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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 20:12:26 GMT -5
^ dremolus - solarpunk Oh yeah, that's true. It does help they didn't commit any serious offense to be cancelled in the first place, but had their careers affected due to personal vendetta from industry higher-ups (Les Moonves for Janet) or political outrage from their conservative demographic (The Chicks). However, they had their momentum significantly derailed, and Janet's legacy was strongly affected among younger generations (thought her team is also at fault here - her YouTube page is a mess), so I disagree they recovered better than before. I do stand by your main point, though, and it's interesting how those who complain about cancel culture usually do so in defense of domestic abusers and alleged sexual offenders, and of course, tend to see no problem in racist offenses. I have no problem with people facing consequences for their actions but being caught saying the N word once on camera is something that should be punished and forgiven, not something that should destroy someoneβs life forever. That is the difference between accountability and cancellation. IMO, the only offenses worth losing your entire career over are criminal offenses, of which the N word is currently not one. If saying the N word on camera one time isn't enough how many times do they have to say it to satisfy you? And who are u anyways to determine that.Β Is u black? Did your ancestors suffer grave wounds and damage from that word and being lynched and hanged because of it. You have a right to your opinion but I have right ght to read it and throw it into the trash where it belongs baby f**k Morgan Whales and racism apologists  |
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Post by Gary on Jun 6, 2021 20:15:44 GMT -5
'Cancel culture' clearly exists here but 21 weeks later the album is still number four to me this has nothing to do with 'the incident'. There may have been a short spike in consumption the week of the incident from the coverage but People are likely still listening to the album outside of Pulse simply because they enjoy the music
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Post by whales10268 on Jun 6, 2021 20:56:03 GMT -5
I have no problem with people facing consequences for their actions but being caught saying the N word once on camera is something that should be punished and forgiven, not something that should destroy someoneβs life forever. That is the difference between accountability and cancellation. IMO, the only offenses worth losing your entire career over are criminal offenses, of which the N word is currently not one. If saying the N word on camera one time isn't enough how many times do they have to say it to satisfy you? And who are u anyways to determine that.Β Is u black? Did your ancestors suffer grave wounds and damage from that word and being lynched and hanged because of it. You have a right to your opinion but I have right ght to read it and throw it into the trash where it belongs baby f**k Morgan Whales and racism apologists You seem like a very unhappy person. I wish the best for you and hope you stop viewing yourself as a victim at some point and take agency over your life rather than acting like your life is over because someone somewhere that you will never meet and whose success has no impact on your life said a word while drunk and not in any sort of racial context. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 21:09:46 GMT -5
If saying the N word on camera one time isn't enough how many times do they have to say it to satisfy you? And who are u anyways to determine that.Β Is u black? Did your ancestors suffer grave wounds and damage from that word and being lynched and hanged because of it. You have a right to your opinion but I have right ght to read it and throw it into the trash where it belongs baby f**k Morgan Whales and racism apologists You seem like a very unhappy person. I wish the best for you and hope you stop viewing yourself as a victim at some point and take agency over your life rather than acting like your life is over because someone somewhere that you will never meet and whose success has no impact on your life said a word while drunk and not in any sort of racial context. You just pulled that assessment out your ass calling out racism apologist doesn't equate as victim or not taking agency of one's life. My life is wonderful and that's because of my own choices. As I expected you are who I thought you were trash! and your subtle undertones expose who u are and why Morgan speaks to you and for you. Unhappy?girl I beam happiness! You just beam racist and ignorant and I'll pray for u |
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Post by whales10268 on Jun 6, 2021 21:12:30 GMT -5
You seem like a very unhappy person. I wish the best for you and hope you stop viewing yourself as a victim at some point and take agency over your life rather than acting like your life is over because someone somewhere that you will never meet and whose success has no impact on your life said a word while drunk and not in any sort of racial context. You just pulled that assessment out your ass calling out racism apologist doesn't equate as victim or not taking agency of one's life. My life is wonderful and that's because of my own choices. As I expected you are who I thought you were trash! and your subtle undertones expose who u are and why Morgan speaks to you and for you. Unhappy?girl I beam happiness! Iβll take your word for it but seeming so easily deeply offended communicates otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 21:13:28 GMT -5
What I'm doing was calling out your own words what you're doing is making assumptions and gaslighting there is a difference. I'm too old to fall for these stunts girl. You deflecting and blame shifting what your post said to me was you being an apologist and nothing changes my opinion based on your words.
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Jun 6, 2021 21:14:03 GMT -5
Of all the people to come for on pulse, you chose Coco lmao. The audacity
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Post by whales10268 on Jun 6, 2021 21:18:23 GMT -5
Thinking someoneβs career shouldnβt end because they drunkenly said the N word once (yes he may βsay it all the timeβ but you donβt have proof) doesnβt make me a racism apologist but clearly thereβs nothing I can do to convince you of that, you have clearly already made and would never waver from your initial assessment you made based off of very little knowledge about who I am. I hope you have a good day and know there is no ill will from me!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 6, 2021 22:36:18 GMT -5
The downside to Morganβs situation after his βcancelationβ is that it pushes him further toward an audience that will embrace his racism and undo any possible apologies or actions he might have done or wanted to do to improve himself. Now heβs in bed with the Kid Rocks and whoever else of the world, which might affect his music? or maybe not, if he was one of countryβs golden boys going into this. And no matter how hard Gary wishes it so, quite a bit of his growing popularity very likely stemmed from the incident. Iβm sure many of his continued listeners were legit fans of his music and donβt care about the person behind it, but your head would have to be pretty deep in the sand to think the incident didnβt draw in new fans who are proud of their ignorance and racism.
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Post by gikem on Jun 6, 2021 22:52:39 GMT -5
The remix of Peaches, which replaces Daniel Caesar and Giveon with Usher, Snoop Dogg, and Ludacris, is out now on Apple Music. Should be available elsewhere soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 23:04:17 GMT -5
Coco was nicer than I was. She'll call you a racism apologist, I'll just call you the racist that you are with no modifiers. Don't at me or message me about it if that sentence speaks to you bc I truly give as little f**ks about your feelings as you clearly do about mine.
This is not Mickey speaking theoretically. She has other tweets where she tags the country artists who have been supportive to her, so she 100% made that first tweet because she has heard him (and others, I'm sure) say it before at any number of events. So we can let that 'how do you know he said it more than that one time' s**t go. Come on y'all. You know that we know. "Cancel culture" doesn't exist until some execs running corporation decide it does but it is not worth my energy or time to try to educate those who clearly do not want to be educated. Just putting it on record that Morgan Wallen's "incident" is not, in fact, his only time using that word.
I agree with Mickey's second tweet (to an extent, some people can fall all the way the f**k off the earth forever as far as I'm concerned) when she says she does not support the idea of "cancelling" people permanently. I believe in accountability and I do think that with accountability it is possible for someone to redeem themselves, sometimes even quickly. This is the real problem I have with people who keep arguing that Morgan shouldn't be 'punished' for one mistake, and is often the reason why those who do go hard in the paint about 'cancelling' folks do so. Should his career permanently end because of one misstep? If he learns his lesson, no. But if he suffers no consequences even in the short term, when will he ever learn anything? He didn't just step on someone's tennis shoe in the club here; he hurled a known racial slur that, when coming out of the mouth of a white person, is strongly associated with violent imagery. And Morgan has been consistently making other mistakes, it's not just the N-word. In general the man is a f**king trainwreck whose name I only ever hear outside of country circles when he's doing dumb ass s**t. He keeps showing that he has no interest in not being a dumb ass, and he has yet to face even one minor setback to encourage him to hold an ounce of self-control for longer than one album cycle.
It's entirely possible that being put on ice by country radio and his label for a few months might have been the kick in the pants he needed, and if that is indeed the case it is actually even more ridiculous that anyone would be upset that he was 'punished,' because that would mean the punishment did its job - it would mean that he finally realized he needs to be a better person in all aspects (or at least act like a better person in public) - and shouldn't that be the goal? Shouldn't you want the guy to be a better human being? Or are you just bothered because if a white A-list celebrity in his field was forced to be a better person, that means that you, a non-celebrity with far less money and clout to avoid consequences need to be better in your life too, and that's just too high a bar for you to reach?
When a celeb goes too far too long without a visible marker of accountability, the cancel crowd gets louder, not because they're overreacting but because it's further proof that the bar is on the floor in our society and that there just aren't enough decent human beings left in the world. Not even asking for people with hearts or compassion or empathy...literally just asking for some basic decent behavior and a little impulse control, and we can't even expect that much. This is why people are still salty about Chris Brown. Dude has gone an entire decade+ being a veritable piece of cracked out s**t because when the mainstream 'canceled' him the urban community rushed in to take care of him and make sure he didn't have to suffer any real consequences.
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Post by atg on Jun 6, 2021 23:32:36 GMT -5
The remix of Peaches, which replaces Daniel Caesar and Giveon with Usher, Snoop Dogg, and Ludacris, is out now on Apple Music. Should be available elsewhere soon. That one guy from Baby, that one guy from somebody to love and that one guy who roasted JB back in the day, you love to see it. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 6, 2021 23:38:56 GMT -5
Thinking someoneβs career shouldnβt end because they drunkenly said the N word once (yes he may βsay it all the timeβ but you donβt have proof) doesnβt make me a racism apologist but clearly thereβs nothing I can do to convince you of that, you have clearly already made and would never waver from your initial assessment you made based off of very little knowledge about who I am. I hope you have a good day and know there is no ill will from me! I don't think you understand the gravity of words, even when said once. When someone calls my trans friends 'f*gs' or that they should have no rights or be killed, that's more than them just being mean, that's them devaluing their dignity and rights as a human being. When someone calls me 'r*tard*d' and tries to use my autism as an insult, that's not just them being playful or jokey, that's them using misunderstandings about mental handicaps as an excuse to be bigoted. And when someone calls their neighbours "stupid, f**king n******", that is them being explicitly racist and hateful and using a term that's been considered hateful for decades now. There is no difference in what Moran did and what happened in the video below me. Words f**king matter okay. There should be no measurement for how many times a person says hateful s**t, you need to be held accountable for what you say, just like how you need to be held accountable for what you do, accident or otherwise. And if you are hateful and cause harm to other people, it's not enough that you say sorry. You need to actively do your best to make up and be better. I don't think anyone on Pulse has ever said his career needs to be over, just there needs to be consequences and he must learn. |
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Post by Music Fan on Jun 6, 2021 23:51:34 GMT -5
'Cancel culture' clearly exists here but 21 weeks later the album is still number four to me this has nothing to do with 'the incident'. There may have been a short spike in consumption the week of the incident from the coverage but People are likely still listening to the album outside of Pulse simply because they enjoy the music This is spot on. Obviously, he received a major bump the week(s) following the incident from people who would have otherwise not cared about him. But, the fact that his album remains a Top 5 on Billboard, and his songs have decent streams this long after is simply a testament to how much people enjoyed the album as it is. If it were for any other reason, we'd have artists like Joy Villa (can we really call her an artist) have whatever songs she had be semi-decent hits. I've never been a person who stops listening to an artist because they got into x scandal, said x thing, etc -- with the exception of Chris Brown post the Rihanna incident. If I like a song, I'll listen to it (just not as much as I would have otherwise). And, that very well may be a flaw I have, and one that the general population has. I do wish his quiet radio period would've lasted longer, and that there would've been some semblance that he changed for the better before radio gave him another chance, but it's not hard to see why radio stations wouldn't mind jumping back on the Morgan wagon when his songs are still extremely popular. |
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Post by shayonce on Jun 7, 2021 0:26:56 GMT -5
I mean.. the outrage was coming from outside mostly. his fanbase and target market clearly don't care about that much and deeply which is not surprising.
also at this point.. in 2021, I think many young people in general don't think it's that huge problem as in boycott level.
and that very quick boycott from radio and all that coverage did helped him more, unifying his fanbase.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 1:11:20 GMT -5
I think Morgan Wallen being reinstated on Country radio was pretty much inevitable, he's too much of a cash cow to permanently blacklist (and strong streaming numbers have shown that his audience is willing to look past/ignore his misdoings).
On that note, my man Luke is still in the clear, so I hope he doesn't do something stupid and f**k it up.
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Post by Anticonformity on Jun 7, 2021 1:20:14 GMT -5
The remix of Peaches, which replaces Daniel Caesar and Giveon with Usher, Snoop Dogg, and Ludacris, is out now on Apple Music. Should be available elsewhere soon. A version I can stan! |
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Post by monkeydluffy on Jun 7, 2021 1:27:26 GMT -5
If saying the N word on camera one time isn't enough how many times do they have to say it to satisfy you? And who are u anyways to determine that. Is u black? Did your ancestors suffer grave wounds and damage from that word and being lynched and hanged because of it. You have a right to your opinion but I have right ght to read it and throw it into the trash where it belongs baby f**k Morgan Whales and racism apologists You seem like a very unhappy person. I wish the best for you and hope you stop viewing yourself as a victim at some point and take agency over your life rather than acting like your life is over because someone somewhere that you will never meet and whose success has no impact on your life said a word while drunk and not in any sort of racial context. If you're playing this off so casually, then you truly don't and will never understand what that word truly means. This person isn't "playing the victim" at all. If anyone who is white uses that word, anyone who is or isn't a minority has the right to be offended because of what that word means to those who aren't white, regardless of who said it or their success. Also, if he said it so casually while drunk, you know he says it sober around those he is comfortable with. It doesn't matter if it was with alcohol or in a racial context. Get cultured. Sheesh. |
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Post by starlord on Jun 7, 2021 2:35:57 GMT -5
The remix of Peaches, which replaces Daniel Caesar and Giveon with Usher, Snoop Dogg, and Ludacris, is out now on Apple Music. Should be available elsewhere soon. This is going to be as useless as Life is good Remix. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 7, 2021 2:36:42 GMT -5
I figured that when Justin sang that he got his weed from California that a remix like this one was probably inevitable, and Luda being from Georgia makes perfect sense too.
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Post by gikem on Jun 7, 2021 6:36:07 GMT -5
I figured that when Justin sang that he got his weed from California that a remix like this one was probably inevitable, and Luda being from Georgia makes perfect sense too. I think Usher is from Georgia too? Or at the very least he reps Atlanta. |
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Post by whales10268 on Jun 7, 2021 7:00:34 GMT -5
People have the right to be offended about Morgan Wallen saying what he said, all Iβm saying is that I think heβs met the level of punishment he deserves already and if you disagree thatβs fine. If you disagree, how long do you think he needs to be blacklisted from radio to fully suffer for his sins?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 7, 2021 7:16:43 GMT -5
People have the right to be offended about Morgan Wallen saying what he said, all Iβm saying is that I think heβs met the level of punishment he deserves already and if you disagree thatβs fine. If you disagree, how long do you think he needs to be blacklisted from radio to fully suffer for his sins? How bout until he works with the NAACP and has regular work (not just one off meetings) with other pro-black organizations |
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Post by whales10268 on Jun 7, 2021 7:32:39 GMT -5
People have the right to be offended about Morgan Wallen saying what he said, all Iβm saying is that I think heβs met the level of punishment he deserves already and if you disagree thatβs fine. If you disagree, how long do you think he needs to be blacklisted from radio to fully suffer for his sins? How bout until he works with the NAACP and has regular work (not just one off meetings) with other pro-black organizationsΒ Iβd hope that if he did meet with these organizations people would actually forgive him. Something tells me it still would not be good enough for many. |
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Post by algo on Jun 7, 2021 7:35:42 GMT -5
People have the right to be offended about Morgan Wallen saying what he said, all Iβm saying is that I think heβs met the level of punishment he deserves already and if you disagree thatβs fine. If you disagree, how long do you think he needs to be blacklisted from radio to fully suffer for his sins? is it really "suffering" if all the majority of the people who were mad either didn't know who he was or didn't care about him or his music in the first place? is it really "suffering" if all that happened was getting his radio airplay set to 0 which ended up doing nothing for his album which was still mass bought by country fans and is at #4 on the billboard 200? :) let's all admit that he was met with the bare minimum of facing consequence for his actions and will probably be welcomed back with open arms (from people who didn't even care what he did to begin with) in no time. |
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Post by whales10268 on Jun 7, 2021 7:37:56 GMT -5
People have the right to be offended about Morgan Wallen saying what he said, all Iβm saying is that I think heβs met the level of punishment he deserves already and if you disagree thatβs fine. If you disagree, how long do you think he needs to be blacklisted from radio to fully suffer for his sins? is it really "suffering" if all the majority of the people who were mad either didn't know who he was or didn't care about him or his music in the first place? is it really "suffering" if all that happened was getting his radio airplay set to 0 which ended up doing nothing for his album which was still mass bought by country fans and is at #4 on the billboard 200?Β :) Β let's all admit that he was met with the bare minimum of facing consequence for his actions and will probably be welcomed back with open arms (from people who didn't even care what he did to begin with) in no time. You think people should be banned from buying/streaming his album? |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 7, 2021 7:40:32 GMT -5
How bout until he works with the NAACP and has regular work (not just one off meetings) with other pro-black organizations Iβd hope that if he did meet with these organizations people would actually forgive him. Something tells me it still would not be good enough for many. Maybe because simply meeting with these organizations is the bare minimum. Actually working with them and advocating for anti-racist protection and policies is all we're asking him to do. Y'know actually change |
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Post by algo on Jun 7, 2021 7:42:43 GMT -5
is it really "suffering" if all the majority of the people who were mad either didn't know who he was or didn't care about him or his music in the first place? is it really "suffering" if all that happened was getting his radio airplay set to 0 which ended up doing nothing for his album which was still mass bought by country fans and is at #4 on the billboard 200?  let's all admit that he was met with the bare minimum of facing consequence for his actions and will probably be welcomed back with open arms (from people who didn't even care what he did to begin with) in no time. You think people should be banned from buying/streaming his album? where did i say that? i said the only damage his career hit was getting his radio taken away, but that does nothing when his (seemingly large) fanbase was still streaming and buying away. his singles fell off prematurely, but his album still being top 5 lets everyone know that what he did didn't affect his success as an artist and everything you've posted leads me to believe you couldn't care less about what repercussions he has/should've been met with and you're just waiting for it to be over |
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Post by whales10268 on Jun 7, 2021 7:48:47 GMT -5
You think people should be banned from buying/streaming his album? where did i say that? i said the only damage his career hit was getting his radio taken away, but that does nothing when his (seemingly large) fanbase was still streaming and buying away. his singles fell off prematurely, but his album still being top 5 lets everyone know that what he did didn't affect his success as an artist and everything you've posted leads me to believe you couldn't care less about what repercussions he has/should've been met with and you're just waiting for it to be over I wish heβd never said the N word, the only point Iβm trying to make is that the punishment will never be enough for some people. I just like his music and I understand if this incident makes people not Wanna listen to him. But it will not be enjoyable for me to hear this stuff every time his name is brought up or he releases a single or album for the rest of his career, which I feel is likely to happen. |
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Post by algo on Jun 7, 2021 7:55:55 GMT -5
where did i say that? i said the only damage his career hit was getting his radio taken away, but that does nothing when his (seemingly large) fanbase was still streaming and buying away. his singles fell off prematurely, but his album still being top 5 lets everyone know that what he did didn't affect his success as an artist and everything you've posted leads me to believe you couldn't care less about what repercussions he has/should've been met with and you're just waiting for it to be over I wish heβd never said the N word, the only point Iβm trying to make is that the punishment will never be enough for some people. I just like his music and I understand if this incident makes people not Wanna listen to him. But it will not be enjoyable for me to hear this stuff every time his name is brought up or he releases a single or album for the rest of his career, which I feel is likely to happen. i'm not going to continue flooding this thread, but you can't get mad when you stan a problematic artist and people talk about their problematic behavior. if you have an issue with other people discussing his use of slurs while conversing about him, that is on YOU and you can take that up with God |
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let's all admit that he was met with the bare minimum of facing consequence for his actions and will probably be welcomed back with open arms (from people who didn't even care what he did to begin with) in no time.