Billboard Hot 100: 08/05/2023

[After Minutes]

Unironically I'd prefer Jason Aldean at #1 than Morgan Wallen

[neel]

What have we done 😭😭.

[enwhy]

Jul 21, 2023 8:49:43 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Unironically I'd prefer Jason Aldean at #1 than Morgan Wallen

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[neel]

This year and 2022 officially makes whatever people thought the peak low effort and SoundCloud trap 2016 and 2018 Billboard respectively look like 1983 in comparison.

[jayhawk1117]

Jul 21, 2023 8:49:43 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Unironically I'd prefer Jason Aldean at #1 than Morgan Wallen

I may not be a MW stan but AT LEAST (scrapping the bottom of the barrel here), Last Night isn’t a dog whistle with guitars in it. So by default, Morgan takes the W for me lol

[mms82]

Jul 21, 2023 8:49:43 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Unironically I'd prefer Jason Aldean at #1 than Morgan Wallen

I mean I loves 2010 era Jason Aldean, I think the Dirt Road Anthem remix with Ludacris is still one of the best songs ever. But this one shouldn’t be his biggest hit 😕

[platinumg]

Jul 21, 2023 8:27:17 GMT -5 eagle27 said:

K-POP vs. Last Night vs. Try That In A Small Town for number one this week? Also Dance The Night should go top 10.

Mind Your Business would be lucky to debut top 40. My radio station totally dragged it and only played Circus instead and it probably isn’t getting the radio support of Hold Me Closer.

Barbie World has a way bigger chance of going Top 10 next week over Dance The Night

[mms82]

Rest in Peace Tony Bennet. What an amazing, amazing career.

I doubt anything will re-enter the Hot 100 even given the Friday death announcement, but I'm optimistic at least maybe Cheek to Cheek or something will reenter the Billboard 200.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

I see Seven got 4 new mixes charting at iTunes.

[After Minutes]

Jul 21, 2023 9:24:08 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Jul 21, 2023 8:49:43 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Unironically I'd prefer Jason Aldean at #1 than Morgan Wallen

I may not be a MW stan but AT LEAST (scrapping the bottom of the barrel here), Last Night isn’t a dog whistle with guitars in it. So by default, Morgan takes the W for me lol

That's why I prefer the Jason Aldean song at #1 actually. You just know exactly what kind of person someone is if they unironically listen to it. If it goes to #1 people will have to openly say - well we have a problem, this is wrong, let's talk about it. There will be a discussion.

With Morgan Wallen at #1, while the reason for it being the current #1 (hard-right shift of the entire right) is exactly the same, there's really no reason to start a discussion about it because it's just so bland and wishy-washy. Morgan Wallen is a racist but seemingly nobody cares that he can go to #1 in the current climate (and for what, like 15 weeks now?). If Jason Aldean goes to #1, then people will care and the discussion that should have started with Morgan Wallen will start. They're equally bad but one causes outrage and the other one doesn't, and the outrage is necessary.

Also I genuinely can't stand Last Night and while Aldean's song is much worse lyrically I do think it's slightly more listenable musically speaking.

Sorry, should've probably specified why I prefer it to begin with but I somehow though everyone would understand my logic lol

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I like "K-POP", especially the vibe, it's a cute summer bop...but yeah, Bad B and Abel totally overshadowed Travis.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 21, 2023 10:08:44 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Jul 21, 2023 9:24:08 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

I may not be a MW stan but AT LEAST (scrapping the bottom of the barrel here), Last Night isn’t a dog whistle with guitars in it. So by default, Morgan takes the W for me lol

That's why I prefer the Jason Aldean song at #1 actually. You just know exactly what kind of person someone is if they unironically listen to it. If it goes to #1 people will have to openly say - well we have a problem, this is wrong, let's talk about it. There will be a discussion.

With Morgan Wallen at #1, while the reason for it being the current #1 (hard-right shift of the entire right) is exactly the same, there's really no reason to start a discussion about it because it's just so bland and wishy-washy. Morgan Wallen is a racist but seemingly nobody cares that he can go to #1 in the current climate (and for what, like 15 weeks now?). If Jason Aldean goes to #1, then people will care and the discussion that should have started with Morgan Wallen will start. They're equally bad but one causes outrage and the other one doesn't, and the outrage is necessary.

Also I genuinely can't stand Last Night and while Aldean's song is much worse lyrically I do think it's slightly more listenable musically speaking.

Sorry, should've probably specified why I prefer it to begin with but I somehow though everyone would understand my logic lol

...y'know I appreciate the thought(?) but I really don't think this song needs to go to #1 to start a conversation. NWA, 2Live Crew, Eminem's early stuff, various metal and rock bands didn't need to go #1 to start much needed political conversations.

And whether or not this song goes to #1, I really think the audience that's buying and supporting Jason Aldean is going to need more than a song's success to know why stand-your-ground laws are unjust or why tighter gun strictions and regulations doesn't mean they're "coming for your guns"

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

SZAAAA

[neogale]

Pop music peaked in 2021 during this decade, but once Drake arrived at the end of that summer with Way 2 Sexy, it all started to go down :/

I still prefer the current times (excluding the country hits), way more than the whole awful mess that was 2018

[musiclife]

Aw Tony that's so sad.. I mean he was 96.. but he is a legend and was such a sweet man.

[neel]

Jul 21, 2023 11:43:28 GMT -5 neogale said:

Pop music peaked in 2021 during this decade, but once Drake arrived at the end of that summer with Way 2 Sexy, it all started to go down :/

I still prefer the current times (excluding the country hits), way more than the whole awful mess that was 2018

Hopefully we bounce back with 2024!

[musiclife]

Jul 21, 2023 11:43:28 GMT -5 neogale said:

Pop music peaked in 2021 during this decade, but once Drake arrived at the end of that summer with Way 2 Sexy, it all started to go down :/

I still prefer the current times (excluding the country hits), way more than the whole awful mess that was 2018

See I don't understand pop culture's hate for country? It's an absolutely beautiful genre and I'm sure if it was given a chance by people who don't listen to it, I'm sure there would be tons of songs people would like.

[iHype.]

What's insane is if the Travis single underperforms, we could be seeing a top 3 with all different Country male soloists. Morgan, Jason, and Luke.

[lurker2]

Jul 21, 2023 12:47:58 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Jul 21, 2023 11:43:28 GMT -5 neogale said:

Pop music peaked in 2021 during this decade, but once Drake arrived at the end of that summer with Way 2 Sexy, it all started to go down :/

I still prefer the current times (excluding the country hits), way more than the whole awful mess that was 2018

See I don't understand pop culture's hate for country? It's an absolutely beautiful genre and I'm sure if it was given a chance by people who don't listen to it, I'm sure there would be tons of songs people would like.

I think a lot of country trends can be kind of alienating. Like, bro country was pretty universally considered pretty awful. Personally I have a soft spot for it (I grew up on it lol), but I think tha/ a large part of it.

Also, I might be totally crazy for this but I think it goes hand in hand with hate towards hip-hop: classism. Country is associated with the rural poor, just like hip-hop is associated with the urban poor. Hip-hop has the added issue of racism, which is why IMO criticism towards it is uglier than criticism of country typically is, bur country doesn't have a super easy time either. No one wants to be a redneck (except people who already listen to country).

[musiclife]

Jul 21, 2023 13:28:38 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

Jul 21, 2023 12:47:58 GMT -5 musiclife said:

See I don't understand pop culture's hate for country? It's an absolutely beautiful genre and I'm sure if it was given a chance by people who don't listen to it, I'm sure there would be tons of songs people would like.

I think a lot of country trends can be kind of alienating. Like, bro country was pretty universally considered pretty awful. Personally I have a soft spot for it (I grew up on it lol), but I think tha/ a large part of it.

Also, I might be totally crazy for this but I think it goes hand in hand with hate towards hip-hop: classism. Country is associated with the rural poor, just like hip-hop is associated with the urban poor. Hip-hop has the added issue of racism, which is why IMO criticism towards it is uglier than criticism of country typically is, bur country doesn't have a super easy time either. No one wants to be a redneck (except people who already listen to country).

But the thing is country being such a huge genre has universally been ignored by CHR for years until this year. I just find it a bit odd to be honest, because there have been some country songs over the years with real pop influence that could have done damage on mainstream. I don't get why it has been ignored till now. I love country music. I'm not saying all country songs would fit CHR, which is true, but it shouldn't be generally discarded cause there are some really good songs that would fit right in on CHR.

And I wouldn't say country completely depicts growing up poor in rural areas in America. It's just a genre that connects with people in different parts of this big country. Country songs are written in a story format from what I gather, and it's very descriptive music.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 21, 2023 13:28:38 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

Jul 21, 2023 12:47:58 GMT -5 musiclife said:

See I don't understand pop culture's hate for country? It's an absolutely beautiful genre and I'm sure if it was given a chance by people who don't listen to it, I'm sure there would be tons of songs people would like.

I think a lot of country trends can be kind of alienating. Like, bro country was pretty universally considered pretty awful. Personally I have a soft spot for it (I grew up on it lol), but I think tha/ a large part of it.

Also, I might be totally crazy for this but I think it goes hand in hand with hate towards hip-hop: classism. Country is associated with the rural poor, just like hip-hop is associated with the urban poor. Hip-hop has the added issue of racism, which is why IMO criticism towards it is uglier than criticism of country typically is, bur country doesn't have a super easy time either. No one wants to be a redneck (except people who already listen to country).

I wouldn't really say classism but more of a political one, even without recent events, there's still a thought that things are tied to the right (The Chicks' backlash being the biggest example). And if there is a classism involved, I think it's more of a pandering nature but ironically from country singers; i.e. the checklist country song.

Obviously, like rap it's all stereotypes but the biggest names right now aren't helping.

[lazer]

70s country is the superior country.

K-Pop is not the best song but it is interesting that popular western artists finally incorporate Brazilian beats into a song.

[kanimal]

Jul 21, 2023 13:32:59 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Jul 21, 2023 13:28:38 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

I think a lot of country trends can be kind of alienating. Like, bro country was pretty universally considered pretty awful. Personally I have a soft spot for it (I grew up on it lol), but I think tha/ a large part of it.

Also, I might be totally crazy for this but I think it goes hand in hand with hate towards hip-hop: classism. Country is associated with the rural poor, just like hip-hop is associated with the urban poor. Hip-hop has the added issue of racism, which is why IMO criticism towards it is uglier than criticism of country typically is, bur country doesn't have a super easy time either. No one wants to be a redneck (except people who already listen to country).

But the thing is country being such a huge genre has universally been ignored by CHR for years until this year. I just find it a bit odd to be honest, because there have been some country songs over the years with real pop influence that could have done damage on mainstream. I don't get why it has been ignored till now. I love country music. I'm not saying all country songs would fit CHR, which is true, but it shouldn't be generally discarded cause there are some really good songs that would fit right in on CHR.

And I wouldn't say country completely depicts growing up poor in rural areas in America. It's just a genre that connects with people in different parts of this big country. Country songs are written in a story format from what I gather, and it's very descriptive music.

I have mixed thoughts here. Obviously, there are catchy, heavily pop-leaning songs that have streaming/sales numbers to reflect universal resonance (stuff like Last Night, You Proof, Forever After All, and sadly, Fancy Like) that clearly deserve to be treated as massive hits by pop radio. It's also worth noting that some of these artists - Morgan and Luke in particular - ARE pop stars in certain parts of the United States. So pop radio's hesitance to play all their singles (let alone their most accessible ones) is surprising.

But, one of the problems is that a lot of the heavily pop-influenced singles really just come across as "diet pop songs." These are the ones that tend to actually get pop or Hot AC pushes, but why would pop radio listeners get excited about someone with a slightly worse voice singing a song that is slightly less catchy with slightly worse production than the stuff being released by actual A-list pop talent?

I've always maintained that the stuff that sounds DIFFERENT would have the best chance at actually crossing over. Stuff that isn't being done BETTER by your Justin Biebers and Harry Styleses. I'm incredibly confident that something like Chris Stapleton's version of Tennessee Whiskey would have been far more resonant with a mainstream-pop audience than whatever random Parmalee song is being promoted.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 21, 2023 13:32:59 GMT -5 musiclife said:

Jul 21, 2023 13:28:38 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

I think a lot of country trends can be kind of alienating. Like, bro country was pretty universally considered pretty awful. Personally I have a soft spot for it (I grew up on it lol), but I think tha/ a large part of it.

Also, I might be totally crazy for this but I think it goes hand in hand with hate towards hip-hop: classism. Country is associated with the rural poor, just like hip-hop is associated with the urban poor. Hip-hop has the added issue of racism, which is why IMO criticism towards it is uglier than criticism of country typically is, bur country doesn't have a super easy time either. No one wants to be a redneck (except people who already listen to country).

But the thing is country being such a huge genre has universally been ignored by CHR for years until this year. I just find it a bit odd to be honest, because there have been some country songs over the years with real pop influence that could have done damage on mainstream. I don't get why it has been ignored till now. I love country music. I'm not saying all country songs would fit CHR, which is true, but it shouldn't be generally discarded cause there are some really good songs that would fit right in on CHR.

Because it’s what the audience wants to hear and with country moving into prominent placement on streaming, people who listen to general Hits playlists on streaming services hear more country and are becoming used to it. So they want to hear it and if they also are people who listen to pop radio, they’ll be okay with country hits on pop radio too.

[rainygirl]

I can only imagine how much bigger Shania Twain or Garth would have been now had they had this current environment.

[musiclife]

If Jason Aldean is really gonna do 300+k for the previous week in just 2 days.. is there a chance those sales will continue and he will have an even bigger week for this chart?

[joshtheking]

so is it just gonna be a trend for chart years in this decade to start off strong then turn to shit?

[rainygirl]

Jul 21, 2023 14:20:33 GMT -5 musiclife said:

If Jason Aldean is really gonna do 300+k for the previous week in just 2 days.. is there a chance those sales will continue and he will have an even bigger week for this chart?

no I don’t think these numbers will continue because I don’t see this as some organized movement by some rabid fandom . It was merely a reaction to an event and it will taper off.

[lazer]

I'm willing to bet that most of the streams Jason been getting are curiosity streams. I don't think it'll have some longevity.

[neel]

Jul 21, 2023 14:27:47 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Jul 21, 2023 14:20:33 GMT -5 musiclife said:

If Jason Aldean is really gonna do 300+k for the previous week in just 2 days.. is there a chance those sales will continue and he will have an even bigger week for this chart?

no I don’t think these numbers will continue because I don’t see this as some organized movement by some rabid fandom . It was merely a reaction to an event and it will taper off.

Won’t be surprised if Nashville ends up backing this up, and it starts increasing in radio and streams. If that were to happen, then expect this to top the Hot 100 for 5-13 weeks.