Billboard Hot 100: 07/03/2021

[dremolus - solarpunk]

"Let's fight the overwhelming whiteness of radio by supporting only one Korean act! That'll solve racism!"

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 30, 2021 13:59:19 GMT -5 pancakes said:

Weird analogy. Unlike politics where people’s rights may be at stake, there is nothing at stake here other than maybe Billboard’s reputation.

My comparison wasn't that both are equal in impact, obviously gerrymandering is way worse than ARMY's abusing loopholes. My point was that even though they are legal, both are wrong and gaming the system and thus don't actively represent the GP

[phieaglesfan712]

Jun 30, 2021 21:27:24 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Jun 30, 2021 21:21:14 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Nah, I don't really care too much about what song is #100. I'd rather much talk about whether songs with very bad streaming numbers, like Almost Maybes and One Too Many, deserve to be charting at all. Maybe it's time to bring back UGC to the Hot 100 formula, or maybe tighten the 50/20 recurrent rule.

phi, I think we all know your topics, without you telling us.😂

The thing is, Billboard's recurrency rules are so arbitrary, and it's even gotten worse since the removal of UGC. Heck, Sucker and I Don't Care's runs were artificially extended because of this. Then, Blinding Lights lost a week on the charts when it would have otherwise been the 6th or 7th biggest non-holiday song. Now, we've got songs out for several months with very bad streaming numbers taking away spots from more deserving bubbling under songs. (Almost Maybes almost near the Top 40, really?) This to me is a bigger problem than Butter being #1.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jun 30, 2021 21:33:40 GMT -5 gikem said:

It’s now gotten to the point where Forbes has taken notice of Mark’s comments and is now using them for a counterargument against him, apparently without his explicit permission, and ignoring the larger context of his argument.

www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2021/06/30/btss-enduring-success-is-forcing-people-to-rethink-the-charts/

I think this article spends too much time arguing against the suggestion that people are trying to claim BTS aren't successful or even massive (which I don't really think anyone is saying?) rather than what it thinks it's commenting on, which is chart integrity and accuracy.

[kindofbiased]

Responsible journalism is when you use your position at one of the biggest publications in the country to write an article geared toward the single biggest fanbase on social media attacking a random youtuber who criticized a kpop group and their record label

Without telling that youtuber beforehand

[phieaglesfan712]

Also, do we really need a 3-day lag between the end of the sales/streaming tracking period and the one for radio? Why can't we have the radio tracking period be Friday-Thursday to match sales/streaming, so we can have the charts revealed on Friday like ARIA and the UK charts.

[Clode]

Jun 30, 2021 21:56:22 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jun 30, 2021 21:27:24 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

phi, I think we all know your topics, without you telling us.😂

The thing is, Billboard's recurrency rules are so arbitrary, and it's even gotten worse since the removal of UGC. Heck, Sucker and I Don't Care's runs were artificially extended because of this. Then, Blinding Lights lost a week on the charts when it would have otherwise been the 6th or 7th biggest non-holiday song. Now, we've got songs out for several months with very bad streaming numbers taking away spots from more deserving bubbling under songs. (Almost Maybes almost near the Top 40, really?) This to me is a bigger problem than Butter being #1.

That might simply have to do with the fact that Radio itself carries a significant amount of weight on the Hot 100, So even if certain songs such as the one you just mentioned "Almost Maybes" and also "Minimum Wage" are streaming and selling very poorly, Radio will be able to make up for the weak performance of the song in those other metrics. 

[chartfreak]

Jun 30, 2021 22:19:54 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Also, do we really need a 3-day lag between the end of the sales/streaming tracking period and the one for radio? Why can't we have the radio tracking period be Friday-Thursday to match sales/streaming, so we can have the charts revealed on Friday like ARIA and the UK charts.

I agree, I never understood this!

[Spectrum Pulse]

First off, appreciate y'all mostly understanding what I'm doing here. Given the tidal wave I've been seeing today, it's nice to see some folks who appreciate what I do. :)

Did not expect that I would have to both fend off ~15 attempts to hack my Twitter and YouTube channel via the 'forgot password' method - which doesn't work when I have two-factor authentication - and then email a major publication that used my name directly without a request for comment and broad misrepresentations of my points, and then bcc my lawyer on it...

Such is Wednesday, I guess.

[gs]

Jun 30, 2021 22:30:06 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Jun 30, 2021 22:19:54 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Also, do we really need a 3-day lag between the end of the sales/streaming tracking period and the one for radio? Why can't we have the radio tracking period be Friday-Thursday to match sales/streaming, so we can have the charts revealed on Friday like ARIA and the UK charts.

I agree, I never understood this!

streaming takes a while to be finalized iirc, sometimes there's data glitches and it takes a while to resolve, so the lag gives them as much time as needed to ensure the data is fully finalized

the AUS and UK charts must do some last day estimates or something

[edward]

Jun 30, 2021 22:40:59 GMT -5 Spectrum Pulse said:

First off, appreciate y'all mostly understanding what I'm doing here. Given the tidal wave I've been seeing today, it's nice to see some folks who appreciate what I do. :)

Did not expect that I would have to both fend off ~15 attempts to hack my Twitter and YouTube channel via the 'forgot password' method - which doesn't work when I have two-factor authentication - and then email a major publication that used my name directly without a request for comment and broad misrepresentations of my points, and then bcc my lawyer on it...

Such is Wednesday, I guess.

God, the mental illness, they need to seek help immediately.
Props to your honesty and bravery, this is so scary.

[thyler]

Jun 30, 2021 22:40:59 GMT -5 Spectrum Pulse said:

First off, appreciate y'all mostly understanding what I'm doing here. Given the tidal wave I've been seeing today, it's nice to see some folks who appreciate what I do.

Did not expect that I would have to both fend off ~15 attempts to hack my Twitter and YouTube channel via the 'forgot password' method - which doesn't work when I have two-factor authentication - and then email a major publication that used my name directly without a request for comment and broad misrepresentations of my points, and then bcc my lawyer on it...

Such is Wednesday, I guess.

the stans are literally the reason why bts is hated by a lot of people. they think that mark is "fishing for traffic and engagement to fill his pockets" when literally he's been doing this for like years now and his videos are literally copyright claimed, meaning he can't earn from it. and they are also mad at him for posting the link to olivia's brutal so they automatically tagged him as biased. 

and stans hacking into mark's account is also a reason on why two-factor authorization is very important nowadays.

[nathanalbright]

That feeling when a forum of random music fans has more responsible journalism than supposed responsible journalists.

[atg]

At this point, I think we could say that BTS sold out in America faster and harder than Maroon 5 ever did, and we’re talking about THE most generic act in music right now.

[lazer]

Imagine being one of the biggest news and magazine company and attacking a small Youtuber without their permission just to please the A*my

[dremolus - solarpunk]

I just realized I've seen a lot of excuses for ARMY stan buying practices and yet none of the BTS supporters or ARMY stans on Pulse have yet to actually condemn these other ARMY actions:

- harrassing Twitter accounts like Popcrave and TOTC for "biased reporting" (and in the case of Popcrave, they actively got the account temporarily suspended)
- sending death threats towards Lady Gaga and racist comments towards Olivia Rodrigo
- now trying to hack Spectrum Pulse's account

I've accepted that they're never not gonna be in favor of mass buying. Fine whatever. The least (and I do mean the absolute minimum) y'all could do though is say all of this is wrong, at least take a stand against harassment within your own standom. No bulls**t excuse, no whataboutism, no "just a few bad apples" s**t, just say these actions are bad and are unacceptable. Can we atleast agree online harassment should not be tolerated, regardless of which artist we like or don't like?

[meg]

Jul 1, 2021 3:19:00 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

I just realized I've seen a lot of excuses for ARMY stan buying practices and yet none of the BTS supporters or ARMY stans on Pulse have yet to actually condemn these other ARMY actions:

- harrassing Twitter accounts like Popcrave and TOTC for "biased reporting" (and in the case of Popcrave, they actively got the account temporarily suspended)
- sending death threats towards Lady Gaga and racist comments towards Olivia Rodrigo
-

Popcrave wasn't army doing. Some western fandom get mad at them for something and did it.

You all keep talking army sending dead threats, being racist, doxing people and all that. But a week ago a blackpink/olivia stan started a space when few thousand people joined and started calling BTS chink chonks, saying one of the member rape them, saying they don't have dicks and they are women. We have recordings of that. And those were accounts with 2k-10k followers. The next day they started again and again. Armys are the worst fandom? They never do half of the things blinks do but you will not talk about them when you stan BP yourself.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 1, 2021 3:39:21 GMT -5 meg said:

Jul 1, 2021 3:19:00 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

I just realized I've seen a lot of excuses for ARMY stan buying practices and yet none of the BTS supporters or ARMY stans on Pulse have yet to actually condemn these other ARMY actions:

- harrassing Twitter accounts like Popcrave and TOTC for "biased reporting" (and in the case of Popcrave, they actively got the account temporarily suspended)
- sending death threats towards Lady Gaga and racist comments towards Olivia Rodrigo
-

Popcrave wasn't army doing. Some western fandom get mad at them for something and did it.

You all keep talking army sending dead threats, being racist, doxing people and all that. But a week ago a blackpink/olivia stan started a space when few thousand people joined and started calling BTS chink chonks, saying one of the member rape them, saying they don't have dicks and they are women. We have recordings of that. And those were accounts with 2k-10k followers. The next day they started again and again. Armys are the worst fandom? They never do half of the things blinks do but you will not talk about them when you stan BP yourself.

What did I just say? I just said no doing whataboutism and to say harassment is bad from any standom and you didn't do that. Amazing.

[meg]

Jul 1, 2021 3:45:16 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jul 1, 2021 3:39:21 GMT -5 meg said:

Popcrave wasn't army doing. Some western fandom get mad at them for something and did it.

You all keep talking army sending dead threats, being racist, doxing people and all that. But a week ago a blackpink/olivia stan started a space when few thousand people joined and started calling BTS chink chonks, saying one of the member rape them, saying they don't have dicks and they are women. We have recordings of that. And those were accounts with 2k-10k followers. The next day they started again and again. Armys are the worst fandom? They never do half of the things blinks do but you will not talk about them when you stan BP yourself.

What did I just say? I just said no doing whataboutism and to say harassment is bad from any standom and you didn't do that. Amazing.

Once again ignoring what other fandoms are doing to BTS. Okay I got it. Why do I expect from a kpop gg stan.
Armys being a little mean to a white man? Yeah I don't care as long as they are not creating spaces to be openly racist and homophobic and are not trending hateful hashtags towards any specific people. Or making posts about how they got raped by them. Because this is what's happening to BTS daily.

[meg]

That's why I will never take any of you serious when you talk army is the worst fandom and you compare it to trump supporters. 

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 1, 2021 3:52:29 GMT -5 meg said:

Jul 1, 2021 3:45:16 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

What did I just say? I just said no doing whataboutism and to say harassment is bad from any standom and you didn't do that. Amazing.

Once again ignoring what other fandoms are doing to BTS. Okay I got it. Why do I expect from a kpop gg stan.
Armys being a little mean to a white man? Yeah I don't care as long as they are not creating spaces to be openly racist and homophobic and are not trending hateful hashtags towards any specific people. Or making posts about how they got raped by them. Because this is what's happening to BTS daily.

What Blackpink stans are doing is awful and disrepectful and they should be punished. All stans that does this, BP, BTS, or any other acts, should be penalized.

Was that so hard to say?

[willapted33]

Jul 1, 2021 3:52:29 GMT -5 meg said:

Jul 1, 2021 3:45:16 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

What did I just say? I just said no doing whataboutism and to say harassment is bad from any standom and you didn't do that. Amazing.

Armys being a little mean to a white man? Yeah I don't care as long as they are not creating spaces to be openly racist and homophobic and are not trending hateful hashtags towards any specific people.

so having numerous people blindly attack a relatively small youtuber for the sake of it is acceptable to you? doesn't warrant any level of condemning? charming attitude right there

[singingrulebritannia]

Listen, BTS has had their share of hardships, but you'd better crack out the tissues because when I tell you about the struggle of BOFA you'll be crying for days

[dremolus - solarpunk]

So you can harass and bully someone just as long as you're not racist or homophobic, got it!

[lyhom]

I know that this is far from exclusive to the crazy subsection of bts fans but it's still not great seeing someone get an incessant harassment mob sicced on them for the crime of suggesting that maybe a label abusing a loophole so that two digital singles which are alike in every way aside from the cover art still count as different versions for bulk buying limits is a concerning precedent to set

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 1, 2021 3:19:00 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

I just realized I've seen a lot of excuses for ARMY stan buying practices and yet none of the BTS supporters or ARMY stans on Pulse have yet to actually condemn these other ARMY actions:

- harrassing Twitter accounts like Popcrave and TOTC for "biased reporting" (and in the case of Popcrave, they actively got the account temporarily suspended)
- sending death threats towards Lady Gaga and racist comments towards Olivia Rodrigo
- now trying to hack Spectrum Pulse's account

I've accepted that they're never not gonna be in favor of mass buying. Fine whatever. The least (and I do mean the absolute minimum) y'all could do though is say all of this is wrong, at least take a stand against harassment within your own standom. No bulls**t excuse, no whataboutism, no "just a few bad apples" s**t, just say these actions are bad and are unacceptable. Can we atleast agree online harassment should not be tolerated, regardless of which artist we like or don't like?

Nah. It’s always someone else’s fault. Remember: army is perfect, polite, respectful. Everyone else is racist, poor and uneducated.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

I'll be glad when this discussion thread is closed, although I have no doubt the lingering issue will continue until Butter is no longer #1 ...

[Gary]

Maybe we should have a separate thread for that since it will clearly continue for some time

Call it BTS army (and Billboard ) v Pulse Hot 100 army

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 1, 2021 7:58:57 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

I'll be glad when this discussion thread is closed, although I have no doubt the lingering issue will continue until Butter is no longer #1 ...

The more I look at it, I'm amazed at how the Lil Baby/Lil Durk album chart thread (6/19) only got to 21 pages. Either we skipped over the issue that week, the album had very little impact, or a combination of both. I mean, we had 2 weeks (6/12 and this week) that had nothing going for it, and we still got into the upper 20s of pages.

[Az Paynter]

I am dead that there is literally an excuse for E V E R Y T H I N G. Imagine being that toxic and disgusting and it STILL somehow being everyone else's fault.