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Post by Juan Carlos on Sept 10, 2024 16:15:30 GMT -5
I just want to reiterate the following. Some of you could have a point of view about the payola and how they're affecting the charts and... that's fine. The article in mention, which it wasn't necessary for me to be translated because I'm bilingual, points out these things on streaming services (specifically on Spotify) and it's something that we've seen in the music industry. However, is there a part where it includes this song? No. Obviously, some of you might tell me that it was published on June 21 of this year (two months before this track was released), so it wasn't by default, but my intention to clarify what I've written is to say that there's still payola in the music industry, but we don't have anything to prove that they're doing that with "Die With A Smile". Regarding the callouts, I'm just going to quote this post that Austin made in the "Illusion" thread when there was another poster, who is now banned, pointed out about it and resumes it perfectly. Yeah, we haven't been able to publicly see callouts for 2 years now, this could be getting stellar or shitty callouts, either way we wouldn't know. The best we've got is Rate the Music, but that one's been unreliable since Twitter stans discovered it over a decade ago lol. This is #5 there, by the way. As a side note, I've seen that there's another poster who posted 'them' from another music forum. That said, unless I'm missing something, a quick MMI National Callouts Google search brings me to their site and when I see the latest Top 40 edition (9/9), the Top 40 callout has only 30 songs, so "Die With a Smile" isn't there. There's even a part of the .pdf file which says the following: As a side note, as far as I'm aware, this site isn't affiliated to Mediabase, so the Monday Morning Intel callouts and the ones which Mediabase does aren't the same and they're totally independent. Finally, but not the least important, if someone has a complaint about the payola in the music industry, why is it necessary to keep going and going with the discussion (which it's getting tired every time it's brought, although it shouldn't because it's an interesting topic to discuss if and only if you have the arguments to do so) about it in a single thread and not in the General Radio Discussion or the Let's Talk Business forums, for example? Anyway, please move on from this discussion in this thread, please, being this the last time I'm going to say that. Thanks!
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Post by No Brake$ on Sept 10, 2024 16:28:11 GMT -5
Will do. Apologies for upsetting everyone.
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Post by arturo52311 on Sept 10, 2024 16:28:37 GMT -5
Thank you for clarifying. I also saw that the MMI chart stopped at 30 when DWAS was allegedly #40...
Also it's funny that MMI says DWAS is from Joker 2 when it clearly isn't...
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Post by ObhiDonna on Sept 10, 2024 16:33:36 GMT -5
This serves me well never to trust anything from that wretched website.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 10, 2024 20:37:32 GMT -5
Please can make the mods make this stop. It's funny because you are comparing a Gaga/Bruno song that is one of the biggest streaming hits of the year to a Katy Perry song that spent one day on the US Spotify charts. If this was Spotify payola, then that still wouldn't it explain it being #1 on the other US platforms. Nobody how many times you try to force this down our throats doesn't mean people actually believe you. I’ll stop I promise. This again isn’t made up. People are upset like this is a genuine hit and it’s not. It is a paid hit. Algorithms spinning in streaming. The 1,000 spin drop in comparison to last week. The decrease (heavily) on streams. The callout lower than Tommie Richman follow up (yikes) It was paid heavily to be played for first two weeks on radio at same time paid on streaming and now the cash flow is resting. It’s literally a paid advertisement. Going to happen more and more. Be prepared. If “Fortnight”’s run wasn’t enough to prove people are just buying their #1’s not sure what to tell yall. Sorry to disappoint, but please quit calling payola an agenda or crazy talk, every ounce of it is bleeding with the numbers we are seeing. No name calling here, but hilarious with all the proof, articles prevalent everywhere, that the people saying payola or called the “idiots”. The real ones know the truth. I’ll stay out of this thread. Just remember, you get what you pay for. I mean, we can also just wait and see how the song ultimately performs and if you’re right or not. Though I suspect that wouldn’t change anything because even if it became a well-rounded hit, you’d claim payola and bought streams. I’m starting to wonder how exactly a song can become a hit in your eyes if radio is bought and streams are bought. With that logic, we can just assume every single hit right now is falsified. So why not go into every other thread and make this claim?
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Post by Choco on Sept 10, 2024 22:13:56 GMT -5
It's also hard for me to see any truth to a payola claim when it's comparatively doing slow numbers on CHR. It hasn't beaten what Katy Perry did week 1 with Woman's World and that was clearly 99% "radio deal$" and the like. So this would have at least skyrocketed to this vicinity instead of the relatively slow run it has had.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Sept 10, 2024 23:50:30 GMT -5
It's not necessary to quote a post from a certain someone unless you expect a reply from them in a week, although I hope it doesn't happen because it will derail this thread even further once again. However, I thought that I made it clear to not continue the discussion about the payola in the music industry in this thread when there are other parts of the forum where it could be easily discussed. As a consequence, this is my last post about this topic and any others about it might result in a warning.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 11, 2024 6:47:13 GMT -5
POP: 20 19 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 5889 5155 734 13.242
+71 Spins -158 Bullet +0.157 Audience
HOT AC: 12 12 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 2967 2678 289 10.262
+63 Spins +29 Bullet +0.242 Audience
AC: 7 7 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 674 609 65 2.549
-1 Spin -8 Bullet +0.042 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 46 42 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 332 305 27 0.420
+3 Spins = Bullet = Audience
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 11, 2024 8:44:25 GMT -5
US Spotify run:
Week 1 total: 13,379,712 plays
Day 8: #3 - 2,769,551 plays (-3,770) Day 9: #4 - 2,418,970 plays (-350,581) Day 10: #3 - 2,295,583 plays (-123,387) Day 11: #3 - 2,598,280 plays (+302,697) Day 12: #2 - 2,728,998 plays (+130,718) Day 13: #3 - 2,393,107 plays (-335,891) Day 14: #3 - 2,291,531 plays (-101,576)
Week 2 total: 17,496,020 plays (+4,116,308)
Day 15: #3 - 2,303,568 plays (+12,037) Day 16: #3 - 2,077,948 plays (-225,620) Day 17: #2 - 1,913,253 plays (-164,695) Day 18: #3 - 1,963,747 plays (+50,494) Day 19: #2 - 2,324,590 plays (+360,843) Day 20: #2 - 2,196,775 plays (-127,815) Day 21: #2 - 2,204,313 plays (+7,538)
Week 3 total: 14,984,194 plays (-2,511,826)
Day 22: #2 - 2,170,906 plays (-33,407) Day 23: #2 - 1,950,020 plays (-220,886) Day 24: #2 - 1,844,922 plays (-105,098) Day 25: #2 - 2,126,809 plays (+281,887) Day 26: #2 - 2,123,339 plays (-3,470)
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 11, 2024 13:25:43 GMT -5
The streaming payola has been so effective that Bruno is currently the 3rd most listened artist on Spotify (monthly listeners) and Gaga is 5th.
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Post by ObhiDonna on Sept 11, 2024 13:46:02 GMT -5
Is today’s update still the effect of radio (especially Pop) moving really slow in the 11 to 20 region?
Still #1 on global spotify with 11 million, Interscope must be haemorrhaging money.
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Post by jdanton2 on Sept 11, 2024 16:43:11 GMT -5
165 stations in total have added it at Pop out of the full panel of of 172.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 12, 2024 6:41:41 GMT -5
POP: 20 18 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 6035 5275 760 13.728
+146 Spins +26 Bullet +0.486 Audience
HOT AC: 12 12 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 3024 2719 305 10.440
+57 Spins +16 Bullet +0.178 Audience
AC: 7 7 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 672 602 70 2.563
-2 Spins +5 Bullet +0.014 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 46 43 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 338 308 30 0.417
+6 Spins +3 Bullet -0.003 Audience
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 12, 2024 12:49:51 GMT -5
US Spotify run:
Week 1 total: 13,379,712 plays
Day 8: #3 - 2,769,551 plays (-3,770) Day 9: #4 - 2,418,970 plays (-350,581) Day 10: #3 - 2,295,583 plays (-123,387) Day 11: #3 - 2,598,280 plays (+302,697) Day 12: #2 - 2,728,998 plays (+130,718) Day 13: #3 - 2,393,107 plays (-335,891) Day 14: #3 - 2,291,531 plays (-101,576)
Week 2 total: 17,496,020 plays (+4,116,308)
Day 15: #3 - 2,303,568 plays (+12,037) Day 16: #3 - 2,077,948 plays (-225,620) Day 17: #2 - 1,913,253 plays (-164,695) Day 18: #3 - 1,963,747 plays (+50,494) Day 19: #2 - 2,324,590 plays (+360,843) Day 20: #2 - 2,196,775 plays (-127,815) Day 21: #2 - 2,204,313 plays (+7,538)
Week 3 total: 14,984,194 plays (-2,511,826)
Day 22: #2 - 2,170,906 plays (-33,407) Day 23: #2 - 1,950,020 plays (-220,886) Day 24: #2 - 1,844,922 plays (-105,098) Day 25: #2 - 2,126,809 plays (+281,887) Day 26: #2 - 2,123,339 plays (-3,470) Day 27: #2 - 2,035,462 plays (-87,877)
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Post by ObhiDonna on Sept 12, 2024 13:09:56 GMT -5
Fantastic! This is the type of update we like to see. Wish they showed that recorded performance video on the VMAs, or maybe not, because it was atrocious.
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Post by shakemaki on Sept 12, 2024 13:52:46 GMT -5
Such a phenomenal first month on streaming. Only a few days removed from spending everyday over 2m.
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Post by chickythelittlechicken on Sept 12, 2024 16:22:24 GMT -5
With the stability so far this might be able to challenge for the fastest song to hit 1 bil streams on spotify.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 13, 2024 6:39:31 GMT -5
POP: 20 18 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 6142 5419 723 14.220
+107 Spins -37 Bullet +0.492 Audience
HOT AC: 12 11 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 3087 2764 323 10.616
+63 Spins +18 Bullet +0.176 Audience
AC: 7 7 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 681 606 75 2.632
+9 Spins +5 Bullet +0.069 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 45 43 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 340 313 27 0.419
+2 Spins -3 Bullet +0.002 Audience
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 13, 2024 11:43:53 GMT -5
US Spotify run:
Week 1 total: 13,379,712 plays
Day 8: #3 - 2,769,551 plays (-3,770) Day 9: #4 - 2,418,970 plays (-350,581) Day 10: #3 - 2,295,583 plays (-123,387) Day 11: #3 - 2,598,280 plays (+302,697) Day 12: #2 - 2,728,998 plays (+130,718) Day 13: #3 - 2,393,107 plays (-335,891) Day 14: #3 - 2,291,531 plays (-101,576)
Week 2 total: 17,496,020 plays (+4,116,308)
Day 15: #3 - 2,303,568 plays (+12,037) Day 16: #3 - 2,077,948 plays (-225,620) Day 17: #2 - 1,913,253 plays (-164,695) Day 18: #3 - 1,963,747 plays (+50,494) Day 19: #2 - 2,324,590 plays (+360,843) Day 20: #2 - 2,196,775 plays (-127,815) Day 21: #2 - 2,204,313 plays (+7,538)
Week 3 total: 14,984,194 plays (-2,511,826)
Day 22: #2 - 2,170,906 plays (-33,407) Day 23: #2 - 1,950,020 plays (-220,886) Day 24: #2 - 1,844,922 plays (-105,098) Day 25: #2 - 2,126,809 plays (+281,887) Day 26: #2 - 2,123,339 plays (-3,470) Day 27: #2 - 2,035,462 plays (-87,877) Day 28: #2 - 2,068,110 plays (+32,648)
Week 4 total: 14,319,568 plays (-664,626)
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 13, 2024 13:39:53 GMT -5
#6 (+1) in the UK this week.
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Post by beachboi69 on Sept 14, 2024 5:34:34 GMT -5
I watched an early screening of joker 2 and it was terrible. This song is not apart of that mess.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 14, 2024 6:17:31 GMT -5
We know that's it not considering it premiered in Venice 1.5 weeks ago and it wasn't in the movie then.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 14, 2024 6:38:58 GMT -5
POP: 19 18 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 6205 5512 693 14.345
+63 Spins -30 Bullet +0.125 Audience
HOT AC: 12 11 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 3139 2777 362 10.677
+52 Spins +39 Bullet +0.061 Audience
AC: 7 7 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 696 596 100 2.652
+15 Spins +25 Bullet +0.020 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 44 43 LADY GAGA & BRUNO MARS Die With A Smile 335 321 14 0.409
-5 Spins -13 Bullet -0.010 Audience
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 14, 2024 9:26:57 GMT -5
Brilliant!
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Post by jdanton2 on Sept 14, 2024 9:46:59 GMT -5
13 of those days it did over 10 Million.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 14, 2024 15:37:47 GMT -5
US Spotify run:
Week 1 total: 13,379,712 plays Week 2 total: 17,496,020 plays (+4,116,308)
Day 15: #3 - 2,303,568 plays (+12,037) Day 16: #3 - 2,077,948 plays (-225,620) Day 17: #2 - 1,913,253 plays (-164,695) Day 18: #3 - 1,963,747 plays (+50,494) Day 19: #2 - 2,324,590 plays (+360,843) Day 20: #2 - 2,196,775 plays (-127,815) Day 21: #2 - 2,204,313 plays (+7,538)
Week 3 total: 14,984,194 plays (-2,511,826)
Day 22: #2 - 2,170,906 plays (-33,407) Day 23: #2 - 1,950,020 plays (-220,886) Day 24: #2 - 1,844,922 plays (-105,098) Day 25: #2 - 2,126,809 plays (+281,887) Day 26: #2 - 2,123,339 plays (-3,470) Day 27: #2 - 2,035,462 plays (-87,877) Day 28: #2 - 2,068,110 plays (+32,648)
Week 4 total: 14,319,568 plays (-664,626)
Day 29: #3 - 2,150,013 plays (+81,093)
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Post by shakemaki on Sept 14, 2024 16:35:57 GMT -5
This is a juggernaut. All-time biggest hit potential for maybe both of them tbh. I really think Gaga needs to push the LG7 lead back from October to the start of next year, bc I see this completely dominating all of Fall.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 14, 2024 17:05:33 GMT -5
This is a juggernaut. All-time biggest hit potential for maybe both of them tbh. Woooooaaaah there, let's calm down a bit. lol
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Post by rainie on Sept 14, 2024 17:41:00 GMT -5
i'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but i'm confused abt why people are surprised this one is performing so well ? (a vibe i got from early on in this thread so this isn't just about some of the recent posts). last i checked, bruno mars is still a massive name, with his last single lead single (as part of silk sonic yes but im guessing 90% of the public saw it as just bruno) debuting at #1 and having some solid legs / smoking out the window also having a solid top 10 run, not to mention i've heard both in public multiple times in the years since. meanwhile gaga is maybe a bit more of a legacy act, but there seems to be a lot of affection towards her from the public and her star is enough that she's scored two #1 hits in the last 5 years
combine this with the fact that this is arguably a bit more radio friendly then anything bruno did in the silk sonic era and the lyrics probably resonate with a lot of people rn for various reasons and yeah. this is abt how i thought this would do. if anything i could've seen this debuting even higher, altho obv a #3 debut is still excellent by any measure
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Post by shakemaki on Sept 14, 2024 18:53:51 GMT -5
This is a juggernaut. All-time biggest hit potential for maybe both of them tbh. Woooooaaaah there, let's calm down a bit. lol I mean, it’s a distinct possibility on streaming atp. Radio, probably not, but I also can’t see them not getting fully on board in the long run.
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