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Post by tim on Nov 11, 2020 23:16:49 GMT -5
To add, itβs hard to see anyone having a real shot after this year; Luke Combs seems poised for it next year, and probably for years to follow. So as a Carrie fan, I canβt help but feel the door is quickly closing. As trivial as it is, Carrie going without just one EOTY from the CMA, perhaps forever, is kinda sad... I hope Iβm wrong, but it just doesnβt seem likely given the trajectory of the genre. However, in a weird way Iβm glad Carrie didnβt win. It wouldnβt feel right. Of course I want the achievement for her, but with the whole Garth thing plus not really being that active on the music front and literally having no opportunities to entertain, it just wouldnβt feel like it should, I guess. Iβm glad Eric won, itβs been a long time coming. Iβm not a huge fan of his music, but I recognize heβs one of the genreβs top entertainers. He also has a massive fan base, and they deserve this too. I think this pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. Garth winning in 2017 and 2019 ended up taking years away from when both Eric and Carrie should've won. Both artists are long overdue for the award and it just so happened that many voters probably felt like Eric has been the most overlooked after all of these years.
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Post by stanches2318 on Nov 11, 2020 23:20:51 GMT -5
My top performers was Ingrid and Pardi. My least two were Miranda and Combs (Only because the beat was too loud and I couldnβt hear him sing because of it)
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Post by raylatch98 on Nov 11, 2020 23:21:43 GMT -5
Yeah I am never gonna get the Garth Brooks EOTY wins the past couple of years (or Keith Urban in 2018) as those years really took away from artists like Carrie Underwood and Eric Church and with Luke Combs, Maren Morris, and probably Morgan Wallen (barf) about to take over every award now that isn't duo, group, because they are the biggest things in the genre I do think the ship has sailed for Carrie Underwood and maybe for Eric Church as well after this year.
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Post by kim8 on Nov 11, 2020 23:21:44 GMT -5
I am beyond thrilled that Eric finally won. I screamed so loud I think I woke up my whole neighborhood. Heβs my favorite and Iβve been wanting this for him for a while. Iβm so happy for him. Heβs deserved it for a while so Iβm so grateful they finally awarded him. Now Iβm going to be too hyper to sleep lol.
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Post by raylatch98 on Nov 11, 2020 23:23:38 GMT -5
I just realized Morgan Wallen was the only New Artist to perform his current single as the other 4 performed past #1 hits. I guess that should have been the tell tale sign he was going to win.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 11, 2020 23:26:13 GMT -5
To add, itβs hard to see anyone having a real shot after this year; Luke Combs seems poised for it next year, and probably for years to follow. So as a Carrie fan, I canβt help but feel the door is quickly closing. As trivial as it is, Carrie going without just one EOTY from the CMA, perhaps forever, is kinda sad... I hope Iβm wrong, but it just doesnβt seem likely given the trajectory of the genre. However, in a weird way Iβm glad Carrie didnβt win. It wouldnβt feel right. Of course I want the achievement for her, but with the whole Garth thing plus not really being that active on the music front and literally having no opportunities to entertain, it just wouldnβt feel like it should, I guess. Iβm glad Eric won, itβs been a long time coming. Iβm not a huge fan of his music, but I recognize heβs one of the genreβs top entertainers. He also has a massive fan base, and they deserve this too. I think this pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. Garth winning in 2018 and 2019 ended up taking years away from when both Eric and Carrie should've won. Both artists are long overdue for the award and it just so happened that many voters probably felt like Eric has been the most overlooked after all of these years. Garth won 2016, 2017, 2019. Keith won 2018... But yeah, 2016-2019 shouldβve been the Carrie/Eric time ... looks like voters wanted to make it βrightβ, maybe, and Eric received more of the benefit.
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Post by tim on Nov 11, 2020 23:29:11 GMT -5
Garth won 2016, 2017, 2019. Keith won 2018... But yeah, 2016-2019 shouldβve been the Carrie/Eric time ... looks like voters wanted to make it βrightβ, maybe, and Eric received more of the benefit. Yea I realized one of those mistakes and corrected the year...but my gosh I had all but forgotten about 2016. I'll give Garth one of those years, but the other three were taken from others that should've won otherwise. I'm glad the CMAs weren't quite ready to pass on that torch to Luke before first giving Eric (or Carrie) their due.
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Post by countryisking on Nov 12, 2020 8:50:07 GMT -5
Having Darius sing βIn The Ghettoβ is not a good look IMO Beyond massively problematic.Β Was he not given a choice? He didnβt seem to find issue with it.
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Post by CoJoFan on Nov 12, 2020 9:40:09 GMT -5
What song did Eric Church perform? Iβm guessing his new single βHell Of A Viewβ? I missed the show due to having to be up at 2 am for work. Although I was ecstatic that he won Entertainer. Long overdue for him.
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Post by stanches2318 on Nov 12, 2020 9:55:33 GMT -5
What song did Eric Church perform? Iβm guessing his new single βHell Of A Viewβ? I missed the show due to having to be up at 2 am for work. Although I was ecstatic that he won Entertainer. Long overdue for him. Yes he sung Hell Of A View. He did good.
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Post by schnetzka on Nov 12, 2020 10:30:59 GMT -5
This is really a bad year for Rascal Flatts to disband. First, they had to cancel their tour because Covid. And now they had to back out of what possibly might have been their last award show appearance because of Covid. I wonder if they're going to do anything next year instead.
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Post by taylor on Nov 12, 2020 12:39:28 GMT -5
Didn't watch, but just going through this thread...yikes, what a mess it was. I might watch on DVR only to catch performances (and that look in Carrie's eyes at the end ) so a review might still come from me.
But as for the nominations, I was doing some digging and found 2020 proved at the CMAs to be not only an incredible year for women, but a year full of notable milestones. Get a load of all this: --As the top nominee this year with seven nods, Miranda Lambert overtakes Reba as the most nominated woman in CMA history, with 55 total nominations to Reba's 51. Miranda is now the fourth most-nominated artist behind Brad Paisley (58), Alan Jackson (81) and George Strait (83). --Additionally, with Miranda's nominations for Album, Single and Song of the Year, she matches Alan Jackson (1990, 1991, 1993 and 2002) as the only artist in CMA history to be nominated in all three categories four times (after previously sweeping the categories in 2010, 2014 and 2017). She also ties Brad Paisley as the second most-nominated artist in the Single of the Year category with 8 nominations behind George Strait's nine. --Miranda, Maren Morris and Gabby Barrett's nominations for Single of the Year mark the first time three women have been nominated in the category since 1994 when Mary Chapin Carpenter, Patty Loveless and Reba McEntire were all featured. --Miranda and Carrie Underwood's nominations for Entertainer of the Year marks the first time that two solo women have been nominated in the category at the same time since 1979 when Crystal Gayle and Barbara Mandrell were nominated. --Keith Urban's Entertainer of the Year nod brings his career total to 13 nominations, second only to King George's 19. --Ingrid Andress, Gabby Barrett and Carly Pearce's nominations for New Artist of the Year mark the first time three female artists have been nominated in the category since 1999 when Sara Evans, Chely Wright and eventual winner Jo Dee Messina were nominated. Jimmie Allen's nomination in the category is the first for a Black artist since Darius Rucker won in 2009. --For the first time since the 1977 CMA Awards, all five Single of the Year nominees reached the top thirty on the all-genre Billboard Hot 100 chart.
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Post by slowmo on Nov 12, 2020 18:42:50 GMT -5
Not a surprise. I love the CMAs. This, the Grammys and now the BBMAs (for different reasons) are the award shows that I look forward to the most every single year. This year I had no desire to watch this show at all.
eta: this is a reply to the post below me. lol
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Post by Ernesto on Nov 12, 2020 18:43:11 GMT -5
To the surprise of absolutely nobody who watched it.
The issue was not just the pandemic. They had Luke Combs, Little Big Town, Dan & Shay, and Maren Morris with Reba and Darius hosting. Carrie and Brad were a massive part of why that show had worked for so long...and it showed. It really did!
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 12, 2020 18:56:56 GMT -5
^^ Regarding the above post, why would having Luke Combs, Little Big Town, Dan + Shay, and Maren Morris contribute to the lower rankings? That doesn't make any sense at all.
And you definitely cannot blame the low rankings on Reba being a new host. She's got even more hosting experience than both Carrie and Brad. This show was pretty much DOA regardless of who the hosts were thanks to the industry's refusal to acknowledge the reality of our current living situations, imo.
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Post by taylor on Nov 12, 2020 19:05:35 GMT -5
To the surprise of absolutely nobody who watched it. The issue was not just the pandemic. They had Luke Combs, Little Big Town, Dan & Shay, and Maren Morris with Reba and Darius hosting. Carrie and Brad were a massive part of why that show had worked for so long...and it showed. It really did! The buzz on this year's show is phenomenally low. Had it not been for being on Pulse, I likely would've forgotten it was even happening... in three days. I'm on Pulse (and not even half a week ago was in this very thread) and I still forgot these were happening. Wouldn't be shocked at all if this year winds up having all-time low ratings. 2020 was just not a good year for the show as a whole. Like...at all. I watched earlier this afternoon (again, just for performances and such) and aside from Maren's sweep, and a select few performances, it was just an utter snoozefest. Brad & Carrie really elevated the show and made it enjoyable. Brad's absence in 2019 was felt but Reba and Dolly managed to make up for it fine. But man, it just felt empty this year without Carrie even performing. Not to mention the association full-on torpedoed themselves behind the scenes. I saw many people on Twitter who said they turned the show off upon seeing an audience of any sort.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 12, 2020 19:09:08 GMT -5
I mean, a Reba/Darius Rucker hosting duo isn't exactly the most enticing thing in the world for that key 18-49 demographic when neither of them are the most marketable to the younger generation anymore. Not in the same way that Carrie is, or to a lesser extent, that Brad was in the earlier years of when those two hosted. (No this is not me trashing Reba or Darius Rucker, keep your dogs on leashes please.)
Also, [beats a dead horse] until networks decide to actually start partnering with streaming services (and without spiking prices for consumers) to live stream special events like these awards shows, they will continue to watch their own creations crumble. Especially if they want to maintain the attention and interest of younger generations. People are distancing awaaaaaay from cable packages and instead are opting for Netflix, Hulu, Disney, etc. Until some serious partnerships form on this level, we'll continue to see "[ACMs/CMAs/Oscars/Emmys/whatever] ratings drop to new low," even if the show itself was enticing or well-done.
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Post by Ernesto on Nov 12, 2020 19:25:32 GMT -5
^^ Regarding the above post, why would having Luke Combs, Little Big Town, Dan + Shay, and Maren Morris contribute to the lower rankings? That doesn't make any sense at all. And you definitely cannot blame the low rankings on Reba being a new host. She's got even more hosting experience than both Carrie and Brad. This show was pretty much DOA regardless of who the hosts were thanks to the industry's refusal to acknowledge the reality of our current living situations, imo. Where did I say they are part of the reason for the low ratings? I mentioned them because the ratings were low IN SPITE of big names.
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 12, 2020 19:42:40 GMT -5
^^ Regarding the above post, why would having Luke Combs, Little Big Town, Dan + Shay, and Maren Morris contribute to the lower rankings? That doesn't make any sense at all. And you definitely cannot blame the low rankings on Reba being a new host. She's got even more hosting experience than both Carrie and Brad. This show was pretty much DOA regardless of who the hosts were thanks to the industry's refusal to acknowledge the reality of our current living situations, imo. Where did I say they are part of the reason for the low ratings? I mentioned them because the ratings were low IN SPITE of big names. You said "The issue was not just the pandemic. They had Luke Combs, Little Big Town, Dan & Shay, and Maren Morris with Reba and Darius hosting." Which grammatically suggests that all of those performers were also part of the issue, lol. But I'm glad it's just a grammatical misunderstanding :) I agree that the low ratings are definitely not due to a lack of star-power!
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Post by Ernesto on Nov 12, 2020 19:44:35 GMT -5
Where did I say they are part of the reason for the low ratings? I mentioned them because the ratings were low IN SPITE of big names. You said "The issue was not just the pandemic. They had Luke Combs, Little Big Town, Dan & Shay, and Maren Morris with Reba and Darius hosting." Which grammatically suggests that all of those performers were also part of the issue, lol. But I'm glad it's just a grammatical misunderstanding I agree that the low ratings are definitely not due to a lack of star-power! It means they had big name stars so the pandemic is not the only issue the show had. There was no excitement to the show. I love those artists. But you are free to read into my post what you will. After all the show featured a new artist I now know in Ingrid Andress. I am quite impressed by her. EDIT: I don't mean to be rude. I just had a tough day. I apologize if it came on as I was putting anybody down.
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Post by gardyfan on Nov 12, 2020 19:57:00 GMT -5
I'm watching it now. Poor Gabby having her song destroyed by Charlie Puth. He looks like someone who plays a one man show at birthday parties and other small gatherings.
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Post by countryisking on Nov 12, 2020 20:12:25 GMT -5
You guys can act like [insert reason you are angry here] was the reason for the low ratings but nobody is watching anything anymore. All awards shows are down. The NBA Finals were down like 2/3 of their viewers from last year. The World Series saw a 35% drop. Thatβs just normal for this year.
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Post by seak05 on Nov 12, 2020 20:15:29 GMT -5
With the ACM's just happening, it felt repetitive. On top of that CMA's kept shooting themselves in the foot, the "no drama", the audience etc. And while it did have big names, it was missing a lot of the bigger names (as performers) that more casual fans are familiar with, Garth, Carrie, Luke B, Blake, Dolly, Kenny etc
Also as @14887fan pointed out, they aren't on streaming, and younger fans just stream. The TV demographic is older anyways
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 12, 2020 23:32:04 GMT -5
They could have done Fairytale in tribute of Bonnie Pointer who also died this year. Mickey Guyton with White Chapel could sing that award winning song by The Pointer Sisters. Best showing for black female artists with a couple of Grammy Wins, two top 40 hits, some more nominations and an appearance as the first black female group to appear on the Opry. Sadly, a pop act that crossed over was the only black females to win any country awards. It shows ranges of these singers.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 13, 2020 0:02:50 GMT -5
It may have already been mentioned but Iβve been seeing a few posts by country/Americana artists who are dissatisfied with these awards.
Looking through the list of artists who have commented on Jasonβs tweet, it does make me wonder whether the divide between the type of country radio plays and the type of roots country artists like Jason Isbell and others do might constitute two different genres. In radio terms, I wonder if a radio format that focused on the roots/Americana/country could succeed on its own outside of AAA, even in markets with country (country pop) stations. People are loyal to country radio, but a secondary country format could still have the backing of longstanding country institutions, couldnβt it?
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Post by myhouse911 on Nov 13, 2020 0:03:58 GMT -5
Just for comparison sake; the 2020 ACM awards were down 33% - 6.6M viewers.
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 13, 2020 6:26:17 GMT -5
It may have already been mentioned but Iβve been seeing a few posts by country/Americana artists who are dissatisfied with these awards. Looking through the list of artists who have commented on Jasonβs tweet, it does make me wonder whether the divide between the type of country radio plays and the type of roots country artists like Jason Isbell and others do might constitute two different genres. In radio terms, I wonder if a radio format that focused on the roots/Americana/country could succeed on its own outside of AAA, even in markets with country (country pop) stations. People are loyal to country radio, but a secondary country format could still have the backing of longstanding country institutions, couldnβt it? It is not just roots artists complaining. Reddirt, Texas, traditional, blue grass, Americana Country, Country Folk and others are complaing that country radio have become pop. Some big name artists are complaining about it. George Strait's last album tanked since the record label never gave it much push especially on radio. Kelly Clarkson complained. Besides those three, Tyler Childers, Sturgill Simpson, Seth Jones, Cody Jinks, Charlie Daniels, Aaron Lewis and many others are on the same boat as Jason. Randy Travis is in the top 20 on the Texas chart right now. The Texas chart used to be what country radio used to be. One country radio can be country pop and the other can be traditional country where country pop radio not playing them. A lot of these artists like Jason keep saying they are country artists, but they are being put in the wrong category like alternative or Americana. That is were the true country artists are at. Nashville got to poppy and forgot where their roots are at.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 18:46:07 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is the idea that in general only nominated artist get to perform. Hear me out....
We all know that there are way more men that are popular in country music then women....it sucks but itβs a fact. Luke Bryan, Kane Brown, Tim McGraw, Sam Hunt, Kenny Chesney, Blake Shelton were not nominated so therefore were not allowed to perform. The average viewer to the award shows have no idea who Gabby Barrett, Ingrid Andress, Jimmie Allen or Carly Pearce is.
I donβt know what the answer is to fix this but it is something that needs to be looked into.
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Post by davidcountry on Nov 13, 2020 20:22:50 GMT -5
Another reason is that Justin Bieber was on there, and so many people do not like his antics including his run-ins with the law. Justin would be okay if he just grow up. It is rubbing off on some of the younger country artists with their attitudes especially around the pandemic.
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Post by taylor on Nov 13, 2020 20:33:40 GMT -5
Another reason is that Justin Bieber was on there, and so many people do not like his antics including his run-ins with the law. Justin would be okay if he just grow up. It is rubbing off on some of the younger country artists with their attitudes especially around the pandemic. I have to disagree completely. Justin Bieber still has a very large base of teenage fans who love him to pieces; most or all of them either don't know or don't care about his past bad-boy antics (and a lot of them were just too young at the time to even remember; hell, I've forgotten about 99% of what he did). He's a huge 18-24 draw, but the flip side of that coin is that the 18-24 almost exclusively streams, rather than watch TV.
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