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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 22, 2020 9:17:50 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 22, 2020 10:27:05 GMT -5
The hype that BTS gets from the BTS Army is the one to hate. I don't think there fans that are more rabid and noisy currently.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 22, 2020 10:36:40 GMT -5
Another b.s. article hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=324108&title=BTS%253A-HOW-BIG-WILL-IT-BE%253FSunday, November 22, 2020 BTS: HOW BIG WILL IT BE?Following their most successful U.S. single ever, "Dynamite," BTS is poised to further shatter expectations. They are, after all, the world's most popular group. In February, Map of the Soul: 7 landed a massive debut, with 422k, a number that ranks fourth for the year, trailing only bows from Taylor Swift, The Weeknd and Juice WRLD. So what should we expect from BTS' second album of 2020, BE (Big Hit/Columbia)? We'll start the first-week forecast for BE at 300k, as we did for MOTS7. The ATD for the album will approach 500k, counting the total activity from "Dynamite." Will BE get to 400k its first week? Is 450k a possibility? Consider that MOTS7 did not have a huge single ahead of it. By contrast, BE's lead-in has been BTS' most successful song by every metric—radio, sales, streams, views. "Dynamite" is already over 2m in total activity. Meanwhile, the K-Pop gods will bless the Army with a video for second single "Life Goes On" upon album release tonight (11/19) and will follow up with the track's world-premiere performance on the AMAs Sunday night (11/22). If "Life Goes On" is anything like "Dynamite," BE has the potential to be BTS' biggest album yet. Still, their first-week number could be handicapped by new chart rules that have negatively affected some high-profile debuts since they took effect in October. BE will be the first true test of a sales champion in the new chart era—not to mention the changed sales climate of the pandemic era. Speaking of, packaging will play a role in the album's performance as well, with the entry-level physical package priced at $48 (Target), significantly more than MOTS7, which was listed at $28. Another factor worth noting: "Dynamite" was the act's first English-language single; how many other of BE's tracks will be in English? All of the above notwithstanding, the BTS set is a lock for #1. Are you a BE-liever?
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on Nov 22, 2020 10:53:33 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. As a BTS fan, I agree that I’m not a huge fan of the singles. I would recommend Dark & Wild and Love Yourself: Tear as full albums. You get a better understanding on what the member’s themselves wrote, co-produce and co-compose. The non-singles are usually what keeps the fans being fans.
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Post by Mathgeek on Nov 22, 2020 16:10:27 GMT -5
I’ve been a lurker on the forum for so long before ever starting to post. I actually started listening to BTS because of the hate that they get here and I love their music now especially after finding translations.
I don’t interact with the fandom but I do pay attention to them because it’s just interesting to watch. Idk. I kind of see them like the Cowboys fans in my living room except BTS is winning.
I respect it
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Post by Dammn Baby on Nov 22, 2020 16:20:54 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid." I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to.
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Post by Mathgeek on Nov 22, 2020 16:31:43 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid." I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to. Spoken as someone who knows nothing about BTS or their music...at all.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 22, 2020 16:38:41 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid." I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to. Yeah, right... You might want to read at least their Wiki article before typing that lol
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Post by Dammn Baby on Nov 22, 2020 16:50:29 GMT -5
Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid." I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to. Yeah, right... You might want to read at least their Wiki article before typing that lol Not really. Big Hit will not let the success of the band hinge on the participation of one or more individual members, regardless of how involved they are in the music.
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Post by kacpi on Nov 22, 2020 16:59:01 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid."
I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to. I think they'll be just fine considering that their previous record Map Of The Soul: 7 became the best-selling album in the history of South Korea in less than its first 10 days (4.1 million copies sold). The fans are just unstoppable - I'm sure they'd even buy a CD for $100 but that's just the label knowing that they can capitalize on it.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Nov 22, 2020 17:08:44 GMT -5
Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid."
I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to. I think they'll be just fine considering that their previous record Map Of The Soul: 7 became the best-selling album in the history of South Korea in less than its first 10 days (4.1 million copies sold). The fans are just unstoppable - I'm sure they'd even buy a CD for $100 but that's just the label knowing that they can capitalize on it. Yup, truly fantastic marketing on the label's part.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Nov 22, 2020 17:21:34 GMT -5
Yeah, right... You might want to read at least their Wiki article before typing that lol Not really. Big Hit will not let the success of the band hinge on the participation of one or more individual members, regardless of how involved they are in the music. EXO has staggered the military enlistment of their members and they've stayed popular. I imagine BTS will do the same thing.
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on Nov 22, 2020 21:11:16 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid." I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to. Yes that last half of your post was wrong lmao. You are obviously not a fan so to assume what we you did is wrong. 3/7th have their own mixtapes/EP. two other members are working on their own mixtapes. They just happen to be in a group together but we definitely do not view them as one identity.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Nov 22, 2020 21:15:01 GMT -5
Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid." I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to. Yes that last half of your post was wrong lmao. You are obviously not a fan so to assume what we you did is wrong. 3/7th have their own mixtapes/EP. two other members are working on their own mixtapes. They just happen to be in a group together but we definitely do not view them as one identity. I said nothing about how you/their fans perceive them - my comment was about how I expect their team to market them through lineup changes.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Nov 22, 2020 21:25:15 GMT -5
Yes that last half of your post was wrong lmao. You are obviously not a fan so to assume what we you did is wrong. 3/7th have their own mixtapes/EP. two other members are working on their own mixtapes. They just happen to be in a group together but we definitely do not view them as one identity. I said nothing about how you/their fans perceive them - my comment was about how I expect their team to market them through lineup changes. Okay but their team is not bringing in substitutes. NOT happening.
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on Nov 22, 2020 21:46:14 GMT -5
Yes that last half of your post was wrong lmao. You are obviously not a fan so to assume what we you did is wrong. 3/7th have their own mixtapes/EP. two other members are working on their own mixtapes. They just happen to be in a group together but we definitely do not view them as one identity. I said nothing about how you/their fans perceive them - my comment was about how I expect their team to market them through lineup changes. Correct me if I’m wrong but your post said they’re viewed as a package Not individuals when that’s wrong. Sorry if I came out a bit too forward, I just wanted to clarify that lol. They certainly won’t be switching them out. There’s actually a Kpop group (NCT) that does that (switch out the members).
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Post by monkeydluffy on Nov 22, 2020 21:49:44 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. Funny that you mention that cause you're not wrong. I think the majority of the BTS army in America is between 10-16 years old, but the fandom is much different here in Korea. The kids I teach in middle school still listen to BTS but not as much as elementary schoolers, but my high school students don't bother as they have moved onto other genres by this point, such as English music, Korean ballads, or Korean solo artists like IU and Chung Ha. They support them and sometimes listen but they are in no way crazy about them here past the age of 13.
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on Nov 22, 2020 23:12:53 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. Funny that you mention that cause you're not wrong. I think the majority of the BTS army in America is between 10-16 years old, but the fandom is much different here in Korea. The kids I teach in middle school still listen to BTS but not as much as elementary schoolers, but my high school students don't bother as they have moved onto other genres by this point, such as English music, Korean ballads, or Korean solo artists like IU and Chung Ha. They support them and sometimes listen but they are in no way crazy about them here past the age of 13. Most US fans are 18+ though. They also have a large 30+ fan base. I think one of the leading stan Twitter accounts did a year-long census for the fanbase. I will look for it. But to add - www.kpopmap.com/data-shows-bts-is-gaining-more-diverse-fans-and-growing-in-numbers/ i DONT know numbers in Korea but the US fans tend to rage to older ages.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 23, 2020 1:01:50 GMT -5
Plus BTS have a legit critical acclaim in the Anglo-American world too.
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Post by monkeydluffy on Nov 23, 2020 1:45:18 GMT -5
Funny that you mention that cause you're not wrong. I think the majority of the BTS army in America is between 10-16 years old, but the fandom is much different here in Korea. The kids I teach in middle school still listen to BTS but not as much as elementary schoolers, but my high school students don't bother as they have moved onto other genres by this point, such as English music, Korean ballads, or Korean solo artists like IU and Chung Ha. They support them and sometimes listen but they are in no way crazy about them here past the age of 13. Most US fans are 18+ though. They also have a large 30+ fan base. I think one of the leading stan Twitter accounts did a year-long census for the fanbase. I will look for it. But to add - www.kpopmap.com/data-shows-bts-is-gaining-more-diverse-fans-and-growing-in-numbers/ i DONT know numbers in Korea but the US fans tend to rage to older ages. I wasn't sure about the age, but my younger sister is 16, so I used that as my basis haha. She was super obsessed with them when she was 13, but she and her friends have since grown bored of them now that she's older. I would like to see that census out of curiosity, so let me know if you find it. I wouldn't be surprised about the 30+ fact, as they have done well recently on AC radio, so that would make sense. Obviously my students aren't all students around Korea, but what I stated before is normally the general consensus with the ages here. One thing to remind everyone: while BTS is huge worldwide and people there would die for them and buy every song/album as many times as they can, here in Korea they are just one of the most popular groups and nothing more. Their songs don't linger on Korean charts for much longer than 2-3 months due to the constant turnover for songs and KPOP groups are always putting new music out quickly anyways.
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Post by monkeydluffy on Nov 23, 2020 2:26:26 GMT -5
Since I have seen a lot of incorrect posts regarding BTS and KPOP groups in general, I feel as though I need to step in and correct them. Now I am not the all-knowing about KPOP music nor am I a stan of any kind, but I have lived here for a decent amount of time, so I know a lot being surrounded by it for a long time.
EXO is one thing, BTS is another. If you research anything about EXO, you will realize they used to be more popular than BTS at one time. During the "Growl" era (2013) until the "Monster" era (2016), BTS was still trying to get their foot in the industry while EXO was at the top. Yes, they did go through lineup changes, but their management is much different as well. BIG HIT Entertainment (BTS) and SM Entertainment (EXO) are known for being 2 different styles of management, with SM being one of the worst to be a part of. EXO used to have 12 members before 3 quit for being overworked and not taken care of by their company. Yes, they have survived with 9 members and still got success, but EXO declined in sales as well from 2016 onward, as BTS started to rise.
On the other hand, BIG HIT takes care of BTS, as BTS put the entertainment company on the map. They give them scheduled breaks and make sure they are taken care of while making sure they still have a lot of free time. BIG HIT is a very good company to work for, and while SM had a great run of success with acts like SHINee, SuperJunior, BoA, and many more, they are not the top money-making company anymore, as JYP and BIG HIT have passed them. SM also has garnered criticism for money making tactics using what they call a sub-group, such as with bands like NCT-127 & NCT-U & NCT-Dream to combat the challenges they face so they can still make money. They are all a part of NCT, but when some aren't available, they make these subgroups. I can't see BTS doing that.
With regards to the military service, I suggest you google that one as well. You will find out, as I previously stated earlier in this EXACT thread regarding mandatory military service regarding BIGBANG and BTS, that military service here has a supreme effect on how companies continue to make money and how the band keeps their peak success continued. But unlike BIGBANG, EXO was affected by the lineup change and their sales have never been the same since. However, this isn't affected by the mandatory army service, as that didn't start until 2019. EXO hasn't had the same success since the lineup change, long before the military service started. SM has since made most of their focus on the rise of Red Velvet and NCT from 2017 onward. EXO's military service was just like going out of the frying pan and into the fire, so to speak.
While EXO was not affected, BTS could very well be affected by the service. Most fans won't like the idea of missing members, as some people are fans because they have favorites in the group and may pay less attention to them if they aren't a part of it. This isn't for all, but definitely some. Another majority of fans love the idea of all members together, as that is when they are at their best and a good reason for their popularity rise due to how well they get along with each other and their chemistry on and off stage.
I don't know what will happen with BTS when the military starts, but as people have stated before, if one Korean boy band act can break that curse, it could be BTS, as no other act reached the world stage like BTS has.
However, what some here perceive the music as "basic" is an insult to the Korean music community and Korea in general, as that is their style of music. A majority of the music here sounds that way. It is just the way it is here. They probably think the same way about a lot of our English music too. Every language has a specific way of what their sound is and this "basic" style that is referred to is what Korean music is. You don't have to like it, but you also don't have to take time out of your day to insult it either.
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Post by pokepikalem on Nov 23, 2020 4:19:18 GMT -5
Personally, I don't hate BTS, I just think their music is for 10 year olds (at least these 6-7 *mainstream* songs I heard). also, the production sounds dated to me...maybe I would've listened to them 8-9 years ago. Yes, their music is the definition of basic - it's just a product that is being sold, nothing more. Their marketing plan and execution is top notch, however. But five years from now, everyone will look back on spending $45 for a CD with some glossy photos and think "well, that was f**king stupid." I have no idea why people are worried about the mandatory military conscription disrupting the group's dynamic - this group is produced and sold as a package and is certainly not contingent on the personality of its individual members for success. They'll simply substitute others in and out as they need to. The last sentence is wrong on so many levels.
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Post by pokepikalem on Nov 23, 2020 4:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by kanimal on Nov 23, 2020 13:10:46 GMT -5
When discussing the success of BTS, and how they've differentiated themselves from other K-pop groups (and, really, other pop groups in general), three things generally come up:
1) The development of unique personalities. Each member most certainly does come across as an individual, both on and off the stage. They have as much individual personality and stylistic development as top solo pop stars.
2) The active role in the artistic process. They're not just a group of performers; they also contribute to the songwriting, production, etc.
3) The quality of their lyrics. They've received raves for tackling serious topics, and even their lighter songs tend to have strong metaphorical and poetic qualities.
Not saying you have to agree that these are effective. You can still think the songs suck, and you could still say you don't care about the individual members. But to act like they're some manufactured group of random dudes who make music for children is to miss the entire point of why they're a phenomenon.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Nov 23, 2020 13:49:38 GMT -5
EXO is one thing, BTS is another. If you research anything about EXO, you will realize they used to be more popular than BTS at one time. During the "Growl" era (2013) until the "Monster" era (2016), BTS was still trying to get their foot in the industry while EXO was at the top. Yes, they did go through lineup changes, but their management is much different as well. BIG HIT Entertainment (BTS) and SM Entertainment (EXO) are known for being 2 different styles of management, with SM being one of the worst to be a part of. EXO used to have 12 members before 3 quit for being overworked and not taken care of by their company. Yes, they have survived with 9 members and still got success, but EXO declined in sales as well from 2016 onward, as BTS started to rise. The issue with EXO is SM tried a model of having South Korean and Chinese members. The three members who left are Chinese. EXO still has a presence--although they haven't broken through the U.S. market in a big way, in recent months, they've received numerous award nominations, including the MTV VMA, American Music Award and Billboard Music Award. I am bummed CHEN has enlisted... Don't get me started...
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Post by Taylor. on Nov 23, 2020 13:50:38 GMT -5
K-Pop superstars BTS should take #1 by a mile on our next chart. Here's how it's looking for the group's new set, BE, right now. BTS (BigHit/Columbia) 260-290k total activity, 215-225k album Meanwhile, it was announced the lads would perform "Life Goes On" on Corden on 11/23. In post-election news, Sidney Powell is finding it challenging to "release the Kraken" from underneath the bus. hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=324154&title=NEW-RELEASE%3A-BTS-STANS-TALL
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 23, 2020 13:56:16 GMT -5
My guess is that it will end up being around 300k in the end.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 23, 2020 14:04:17 GMT -5
The album is doing a bit worse on streaming than I thought. They might have peaked sales-wise with their previous album but all it takes a second huge smash a la Dynamite to recover so we shall see.
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Post by Mauricio on Nov 23, 2020 14:11:12 GMT -5
I wonder how many sales would they have got had their album been at a normal price. Really impressed with most of their fans buying the 50 dollars album.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 23, 2020 14:16:24 GMT -5
Finally, an update. And it only took 2 days longer than usual.
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