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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:47:05 GMT -5
Anyone know why B.S. is still charting 22 weeks into its run even though it is below #50 and has clearly peaked in airplay? Either way, I expect Morgan Wallen's album bomb to finally knock it away next week. Payola! isnt that the excuse everyone uses here when it's something they don't like happening with a song? |
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Post by GP on Jan 12, 2021 17:00:09 GMT -5
yes it's the h100, where levitating is top10 in consumption and 2nd least radio-driven hit in the top10. So yeah another empty critic user dey Let's see... mood.. BL.. anyone.. positions.. I don't even know what we're arguing man.... Levitating keeps being top10 on any consumption chart, and most importantly it gets as MUCH points from radio as it gets from streaming. you defending Go Crazy and Holy as some of the most streamed songs in the page before... you're just playing fool at this point  |
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Post by Groovy on Jan 12, 2021 17:00:34 GMT -5
^I find it even more interesting that DL got there with very little exposure, little play listing when it first came out, no radio, people genuinely like the song and it's not forced either.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2021 17:01:30 GMT -5
This isnβt really their house. I get that for the sake of discussion simplicity and consistency, weβd want to refer to the genre theyβve defined for certain songs, but those definitions are often quite loose and based off of what record labels decide based on marketing purposes (ie, calling folklore and evermore βalternativeβ). Genre tends to be blurred anyway, and I certainly wouldnβt want to put the decision entirely on what radio formats play (because they can be too restrictive and snobby) but questioning the genre label of a song is as open to discussion as the use of recurrent rules or the makeup of how the chart is measured. Yea. Like whatever, now radio can't even define their own genre. Amazing. so radio can't. billboard can't. So just who then gets to make this big determination of what genre a song is. I think you're missing the point. I'm just saying it's often something that's up for discussion, whereas your approach is to shut it down because "Billboard has already decided," when there are many examples where it's not so clean cut. Billboard's definition is often limiting at best. Radio's definition might be more appropriate, though also limited on the basis that some formats aren't as expansive as the genres themselves (ie, country radio leaving out huge chunks of country artists). The thing about charts, whether Billboard or otherwise, is that they're open to interpretation given context of many different moving parts. Just like any sort of research and findings that involve numbers, there has to be room for discussion of what those numbers mean, what they're trying to say, and what confounds may be at play. There's no way to simply take and accept the Billboard charts for what they are and move on because we all have different interpretations of what they mean based on various environmental factors (and no, I'm not talking about accusations of payola and other meaningless things that get thrown out in these threads each week). You seem like an intelligent poster and I actually think you've brought a lot in the short time you've been posting here, but trying to control and limit the conversation based on what you think should be the rules of that discussion isn't helpful to anyone. |
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Post by gikem on Jan 12, 2021 17:02:08 GMT -5
Anyone know why B.S. is still charting 22 weeks into its run even though it is below #50 and has clearly peaked in airplay? Either way, I expect Morgan Wallen's album bomb to finally knock it away next week. Payola! isnt that the excuse everyone uses here when it's something they don't like happening with a song? I do like the song, I'm just confused as to why it's still here in the same way I was last week when it returned below #50. Both Urban and Rhythmic are in the process of dropping it, and consistently so since Christmas Day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 17:09:27 GMT -5
Let's see... mood.. BL.. anyone.. positions.. I don't even know what we're arguing man.... Levitating keeps being top10 on any consumption chart, and most importantly it gets as MUCH points from radio as it gets from streaming. you defending Go Crazy and Holy as some of the most streamed songs in the page before... you're just playing fool at this point Damn it. I forgot again, pointing out a fact suddenly means you are defending something, damn internet logic strikes again. you said levitating was 2nd least radio influence. I pointed out others that were less. btw, levitating is NOT top ten in streaming consumption as you claim, |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 17:14:06 GMT -5
Yea. Like whatever, now radio can't even define their own genre. Amazing. so radio can't. billboard can't. So just who then gets to make this big determination of what genre a song is. I think you're missing the point. I'm just saying it's often something that's up for discussion, whereas your approach is to shut it down because "Billboard has already decided," when there are many examples where it's not so clean cut. Billboard's definition is often limiting at best. Radio's definition might be more appropriate, though also limited on the basis that some formats aren't as expansive as the genres themselves (ie, country radio leaving out huge chunks of country artists). The thing about charts, whether Billboard or otherwise, is that they're open to interpretation given context of many different moving parts. Just like any sort of research and findings that involve numbers, there has to be room for discussion of what those numbers mean, what they're trying to say, and what confounds may be at play. There's no way to simply take and accept the Billboard charts for what they are and move on because we all have different interpretations of what they mean based on various environmental factors (and no, I'm not talking about accusations of payola and other meaningless things that get thrown out in these threads each week). You seem like an intelligent poster and I actually think you've brought a lot in the short time you've been posting here, but trying to control and limit the conversation based on what you think should be the rules of that discussion isn't helpful to anyone. I know full well how and why the charts work. Been doing this for decades. Even earned a living from it all. Life is good. the point is that I called it rock because BB does and I am in a BB thread, but everyone tried to shut me down saying it is not. It's interesting you accusing me of that, when it fact it was me jumped on for saying it was rock and everyone insisting it was not. hypocrisy much? |
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Post by GP on Jan 12, 2021 17:15:40 GMT -5
I don't even know what we're arguing man.... Levitating keeps being top10 on any consumption chart, and most importantly it gets as MUCH points from radio as it gets from streaming. you defending Go Crazy and Holy as some of the most streamed songs in the page before... you're just playing fool at this point Damn it. I forgot again, pointing out a fact suddenly means you are defending something, damn internet logic strikes again. you said levitating was 2nd least radio influence. I pointed out others that were less. bts, levitating is NOT top ten in streaming consumption as you claim, I said it was the 2nd least in the top10, I was RIGHT  I said it was top10 in consumption, which includes digital sales, being #7 with both, I was RIGHT YOU said it was miles away from the streaming top10 when it's 500k and 3 positions away from top10, you were WRONG 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 17:19:32 GMT -5
Damn it. I forgot again, pointing out a fact suddenly means you are defending something, damn internet logic strikes again. you said levitating was 2nd least radio influence. I pointed out others that were less. bts, levitating is NOT top ten in streaming consumption as you claim, I said it was the 2nd least in the top10, I was RIGHT I said it was top10 in consumption, which includes digital sales, being #7 with both, I was RIGHT YOU said it was miles away from the streaming top10 when it's 500k and 3 positions away from top10, you were WRONG
Now bye user dey, I look forward to see what will be your next lies in the next few weeks Actually your exact words are "Levitating keeps being top10 on any consumption chart" whixh is incorrect. It is #13 streaming, |
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Post by andrebra on Jan 12, 2021 17:32:38 GMT -5
LOVE when pulse members wake up and decide to be annoying π€ͺ
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 17:33:21 GMT -5
Damn it. I forgot again, pointing out a fact suddenly means you are defending something, damn internet logic strikes again. you said levitating was 2nd least radio influence. I pointed out others that were less. bts, levitating is NOT top ten in streaming consumption as you claim, I said it was the 2nd least in the top10, I was RIGHT t anyone? Mood? There's two already. Do I need to continue? I've shown at least two so it can't be second. fzcts first, stop the fake news. |
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Post by iHype. on Jan 12, 2021 17:40:18 GMT -5
LOVE when pulse members wake up and decide to be annoying π€ͺ This is someone who got permabanned from another forum for derailing with the most random arguments in the Hot 100 thread every single week. It's a job for them. |
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Post by 85la on Jan 12, 2021 18:07:03 GMT -5
Payola! isnt that the excuse everyone uses here when it's something they don't like happening with a song? I do like the song, I'm just confused as to why it's still here in the same way I was last week when it returned below #50. Both Urban and Rhythmic are in the process of dropping it, and consistently so since Christmas Day. Even though it's declining in overall airplay, it's actually still gaining a bit on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, as well as a little bit on streaming per the R&B Streaming Songs chart. Sales I'm not sure, because it doesn't appear on any digital sales chart. Because of these small gains, as well as its position gain (59-52), even though it might have a net loss in points, it might still be eligible to chart. It might also be due to some post-Holiday chart quirk we don't know about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 18:27:12 GMT -5
LOVE when pulse members wake up and decide to be annoying π€ͺ Some of us work for a living, imoosted before and after the 9-5 job. I posted on the weekend cause I was bored. I used to work weekends, but well they killed remotes and live performances so what ya do. i find it hypocritical thst it is okay for stans to lie and boast, but it's wrong to speak facts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 18:28:51 GMT -5
LOVE when pulse members wake up and decide to be annoying π€ͺ This is someone who got permabanned from another forum for derailing with the most random arguments in the Hot 100 thread every single week. It's a job for them. Uh. Wrong person. Unless you have proof. Stop the lies and slander. |
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Post by Groovy on Jan 12, 2021 18:52:35 GMT -5
I love the drama in this thread, keep it up guys.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2021 19:15:08 GMT -5
I think you're missing the point. I'm just saying it's often something that's up for discussion, whereas your approach is to shut it down because "Billboard has already decided," when there are many examples where it's not so clean cut. Billboard's definition is often limiting at best. Radio's definition might be more appropriate, though also limited on the basis that some formats aren't as expansive as the genres themselves (ie, country radio leaving out huge chunks of country artists). The thing about charts, whether Billboard or otherwise, is that they're open to interpretation given context of many different moving parts. Just like any sort of research and findings that involve numbers, there has to be room for discussion of what those numbers mean, what they're trying to say, and what confounds may be at play. There's no way to simply take and accept the Billboard charts for what they are and move on because we all have different interpretations of what they mean based on various environmental factors (and no, I'm not talking about accusations of payola and other meaningless things that get thrown out in these threads each week). You seem like an intelligent poster and I actually think you've brought a lot in the short time you've been posting here, but trying to control and limit the conversation based on what you think should be the rules of that discussion isn't helpful to anyone. I know full well how and why the charts work. Been doing this for decades. Even earned a living from it all. Life is good. the point is that I called it rock because BB does and I am in a BB thread, but everyone tried to shut me down saying it is not. Yes, I remember. The whole thing started when you said: People on pulse are always pressed when a rock song dares chart. Which several have said is untrue and provided examples of undisputed rock songs that they say did get Pulse support. Yet, for some reason, you pushed by with: For the purpose this is a billboard thread, and it has 48 week on the rock chart. Yes in this case it is a rock song. and Billboard might be a bad judge. However, in their house it is their rules thst is all that matters. neither of which supported your initial claim which didn't come with any facts or stats behind it, which you seem to value above all else. Again, my point was that whether or not "Bang!" is a rock song could possibly be up for discussion despite Billboard's own labeling, which you seemed to take great offence to. Wikipedia has it labeled as a pop song, for example. Their own description on YouTube and Spotify lists them as a pop trio. This isn't even that important. You've just decided to take it upon yourself to oppose every post and every person in this thread for some reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 19:26:38 GMT -5
I know full well how and why the charts work. Been doing this for decades. Even earned a living from it all. Life is good. the point is that I called it rock because BB does and I am in a BB thread, but everyone tried to shut me down saying it is not. Yes, I remember. The whole thing started when you said: People on pulse are always pressed when a rock song dares chart. Which several have said is untrue and provided examples of undisputed rock songs that they say did get Pulse support. Yet, for some reason, you pushed by with: For the purpose this is a billboard thread, and it has 48 week on the rock chart. Yes in this case it is a rock song. and Billboard might be a bad judge. However, in their house it is their rules thst is all that matters. neither of which supported your initial claim which didn't come with any facts or stats behind it, which you seem to value above all else. Again, my point was that whether or not "Bang!" is a rock song could possibly be up for discussion despite Billboard's own labeling, which you seemed to take great offence to. Wikipedia has it labeled as a pop song, for example. Their own description on YouTube and Spotify lists them as a pop trio. This isn't even that important. You've just decided to take it upon yourself to oppose every post and every person in this thread for some reason. And I provided as examples, the anger at imagine dragons and twenty one pilots. I made my point. Saying they weren't despised here is revisionist. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2021 19:28:21 GMT -5
And I provided the anger at imagine dragons and twenty one pilots. I made my point. Yet it still didn't prove your point because it was countered with other examples. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 19:32:11 GMT -5
And I provided the anger at imagine dragons and twenty one pilots. I made my point. Yet it still didn't prove your point because it was countered with other examples. Right so in your world, it has to be all or nothing, right typical internet. there's a long history of hatred for rock in General on pulse in the hot 100 thread, often songs claimed to be rock to attempt to disprove the point, like bloody Valentine are not Rock and is not classified as such on any major notable sites. Nor even by mgk in the less releases for the album or single. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2021 19:40:13 GMT -5
Yet it still didn't prove your point because it was countered with other examples. Right so in your world, it has to be all or nothing, right typical internet. there's a long history of hatred for rock in General on pulse in the hot 100 thread, often songs claimed to be rock to attempt to disprove the point, like bloody Valentine are not Rock and is not classified as such on any major notable sites. Once again, you said: People on pulse are always pressed when a rock song dares chart. Strictly speaking, it isn't "always". You simply seem content on narrowing in on examples to suit your narrative. Such as your Bloody Valentine example, which is labeled as "pop punk" on Wikipedia, which happens to be a sub-genre of rock. This is such a strange hill you're choosing to climb; one where you insist "Bang!" is a rock song because Billboard said so, but "Bloody Valentine" is a pop song, but okay. |
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Post by Gary on Jan 12, 2021 19:56:12 GMT -5
Justin Bieber Lands 20th Streaming Songs Top 10 With 'Anyone'
By Kevin Rutherford
1/12/2021
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www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9510299/justin-bieber-20th-streaming-songs-top-10-anyone/Bieber ties The Weeknd and Ariana Grande for the second-most top 10s in the chartβs history. Justin Bieber earns his 20th top 10 on Billboardβs Streaming Songs chart with βAnyone,β which debuts at No. 1 on the tally dated Jan. 16. βAnyoneβ bows with 16.5 million U.S. streams in the tracking week ending Jan. 7, according to MRC Data. Itβs Bieberβs seventh top 10 in the last year, coming nearly a year to the date that βYummyβ started at No. 2 (Jan. 18, 2020), starting a gold rush that included βIntentions,β featuring Quavo (No. 3, Feb. 22, 2020), βStuck With U,β with Ariana Grande (No. 4, May 23, 2020), βHoly,β featuring Chance the Rapperβ (No. 2, Oct. 3, 2020), βLonely,β with Benny Blanco (No. 6, Oct. 31, 2020) and βMonster,β with Shawn Mendes (No. 5, Dec. 5, 2020). Inside Justin Bieber's Flood-The-Zone Approach at Pop Radio With 20 top 10s, Bieber ties Grande and The Weeknd for the second-most top 10s in the history of the Streaming Songs chart, which began in 2013. Drake leads all acts with 48. Most Top 10s, Streaming Songs 48, Drake 20, Ariana Grande 20, Justin Bieber 20, The Weeknd 19, Lil Uzi Vert 19, Post Malone 17, Taylor Swift 15, Juice WRLD 15, Kanye West 15, Travis Scott Of Bieberβs 20 top 10s, four have hit No. 1, most recently via Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankeeβs βDespacito,β on which he was featured, in 2017.
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Post by Groovy on Jan 12, 2021 20:02:42 GMT -5
^It's a miracle that he got three top 10 hits and a number 1 after that abomination of a song Yummy was released.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 20:24:04 GMT -5
Right so in your world, it has to be all or nothing, right typical internet. there's a long history of hatred for rock in General on pulse in the hot 100 thread, often songs claimed to be rock to attempt to disprove the point, like bloody Valentine are not Rock and is not classified as such on any major notable sites. Once again, you said: People on pulse are always pressed when a rock song dares chart. Strictly speaking, it isn't "always". You simply seem content on narrowing in on examples to suit your narrative. Such as your Bloody Valentine example, which is labeled as "pop punk" on Wikipedia, which happens to be a sub-genre of rock. This is such a strange hill you're choosing to climb; one where you insist "Bang!" is a rock song because Billboard said so, but "Bloody Valentine" is a pop song, but okay. Ahh yes a couple songs aren't hated versus hundreds thst have been, both classics and new, so we can't use always. Nit pick much. the real shame is I'm just the latest punching bet so it's okay to attack, while meanwhile we both know thst my point was quite accurate about rock music and the attitude in the hot 100 thread. But because I'm the latest punching bsg, it's easier to attack than agree as it's true and we both know it is true. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2021 20:26:37 GMT -5
Once again, you said: Strictly speaking, it isn't "always". You simply seem content on narrowing in on examples to suit your narrative. Such as your Bloody Valentine example, which is labeled as "pop punk" on Wikipedia, which happens to be a sub-genre of rock. This is such a strange hill you're choosing to climb; one where you insist "Bang!" is a rock song because Billboard said so, but "Bloody Valentine" is a pop song, but okay. Ahh yes a couple songs aren't hated versus hundreds thst have been, both classics and new, so we can't use always. Nit pick much. the real shame is I'm just the latest punching bet so it's okay to attack, while meanwhile we both know thst my point was quite accurate about rock music and the attitude in the hot 100 thread. But because I'm the latest punching bsg, it's easier to attack than agree as it's true and we both know it is true. Okay, so whatβs your solution? Force people to like rock music? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 20:29:01 GMT -5
Right so in your world, it has to be all or nothing, right typical internet. there's a long history of hatred for rock in General on pulse in the hot 100 thread, often songs claimed to be rock to attempt to disprove the point, like bloody Valentine are not Rock and is not classified as such on any major notable sites. Once again, you said: People on pulse are always pressed when a rock song dares chart. Strictly speaking, it isn't "always". You simply seem content on narrowing in on examples to suit your narrative. Such as your Bloody Valentine example, which is labeled as "pop punk" on Wikipedia, which happens to be a sub-genre of rock. This is such a strange hill you're choosing to climb; one where you insist "Bang!" is a rock song because Billboard said so, but "Bloody Valentine" is a pop song, but okay. Name me the last five rock songs that have hit the top ten on the hot 100 that has broad support, as in say 60% of posters commenting on the song, saying they like the song vs they hate it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 20:32:57 GMT -5
Ahh yes a couple songs aren't hated versus hundreds thst have been, both classics and new, so we can't use always. Nit pick much. the real shame is I'm just the latest punching bet so it's okay to attack, while meanwhile we both know thst my point was quite accurate about rock music and the attitude in the hot 100 thread. But because I'm the latest punching bsg, it's easier to attack than agree as it's true and we both know it is true. Okay, so whatβs your solution? Force people to like rock music? Who said there needs to be a solution. I'm not attempting to do anything, usually an acknowledgement a point was made is done and everyone moves on. That's in real life. Pulse though seems to rather to rip stuff apart than admit anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 20:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 12, 2021 20:36:03 GMT -5
Once again, you said: Strictly speaking, it isn't "always". You simply seem content on narrowing in on examples to suit your narrative. Such as your Bloody Valentine example, which is labeled as "pop punk" on Wikipedia, which happens to be a sub-genre of rock. This is such a strange hill you're choosing to climb; one where you insist "Bang!" is a rock song because Billboard said so, but "Bloody Valentine" is a pop song, but okay. Name me the last five rock songs that have hit the top ten on the hot 100 that has broad support, as in say 60% of posters commenting on the song, saying they like the song vs they hate it. Okay - after you name the hundreds of rock songs Pulse has scoffed at. In all seriousness, I doubt youβd find many songs in general that get 60% support from people in here. Most might be indifferent. Iβll also remind you that Pulse is more than the Hot 100 threads. We have an entire forum dedicated to rock and alternative music where there are many rock fans (most of whom would give you major side-eye over your insistence that Bang is a rock song btw). My guess is that over the years, rock fans have moved away from following the Hot 100 because of trends in pop music, as well as rock music itself having a major decline over the last decade and a half. They choose to follow radio charts, where most pop-leaning songs are kept to a minimum (except alternative radio, I suppose). So really, youβre whining at a bunch of pop, R&B and rap fans because they donβt care about rock. Who said there needs to be a solution. I'm not attempting to do anything, usually an acknowledgement a point was made is done and everyone moves on. That's in real life. Pulse though seems to rather to rip stuff apart than admit anything. Fair enough, but I figured all of my posts before were indicative that I didnβt necessarily agree - for reasons explained just above. |
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Post by Mayman on Jan 12, 2021 20:52:46 GMT -5
If you hate and disagree with Pulse so much, why don't you just leave?
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