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Post by rainygirl on Jul 26, 2021 12:29:19 GMT -5
Does everyone need to be compared? Fetty was huge with his audience and Olivia is huge with hers. There isnβt really that much overlap. Essentially, when it comes down to it, this is a discussion about which audiences is more important and which is less important and thatβs getting some side eye from me. thank you π!!! This whole argument seems pointless |
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Post by 85la on Jul 26, 2021 12:30:35 GMT -5
Off topic but how tf are most people saying Fetty lol? I can't even tell how much more dominant Olivia has been compared to Fetty, especially worldwide. The difference is enormous The year is only half-way over, so of course we can't fully answer this yet, let alone decide who has had a bigger "cultural impact," which would take at least an additional couple years to gauge in retrospect. Who knows, maybe Olivia will have 3 more massive top ten hits and her album going on to perform far better than Fetty's. With Fetty though, and not comparing him to Olivia but just judging him by himself, we do have the advantage of being able to look back at his first full-year plus a few more to gauge his impact, and while he might have had some cutural impact back then, he is the perfect example of a one-album wonder, a huge debut artist who went absolutely nowhere afterwards (at least up to this point). |
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Post by pkwonder on Jul 26, 2021 12:46:10 GMT -5
Olivia vs Fetty debuts is still a little premature, as Oliviaβs debut year isnβt over yet. Trap Queen and DL are both massive, and got a lot of praise at release. Trap Queen has proven to be super quotable and memorable in the years since its release. Meanwhile itβs hard to know the legs DL will have, but with a record setting streaming release and tons of support for OR, itβs a safe prediction people will be able to sing along (in a different setting) 7 years from now too,
A couple things that can be said in favor for Olivia in this (random and unnecessary) comparison: At this point post-Trap Queen, 679 had just released, with My Way coming up, and the album still a couple months away. Olivia already has her album, plus Deja Vu and g4u, which have outpointed and outstreamed the two follow ups from Fetty. In a few more months, this comparison will be even weirder because their first years will look less and less similar.
14/15 was an era before Spotify and album bombs had such a outsized impact on the charts though. Fetty isnβt really, on paper, given a fair fight here vs someone who had every album track chart, most for several weeks. He had a huge debut year, and OR technically having a βbiggerβ one in most metrics wonβt take that away from him or people who enjoyed his debut.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 26, 2021 12:54:35 GMT -5
Isn't the question about "who's DEBUT YEAR was more dominant?" If that's the question then it's not even a question. We don't even have to discuss about impact or different audience because it's irrelevant. Except who decides when an artist is more dominant if not the audiences/people consuming the music? |
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Post by edward on Jul 26, 2021 13:00:46 GMT -5
Isn't the question about "who's DEBUT YEAR was more dominant?" If that's the question then it's not even a question. We don't even have to discuss about impact or different audience because it's irrelevant. Except who decides when an artist is more dominant if not the audiences/people consuming the music? Isn't it obvious that even though they might have different audience, Olivia's number is just way bigger? What I'm trying to say is when we are talking about how dominant an artist is, we look at numbers, so there's no need to discuss about audience or impact. |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 26, 2021 13:14:05 GMT -5
YOU BETRAYED ME
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 26, 2021 13:14:37 GMT -5
So are we looking at fucking 10 weeks of butter at number one? Yeah I'm done with chart watching until we get another big release because it's tiring at this point.
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Post by joshtheking on Jul 26, 2021 13:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by starlord on Jul 26, 2021 14:28:23 GMT -5
LMAO, Pop Stan getting bullied on their own turf. lOve tO sEe ThAt. |
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Post by suzcruz7 on Jul 26, 2021 14:38:38 GMT -5
Stan twitter vs Hip Hop twitter is the clown cagematch of the century lol. No matter who "wins" we all lose.
Anyway, it's stupid/pointless debate for so many reasons. And it shouldn't be lost that Olivia hasn't even had a full debut year yet. It's July.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 26, 2021 14:46:40 GMT -5
Someone hit up Lil Nas X and tell him to do something to drum up some controversy streams for Industry Baby so it can replace the margarine men at #1.
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Post by kindofbiased on Jul 26, 2021 14:48:34 GMT -5
Crazy how so many people donβt see how ridiculous it is to compare a rapperβs debut year in 2015 to a pop girlβs debut year in 2021 its apples to oranges
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 14:49:04 GMT -5
i'mma need Industry Baby to snatch number 1. I want Stay to do it more though. We shall see.
ARMY on twt acting so entitled. It needs to stop.
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Post by kindofbiased on Jul 26, 2021 14:50:59 GMT -5
i'mma need Industry Baby to snatch number 1. I wanted Stay but that dropped out of the top 10 already so I guess that is going nowhere soon. ARMY on twt acting so entitled. It needs to stop. wait wym stay is out of the top 10? It only fell to #4 this week itβs still got great chances of hitting #1, just not next week |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 14:51:59 GMT -5
i'mma need Industry Baby to snatch number 1. I wanted Stay but that dropped out of the top 10 already so I guess that is going nowhere soon. ARMY on twt acting so entitled. It needs to stop. wait wym stay is out of the top 10? It only fell to #4 this week itβs still got great chances of hitting #1, just not next week I fixed my post. I read the top 10 wrong. Please forgive me. |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 26, 2021 14:53:03 GMT -5
I mean... just compare the backgrounds, Fetty was at a MTV event and Olivia was in the White House  Stupid & racist take, get well π this is for thegreatdivine as wellβI'm failing to grasp why this take should be labeled racist when Olivia Rodrigo, an Asian-American woman, became so successful that she got invited to the White House to promote vaccines for a pandemic the former POTUS & a chunk of the country refer to as the "China virus," and have been targeting AAPI communities with intensifying hatred since last year. they're both successful poc, but to me there's no denying that Olivia Rodrigo is having a bigger debut year than Fetty Wap, whose fame was strictly limited to the United Statesβthe only country where his album ever hit the Top 10. I'd love to hear more elaboration on the racism aspect of the comment and hear you out. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Jul 26, 2021 14:53:14 GMT -5
wait wym stay is out of the top 10? It only fell to #4 this week itβs still got great chances of hitting #1, just not next week I fixed my post. I read the top 10 wrong. Please forgive me. ur fine!! It just confused me lol, my prediction for Stay is itβll get to the top by the end of August or maybe early September |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 26, 2021 15:00:30 GMT -5
Stupid & racist take, get well π this is for thegreatdivine as wellβI'm failing to grasp why this take should be labeled racist when Olivia Rodrigo, an Asian-American woman, became so successful that she got invited to the White House to promote vaccines for a pandemic the former POTUS & a chunk of the country refer to as the "China virus," and have been targeting AAPI communities with intensifying hatred since last year. they're both successful poc, but to me there's no denying that Olivia Rodrigo is having a bigger debut year than Fetty Wap, whose fame was strictly limited to the United Statesβthe only country where his album ever hit the Top 10.Β I'd love to hear more elaboration on the racism aspect of the comment and hear you out. That user's post is mostly ignorant but it also comes off as racist. Fetty Way is a black man who came from nothing and saw almost immediate success with his first 3 singles in a year that was thoroughly dominated by pop stars. He made enough noise and had enough impact to garner himself national media attention. What does Olivia Rodrigo going to the White House have to do with what was being debated/discussed? What the hell does "just compare the backgrounds" mean? What was that user trying to communicate? That's all I'll say. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 26, 2021 15:02:44 GMT -5
Stupid & racist take, get well π this is for thegreatdivine as wellβI'm failing to grasp why this take should be labeled racist when Olivia Rodrigo, an Asian-American woman, became so successful that she got invited to the White House to promote vaccines for a pandemic the former POTUS & a chunk of the country refer to as the "China virus," and have been targeting AAPI communities with intensifying hatred since last year. they're both successful poc, but to me there's no denying that Olivia Rodrigo is having a bigger debut year than Fetty Wap, whose fame was strictly limited to the United Statesβthe only country where his album ever hit the Top 10. I'd love to hear more elaboration on the racism aspect of the comment and hear you out. If an invite to the White House is an indication of success, thereβs a lot of unsuccessful artists out there with huge numbers behind them. Or put another way, it isnβt a direct indication of success and is hardly worth a mention to justify what youβre trying to argue. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jul 26, 2021 15:04:57 GMT -5
I mean, it's not hard to argue that being invited to go to the White House because one is viewed as an influencer in a particular community is certainly a direct measure of success. If someone views one's influence as being sufficient to encourage young people to get vaccinated for covid, is that not a pretty clear sign that such a person's opinion and advocacy is seen to matter?
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Post by kimberly on Jul 26, 2021 15:14:57 GMT -5
this is for thegreatdivine as wellβI'm failing to grasp why this take should be labeled racist when Olivia Rodrigo, an Asian-American woman, became so successful that she got invited to the White House to promote vaccines for a pandemic the former POTUS & a chunk of the country refer to as the "China virus," and have been targeting AAPI communities with intensifying hatred since last year. they're both successful poc, but to me there's no denying that Olivia Rodrigo is having a bigger debut year than Fetty Wap, whose fame was strictly limited to the United Statesβthe only country where his album ever hit the Top 10. I'd love to hear more elaboration on the racism aspect of the comment and hear you out. That user's post is mostly ignorant but it also comes off as racist. Fetty Way is a black man who came from nothing and saw almost immediate success with his first 3 singles in a year that was thoroughly dominated by pop stars. He made enough noise and had enough impact to garner himself national media attention. What does Olivia Rodrigo going to the White House have to do with what was being debated/discussed? What the hell does "just compare the backgrounds" mean? What was that user trying to communicate? That's all I'll say. "just compare the backgrounds" as in... Olivia is standing in front of the WH Press Briefing Room and Fetty Wap is in front of an MTV Red Carpet backdrop. Rose "Payola" Nylund β it's not just going to the White House, but it's being seen as the person that can help end the spread of a deadly disease that's impressive. she's went from "niche Disney actress" to "entire album debuts in the Hot 100 Top 30" very quickly, and the WH picking her for vaccination promo is a testament to how influential she has become. |
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Post by gikem on Jul 26, 2021 15:18:17 GMT -5
Curious, since it could very well happen this week, when was the last time one label held the top 3 spots of the Hot 100 with three different artists as the lead?
(Emphasis on that last part because I'm not counting when acts like the Beatles, Ariana, Drake, etc. held the entire top 3 by themselves)
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Post by jeiboy on Jul 26, 2021 15:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by garrettlen on Jul 26, 2021 15:30:21 GMT -5
What? So theyβre not supposed to promote their other artists now?
The army can go take a flying leap.
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Post by nathanalbright on Jul 26, 2021 15:33:51 GMT -5
Apparently only BTS songs matter.
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Post by jeiboy on Jul 26, 2021 15:37:48 GMT -5
Army felt betrayed because the CEO promoted Nas single "while taking advantage of celebrating Butter's 8th week at #1"
Now they're ganging up to mass buy Butter to prove Columbia CEO wrong by trying to block Industry Baby.
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Post by velaxti on Jul 26, 2021 15:38:31 GMT -5
I know Olivia Rodrigo is mixed race, therefore counts as a poc, but I'm sorry, it's just not the same as Ferry Wap. In Europe someone called Rodrigo is usually fully white and Portuguese, Spanish or Italian, all the guys called Rodrigo that I know are white. And even for people who have seen her music videos, they may wonder, but she still looks mostly white and in this day and age with celebrities like Ariana Grande and Kim Kardashian (she's Armenian I guess, but still), people will assume she's white.
Olivia Rodrigo benefits from white privilege (sure maybe not as much as someone like Dua Lipa or Taylor Swift, but still, she benefits and we, and she, ought to recognise that privilege that she has other many of her competitors) and if she had the same ethnic background as Fetty Wap she wouldn't be so successful, especially in Europe. It's actually insulting to compare them in my opinion.
Remember, people like Camila Cabello, Shakira and Selena Gomez might technically be poc too because they have some Native American ancestry, but basically they are "white" and are generally seen and treated as such. I think even Iggy Azalea said she's got Aboriginal Australian ancestry... Doesn't mean anything if the amount is so small.
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Jul 26, 2021 15:41:57 GMT -5
To be fair, many Armys are children, they probably donβt fully grasp the whole business aspect of things
If theyβre all putting cash behind butter, I wonder how hard PTD will fall
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 26, 2021 15:57:15 GMT -5
To be fair, many Armys are children, they probably donβt fully grasp the whole business aspect of things If theyβre all putting cash behind butter, I wonder how hard PTD will fall I think PTD will be the new Franchise. It wonβt totally capitulate (like LGO or Trollz), but it will be lucky to get to 10 weeks. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 26, 2021 16:05:54 GMT -5
Army felt betrayed because the CEO promoted Nas single "while taking advantage of celebrating Butter's 8th week at #1" Now they're ganging up to mass buy Butter to prove Columbia CEO wrong by trying to block Industry Baby. which will not help their case lmao. If Industry Baby is strong enough for number one and Butter beats it because these children were upset the record label dare promote something else, rip sales on the chart lmao |
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