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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 8:25:22 GMT -5
Almost every 'hit' by those 'legends' in this Biebs Top 10s controversy were 'propped' by significant radio support. It's also why those artists are icons - their songs were heard everywhere because of radio. Radio felt more relevant in the 80s and 90s. I remember when the thing for stans to do was call radio stations and requests songs. That still happens... many stations still air a top 7 @ 7 show based on requests received. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 8:27:29 GMT -5
I don't need to actually like a song to comment on it or to point out it is doing good. I also when posting in a thread, stick to the facts based on thst topic. Flawed or not, billboard calls it a rock song and we are in a billboard thread, so I'll respect that fact. I bloody valentine is no more a rock song than bang. Both are pop in real life outside the billboard thread. Both with a taint of alt. One more altrock taint, the other with a punk Taint. and please, I remember the days of twenty one pilots and imagine dragons. Anyone claiming pulse doesn't hate rock is fooling nobody but themselves. Ow wait I'm sure they l be nit picked apart as not rock either. well ur wrong but at least u got one thing right in calling Bang! taint Bang aired on almost all rock stations. It did good on the billboard rock and alt AirPlay chart. Which is based on what the stations play, not bb classification. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 8:28:17 GMT -5
"Blinding Lights" should hopefully be joining this elite soon. 🥰 Well we won't know thst TIL 2022 lol. |
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Post by Groovy on Jan 12, 2021 8:30:22 GMT -5
2 years or more on the streaming charts 122 Gangnam Style, PSY 109 Believer, Imagine Dragons 105 Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse), Post Malone & Swae Lee In other words, one great song, one good song and then Believer |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 12, 2021 8:30:47 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2021 8:41:01 GMT -5
Billboard is a bad metric for determining genre. By that logic, Blinding Lights is an R&B song and Heartless and Hotling Bling are rap songs Billboard might be a bad judge. However, in their house it is their rules thst is all that matters. This isn’t really their house. I get that for the sake of discussion simplicity and consistency, we’d want to refer to the genre they’ve defined for certain songs, but those definitions are often quite loose and based off of what record labels decide based on marketing purposes (ie, calling folklore and evermore “alternative”). Genre tends to be blurred anyway, and I certainly wouldn’t want to put the decision entirely on what radio formats play (because they can be too restrictive and snobby) but questioning the genre label of a song is as open to discussion as the use of recurrent rules or the makeup of how the chart is measured. |
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Post by Mayman on Jan 12, 2021 8:42:27 GMT -5
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Post by Groovy on Jan 12, 2021 8:48:08 GMT -5
Circles, Don't Start Now and Adore You would probably be back on the Hot 100 if it wasn't for stupid 52/25 recurrent rule.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 12, 2021 8:49:16 GMT -5
Radio felt more relevant in the 80s and 90s. I remember when the thing for stans to do was call radio stations and requests songs. That still happens... many stations still air a top 7 @ 7 show based on requests received. Maybe it does, but the campaigns I see on social media are not related to radio. I see campaigns for sales as of late, and also streaming days. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 12, 2021 8:59:28 GMT -5
That first part may be true, but the latter is a bit incongruous because it seems like the stream totals for all songs at the top are lower. It's not like the totals for non-hip-hop hits have caught up; totals for the top non-holiday songs are down across the board as of late. It's spread out more, over more songs, so of course thst will decrease totals. plus seriously, there just isn't anything catching the public's attention like a hello or old town road type song would to pull in big streams. It goes w long way to show the current mediocrity of music and it's lack of broad appeal. I'm not talking about a "Hello" or "OTR" type song. There is a lot in between those and the, essentially, record low totals we've been having. The total "Mood" has to be #1 on streaming this past week is the lowest we've seen at #1 in 5 years. That's not just about there not being a huge hit, that's about a complete lack of songs that are big on streaming. "Drivers license" is now changing that some, which also shows people are still streaming songs if they're interested. |
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Post by gikem on Jan 12, 2021 9:01:57 GMT -5
Significant Dropouts:
AIWFCIY [locked for the 2021 YE]
RATCT [possible to make the 2021 YE, but not totally locked]
All other Christmas music that didn’t leave last week
Most of the Playboi Carti and Lil Durk album bombs
Losers (3):
#25 Dynamite (-20)
#74 Backdoor (-12)
#84 Stay Down (-11)
Returns (10):
#81 Somebody’s Problem
#82 Moonwalking in Calabasas
#85 Some Girls
#89 One Too Many
#90 Kacey Talk
#91 Wonder
#92 La Noche de Anoche
#96 Everywhere But On
#98 Still Goin' Down
#99 Reminds Me of You
Gains (30):
#23 Good Days (+15)
#32 Happy Anywhere (+10)
#33 Champagne Night (+19)
#38 On Me (+10)
#40 You Broke Me First (+11)
#41 My Ex’s Best Friend (+15)
#44 Cry Baby (+13)
#45 Hole in the Bottle (+13)
#46 Save Your Tears (+49)
#48 Good Time (+13)
#50 Love You Like I Used To (+10)
#53 7 Summers (+10)
#54 Without You (+11)
#56 You’re Mines Still (+13)
#57 Take You Dancing (+22)
#63 Back to the Streets (+14)
#64 Beers and Sunshine (+12)
#65 Golden (+10)
#66 Damage (+12)
#67 Put Your Records On (+17)
#68 What’s Your Country Song (+12)
#69 Happy Does (+18)
#70 Monsters (+18)
#71 Midnight Sky (+10)
#72 Down to One (+19)
#73 Bichota (+12)
#75 Just the Way (+22)
#77 The Good Ones (+23)
#80 So Done (+16)
#83 Way Out (+15)
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Post by gikem on Jan 12, 2021 9:11:36 GMT -5
Ugh, at least half of the new entries this week are from artists and/or albums that completely suck (Glass Animals sort of an odd band to single out imo Their most recent album Dreamland is a complete mess, and unfortunately Heat Waves is not one of the better songs on it. Also, my first impression of Glass Animals was the music video for their 2014 song Gooey, and let’s just say that the video alone sealed my fate with the band (FWIW, the song itself is fine, I guess, but the music video makes me physically ill, and I encourage you not to watch it if you haven’t). |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 12, 2021 9:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by GW on Jan 12, 2021 10:59:47 GMT -5
Radio felt more relevant in the 80s and 90s. I remember when the thing for stans to do was call radio stations and requests songs. That still happens... many stations still air a top 7 @ 7 show based on requests received. Except those nightly radio countdown shows haven't been real since the 80s or 90s. They are pre-programmed slot$ that are, if anything, very loosely based on request$. Like all things in corporate radio, it's just for $how to engage the li$tener. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jan 12, 2021 11:52:33 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that the points obtained by album bomb tracks is pretty minor in statistics like this, but I might be mistaken. Well album tracks (even when peaking high) give very little points to the all time hot 100 ranking, because the simply chart for a week/two or three.
But in this instance when they only list how many songs have peaked in top 10 it can inflate the numbers a bit.
thegreatdivine has a thread regarding top 10 hits and how many weeks they spent inside top 10 for different artists
Also how the fuсk can a Bieber fan and an older guy derail this thread so much.
Not you plugging my thread 😭 🤗 That's right, y'all. Check the thread out ♥️ |
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Post by Gary on Jan 12, 2021 12:21:38 GMT -5
Gabby Barrett's 'I Hope' Ties For Third-Longest Reign Ever on Hot Country Songs Chart
By Jim Asker
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www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9509999/gabby-barrett-i-hope-tops-hot-country-songs-again/The song leads for a 24th week. Gabby Barrett's "I Hope" tops Billboard's airplay-, sales- and streaming-based Hot Country Songs chart for a 24th week (on the list dated Jan. 16), tying Florida Georgia Line's "Cruise" for the third-longest reign since the chart began as an all-encompassing genre ranking in October 1958. "Cruise" dominated for 24 frames in 2012-13. FGL retains the crown as "Meant to Be," with Bebe Rexha, ruled for a record 50 weeks in 2017-18. Sam Hunt's "Body Like a Back Road" ranks second with 34 weeks at No. 1 in 2017. "Hope" holds at the summit with 56.4 million in all-format airplay audience, 9.5 million U.S. streams and 4,000 sold in the tracking week, according to MRC Data. All four songs above also topped the Country Airplay chart and padded their Hot Country Songs dominations thanks in part to pop and adult crossover airplay, with "I Hope" benefiting beyond the country radio format from its remix with Charlie Puth. Meanwhile, Kelsea Ballerini nets her seventh Hot Country Songs top 10 as "Hole in the Bottle" pushes 11-9. It drew 6 million streams and sold 2,000 in the tracking week. On Country Airplay, the song climbs 10-8 (20.1 million impressions, up 6%). Plus, Niko Moon's debut single "Good Time" hits the upper tier on both Hot Country Songs and Country Airplay (18.7 million in radio audience, up 4%), lifting 12-10 on both surveys. The song from the Tyler, Texas, native also attracted 6 million streams and sold 3,000 in the tracking frame.
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Post by Gary on Jan 12, 2021 12:22:07 GMT -5
Thanks you pop remixes
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jan 12, 2021 13:27:53 GMT -5
^ I've never understood why Billboard counts the points from 'pop' remix versions on the Country Songs chart. With IH, it's easy - subtract airplay, sales and streams generated from CP version - all those numbers are available separately. Only count the original's points, which was the version pushed to the Country format. It's not that difficult.
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Post by Groovy on Jan 12, 2021 14:03:43 GMT -5
It always bothered me that Meant to Be was the best performing country song in 2018, not only did it suck but there were so many songs/albums from acts like Chris Stapleton, Kacey Musgraves, Thomas Rhett, etc that were far better than it.
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Post by Gary on Jan 12, 2021 14:09:50 GMT -5
Country Airplay is usually the better chart for that.
Hot Country Songs contains - non country components
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Post by Choco on Jan 12, 2021 14:12:17 GMT -5
Circles, Don't Start Now and Adore You would probably be back on the Hot 100 if it wasn't for stupid 52/25 recurrent rule. That ruled saved us from "Perfect" charting until 2020, so it's fine. And all the songs mentioned are still monster hits without the extra weeks at #45-49. |
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Post by kanimal on Jan 12, 2021 14:14:45 GMT -5
^ I've never understood why Billboard counts the points from 'pop' remix versions on the Country Songs chart. With IH, it's easy - subtract airplay, sales and streams generated from CP version - all those numbers are available separately. Only count the original's points, which was the version pushed to the Country format. It's not that difficult. I'm not necessarily opposed to counting pop activity (or remixes) toward the Hot Country Songs calculation. I do, however, find it weird that Billboard talks about this having the longest reign for a "solo female country song" yet still counts activity from the Charlie Puth remix. It's also unclear why he's not credited on the Hot Country Songs chart, given that he's credited on the Hot 100 which uses the same methodology. You can't have it both ways - either you only count the solo/country activity toward the chart, or you admit that its success on Hot Country Songs is partially driven by a remix with another artist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:21:57 GMT -5
It's spread out more, over more songs, so of course thst will decrease totals. plus seriously, there just isn't anything catching the public's attention like a hello or old town road type song would to pull in big streams. It goes w long way to show the current mediocrity of music and it's lack of broad appeal. I'm not talking about a "Hello" or "OTR" type song. There is a lot in between those and the, essentially, record low totals we've been having. The total "Mood" has to be #1 on streaming this past week is the lowest we've seen at #1 in 5 years. That's not just about there not being a huge hit, that's about a complete lack of songs that are big on streaming. "Drivers license" is now changing that some, which also shows people are still streaming songs if they're interested. As I said it shows mediocrity and an overall disinterest in the music out right now by the general public, |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:23:34 GMT -5
That still happens... many stations still air a top 7 @ 7 show based on requests received. Except those nightly radio countdown shows haven't been real since the 80s or 90s. They are pre-programmed slot$ that are, if anything, very loosely based on request$. Like all things in corporate radio, it's just for $how to engage the li$tener. Back up your fake news with facts. we still get hundreds of requests a day and have never accepted a cent for placement. Fact. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 12, 2021 16:29:51 GMT -5
Country Airplay is usually the better chart for that. Is it, though? Well, I guess it's opinion in terms of the quality of the songs on it, but country airplay is clearly very influenced by labels/money. I don't think it's much of a measure of popularity, so to that extent I think it's a trash chart. I do, however, find it weird that Billboard talks about this having the longest reign for a "solo female country song" yet still counts activity from the Charlie Puth remix. It's also unclear why he's not credited on the Hot Country Songs chart, given that he's credited on the Hot 100 which uses the same methodology. You can't have it both ways - either you only count the solo/country activity toward the chart, or you admit that its success on Hot Country Songs is partially driven by a remix with another artist. This is a very valid point/question. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:31:05 GMT -5
^ I've never understood why Billboard counts the points from 'pop' remix versions on the Country Songs chart. With IH, it's easy - subtract airplay, sales and streams generated from CP version - all those numbers are available separately. Only count the original's points, which was the version pushed to the Country format. It's not that difficult. Well if you do it for country you need to do it for every genre, separate out and count separate the rap/pop remixes the hip hop/pop remixes. All those have made bigger songs than they were on their respective charts, just like the dountry complaint. |
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Post by Gary on Jan 12, 2021 16:33:11 GMT -5
Country Airplay is usually the better chart for that. Is it, though? Well, I guess it's opinion in terms of the quality of the songs on it, but country airplay is clearly very influenced by labels/money. I don't think it's much of a measure of popularity, so to that extent I think it's a trash chart. I do, however, find it weird that Billboard talks about this having the longest reign for a "solo female country song" yet still counts activity from the Charlie Puth remix. It's also unclear why he's not credited on the Hot Country Songs chart, given that he's credited on the Hot 100 which uses the same methodology. You can't have it both ways - either you only count the solo/country activity toward the chart, or you admit that its success on Hot Country Songs is partially driven by a remix with another artist. This is a very valid point/question. It is BETTER - nothing is perfect. A pop song won't last on country radio very long Whereas you have country - pop remixes spending literally a a half year to a year at #1 for the pop portion of the song |
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Post by gikem on Jan 12, 2021 16:36:19 GMT -5
Anyone know why B.S. is still charting 22 weeks into its run even though it is below #50 and has clearly peaked in airplay?
Either way, I expect Morgan Wallen's album bomb to finally knock it away next week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:37:16 GMT -5
Billboard might be a bad judge. However, in their house it is their rules thst is all that matters. This isn’t really their house. I get that for the sake of discussion simplicity and consistency, we’d want to refer to the genre they’ve defined for certain songs, but those definitions are often quite loose and based off of what record labels decide based on marketing purposes (ie, calling folklore and evermore “alternative”). Genre tends to be blurred anyway, and I certainly wouldn’t want to put the decision entirely on what radio formats play (because they can be too restrictive and snobby) but questioning the genre label of a song is as open to discussion as the use of recurrent rules or the makeup of how the chart is measured. Yea. Like whatever, now radio can't even define their own genre. Amazing. so radio can't. billboard can't. So just who then gets to make this big determination of what genre a song is. |
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