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Post by Groovy on Jun 19, 2021 19:11:32 GMT -5
I’m a little late to the party but I’ve been going through your honorary number 1s and couldn’t help but notice y’all left out some of the other iconic songs that didn’t top the charts such as Lights, Don’t Start Now, Happier, Stressed Out, Heathens, Radioactive, Some Nights, etc.
Edit: Can’t forget about Bad Romance and Need You Now
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Post by narp on Jun 19, 2021 19:17:30 GMT -5
I’d personally only count the three (maybe 4 in the near future?) YE #1s that hit #2 as honorary #1 hits because it’s honestly a bigger feat than going #1 in the first place.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 19, 2021 20:15:26 GMT -5
I see BOBD and SUBG mentioned for this a lot, but I don't think I ever see anyone bring up HIOLI (probably bc someone who doesn't like that Candy Shop blocked two big rock/pop hits couldn't care less that 50 also blocked a rap song that he was featured on). The perception of SUBG as a 'robbed' #2 is somewhat revisionist history, though. At the time, fans were actually excited about that peak because no one was expecting Kelly to get that high, especially that late into the single's run (I think it was four months in). In SUBG's CHR thread here the posters were just elated to see her at #1 on pop so hitting #2 on the Hot 100 for one week was a bonus celebration. The longevity of her singles is what was running the album sales up and I think that's what the fans cared about the most. It was around the early 2010s when talk about 'unfair' #2 peaks started becoming more commonplace and SUBG would get thrown into that category, but that says more about how well it held up over time combined with how poorly Candy Shop aged (when #1 hits age well, people tend to complain a lot less about the songs they blocked, e.g. almost no one complains about any of the songs We Belong Together blocked that same year) than it does about anyone thinking it was unfair in 2005. It’s because we knew that a Pop song had absolutely no chance of hitting #1 on the Hot 100 at that time. Going top ten was the best that Pulse Diva stans could hope for. Only problem with this is that Carrie Underwood proved otherwise, and interrupted WBT's run at #1. The thing is, Kelly should have pushed Walk Away as the 2nd single, instead of SUBG. WA had the most potential of all the singles on Breakaway, and would have given her a better chance to beat out Candy Shop for the #1. |
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Post by Push The Button on Jun 19, 2021 20:40:04 GMT -5
It’s because we knew that a Pop song had absolutely no chance of hitting #1 on the Hot 100 at that time. Going top ten was the best that Pulse Diva stans could hope for. Only problem with this is that Carrie Underwood proved otherwise, and interrupted WBT's run at #1. The thing is, Kelly should have pushed Walk Away as the 2nd single, instead of SUBG. WA had the most potential of all the singles on Breakaway, and would have given her a better chance to beat out Candy Shop for the #1. Lol that was an American Idol physical single. |
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Post by s9983 on Jun 19, 2021 22:16:45 GMT -5
So does doja not rly have a chance against tyler for the #1 album next week? He usually has pretty great streaming numbers
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Post by kimberly on Jun 19, 2021 22:31:21 GMT -5
So does doja not rly have a chance against tyler for the #1 album next week? He usually has pretty great streaming numbers his past opening week totals: Goblin (2011) - 45,000 sales & #5 debut Wolf (2013) - 89,000 sales & #3 debut Cherry Bomb (2015) - 58,000 SPS & #4 debut Flower Boy (2017) - 106,000 SPS & #2 debut IGOR (2019) - 165,000 SPS & #1 debuthis last two albums sold 70k and 74k pure respectively, which could translate into some healthy sales for the project. However, "Lumberjack" is performing a lot worse than "Earfquake" did initially, and I'm not sure how that's going to reflect on the album numbers. I kind of feel like the outcome will really depend on how Doja's album is received more than Tyler's, if that makes sense. it feels like it's Tyler's race to lose. |
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Post by 85la on Jun 20, 2021 1:13:38 GMT -5
I'm curious to see how Red holds up to more modern production, especially the poppier singles that were very much tailored to the sound of 2012-2013. I still really like 22 (I mean, as a 22-year-old myself, I'm inclined to say that), and WANEGBT, her first #1, is also pretty good. The one I'm nervous for is I Knew You Were Trouble, which isn't quite Taylor's worst song ever, but the content is horribly melodramatic and the production has aged like milk in the sun. I'm really hoping they try something a little different with that one in terms of production to keep it fresh. I thought her purpose was to keep the production as close as possible to the originals, so that over time, people will consume these latest "Taylor's" versions instead of the originals. If these latest versions are different, then I'd imagine many people would still want the originals. |
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Post by 85la on Jun 20, 2021 2:04:27 GMT -5
I personally think SUBG is a great song, but I guess people don't feel bad about Kelly Clarkson having one fewer #1? I guess what baffles me is that Kelly's debut era had a #1 hit, the two albums she put out after My December each had a #1 hit, and yet the Breakaway era, her most successful period to date containing the singles we remember the most from her catalog, didn't have any #1's, despite spawning plenty of long-lasting hits. I could blame the title track's sleeper run delaying SUBG's release as a single until around the time of the album release in late 2004, but really, I'm just mad that 50 Cent had to be as undeservedly huge as he was at the time, and that Candy Shop was ever pushed as a single, let alone became a massive hit for him. Yeah the reason why the Breakaway era didn't produce any #1's has kind of all been explained in previous posts, but I guess I'd like to sum up here. Her first #1 hit, A Moment Like This, was of course her Idol-winning debut single, fueled almost entirely by physical single sales (as all Idol winners' #1 songs were in those first few seasons of the early-mid 2000s), so that was a unique case and came out many months before her debut album was even announced and was kind of just tacked onto the tracklist, so it's very borderline even part of that "first era." Miss Independent could more aptly be described as that album's lead single, which of course only peaked at #9 because it had mostly only airplay to support it, and in those days airplay for pop songs was not huge and would not be enough to get them to #1 on airplay alone. And then when the Breakaway album came out just a little over a year later, digital sales weren't added to the formula until a couple months after in early 2005 and weren't very huge yet anyway, so airplay still made up the vast majority of songs' points, so pop songs would still find it very hard to get to #1 (Besides Carrie Underwood's Idol-winning song, which has been described as more country anyway, Hollaback Girl was really the only pop song that hit #1 that year). My December underperformed in 2007, but by her next two successful eras that gave her her two additional number ones, My Life Would Suck Without You in 2009 and Stronger in 2012, digital sales had increased exponentially and pop songs were making higher inroads at radio, which is what enabled them to reach the top. |
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Post by shayonce on Jun 20, 2021 2:27:44 GMT -5
his last two albums sold 70k and 74k pure respectively, which could translate into some healthy sales for the project. However, "Lumberjack" is performing a lot worse than "Earfquake" did initially, and I'm not sure how that's going to reflect on the album numbers. I kind of feel like the outcome will really depend on how Doja's album is received more than Tyler's, if that makes sense. it feels like it's Tyler's race to lose. Igor had Merchandise Bundle. (only thing I can found for Flower Boy is CD Bundle which were $45~55) this time he only has 1 $15 CD, 1 $15 Cassette, 4 $25 box set. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 20, 2021 6:17:41 GMT -5
I'm curious to see how Red holds up to more modern production, especially the poppier singles that were very much tailored to the sound of 2012-2013. I still really like 22 (I mean, as a 22-year-old myself, I'm inclined to say that), and WANEGBT, her first #1, is also pretty good. The one I'm nervous for is I Knew You Were Trouble, which isn't quite Taylor's worst song ever, but the content is horribly melodramatic and the production has aged like milk in the sun. I'm really hoping they try something a little different with that one in terms of production to keep it fresh. Well "I Knew You Were Trouble" is my favorite Swift single and for my money the production is perfectly matched to the song. I think the biggest mistake Kelly did with that album was make Walk Away the 5th single. In my opinion, WA had the most potential of all the singles on Breakaway, and should have really been the 2nd single (following the title track). I think WA would have had a better chance of getting #1 against Candy Shop. The selection of Behind These Hazel Eyes was a brilliant choice for the 3rd single. That was a nice summer bop! My ranking of the singles on Breakaway (from favorite to least): 1. Behind These Hazel Eyes 2. Walk Away 3. Breakaway 4. Since You Been Gone 5. Because of You (this one should have never been released as a single, lol) I'd go: 1. Behind These Hazel Eyes 2. Breakaway 3. Since U Been Gone ... 4. Because of You ... 5. Walk Away (one of my least favorite Kelly songs) |
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Post by violentdreams on Jun 20, 2021 6:38:08 GMT -5
his last two albums sold 70k and 74k pure respectively, which could translate into some healthy sales for the project. However, "Lumberjack" is performing a lot worse than "Earfquake" did initially, and I'm not sure how that's going to reflect on the album numbers. I kind of feel like the outcome will really depend on how Doja's album is received more than Tyler's, if that makes sense. it feels like it's Tyler's race to lose. Igor had Merchandise Bundle. (only thing I can found for Flower Boy is CD Bundle which were $45~55) this time he only has 1 $15 CD, 1 $15 Cassette, 4 $25 box set. I think box sets could potentially be a viable replacement for bundles, at least merch bundles. It wouldn't surprise me if Tyler was able to match or only slightly underperform his last pure sales (like 55k-65k) by using them. He'll outdo Doja on that front for sure. Their streaming units might be similar (90k-110k for both sounds fair) so I think it'll all depend if Doja's fanbase will buy her album like Tyler's will. Right now my prediction is ~130k for Doja and ~150k for Tyler, it's gonna be an interesting race for sure. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 20, 2021 7:15:39 GMT -5
Not chart-related, but Happy Father's Day to any fathers/expecting fathers we might have here ♥️
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 20, 2021 7:18:30 GMT -5
Igor had Merchandise Bundle. (only thing I can found for Flower Boy is CD Bundle which were $45~55) this time he only has 1 $15 CD, 1 $15 Cassette, 4 $25 box set. I think box sets could potentially be a viable replacement for bundles, at least merch bundles. It wouldn't surprise me if Tyler was able to match or only slightly underperform his last pure sales (like 55k-65k) by using them. He'll outdo Doja on that front for sure. Their streaming units might be similar (90k-110k for both sounds fair) so I think it'll all depend if Doja's fanbase will buy her album like Tyler's will. Right now my prediction is ~130k for Doja and ~150k for Tyler, it's gonna be an interesting race for sure. Considering Doja's personal best in weekly album units is 37k, anything over 100k is a win for her. Tyler is the frontrunner here I'd say. Nothing happening on Spotify. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 20, 2021 7:37:09 GMT -5
I think box sets could potentially be a viable replacement for bundles, at least merch bundles. It wouldn't surprise me if Tyler was able to match or only slightly underperform his last pure sales (like 55k-65k) by using them. He'll outdo Doja on that front for sure. Their streaming units might be similar (90k-110k for both sounds fair) so I think it'll all depend if Doja's fanbase will buy her album like Tyler's will. Right now my prediction is ~130k for Doja and ~150k for Tyler, it's gonna be an interesting race for sure. Considering Doja's personal best in weekly album units is 37k, I'd say anything over 100k is a win for her. Tyler is the frontrunner here I'd say. For me, personally, the true test for Planet Her will be it's longevity, not it necessarily scoring a massive debut week. Hot Pink debuted at #93 on the Billboard 200, rose to #19 the following week and peaked at #9 months later. Also, it's never left the Billboard 200 since it's debut (84 weeks and counting — currently at #50 as of last week's chart). By every measure, that's a success for Doja Cat, considering where was in her career when the album was released. Planet Her just needs to have a similar level of consistency and it'll be fine. |
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Post by renaboss on Jun 20, 2021 7:44:47 GMT -5
...So, nobody here likes "Candy Shop" then? I love that song.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jun 20, 2021 10:46:52 GMT -5
^I personally don't and I do believe many would rank it as the worst #1 song in 2005.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 11:09:24 GMT -5
It’s because we knew that a Pop song had absolutely no chance of hitting #1 on the Hot 100 at that time. Going top ten was the best that Pulse Diva stans could hope for. Only problem with this is that Carrie Underwood proved otherwise, and interrupted WBT's run at #1. The thing is, Kelly should have pushed Walk Away as the 2nd single, instead of SUBG. WA had the most potential of all the singles on Breakaway, and would have given her a better chance to beat out Candy Shop for the #1. As Push The Button pointed out, Inside Your Heaven was an Idol-winner single fueled by physical singles, at a time when the formula was 50:50 radio/sales. Its only week at #1 was its debut week. Walk Away would not have performed better than SUBG! It's an underrated lil' bop (funnily enough, it's one of Kelly's favorite singles to perform, and I think I recall her wanting it to be the next single after SUBG) and I do think it would have been a solid top 10 hit for her if released instead of SUBG, but WA would never have punched as hard as SUBG did. And even if it did, there's simply no single choice that would have given Kelly (or almost any pop star) the huge edge needed unless she released a physical single, which the industry had all but stopped doing outside of Idol singles. When SUBG hit #2 there was a 70 million AI gap between it and Candy Shop. Digital sales started counting in February 2005, and besides being low, SUBG and CS were selling about the same amount week to week so she couldn't get ahead on that front anyway. Crossover urban hits, especially those from established artists, always had the upper hand at the time because they would have urban, rhythmic, UAC (if an r&b song), AND pop airplay and often got those format peaks to coincide with each other. A pop song would only have pop, and then HAC and AC which were smaller formats and whose support usually didn't fully kick in until after the song's pop peak. Hollaback Girl and Nickelback's How You Remind Me were the only non-urban, non-Idol singles to hit #1 from 2002 to 2005 and that was very much due to the luckiest of timing. How You Remind Me was just continuing its #1 run from the end of 2001 into the first chart weeks of 2002 so in actuality every *new* #1 that entire year was urban. Hollaback Girl snuck in the month between Candy Shop's fall and We Belong Together's rise. Hate It Or Love It would have been its biggest threat but that had peaked while it was in Candy Shop's shadow (and also was not much of a crossover hit so didn't have as much airplay to topple). 2006 was the year that pop was finally able to see the top of the chart again. ...So, nobody here likes "Candy Shop" then? I love that song. I don't hate it (I think I liked it in 2005) but honestly can't ever remember how it sounds now unless I go out of my way to listen to it for a reminder. I actually find Disco Inferno the most memorable single from The Massacre, despite Candy Shop being the only #1 single from it. (Inside Your Heaven was the worst #1 of 2005 though, IMO. Idol-winner songs were so godawful back then.) |
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Post by gikem on Jun 20, 2021 11:15:24 GMT -5
^I personally don't and I do believe many would rank it as the worst #1 song in 2005. And what's worse is that I don't even think it's the worst single 50 put out that year. Just A Lil Bit holds that title for me, just a thoroughly skin-crawling piece of music all around. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 20, 2021 12:04:23 GMT -5
Only problem with this is that Carrie Underwood proved otherwise, and interrupted WBT's run at #1. The thing is, Kelly should have pushed Walk Away as the 2nd single, instead of SUBG. WA had the most potential of all the singles on Breakaway, and would have given her a better chance to beat out Candy Shop for the #1. As Push The Button pointed out, Inside Your Heaven was an Idol-winner single fueled by physical singles, at a time when the formula was 50:50 radio/sales. Its only week at #1 was its debut week. Walk Away would not have performed better than SUBG! It's an underrated lil' bop (funnily enough, it's one of Kelly's favorite singles to perform, and I think I recall her wanting it to be the next single after SUBG) and I do think it would have been a solid top 10 hit for her if released instead of SUBG, but WA would never have punched as hard as SUBG did. And even if it did, there's simply no single choice that would have given Kelly (or almost any pop star) the huge edge needed unless she released a physical single, which the industry had all but stopped doing outside of Idol singles. When SUBG hit #2 there was a 70 million AI gap between it and Candy Shop. Digital sales started counting in February 2005, and besides being low, SUBG and CS were selling about the same amount week to week so she couldn't get ahead on that front anyway. Crossover urban hits, especially those from established artists, always had the upper hand at the time because they would have urban, rhythmic, UAC (if an r&b song), AND pop airplay and often got those format peaks to coincide with each other. A pop song would only have pop, and then HAC and AC which were smaller formats and whose support usually didn't fully kick in until after the song's pop peak. Hollaback Girl and Nickelback's How You Remind Me were the only non-urban, non-Idol singles to hit #1 from 2002 to 2005 and that was very much due to the luckiest of timing. How You Remind Me was just continuing its #1 run from the end of 2001 into the first chart weeks of 2002 so in actuality every *new* #1 that entire year was urban. Hollaback Girl snuck in the month between Candy Shop's fall and We Belong Together's rise. Hate It Or Love It would have been its biggest threat but that had peaked while it was in Candy Shop's shadow (and also was not much of a crossover hit so didn't have as much airplay to topple). 2006 was the year that pop was finally able to see the top of the chart again. ...So, nobody here likes "Candy Shop" then? I love that song. I don't hate it (I think I liked it in 2005) but honestly can't ever remember how it sounds now unless I go out of my way to listen to it for a reminder. I actually find Disco Inferno the most memorable single from The Massacre, despite Candy Shop being the only #1 single from it. (Inside Your Heaven was the worst #1 of 2005 though, IMO. Idol-winner songs were so godawful back then.) Where did “Hey Ya” peak in ‘urban’ airplay? |
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Post by Limited Edition on Jun 20, 2021 12:11:23 GMT -5
Does anyone know anything about Sheeran's new single coming out this Friday? Well, we know it's getting a music video. We know he's performing the new single in the Euro 2020 TikTok concert. We know the song is getting special edition CDs. We know it sounds radio friendly. |
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Post by GP on Jun 20, 2021 12:54:46 GMT -5
jesus fuck Todo de Ti is SOOO infectious .... this better be a massive hit
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Post by iHype. on Jun 20, 2021 13:24:00 GMT -5
Where did “Hey Ya” peak in ‘urban’ airplay? It only peaked at #9, which was so bizarre considering like every other (non American Idol) #1 from 2002-2005 peaked top 5 at the very least. The only exception was "Hollaback Girl".... which actually peaked #10, meaning it even almost surpassed "Hey Ya!" on Urban too. Little known fact, "Hey Ya!" also peaked at #16 on Alternative Airplay though. Interesting that it was almost as big on Alternative as it was on Urban. |
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Post by 85la on Jun 20, 2021 13:56:41 GMT -5
Where did “Hey Ya” peak in ‘urban’ airplay? It only peaked at #9, which was so bizarre considering like every other (non American Idol) #1 from 2002-2005 peaked top 5 at the very least. The only exception was "Hollaback Girl".... which actually peaked #10, meaning it even almost surpassed "Hey Ya!" on Urban too. Little known fact, "Hey Ya!" also peaked at #16 on Alternative Airplay though. Interesting that it was almost as big on Alternative as it was on Urban. Actually, per Billboard's R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart, Hollaback Girl did outrank Hey Ya!, #7 to #9, which is absolutely insane!! I always knew HB got some rhythmic play and it definitely has some hip-hop elements, but for an overall pop song to rank in the top ten of Urban airplay, especially back then, would be absolutely unheard of!! Although Wikipedia actually classifies it as a hip-hop song, so who knows.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollaback_Girl |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 20, 2021 15:21:16 GMT -5
It only peaked at #9, which was so bizarre considering like every other (non American Idol) #1 from 2002-2005 peaked top 5 at the very least. The only exception was "Hollaback Girl".... which actually peaked #10, meaning it even almost surpassed "Hey Ya!" on Urban too. Little known fact, "Hey Ya!" also peaked at #16 on Alternative Airplay though. Interesting that it was almost as big on Alternative as it was on Urban. Actually, per Billboard's R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart, Hollaback Girl did outrank Hey Ya!, #7 to #9, which is absolutely insane!! I always knew HB got some rhythmic play and it definitely has some hip-hop elements, but for an overall pop song to rank in the top ten of Urban airplay, especially back then, would be absolutely unheard of!! Although Wikipedia actually classifies it as a hip-hop song, so who knows.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollaback_Girl From my knowledge R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay combines Urban + Urban AC panels. Billboard's Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay is the one that is similar to Mediabase's Urban chart. If you wanna go by where something peaked on Urban via Billboard, that would be the chart for reference. www.billboard.com/music/outkast/chart-history/RMSwww.billboard.com/music/gwen-stefani/chart-history/RMS#9 for Hey Ya!, #10 for Hollaback Girl. Which does now make me question how "Hollaback Girl" even peaked higher on the former once Urban AC was factored in.... it never charted at that format nor would even have a chance at being played on those stations. I'm guessing Billboard also included some borderline-Rhythmic stations in the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart. Which does make sense considering I also remember songs like Gaga's "Just Dance", Leona's "Better in Time", Britney's "I'm a Slave 4 U", etc charting at the bottom of R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay in the 2000s. |
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Post by chartfreak on Jun 20, 2021 20:07:59 GMT -5
jesus f**k Todo de Ti is SOOO infectious .... this better be a massive hit Just gave it a listen...really good! |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jun 20, 2021 20:52:00 GMT -5
jesus f**k Todo de Ti is SOOO infectious .... this better be a massive hit Just gave it a listen...really good! I'm here after my 3rd listen, and I guess I'm in the minority here, but this song is nothing special. Probably because I'm not a big fan of his voice (although I didn't mind it in "Baila Conmigo"). |
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Post by notgoodenglish on Jun 20, 2021 21:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by 85la on Jun 21, 2021 1:22:20 GMT -5
Actually, per Billboard's R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart, Hollaback Girl did outrank Hey Ya!, #7 to #9, which is absolutely insane!! I always knew HB got some rhythmic play and it definitely has some hip-hop elements, but for an overall pop song to rank in the top ten of Urban airplay, especially back then, would be absolutely unheard of!! Although Wikipedia actually classifies it as a hip-hop song, so who knows.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollaback_Girl From my knowledge R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay combines Urban + Urban AC panels. Billboard's Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay is the one that is similar to Mediabase's Urban chart. If you wanna go by where something peaked on Urban via Billboard, that would be the chart for reference. www.billboard.com/music/outkast/chart-history/RMSwww.billboard.com/music/gwen-stefani/chart-history/RMS#9 for Hey Ya!, #10 for Hollaback Girl. Which does now make me question how "Hollaback Girl" even peaked higher on the former once Urban AC was factored in.... it never charted at that format nor would even have a chance at being played on those stations. I'm guessing Billboard also included some borderline-Rhythmic stations in the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart. Which does make sense considering I also remember songs like Gaga's "Just Dance", Leona's "Better in Time", Britney's "I'm a Slave 4 U", etc charting at the bottom of R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay in the 2000s. Regardless, shocked to see Hollaback Girl charted so high. |
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