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Post by upsidedown on Feb 6, 2023 10:31:14 GMT -5
Well I'll clearly disagree with a large majority here but I have to say that the incessant need for everyone at that show last night to make this the "Beyonce Awards" was incredibly exhausting. She ain't Jesus, we don't need to be mentioning her every 5 damn seconds of the show. I can't at people saying that Beyonce is "overlooked" or "ignored" by the GRAMMYs while winning 32 and getting the most of all time. Maybe what that says is that most of those were bought or favored and maybe - just maybe - she doesn't actually deserve the ones she's lost because... others were better and her material just wasn't as good? People really let the internet hype on this woman seep into their brain or something, it's too much. People have really got this mentality that she is entitled to every award she's nominated for every time she releases a project, it's getting insane at this point. Also she can really keep the fake humbleness that is even worse than Taylor Swift's. Her getting up when James Corden hadn't even read her name yet while trying to act surprised... chile... Okay this take I disagree with and it is kind of annoying. I get why the show and people made it the Beyonce Awards since she broke the record last night. Even though she didn't win every award she was nominated for their was a feeling in the air it was her night so to speak. Also saying her Grammy wins were bought really diminishes her wins, and is always an annoying sentiment I see in regards to award shows. If you don't like her fine, but she earned those wins and the music industry/society has a natural love and respect for her, hence her being a main star last night without even performing. Lastly the fake humbleness take is bulls**t, when James Corden said that history has been made in a category she has been nominated for it's not hard to put two and two together that she won and broke the record. Except this wasn't just last night. Every time Beyonce shows up to an award show - especially Grammys - they do the same thing and make it all about her and how it'll be some huge snub if she doesn't win everything she's nominated for. I get her winning the most was a big deal, but objectively the show went WAY overboard from top to bottom last night in obsessing over her every minute. It was overkill.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 10:37:55 GMT -5
The Beyoncé praise is over the top at every award show, not just last night. I wonder if she gets embarrassed by constant flattery tbh. I thought Renaissance was the best album and she should have won. I didn't particularly care for Harry's album but the negative reaction to his win by those in the audience was disrespectful for no reason. Adele and Lizzo were visibly annoyed and Adele basically wanted to walk out.
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 6, 2023 11:19:49 GMT -5
At this point the whole thing is lowkey hilarious. The Internet has been in a frenzy I haven't been keeping up with but have people been acknowledging the obvious possibility that Adele and Beyonce split votes? I mean, if the convo is it's between the two of them again, it isn't unreasonable to assume that it was and a third place album ended up getting more votes than the top two splitting votes.
Anyway, whatever. Renaissance is clearly a better album than Harry's House but has never felt all that authentic to Beyonce and her winning AOTY for it felt more like a consolation prize than anything, but that would have been a better result than just continuing to deny her that award and unleashing the ceaseless hot takes on us innocent bystanders.
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Post by The Music Man on Feb 6, 2023 11:22:49 GMT -5
"You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation," LOL. In my mind, there's validity to all of the above. To me - and to many others in the music community - Beyonce's album was better than HH, and she should have absolutely taken at least one AOTY over the course of her last three campaigns. At the same time, the constant Beyonce worship is exhausting, and the blatant disrespect toward Harry is in poor taste. The Recording Academy put Beyonce in the history books (last night alone, she took home more trophies than anyone else - tied with Maverick City Music, heh) while also rewarding lots of artists who had tremendously successful years with great music. Also, in general field categories with 10 nominees (most of whom have solid industry backing and claims to the respective awards), vote splitting and weird s**t is bound to happen. I don't think anyone called Lizzo or Bonnie freaking Raitt winning their respective awards, either. Renaissance should have won, but life goes on and none of these artists have any real reason to be aggrieved. Finally, Harry's win isn't as unexpected as some are claiming it to be. He clearly had momentum and support. I'd argue he probably had the second-highest odds of winning behind Beyonce, maybe third behind Adele. ETA: love that dbhmr and I basically wrote the same post within 3 minutes of each other.
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Post by cjay on Feb 6, 2023 11:23:08 GMT -5
I have already been wondering whether all the controversies surrounding Beyonce at each release (stealing credits, etc.) play against her at the end of the day. There’s a limit to how the internet hype around her can translate into the real world. I think this is definitely part of the issue. Beyoncé is seen by the industry as a vocalist and entertainer. Her songwriting and production skills are not taken seriously because of the multiple songwriter issue and all the allegations that she “steals” writing credit for contributing a couple of words. Perhaps this was the case at the beginning of her solo career. But I think she’s gotten more involved with those aspects since her self titled album. Beyoncé seems to take the feedback (to an extent) and incorporate it into her next projects. So, I wonder if her next album will be with a small production and songwriting team?!
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 6, 2023 11:36:03 GMT -5
ETA: love that wjr15 and I basically wrote the same post within 3 minutes of each other. I think you meant to tag someone else. My only post was on the previous page lol. But I 100% agree with everything you said. Renaissance should’ve won and I was convinced that it would win. But honestly, my predictions for the Big 4 awards was completely off for every single one (even my second picks were wrong). Beyonce still won awards and she set a record last night. I understand disappointment but I hate the thought that Beyonce is entitled to the award. Everyone who won awards last night deserved their awards and they all represented the best of music last year. I can’t be mad at any of the winners and it was kinda entertaining how unpredictable the big awards were last night. All the big names of 2022 got their flowers last night: Beyonce, Adele, Harry, Lizzo, Taylor, Bad Bunny. Plus we had historic wins last night from Beyonce, Kim Petras (& Sam Smith), and Viola Davis (EGOT Queen)!!! edit: nvm on the quote lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 12:01:37 GMT -5
Wow these winners were all over the place. Make it make sense lol. "As it Was" not winning anything while Harry's album swept its categories is not something I saw coming. The reverse maybe. Beyonce had 3 different songs from her album win tonight, yet couldn't win AOTY. She just shouldn't attend anymore. Hell, why even submit her work anymore? Or just submit to Album and nothing else to force their hand? Anyway it's clear the body as a whole does not want to be pressured to give her AOTY, and I'm not sure why Beyonce keeps putting herself through it. That's actually a sad statistics. Like wtf. It should also be noted that the first single the Grammys defined as "R&B" or "hip-hop" to win ROTY was "This is America" a few years ago. The only other one to win was "Leave the Door Open" last year. That of course feeds into the lack of Black women winners and likely why none won in the 2000s as Envoirment noted (even Whitney winning 30 years ago was for a song in the Pop categories, as was Lizzo's winner this year). OK thank u vm for that history and explanation. It makes a bit more sense now. I still hate the Grammys though lol
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Post by Mayman on Feb 6, 2023 12:07:58 GMT -5
The Beyoncé praise is over the top at every award show, not just last night. I wonder if she gets embarrassed by constant flattery tbh. I thought Renaissance was the best album and she should have won. I didn't particularly care for Harry's album but the negative reaction to his win by those in the audience was disrespectful for no reason. Adele and Lizzo were visibly annoyed and Adele basically wanted to walk out.The way you flat out made this up
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 6, 2023 12:15:09 GMT -5
The Beyoncé praise is over the top at every award show, not just last night. I wonder if she gets embarrassed by constant flattery tbh. I thought Renaissance was the best album and she should have won. I didn't particularly care for Harry's album but the negative reaction to his win by those in the audience was disrespectful for no reason. Adele and Lizzo were visibly annoyed and Adele basically wanted to walk out.The way you flat out made this up Lizzo was happy for Harry but you can see that Adele was annoyed around the 35 second mark:
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Feb 6, 2023 12:21:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 12:26:31 GMT -5
The way you flat out made this up Lizzo was happy for Harry but you can see that Adele was annoyed around the 35 second mark: She thought she would win like she did with 21 and 25
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 6, 2023 12:28:02 GMT -5
Lizzo was happy for Harry but you can see that Adele was annoyed around the 35 second mark: She thought she would win like she did with 21 and 25 She was probably relieved to not win, especially after her 2016 acceptance speech.
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Post by theyaintready on Feb 6, 2023 12:30:37 GMT -5
The Beyonce god-worship is too much. I like the album but goddamn! The show was bending over backwards to cater to her and she couldn't even be bothered to get herself there in time. Everyone needs a reality check when it comes to this woman.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 6, 2023 12:48:12 GMT -5
I agree Beyonce gets praised too much in a lot of places, but y'all are doing absolutely too much trying to bring her and her upset fans down here lol. It really isn't that deep.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 6, 2023 12:49:43 GMT -5
These voters all sound like they have their heads up their asses and don't understand a damn thing about music or what the Grammys are supposed to represent. Voter 4 literally admits to not listening to everything before voting and says that's "their right." Voter 5 voted for Coldplay because they're a stan, even admits it isn't their best work. Voter 2 is one of the idiots that thinks less credits = better music somehow. Voter 1 straight up has been doing this for 15 years and is still shocked at how Best New Artist works. Voter 3 just chose Harry's House because it was in all the TikToks, it wasn't even the album they thought was the best. They like Kendrick's album the best, but didn't vote for it because it didn't have a big hit single. Shame on all of them. That being said... Where is the lie?
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 6, 2023 12:51:42 GMT -5
Think about how many legendary albums and legendary artists never won Album of the Year.
The sense of entitlement here is off-the-charts and rather unseemly, I have to say!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 6, 2023 12:51:42 GMT -5
And this:
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 6, 2023 13:03:18 GMT -5
Think about how many legendary albums and legendary artists never won Album of the Year. The sense of entitlement here is off-the-charts and rather unseemly, I have to say! Looking at massive artists like Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, The Weeknd, Justin Timberlake; none of them have ever won in the Big 4 at the Grammys. Big names miss out on the big awards all the time.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 6, 2023 13:04:03 GMT -5
Truth when you expand the nominees to 10 in the general categories it expands the possibilities and can to an extent lessen the opportunities to pull in votes if the nominees have strong work or they are well-known industry hitters. There were some big names in that category. If you think about it Lizzo, Kendrick, Mary, and Beyoncé probably split a lot of votes among each other on top of Adele being there, so as some have stated it makes it possible for someone to sneak in and win. Truth be told I like all of the nominees, but I wasn’t particularly sold on anyone walking away with AOTY. Having said that, I was more surprised at them awarding Harry for his album than for As It Was. I think he was the singles artist of the year for sure. I would have been fine seeing him walk away with Song or Record as I think that was more fitting. Harry’s House is a nice album, but definitely not better than Fine Line.
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Post by kimberly on Feb 6, 2023 13:07:26 GMT -5
Well I'll clearly disagree with a large majority here but I have to say that the incessant need for everyone at that show last night to make this the "Beyonce Awards" was incredibly exhausting. She ain't Jesus, we don't need to be mentioning her every 5 damn seconds of the show. I can't at people saying that Beyonce is "overlooked" or "ignored" by the GRAMMYs while winning 32 and getting the most of all time. Maybe what that says is that most of those were bought or favored and maybe - just maybe - she doesn't actually deserve the ones she's lost because... others were better and her material just wasn't as good? People really let the internet hype on this woman seep into their brain or something, it's too much. People have really got this mentality that she is entitled to every award she's nominated for every time she releases a project, it's getting insane at this point. Also she can really keep the fake humbleness that is even worse than Taylor Swift's. Her getting up when James Corden hadn't even read her name yet while trying to act surprised... chile... this post is utterly ridiculous... Beyoncé's won 32 Grammy's because the Black music community has always got her back. just 1 of those 32 awards being in the general field and none of them being AOTY tells us more about the voter demographics than anything else. in fact, 24 of her awards are in the R&B and Rap genre categories, with a further 3 of her awards in the music video and music film categories for some of her most daring visual work (Formation, Brown Skin Girl, Homecoming). she won 2 of the remaining 5 awards last night in the Dance/Electronic categories. last night was obviously Beyoncé's night... she was the most-nominated artist last night, she's the most nominated artist of all-time, and she set a new record during the broadcast. the reading into her "fake humbleness"... people who don't like her really keep themselves busy projecting and over analyzing her every move. the tone of the show was defined as the night Beyoncé could make history as soon as nominations were announced. I did not see her trying to act surprised at all, just overwhelmed when Corden said the words out loud. imagine being announced as the greatest musician of all-time... and she definitely would disagree with that title lol.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 6, 2023 13:07:52 GMT -5
And yet Twitter is making fun of Harry for saying "people like me don't win often"! As if being white overwrites every other aspect... Exactly. Primarily viewing Harry or anyone for their racial identity is actually quite racist.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Feb 6, 2023 13:11:20 GMT -5
Yeah I didn't like Ms Bonnie getting lashes. She's a legend, and I loved her reaction. So pure.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 6, 2023 13:12:20 GMT -5
These voters all sound like they have their heads up their asses and don't understand a damn thing about music or what the Grammys are supposed to represent. Voter 4 literally admits to not listening to everything before voting and says that's "their right." Voter 5 voted for Coldplay because they're a stan, even admits it isn't their best work. Voter 2 is one of the idiots that thinks less credits = better music somehow. Voter 1 straight up has been doing this for 15 years and is still shocked at how Best New Artist works. Voter 3 just chose Harry's House because it was in all the TikToks, it wasn't even the album they thought was the best. They like Kendrick's album the best, but didn't vote for it because it didn't have a big hit single. Shame on all of them. That being said... Where is the lie? Are Selena fans 12? The people who grew up with Wizards of Waverly Place are approaching 30 12? No, probably not. But BTS fans also aren't majority children either. I think he was being intentionally facetious and exaggerating to make his point more funny, but I do think he is on the nose. Coldplay fans are not only generally older, but also not the type to be interested in musicians like BTS and Selena Gomez and the songs they did with Coldplay, which really begs the question "Who is the album even for"? Most Coldplay fans that aren't being shown on live TV for some strange fan segment on the Grammys were indeed disappointed in the album. And outside of the tracks they were featured on, I didn't see Selena Gomez and BTS stans clamoring for it either lol.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Feb 6, 2023 13:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 6, 2023 13:20:29 GMT -5
Y'all, the "people like me don't win often" line was tone deaf. Sure, he probably meant "people who started off in boy bands and were on reality TV shows," but when the Grammys are consistently belittled for their white male favoritism, a white man not being specific when saying "people like me don't win often" will rub people the wrong way and that's why people are having a problem with what he said. Plus, let's not act like his music as a solo artist isn't Grade A Grammy Bait.
Trying to claim people are too woke or Beyonce crazed or racist for being upset at what he said is just absurd. Log off of Twitter.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 6, 2023 13:27:19 GMT -5
I have already been wondering whether all the controversies surrounding Beyonce at each release (stealing credits, etc.) play against her at the end of the day. There’s a limit to how the internet hype around her can translate into the real world. I think this is definitely part of the issue. Beyoncé is seen by the industry as a vocalist and entertainer. Her songwriting and production skills are not taken seriously because of the multiple songwriter issue and all the allegations that she “steals” writing credit for contributing a couple of words. Perhaps this was the case at the beginning of her solo career. But I think she’s gotten more involved with those aspects since her self titled album. Beyoncé seems to take the feedback (to an extent) and incorporate it into her next projects. So, I wonder if her next album will be with a small production and songwriting team?! Regardless of her writing contributions, lack thereof, etc, it's clear Beyonce has a vision for her art. Even if she works with several writers on a song and uses samples, I think by now it's beyond clear she is the person driving the bus, directing the movie, [insert some other stock phrase]. Who else is bringing projects like Lemonade and Renaissance to life? Even if someone doesn't love those albums, it's more than clear there is a vision and sense of artistic purpose behind them. To belittle Beyonce as an artist because she doesn't sit down with a guitar and write the songs herself is to miss the point entirely. Wow these winners were all over the place. Make it make sense lol. "As it Was" not winning anything while Harry's album swept its categories is not something I saw coming. The reverse maybe. Beyonce had 3 different songs from her album win tonight, yet couldn't win AOTY. She just shouldn't attend anymore. Hell, why even submit her work anymore? Or just submit to Album and nothing else to force their hand? Anyway it's clear the body as a whole does not want to be pressured to give her AOTY, and I'm not sure why Beyonce keeps putting herself through it. It should also be noted that the first single the Grammys defined as "R&B" or "hip-hop" to win ROTY was "This is America" a few years ago. The only other one to win was "Leave the Door Open" last year. That of course feeds into the lack of Black women winners and likely why none won in the 2000s as Envoirment noted (even Whitney winning 30 years ago was for a song in the Pop categories, as was Lizzo's winner this year). OK thank u vm for that history and explanation. It makes a bit more sense now. I still hate the Grammys though lol For the record it was meant as explanation, in a sense, but definitely not praise. It's obviously insane that so few R&B and hip-hop songs and albums have won in the major categories over the years. It's very interesting - in a troubling way - that for as much as R&B and hip-hop dominated a lot of the 2000s, we didn't get a ROTY winner that reflected it (and only Outkast won AOTY). It's also interesting because "Fallin" and "Single Ladies" both won SOTY, yet neither won ROTY (and neither Alicia or Beyonce have won AOTY despite being Grammy favorites otherwise). Mariah Carey is 0-for-6 in AOTY and ROTY (and then 0-for-2 in SOTY). Kanye West and Kendrick Lamar have never won a Grammy in the major categories. It's all very wild and worth discussion.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 6, 2023 13:29:24 GMT -5
Y'all, the "people like me don't win often" line was tone deaf. Sure, he probably meant "people who started off in boy bands and were on reality TV shows," but when the Grammys are consistently belittled for their white male favoritism, a white man not being specific when saying "people like me don't win often" will rub people the wrong way and that's why people are having a problem with what he said. Plus, let's not act like his music as a solo artist isn't Grade A Grammy Bait. Trying to claim people are too woke or Beyonce crazed or racist for being upset at what he said is just absurd. Log off of Twitter. to be fair he’s legitimately an idiot, so I can't tell if you mean Harry or the Ellen apologist. 😭
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Post by Ling-Ling on Feb 6, 2023 13:37:25 GMT -5
to be fair he’s legitimately an idiot, so I can't tell if you mean Harry or the Ellen apologist. 😭 This thread is about to be inundated with Dr. Ramani YouTube videos.
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Post by cjay on Feb 6, 2023 13:43:01 GMT -5
I think Harry is one of those artist that prefers not to talk about his work. He’d rather the work speak for itself. He does interviews and the like because he has to at this point in his career. So his “…people like me” comment was weird. But I chalked that up to his natural awkwardness and probably nervousness. So I’m not going to mock / criticize him here.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 6, 2023 13:43:42 GMT -5
a white man not being specific when saying "people like me don't win often" will rub people the wrong way and that's why people are having a problem with what he said When he says "people like me," it should be OBVIOUS to any rational-thinking person that he is not referring to "white men." I mean, the outrage over something that is CRYSTAL CLEAR is UNREASONABLE.
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