediabase audience this week and we still have four updates remaining. Meanwhile, Carly and Lee have lost nearly 6.0 million in Mediabase audience — a huge drop in airplay (stations wanted rid of it a while ago, based off mediocre testing).
Its a unique situation because no other song is gaining substantially in the top 8 and someone’s got to be #1 on Billboard...
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 17, 2020 13:38:02 GMT -5
If it wasn't for the fact that we just had Travis Denning hit #1 with a 71 week promoted song, I would be more offended about this hitting #1. As it stands, I am kind of just numb to the whole thing of how the chart runs have seemingly gotten more long.
All I have to say is to country radio, here are imo some options to be considered
1. Grow some balls country radio and when a song hits a certain amount of weeks and it is in a lack luster or lower position just stall it out and tell the label "Tough shit get another song, that connects". Songs should not be spending upwards to 40 to 50 weeks just to peak in the 20s ("To a T", "Doin Fine") or take 60+ weeks to peak at #1 (this and Travis Denning) that is a sign of a song that has no to minimal passion, streaming, sales and will be forgotten of within a year. For example does anyone outside of superfans remember songs like "Caught Up In The Country"? Probably not. Testing should not be the end all be all when it is inherently flawed only samples a pretty small sample of country radio listeners (you are telling me that "After A Few" is country radio listeners 4th Favorite song when the music video only has two thirds of the likes "Getting Good by Lauren Alaina has and around one fifth of the likes "I Hope You're Happy Now" has? Bullshit!) and always handicaps women.
2. If you insist on these 60+ chart runs than the same better be there for female artists and singles from Maddie & Tae, Ashley McBryde, Lauren Alaina, Tenille Arts and Runaway June better also have close to 60 weeks as well or hit #1 since it seems like all these songs that have these extended chart runs are sung by men. Even marathon esque chart runs by females ("I Got The Boy", "Buy My Own Drinks") could not top in at 50 weeks.
Like outside of Scotty McCreery superfans is anyone going to remember this song within a couple of years? This isn't the most hollow #1 but man it is pretty high up there.
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Post by loveofmusic on Jun 17, 2020 15:01:47 GMT -5
If we are basing singles on streaming, sales, etc., this shouldn't be a #1. Neither would Travis Denning "After A Few." These 2 are instances of long chart runs that had higher peaks than they should. But there's also singles such as Chris Young's "Hangin' On" which took less weeks, but also had very little buzz, sales, etc. That single shouldn't have climbed as high as it did either (#2 on Billboard, #1 on Mediabase). I could lump all these songs as songs you won't remember in a year. It doesn't matter that they took 40-50 or 65 weeks to peak.
I doubt all these factors matter to radio. Radio PD's aren't going to research every single and its sales, streaming, etc. It's one of the main reasons I think callouts matter because the data is all there for them.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 17, 2020 15:15:06 GMT -5
If we are basing singles on streaming, sales, etc., this shouldn't be a #1. Neither would Travis Denning "After A Few." These 2 are instances of long chart runs that had higher peaks than they should. But there's also singles such as Chris Young's "Hangin' On" which took less weeks, but also had very little buzz, sales, etc. That single shouldn't have climbed as high as it did either (#2 on Billboard, #1 on Mediabase). I could lump all these songs as songs you won't remember in a year. It doesn't matter that they took 40-50 or 65 weeks to peak. I doubt all these factors matter to radio. Radio PD's aren't going to research every single and its sales, streaming, etc. It's one of the main reasons I think callouts matter because the data is all there for them. I mean for me it goes without saying that songs that have and/or generate little to no buzz do not deserve #1 regardless of how many weeks they took to climb the chart, but and most of the times songs that do spend these marathon chart runs are songs that won't be remembered and had no buzz to them. They should matter to radio though, sales and streams are what shows actual interest a lot more than testing, I mean holy cow I have listened to the radio for the last decade and I have never once gotten anything for a survey for calout scores. Meanwhile countless people use stuff like Spotify or YouTube every day for music, and you would think country radio would want to play the stuff that is actually popular, beyond just testing is flawed (there is no way in hell "After A Few" is more of a favorite among country music fans than "I Hope You're Happy Now" there is just no way) Also it is not that difficult to research every singles sales and streams for radio, each radio station can easily just have a Spotify and/or YouTube Playlist of all the songs being promoted to country radio and have a person check on it once a week even to see what songs are connecting and which ones are not within the timeframe of said week. |
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Post by TeamTitleist on Jun 17, 2020 15:52:47 GMT -5
Sabre....hoping this can get the Billboard #1. Lots of room to make up, but as you mentioned IB is making a move and others are not.
As for radio, I've said it before, the label is the driver. I'm thankful for Triple Tigers and the support they give Scotty, Russell and now Gone West. They seem to be a great team and are focused on getting results for their artists. Other labels if you are not one of the top acts you don't get as much attention, it's that simple. Sometimes it is better to be on a smaller label with laser focus than be on a big label and get lost in the shuffle. Maybe that is part of the reason why some songs peak lower than their superfans believe they should.
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Post by loveofmusic on Jun 17, 2020 16:38:29 GMT -5
If we are basing singles on streaming, sales, etc., this shouldn't be a #1. Neither would Travis Denning "After A Few." These 2 are instances of long chart runs that had higher peaks than they should. But there's also singles such as Chris Young's "Hangin' On" which took less weeks, but also had very little buzz, sales, etc. That single shouldn't have climbed as high as it did either (#2 on Billboard, #1 on Mediabase). I could lump all these songs as songs you won't remember in a year. It doesn't matter that they took 40-50 or 65 weeks to peak. I doubt all these factors matter to radio. Radio PD's aren't going to research every single and its sales, streaming, etc. It's one of the main reasons I think callouts matter because the data is all there for them. I mean for me it goes without saying that songs that have and/or generate little to no buzz do not deserve #1 regardless of how many weeks they took to climb the chart, but and most of the times songs that do spend these marathon chart runs are songs that won't be remembered and had no buzz to them. They should matter to radio though, sales and streams are what shows actual interest a lot more than testing, I mean holy cow I have listened to the radio for the last decade and I have never once gotten anything for a survey for calout scores. Meanwhile countless people use stuff like Spotify or YouTube every day for music, and you would think country radio would want to play the stuff that is actually popular, beyond just testing is flawed (there is no way in hell "After A Few" is more of a favorite among country music fans than "I Hope You're Happy Now" there is just no way) Also it is not that difficult to research every singles sales and streams for radio, each radio station can easily just have a Spotify and/or YouTube Playlist of all the songs being promoted to country radio and have a person check on it once a week even to see what songs are connecting and which ones are not within the timeframe of said week. It goes back to whether radio cares about streaming, sales, etc. Country Aircheck releases annual data from radio PD's how they decide to increase spins for singles. For the last several years, the same factors are at the top of the list:local callouts, national callouts, station freebies (Ex. concerts), gut feeling, & fits the station playlist. Sales is a Top 10 factor, but streaming is not. The data consistently shows radio still relies on callouts & what the corporate people like or think will do well. |
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 17, 2020 16:59:42 GMT -5
Are they going for the #1 here? It looks like Carly and Lee are falling pretty quickly and Kenny and Scotty are the next ones up. Has the label released any max spins ads yet?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 17, 2020 17:33:16 GMT -5
Are they going for the #1 here? It looks like Carly and Lee are falling pretty quickly and Kenny and Scotty are the next ones up. Has the label released any max spins ads yet? Yes, the #1 push is on for this one. |
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 17, 2020 18:37:54 GMT -5
Are they going for the #1 here? It looks like Carly and Lee are falling pretty quickly and Kenny and Scotty are the next ones up. Has the label released any max spins ads yet? Yes, the #1 push is on for this one. Kind of crazy that Travis Denning and Scotty can have songs chart for 60+ weeks and hit #1, and other artists stall in the 20s and 30s. I’m honestly surprised that this song is about to be #1 considering how it was performing earlier in its chart run. |
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 17, 2020 20:31:46 GMT -5
I mean for me it goes without saying that songs that have and/or generate little to no buzz do not deserve #1 regardless of how many weeks they took to climb the chart, but and most of the times songs that do spend these marathon chart runs are songs that won't be remembered and had no buzz to them. They should matter to radio though, sales and streams are what shows actual interest a lot more than testing, I mean holy cow I have listened to the radio for the last decade and I have never once gotten anything for a survey for calout scores. Meanwhile countless people use stuff like Spotify or YouTube every day for music, and you would think country radio would want to play the stuff that is actually popular, beyond just testing is flawed (there is no way in hell "After A Few" is more of a favorite among country music fans than "I Hope You're Happy Now" there is just no way) Also it is not that difficult to research every singles sales and streams for radio, each radio station can easily just have a Spotify and/or YouTube Playlist of all the songs being promoted to country radio and have a person check on it once a week even to see what songs are connecting and which ones are not within the timeframe of said week. It goes back to whether radio cares about streaming, sales, etc. Country Aircheck releases annual data from radio PD's how they decide to increase spins for singles. For the last several years, the same factors are at the top of the list:local callouts, national callouts, station freebies (Ex. concerts), gut feeling, & fits the station playlist. Sales is a Top 10 factor, but streaming is not. The data consistently shows radio still relies on callouts & what the corporate people like or think will do well. The fact that streaming is not even a Top 10 factor is just astonishing, because streaming is how the vast majority of people consume music nowadays, and it shows how out of touch radio is, because it does feel like while radio is ultimately still relevant, less people listen to it or go to XM radio/personal playlists and I have to imagine for country music a contributing factor is for allowing these total nothing of singles that generate little buzz get so high, and for some it is also the lack of women. To country radio trust the consumer beyond the callout scores. Because callout is only a small sample. |
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Post by Darkest Hour on Jun 17, 2020 23:54:19 GMT -5
The fact that streaming is not even a Top 10 factor is just astonishing, because streaming is how the vast majority of people consume music nowadays, and it shows how out of touch radio is, because it does feel like while radio is ultimately still relevant, less people listen to it or go to XM radio/personal playlists and I have to imagine for country music a contributing factor is for allowing these total nothing of singles that generate little buzz get so high, and for some it is also the lack of women. To country radio trust the consumer beyond the callout scores. Because callout is only a small sample. Is streaming being a competitor to traditional radio a factor that radio chose to disregard it? Maybe to stand out from streaming playlists, radio would play songs that listeners change the channel the least (after all, callout indicates this) instead of songs that perform well in other metrics (downloads, streaming) but are polarizing for radio. |
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Post by baltized on Jun 17, 2020 23:57:18 GMT -5
Yes, the #1 push is on for this one. Kind of crazy that Travis Denning and Scotty can have songs chart for 60+ weeks and hit #1, and other artists stall in the 20s and 30s. I’m honestly surprised that this song is about to be #1 considering how it was performing earlier in its chart run. It’s nice that they have labels committed to them. I think both of them deserve success. Both are relatively young so I hope that they are the future of country music. |
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 18, 2020 0:14:07 GMT -5
Sabre....hoping this can get the Billboard #1. Lots of room to make up, but as you mentioned IB is making a move and others are not. As for radio, I've said it before, the label is the driver. I'm thankful for Triple Tigers and the support they give Scotty, Russell and now Gone West. They seem to be a great team and are focused on getting results for their artists. Other labels if you are not one of the top acts you don't get as much attention, it's that simple. Sometimes it is better to be on a smaller label with laser focus than be on a big label and get lost in the shuffle. Maybe that is part of the reason why some songs peak lower than their superfans believe they should. "Here and Now" should be in contention as well, but Kenny's only gained 1.4 million in Mediabase audience since Sunday; he started 2.0 million ahead of Scotty on Billboard Airplay on Monday. Scotty's making up a ton of ground and "I Hope You're Happy Now" is losing way much audience to grab a second week. It'll definitely be Scotty or Kenny taking Billboard Airplay this week. What's working in Triple Tigers favor is they have a full staff and only working three artists right now. Nobody has more money than big corporate labels like UMG, Sony and Warner, but those labels are on rigid schedules -- especially Warner, who keeps all their artists on a long schedule for single releases. I know it's frustrating when singles stall out but I don't agree that labels don't promote certain artists enough or don't push a single enough at radio. What you see in Country Aircheck or Billboard's Country update is not all they do for promotion. Label reps literally send emails every single day to radio staff, and I mean every day to the monitored stations' program directors. Sometimes they even send texts if they're friends with someone in radio. So much of it goes on behind the scenes that listeners don't get to see. Corporate radio is such a ball and chain for the quality and variety of playlists -- as well as singles slowly rising and stalling. Corporate programmers put a heavy emphasis on research and many PD's barely get a say in what they play anymore. |
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Post by tomgsinger on Jun 19, 2020 10:21:00 GMT -5
The push for this one is truly insane. We’re looking at a 1600+ bullet for Sunday... is that a record?
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 19, 2020 10:26:58 GMT -5
The push for this one is truly insane. We’re looking at a 1600+ bullet for Sunday... is that a record? Yeah it has to be, the only other push I remember being this big was Canaan Smith "Love You Like That" in 2015 (his only hit) but that clocked in at 1421 spins gained. |
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jun 19, 2020 10:42:10 GMT -5
^ Jordan Davis also had a 1466 bullet at one point during the push week for “Take It From Me”.
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Post by baltized on Jun 19, 2020 13:25:40 GMT -5
Number one! Now let’s hope it sticks there until Sunday.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 19, 2020 13:41:29 GMT -5
^ Jordan Davis also had a 1466 bullet at one point during the push week for “Take It From Me”. I know for a fact this push is the largest so far. |
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Post by Marv on Jun 19, 2020 15:46:50 GMT -5
I should point out that Carly & Lee were not going to get a second week @ #1 @ Mediabase under any circumstances, since that enormous push which got them to #1 wasn't really necessary as things turned out; hopefully we'll get an announcement of her new single soon.
Furthermore, that obligatory 'Thank You Country Radio' ad which appeared in Monday's edition of Country Aircheck confirmed that the tune was done; appreciative ads to country radio like that have been a part of the marketing dept. playbook at every label for ages, since I remember a similarly worded 'Thank You' ad for Runaway June's 'Buy My Own Drinks' ad in a Country Aircheck Weekly issue last fall when that tune reached the top 5 courtesy of a hefty push before it sank like a rock starting the next day. This 'brawl' between Scotty & Kenny for #1 this week should be fun to watch. |
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Jun 20, 2020 10:33:47 GMT -5
I actually had a weird dream last night that “Even Though I’m Leaving” re-entered the chart at #1 because of Father’s Day and this song actually missed #1 after all.
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Post by baltized on Jun 21, 2020 13:50:03 GMT -5
Do I win anything? J/k. ;) I imagine this song is probably gonna make the Top 20 in the next couple of weeks, but soon afterwards I see the label giving up on "In Between" as this song has really begun stalling out the last couple of weeks (lost it's bullet on Billboard last week, and has had a negative or really low bullet for the past few weeks now). Given this song's lack of buzz and interest (#800s all genre on iTunes), this song as honestly done better than it probably should have. I think Triple Tigers will still try to push for number 1. I would imagine they want to keep their #1 song streak going for all their artists. I think Triple Tigers will still try to push for number 1. I would imagine they want to keep their #1 song streak going for all their artists. They won’t. “In Between” has been on the charts for wayyyyyyy too long for #1 to be a possibility. There is absolutely 0 chance this gets to #1 or anywhere close to it. The absolute highest I see this going is scraping the top 20. It'll most likely land somewhere in the 16-20 range for its peak. Love this song, but I'm ready for it to just sneak into the top 20 and for them to just drop it and move on asap. No shade, I can see why some thought this would not make number one, just glad that it did. Congrats to Scotty and his 3rd single in a row to hit number 1! Triple Tigers is killing it- not just with Scotty but all their artists. |
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Post by dixie on Jun 21, 2020 14:09:51 GMT -5
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