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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 16:07:07 GMT -5
To be fair, many Armys are children, they probably don’t fully grasp the whole business aspect of things If they’re all putting cash behind butter, I wonder how hard PTD will fall I have to stop you there. Unfortunately, many of the ARMY behind these pushes are far from children. They are grown adults with jobs and children. Believe me, when they are not being insane about buying, i interact with them on a regular basis. They how how the business works but they are twisting the situation to fit their narrative. "The beatles got hate too" "It's xenophobia" "they're just racist white men" "She's not organic if they're having carwashes and paying for the radio spots" They are master manipulators to be honest and indoctrinate those who try to speak up by ostracizing them from the community. It's horrid. Also, ARMY are already showing their ass about Columbia promoting Lil Nas X. Here is what has been popping up on my timeline today. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 26, 2021 16:08:29 GMT -5
Again, it’s a cult.
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Post by jaffery on Jul 26, 2021 16:13:46 GMT -5
So does Olivia have a more dominant debut year than a Bieber or Lady Gaga? I don't know if she will sell more records than them in their first year but lets say she does. Isn't streaming a big reason for that? There's no way she is actually as big as they were in their debut year right.
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Post by atg on Jul 26, 2021 16:14:29 GMT -5
Columbia are really the only ones laughing here as they’ll have the entire top 3 to themselves no matter the outcome next week. I’m sure Olivia would get the last laugh no matter what happens for the rest of the year however.
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Post by bbdenney94 on Jul 26, 2021 16:20:15 GMT -5
I was going to say that it's an illness, but that's a distinction without a difference. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Jul 26, 2021 16:27:31 GMT -5
I don’t possibly see how attacking the CEO of the label that owns the distribution rights to your favorite artist for promoting a different artist could in any way come back to bite you in the ass
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Post by lazer on Jul 26, 2021 16:28:49 GMT -5
Is there a possibility to mobilize other stans to call out Billboard's formula and all the mass buying from the Army? This may be a nuclear option but something's gotta work right?
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Post by kindofbiased on Jul 26, 2021 16:35:29 GMT -5
Oh wow they aren’t even mad at the CEO going “Industry Baby for #1 next week” they’re mad at him for saying Industry Baby will DEBUT ON THE CHARTS next week
I genuinely don’t know how people who get mad at stuff like this function offline
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Post by GP on Jul 26, 2021 16:49:53 GMT -5
I mean... just compare the backgrounds, Fetty was at a MTV event and Olivia was in the White House  I don't know how but this feels racist. what the fuck? that was obviously joking about the absolute joke of a comparison, I even agreed with Rose, it makes no sense to compare either of them... |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 26, 2021 17:05:00 GMT -5
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Post by Myth X on Jul 26, 2021 17:05:48 GMT -5
Can we all finally agree that the BoTS are the worst stanbase of all time?
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Post by nathanalbright on Jul 26, 2021 17:27:17 GMT -5
At least they are the worst ones that I know of.
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Post by Choco on Jul 26, 2021 17:34:33 GMT -5
So does Olivia have a more dominant debut year than a Bieber or Lady Gaga? I don't know if she will sell more records than them in their first year but lets say she does. Isn't streaming a big reason for that? There's no way she is actually as big as they were in their debut year right. Bieber wasn't even that big on his first year. He moved albums but the singles weren't huge. Gaga's first actual year was not comparable either because "Just Dance" took a while to get huge. Olivia's first single started at #1. |
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Post by lugus15 on Jul 26, 2021 17:34:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the #1 is there for the taking. 300-350 points is hardly an unsurmountable ammount.
Ed Sheeran, Laroi and Bieber and Lil Nas X should have been able to debut #1.
It's not BTS fault that streaming is weak AF and their competition is weak.
A G4U remix or even another Levitating push could have taken the #1 from them.
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Post by rainygirl on Jul 26, 2021 17:37:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the #1 is there for the taking. 300-350 points is hardly an unsurmountable ammount. Ed Sheeran, Laroi and Bieber and Lil Nas X should have been able to debut #1. It's not BTS fault that streaming is weak AF and their competition is weak. A G4U remix or even another Levitating push could have taken the #1 from them. you make an excellent point |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 26, 2021 17:45:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the #1 is there for the taking. 300-350 points is hardly an unsurmountable ammount. Ed Sheeran, Laroi and Bieber and Lil Nas X should have been able to debut #1. It's not BTS fault that streaming is weak AF and their competition is weak. A G4U remix or even another Levitating push could have taken the #1 from them. I disagree, G4U has been consistent on all three components for the past several week but has been behind BTS who's only big on one. I'm sorry but there's no reason in 2021 that sales should be weighed that high, streaming is the way people consume music nowadays and it should be weighed way higher. |
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Post by lyhom on Jul 26, 2021 17:47:48 GMT -5
Oh wow they aren’t even mad at the CEO going “Industry Baby for #1 next week” they’re mad at him for saying Industry Baby will DEBUT ON THE CHARTS next week I genuinely don’t know how people who get mad at stuff like this function offlinethis tweet but unironically: |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 26, 2021 17:48:31 GMT -5
If 300-350 points is all that’s needed, then Lil Nas X has this #1 in the bag. I see Industry Baby at ~400 points.
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Post by shaz196 on Jul 26, 2021 18:00:26 GMT -5
What exactly is the goal for Army? Like when will they end this mass buying campaign, after how many weeks? Are they aiming for OTR's record?
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Post by rimetm on Jul 26, 2021 18:06:35 GMT -5
If 300-350 points is all that’s needed, then Lil Nas X has this #1 in the bag. I see Industry Baby at ~400 points. Based off of what, a hunch? I've been trying to figure out the most optimistic estimates from what's been gathered so far, and I don't have Industry Baby even passing 30,000 points, missing Good 4 U as a result. Good Spotify but iffy Apple Music (1.81*7*1.5), YouTube stats starting strong but likely to taper and get slimmed by UGC shedding (9*3.7*.6), negligible radio and passive streams, and 6k sales from proportion data and estimated pace. Just because this isn't the predictions thread doesn't mean you can just say whatever with that level of confidence and specificity if you have nothing backing it up.  |
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Post by Limited Edition on Jul 26, 2021 18:21:51 GMT -5
Off topic but how tf are most people saying Fetty lol? I can't even tell how much more dominant Olivia has been compared to Fetty, especially worldwide. The difference is enormous So many bad arguments to this. The question was who had the most dominant debut year. That implies we are talking about success which is mostly numbers. Olivia have been so many miles ahead of Fetty in terms of success. Fetty being more popular to rap fans and Olivia to a different demographic is irrelevant. In the end we combine all those demographics together and see their numbers. Sour broke the record for the most 2nd week streams in Spotify history. Imagine your debut album beating Scorpion and Thank U Next (Drake's and Ariana's peak). Fetty never had that level of success with his album. Every song from Sour has already surpassed 100M streams in 2 months, which is insane. Fetty Wap's debut album has 15 out of 20 songs under 100M streams with some of them under 15M. The album has been out since 2015... Olivia also has the two biggest worldwide songs of the year so far (drivers license and good 4 u) with both of them doing record breaking streaming numbers. Fetty never had a song even close to being the biggest of the year. So yeah Oliva had a much more dominant debut year. This is not an apple vs oranges type of thing, there's only one answer. |
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Post by Groovy on Jul 26, 2021 18:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by nathanalbright on Jul 26, 2021 18:29:51 GMT -5
Anyone want to interpret this picture?
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Post by kimberly on Jul 26, 2021 18:33:37 GMT -5
I know Olivia Rodrigo is mixed race, therefore counts as a poc, but I'm sorry, it's just not the same as Ferry Wap. In Europe someone called Rodrigo is usually fully white and Portuguese, Spanish or Italian, all the guys called Rodrigo that I know are white. And even for people who have seen her music videos, they may wonder, but she still looks mostly white and in this day and age with celebrities like Ariana Grande and Kim Kardashian (she's Armenian I guess, but still), people will assume she's white. Olivia Rodrigo benefits from white privilege (sure maybe not as much as someone like Dua Lipa or Taylor Swift, but still, she benefits and we, and she, ought to recognise that privilege that she has other many of her competitors) and if she had the same ethnic background as Fetty Wap she wouldn't be so successful, especially in Europe. It's actually insulting to compare them in my opinion. Remember, people like Camila Cabello, Shakira and Selena Gomez might technically be poc too because they have some Native American ancestry, but basically they are "white" and are generally seen and treated as such. I think even Iggy Azalea said she's got Aboriginal Australian ancestry... Doesn't mean anything if the amount is so small. well I never said that their paths were equal... but racial inequality isn't a competition. Olivia Rodrigo is a clearly biracial woman, and Fetty Wap is a Black man. people don't exist on a singular scale based on their skin color's closeness to white. there's also gender. age. socioeconomic class. location. so many other things that go into making these artists who they are and I don't think we should go into a discussion of "who is more privileged" in each category and tally it up. just based on their race, obviously (and unfortunately) Fetty Wap is more likely to face discrimination, I know that. I just don't think GP's post celebrating the impressive year Olivia Rodrigo had can be considered "racist" solely based on the fact that the original tweet put a Black man for us to compare her with. GP would have responded the same way if that was Meghan Trainor instead of Fetty Wap. |
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Post by GP on Jul 26, 2021 18:57:18 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the #1 is there for the taking. 300-350 points is hardly an unsurmountable ammount. Ed Sheeran, Laroi and Bieber and Lil Nas X should have been able to debut #1. It's not BTS fault that streaming is weak AF and their competition is weak. A G4U remix or even another Levitating push could have taken the #1 from them. it's not Olivia's fault that she's losing to a song #40 on Streaming Songs, is bots fault all their own for manipulating the chart with their fraud for weeks on end. If you are looking fault, look at them. |
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Post by jaffery on Jul 26, 2021 18:57:46 GMT -5
So does Olivia have a more dominant debut year than a Bieber or Lady Gaga? I don't know if she will sell more records than them in their first year but lets say she does. Isn't streaming a big reason for that? There's no way she is actually as big as they were in their debut year right. Bieber wasn't even that big on his first year. He moved albums but the singles weren't huge. Gaga's first actual year was not comparable either because "Just Dance" took a while to get huge. Olivia's first single started at #1. Streaming changed everything. It’s easier for songs to smash out of the gate especially with gen z having the ability to stream for free. But at the same time I’m sure there are a lot of people who haven’t heard drivers license. Can you say people in 2010 or 2009 hadn’t heard baby or just dance? It’s not all about SPSS because you can’t compare The way music is consumed now to before. |
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Post by Groovy on Jul 26, 2021 19:04:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the #1 is there for the taking. 300-350 points is hardly an unsurmountable ammount. Ed Sheeran, Laroi and Bieber and Lil Nas X should have been able to debut #1. It's not BTS fault that streaming is weak AF and their competition is weak. A G4U remix or even another Levitating push could have taken the #1 from them. it's not Olivia's fault that she's losing to a song #40 on Streaming Songs, is bots fault all their own for manipulating the chart with their fraud for weeks on end. If you are looking fault, look at them. It’s not their fault either (it would be Army who’s manipulating the chart), it’s Billboard fault for their flawed chart and the Army is exploiting it’s flaws. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 26, 2021 19:20:31 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the #1 is there for the taking. 300-350 points is hardly an unsurmountable ammount. Ed Sheeran, Laroi and Bieber and Lil Nas X should have been able to debut #1. It's not BTS fault that streaming is weak AF and their competition is weak. A G4U remix or even another Levitating push could have taken the #1 from them. it's not Olivia's fault that she's losing to a song #40 on Streaming Songs, is bots fault all their own for manipulating the chart with their fraud for weeks on end. If you are looking fault, look at them. That grown user loves to come in here and attack/criticize Olivia in any way possible. Loser behavior tbh. |
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Post by iamsorare on Jul 26, 2021 19:25:27 GMT -5
he's so overexposed .. good luck with his new music |
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Post by Groovy on Jul 26, 2021 19:42:27 GMT -5
he's so overexposed .. good luck with his new music Do you always gotta be so negative? |
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