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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 10, 2021 1:10:37 GMT -5
Maybe she is thinking about the album as more of a concept album in which case the song is more an appendix to a larger and more coherent album than a chance to stream troll. (I say this recognizing, of course, that Doja Cat does appear to appreciate other forms of trolling.)
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Post by kimberly on Jun 10, 2021 2:53:29 GMT -5
And placing KMM as the final track is just a bizarre decision as it won't help that song to reach new peak on charts. I don't know about this. thank u, next had the title track and "7 rings" far down in the track list, along with the third single as the closer, and they were No. 1, 2 & 3 on the Hot 100. we know that for album cuts, the earlier they appear on the tracklist, the better they perform on the Hot 100. but I'm not sure how much the tracklist order matters for the hit singles. "Kiss Me More" is very much likely to hit a new peak on the charts in 2 weeks regardless of the order, I think. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 10, 2021 2:54:57 GMT -5
This song/performance is really... good?
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Post by jthentic on Jun 10, 2021 4:52:05 GMT -5
This song/performance is really... good? Takeoff is a mood lmao |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jun 10, 2021 5:34:06 GMT -5
None of the artists I stan have used a dead man's name for clout. f**k Maroon 5 doing so. Ok, but I'm wondering if the tracks, both the juice wrld and nipsey ones, were completed before they passed, or if their vocals were somehow added after, because this would make a HUGE difference to me at least, being far less palatable if the latter were the case. After all artists die however, they obviously cannot give permission to have their music released, whether it's solo or collab or whatever form, so your outrage would have to be equally shared across all parties wishing to "cash in" or gain "clout." That's definitely something important to take into account, especially for Juice's collaboration. If that happens to be the case, I hope Adam or the band's PR team confirms so, because so far it's been a bad look for them. Some might say Juice wouldn't work with Maroon 5, but he did features for Halsey and Ellie Goulding, and songs like "Cold" have a similar atmosphere to "Without Me" and "Hate Me" (it also happens to be one of the better Maroon 5 songs post-V). Nipsey Hussle's feature, on the other hand, is most likely distasteful graverobbery, as he died in March 2019 whereas "Memories" came out in September 2019, and he didn't seem like someone who would work with a radio-friendly pop band in attempt to crossover. |
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Post by firefox on Jun 10, 2021 5:38:14 GMT -5
not that itunes means much these days, but some contestant from AGT has her song at #2 right now. it's decent. It's so good! Her audition made me cry. 😭 Her lead to the #1 song (Tom Macdonald's Snowflakes) is getting closer. Get that #1 Nightbirde! |
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Post by Gary on Jun 10, 2021 6:52:19 GMT -5
As Maroon 5 has never really put out music that this site liked - the dead people featurings being an issue is not really a surprise
Many though have done it
Here is an example of artist that more people here like:
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 10, 2021 6:53:13 GMT -5
As Maroon 5 has never really put out music that this site liked - the dead people featurings being an issue is not really a surprise Many though have done it Here is an example Lmao, "many people have done it" is not an excuse. It's bad when any artist does it. It's bad when Drake did it, it's bad when Justin Timberlake did it, and it's bad when Maroon 5 will do it |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jun 10, 2021 7:11:05 GMT -5
Graverobbery is a distasteful and vile practice regardless of the artist involved. "Don't Matter To Me" was met with strong backlash too. It's just wrong for an artist to take advantage of someone's death for clout, especially through unreleased songs on a collaboration that likely wouldn't have happened in real life. (for instance, Michael would never work with Timberlake after his poor handling of nipplegate).
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Post by Gary on Jun 10, 2021 7:17:03 GMT -5
But yet....a posthumous album was released where Justin Timberlake was the featuring - so in this case the MJ estate invited him
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 10, 2021 7:19:50 GMT -5
But yet....a posthumous album was released where Justin Timberlake was the featuring Yes. And both this and Hold My Hand were not respectful. What's your point? |
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Post by dovahduck on Jun 10, 2021 7:21:20 GMT -5
This song/performance is really... good? Why was this not a single!? |
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Post by Gary on Jun 10, 2021 7:21:58 GMT -5
whether the estate invites the artist and the artist agrees or the artist gets permission from the estate - it could be viewed as a way to honor their work
So basically I don't agree with the opinion
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jun 10, 2021 7:23:39 GMT -5
But yet....a posthumous album was released where Justin Timberlake was the featuring - so in this case the MJ estate invited him Precisely, the MJ Estate invited him, not Michael Jackson himself, who had passed away and wasn't there to approve this. And it's common knowledge artists' estates tend to be exploitative as hell, and willing to compromise the choices, values, and beliefs of their 'product' for the sake of cash. Or do you think Aaliyah would work with Chris Brown had she been alive in 2013? |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 10, 2021 7:37:57 GMT -5
These arguments are not new at all. The debate of using dead artist's name and likeness has been a public issue ever since the Tupac hologram back in 2012. Samples are fine, but it goes into disrespectful territory when you try and pass off like you're working with someone dead.
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Post by ZERO on Jun 10, 2021 7:58:04 GMT -5
Why was this not a single!? well it is one now!
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Post by ZERO on Jun 10, 2021 7:58:46 GMT -5
It's so good! Her audition made me cry. 😭 Her lead to the #1 song (Tom Macdonald's Snowflakes) is getting closer. Get that #1 Nightbirde! She got it about 30 mins ago of me replying - let's hope it stays there :) |
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Post by Groovy on Jun 10, 2021 8:03:48 GMT -5
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jun 10, 2021 8:16:32 GMT -5
C'mon Ed! I'm counting on you to release something brilliant and get back on the public's good graces.
I know he has it in him, and hopefully "Afterglow" 's underperformance (in the US, at least) didn't change his plans of going back to his roots.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 10, 2021 8:25:21 GMT -5
This song/performance is really... good? Why was this not a single!? Honestly don't know why. It's the first song on the album and it's what they opted to perform but it doesn't look like it'll be getting an official push as a single. Honestly don't know why. It's the first track off the album and it's the one they opted to perform but it doesn't look like it'll be getting an official push as a single. |
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Post by Groovy on Jun 10, 2021 8:37:33 GMT -5
It's crazy because Afterglow did pretty well outside of the US, not as good as his other hits but still well.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jun 10, 2021 9:09:06 GMT -5
Finally some solo Ed Sheeran! I only use Cross Me and Beautiful People from his collab project (and SOTB + Antisocial sometimes).
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jun 10, 2021 9:17:40 GMT -5
currently #49 (+37) on AM US and top 10 in 60 countries (including the UK, Germany, Australia) :posting this before phieaglesfan712:
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 10, 2021 9:30:23 GMT -5
currently #49 (+37) on AM US and in the top 10 in over 60 countries (including the UK, Germany, Australia) :posting this before phieaglesfan712: I guess my #streamBlindingLightsOnAppleMusic hashtag on the 6/12 thread last night worked. Somewhere, kimberly is secretly streaming Blinding Lights on AM. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 10, 2021 9:50:15 GMT -5
Wants and Needs up to #8 on AM, jumping over Late at Night, Wockesha & Yonaguni. It'd be #2 without the Lil Baby/Lil Durk album. I wonder if it'll also register gains in today's Spotify update.
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Post by Groovy on Jun 10, 2021 9:52:34 GMT -5
I love the new sound on AM.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jun 10, 2021 9:58:12 GMT -5
No surprise, Good 4 U surpassed Butter.
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/06/10
1(=) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open 111.85(-0.53)
2(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVĒON) 108.87(-0.82)
3(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 93.53(+0.77)
4(=) The Weeknd & Ariana Grande - Save Your Tears (Remix) 78.73(-0.55)
5(=) The Kid LAROI & Miley Cyrus - WITHOUT YOU (Miley Cyrus Remix) 69.81(+0.05)
6(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 60.88(+0.80)
7(+1) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 57.70(+0.83)
8(-1) Ariana Grande - pov 57.56(-0.13)
9(=) Maroon 5 & Megan Thee Stallion - Beautiful Mistakes 53.16(-0.27) -
10(=) Luke Combs - Forever After All 52.47(-0.01)
16(=) Chris Young & Kane Brown - Famous Friends 41.57(+0.59)
24(+3) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 34.82(+0.81)
38(+5) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 29.44(+1.50)
39(=) BTS - Butter (Cooler Remix) 29.37(+0.57)
52(+3) Justin Moore - We Didn't Have Much 23.84(+0.50)
70(+3) Duncan Laurence - Arcade (feat. FLETCHER) 20.30(+0.54)
-(-) J. Cole, 21 Savage & Morray - m y . l i f e 10.72(+0.50) -(-) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 8.66(+1.27) -(-) Lil Baby & Kirk Franklin - We Win 2.65(+2.42) +
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 10, 2021 10:12:17 GMT -5
not for this chart week but related to the "promo single" convo we had earlier: 🚨 THIS IS NOT A DRILL 🚨 80TH WEEK ON THE HOT 100 CHART 6/26See, I knew you were going to come around and appreciate the greatness of Blinding Lights. |
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Post by lazer on Jun 10, 2021 10:13:58 GMT -5
No surprise, Good 4 U surpassed Butter.
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/06/10
1(=) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open 111.85(-0.53)
2(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVĒON) 108.87(-0.82)
3(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 93.53(+0.77)
4(=) The Weeknd & Ariana Grande - Save Your Tears (Remix) 78.73(-0.55)
5(=) The Kid LAROI & Miley Cyrus - WITHOUT YOU (Miley Cyrus Remix) 69.81(+0.05)
6(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 60.88(+0.80)
7(+1) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 57.70(+0.83)
8(-1) Ariana Grande - pov 57.56(-0.13)
9(=) Maroon 5 & Megan Thee Stallion - Beautiful Mistakes 53.16(-0.27) -
10(=) Luke Combs - Forever After All 52.47(-0.01)
16(=) Chris Young & Kane Brown - Famous Friends 41.57(+0.59)
24(+3) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 34.82(+0.81)
38(+5) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 29.44(+1.50)
39(=) BTS - Butter (Cooler Remix) 29.37(+0.57)
52(+3) Justin Moore - We Didn't Have Much 23.84(+0.50)
70(+3) Duncan Laurence - Arcade (feat. FLETCHER) 20.30(+0.54)
-(-) J. Cole, 21 Savage & Morray - m y . l i f e 10.72(+0.50) -(-) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 8.66(+1.27) -(-) Lil Baby & Kirk Franklin - We Win 2.65(+2.42) +
No surprise there. Even radio knows which one is a bigger hit. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 10, 2021 10:20:27 GMT -5
not for this chart week but related to the "promo single" convo we had earlier: See, I knew you were going to come around and appreciate the greatness of Blinding Lights. Leave Kim out your obsession, you creep |
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