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Post by mugshot on Apr 27, 2007 15:57:50 GMT -5
From the KCE.... This person is a moron 'Outta Know' talks about going down on people in theaters and s**t. 'Never Again' is PG in comparison and not nearly as raw. Its not even in the same league. Pat Benatar is a better comparison.
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Post by mimbomike on Apr 27, 2007 16:34:34 GMT -5
'Outta Know' talks about going down on people in theaters and s**t. 'Never Again' is PG in comparison and not nearly as raw. Its not even in the same league. Pat Benatar is a better comparison. iawtc. I don't see how "Never Again" is worse than Outta Know - that song is harsh!
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Post by Bluesy on Apr 27, 2007 20:28:22 GMT -5
Not a fan board. Learn to live with other opinions. Even negative ones. Maybe it's not a fan board, and certainly people have a right to express negative opinions, but other folks have a right to disagree with the negativity. I don't have a lot of time to post much, but I lurk here two or three times a day, and have for a couple of years. I don't usually see someone come on a thread and actively root for a song to fail, like JustinAB is doing. That crosses a line from opinion into something much meaner. I don't think we need to "learn to live" with that.
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Post by Jeff on Apr 27, 2007 20:35:28 GMT -5
Not a fan board. Learn to live with other opinions. Even negative ones. Maybe it's not a fan board, and certainly people have a right to express negative opinions, but other folks have a right to disagree with the negativity. I don't have a lot of time to post much, but I lurk here two or three times a day, and have for a couple of years. I don't usually see someone come on a thread and actively root for a song to fail, like JustinAB is doing. That crosses a line from opinion into something much meaner. I don't think we need to "learn to live" with that. I agree with you 100% But dont argue with these ppl. The mods/admins here do not listen to commen sense. They stick up and ignore the behavior of the haters trolls and bashers and warn/ban the innocent people who just want to sit back and watch/discuss this songs chart run. Seriosuly, I've been with this board for about 5 years, if it was not for the awesome regualr people (not the "mods" or "admins" who are drunk with this make believe power they think they have to make them think that they are better than everybody) I woulda left long time ago. haha
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Post by Jennifa on Apr 27, 2007 21:45:25 GMT -5
How could you have been here for 5 years when it didn't even exist at that time? And you joined in 05.
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Post by K. on Apr 27, 2007 22:03:28 GMT -5
Not a fan board. Learn to live with other opinions. Even negative ones. Amen. I'm a big fan of Kelly's but that needed to be said.
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Post by Juanca on Apr 28, 2007 1:06:45 GMT -5
Seriously, guys... Chill out!!! I read some animosities round here!!! one thing is being a hater, another is being realistic/objective. I think that no one said Kelly is doing bad, but I think is fair to say that she was going to face a big competition with Maroon 5 and not really able to win that competition the first day(s). We all have it clear. There is no reason to use negative adjectives here!!! It's an interesting song, very Pat-benatar-like, but I don't think it's as catchy as MMW, it's edgier than poppy, which is good for her, too... However, I still don't think if she projects that edgy image either... hard to believe her as rocker, easier for pop/rock... By the way, good performance on AI!!! However, I still think that Annie Lennox was simply magnificient. She beat all others by far... I miss her!!
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Post by mistuda on Apr 28, 2007 2:03:08 GMT -5
Well to bring things to a more positive note, I actually think Kelly's new single rocks!! I see it being a big hit in clubs and with a voice like hers, I don't see there being much filler on this album. This song will pick up a second wind and climb high on the charts wait and see!
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Post by Felicia on Apr 28, 2007 3:00:03 GMT -5
Not a fan board. Learn to live with other opinions. Even negative ones. Amen. I'm a big fan of Kelly's but that needed to be said. I totally agree. Whenever there's a negative comment the fans jump on the poster. I'm a fan of Kelly and even as a fan, I can dislike her music because it's not to my taste or the song is not up to par to her previous work.
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Post by dionysus on Apr 28, 2007 6:23:53 GMT -5
Mediabase
Kelly Clarkson , Never Again
Date / Spins To Date / Aud.(M) Apr 27 / 7,643 / 27.950 Apr 26 / 7,009 / 27.376 Apr 26 / 7,004 / 27.365 Apr 25 / 6,316 / 26.947 Apr 25 / 6,312 / 26.934 Apr 24 / 5,625 / 26.325 Apr 23 / 4,991 / 25.702 Apr 22 / 4,387 / 25.455 Apr 21 / 3,908 / 24.634
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Post by Repent Yourself Away on Apr 28, 2007 7:16:01 GMT -5
It's fine with me if people don't like her music or a song or even Kelly herself; hell I can't stand some of the songs on Thankful and even Breakaway has a song or 2 I don't really like. To each its own. Its when somebody comes into this thread to say "I want this single to do poorly" that people get nasty. Its not a fan board but there are fans here. If I go into a Christina Aguilera thread for instance and say wow this sucks I hope it does poorly I will have just as many people jumping down my throat. There is way too much personal banter in this thread though can we just end the BS and talk about the song and its chart run or lack there of if the case may be. This is getting annoying to come here and read nothing but posters fighting back and forth its like pre-school on the internet.
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Post by when the pawn... on Apr 28, 2007 7:30:08 GMT -5
From the KCE.... This person is a moron 'Outta Know' talks about going down on people in theaters and s**t. 'Never Again' is PG in comparison and not nearly as raw. Its not even in the same league. Pat Benatar is a better comparison. Disclaimer: I'm not bashing Kelly - I think she's the best AI contestent ever, one of the great vocalists of this decade. Never Again is a great song but... Being a hardcore Alanis JLP fan, there is NO comparison between You Oughta Know (the most badass female hit of the 90s) and Kelly Clarkson. I love Kelly, but its not Alanis. Kelly sings POP music that goes to the fun-rock side rather than dance-r&b side. Never Again probably is the hardest that she's ever been but lets get real - YOK was authentic bad-girl rock, Kelly is pop. That's not a bad thing but it's just fact.
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Post by K. on Apr 28, 2007 9:06:51 GMT -5
I don't see why everybody gets so upset by this comparison and feel the need to defend Alanis's music. People make drastic comparisons all the time.
And actually, if you look at the lyrics, Kelly is much more angry than Alanis. Sure, Alanis talks about F-ing and going down and such, but her song is really about making him realize the pain he's made her go through. Kelly's is about laughing in somebody's face at THEIR misfortune and proudly stating she's over him. Some people might call this bitter, I think that word can fit either song but it doesn't make them the same.
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Post by SILENCE on Apr 28, 2007 13:08:05 GMT -5
and the difference is, gigga won't go into Christina's thread to "remind" the fans this isn't a fanboard. It's clear that gigga has a bias against the Kellyfans (and possibly Kelly in general) here at Pulse. You go into Carrie's thread and say anything less than glowing and they practically rip you apart, nary a word of "not a fan board", you say negative stuff about Britney...again not a word to the fans defending her. It seems to ONLY be in Kelly's threads that this mantra is heralded as the word to live by.
Justin might be a kelly fan but my guess is he's really not and he'd like to see Kelly fail simply because it might make it easier for his favorite to do better. It's the same with everyone who is hoping this song flops. I get not liking the song, it's not everyone's cup of tea...but to actually HOPE it fails?? that's agenda driven and nothing else and IMO, fanboard or not, has no place on a site dedicated to discussing and following music.
dicky I want to thank you for providing those stats consistently. It make sit so much easier to see how her spins are increasing rather than decreasing like some have said they are.
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Post by beextina on Apr 28, 2007 13:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by MusicJunkie on Apr 28, 2007 13:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by SILENCE on Apr 28, 2007 14:55:46 GMT -5
then what prompted you to post? just to say "why the big deal"? not that I disagree with you but seriously something made you decide to click this thread and not only read it but respond to it which if the song wasn't at least interesting it wouldn't have 59 pages with barely 2 weeks in full release.
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Post by beextina on Apr 28, 2007 16:09:37 GMT -5
I like the song, but it should not be having all of this drama in the thread. If you like it, you like it. If you hate it, you hate it. No need for all of these attacks for someone not liking Kelly and no need for saying how much you want it to flop. This thread should be nowhere near 59 pages. Half of this thread is just arguments.
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Post by OUcultjam on Apr 28, 2007 17:13:59 GMT -5
spins on chr/pop per day: Sat. 4/21 | 391 | Sun. 4/22 | 343 | Mon. 4/23 | 435 | Tues. 4/24 | 448 | Wed. 4/25 | 458 | Thurs. 4/26 | 472 | Fri. 4/27 | 414 |
#1 on ratethemusic and promosquad, so I think this will start to pick up again next week, especially after the video comes out Tuesday.
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Post by Focus on Apr 28, 2007 17:43:38 GMT -5
spins on chr/pop per day: Thurs. 4/19 | 394 | Sat. 4/21 | 391 | Sun. 4/22 | 343 | Mon. 4/23 | 435 | Tues. 4/24 | 448 | Wed. 4/25 | 458 | Thurs. 4/26 | 472 | Fri. 4/27 | 414 |
#1 on ratethemusic and promosquad, so I think this will start to pick up again next week, especially after the video comes out Tuesday. OU, where did you get that table? Is it available on-line or do you create it yourself? Thanks!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 28, 2007 17:52:50 GMT -5
Haters vs someone having a negative opinion=this is easy guys. It is very easy to pick out the difference. Many people dislike the song. That is fine. Its an opinion. I am not even in love with the song and I am a huge Kelly teeny. Haters? Go back through the old Breakaway topics for proof. There is one poster in specific who has literally bashed the hell out of every song she has released beginning before Breakaway was even released. And, of course, has posted even more than the fans attacking this song and cd saying it will flop, her career is over, etc... In that case, I am not fooled by someone throwing in a "I love Kelly but!!!!" Haters annoy me, but people with a negative opinion do not. It seems like fans and mods have trouble telling the difference between the two sometimes. And to whoever brought up the mods being biased against Kelly fans over Christina fans, hell no. For the past several years we have had 3-4 posters who have repeatedly posted in multiple Christina AND nonChristina topics just to bash her, mock her, mock fans, and cause arguments. Some of them have openly admitted to being trolls and love "upsetting fans and ruining topics" And not a thing has been done about them. So I think in general its just a hands off forum for moderating. Which is fine...but you will see a lot less of me in Christina topics, Kelly topics, or any other artist who attracts trolls because its just obnoxious to me and I am tired of it. Thank god most rock artists do NOT have trolls! **goes to lurk at the alternative forum some more**
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Post by Live Your Life on Apr 28, 2007 18:11:49 GMT -5
I don't like this song at all.
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Post by pce2b on Apr 28, 2007 18:49:58 GMT -5
I think the first time you hear it, its very polarizing - you either love it or dont like it much. Then most people get into it after a few listens. Can I listen to it on repeat all day? No...I dont think it has the longevity as other singles do - but after the video, it will definitely be a good showing overall. Thing is - I really felt this way about BTHE and WA and they did fine so...
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Post by OUcultjam on Apr 28, 2007 19:22:52 GMT -5
OU, where did you get that table? Is it available on-line or do you create it yourself? Thanks! Create it myself using what we get from the mediabase 7-day page since we don't have access to the official chart... I keep track in an excel spreadsheet. (I'm a dork, I know.) I subtract today's number from yesterday's number and add in the number of the day just dropped... TODAY: 27 23 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 2961 2045 916 19.834 YESTERDAY: 28 23 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 2937 1947 990 19.541 LAST FRIDAY'S # SPINS: 390 2961-2937+390 = 414 If you add up the seven numbers I posted for each day in my earlier post, they equal the total that mediabase shows for the week: 2961
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 28, 2007 19:32:43 GMT -5
It's clear that gigga has a bias against the Kellyfans (and possibly Kelly in general) here at Pulse.
Please! LOL! Personally, I don't go into Christina threads or Britney threads because I'm not a fan. I DO come into this thread because I like the song and I'm growing an appreciation of Kelly, therefore, I'm probably more likely to catch someone doing/saying something "wrong". Chances are, Gigga is the same. It's *assumptions* like that that make you look bad. I don't want to cause any sort of a disagreement between regular posters and moderators here but some people seem to think we're drunk on power or whatever. I can't speak for others but I think when you have a title of "moderator", you're automatically assumed to have a level of authority that follows every single post you make. I guarantee you this post I'm making now will be seen as me belittling posters just because I'm a moderator and I'm not at all. I haven't done anything moderator related (lock a thread, ban, warn or anything like that) in over a week but I'm still here all the time as a regular poster. I DO believe, however, that the fan board stuff is VERY important. It's fine to discuss how you like a song and whatnot but this place isn't a fan board. First and foremost, these topics are for radio and charts discussions. Opinions are ALWAYS welcome but when fights break out because someone posts a negative opinion, it's obvious people aren't able to control themselves. And yes, that DOES work both ways! Unfortunately for some people, it seems that the "bad" posters are getting away with talking shit and being "allowed" to cause trouble. Not really. I personally just don't believe in banning people too quickly. There are too sides to every story and sometimes people are too quick to jump to the conclusion that people are trolling. Whether it looks like it or not, we ARE trying to make this board as good a place as we can for everyone, not just for the fans of specific artists. Claims that we are favouring fans of certain singers is dumb and suggesting it takes away your credibility. Don't bother.
Anyway, I came in here to reply to the comparisons to Alanis Morissette's 'You Oughta Know'. One of the first things I thought when I heard this song was "Who does she think she is? Alanis?!" lol. I think Alanis' song is one of the best songs of the last 20 years. It reaks of bitterness. Kelly's song seems to as well. I think the comparison is fitting to an extent but it's not something I would really make aside from the fact that they are both about similar topics.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 28, 2007 19:34:52 GMT -5
then what prompted you to post? just to say "why the big deal"? not that I disagree with you but seriously something made you decide to click this thread and not only read it but respond to it which if the song wasn't at least interesting it wouldn't have 59 pages with barely 2 weeks in full release.
No offense but what business is it of yours? That person's opinion is as valid as yours and here you are pretty much getting all defensive. THIS is why moderators (and others) have to come in here to remind people that this isn't a fan board.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Apr 28, 2007 21:33:57 GMT -5
It's funny how posters with JoJo, Kat McPhee, and Carrie Underwood avatars hate the song. I just think most Kelly fans expected something poppy and catchy, and instead were served with something bitter, dark, and more "rock" than Kelly's previous singles.
I for one hope the rest of the album is like this. The bitter and rockier Kelly intrigues me.
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Post by beaston on Apr 28, 2007 21:54:40 GMT -5
^ Agreed.
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Post by Jamie on Apr 28, 2007 23:25:17 GMT -5
It's funny how posters with JoJo, Kat McPhee, and Carrie Underwood avatars hate the song. This, for me, goes like with what eyeMax said about the whole moderator titles. I think everyone here sees someone with an avatar of someone they don't like and judges their post on that I know I do it, I'm guilty of seeing a Carrie (just an example, there are other instances in Brit/Mariah/Christina threads) avatar and immediately discrediting whatever negative statements they have towards Kelly, when really I shouldn't. It's also the reason that I don't like to use a Kelly avatar because even though she's my favorite artist I don't want people to judge my posts as being some sort of rabid "Kelbot" (whatever that means).
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Post by Positive Tension on Apr 29, 2007 0:45:27 GMT -5
^ Agreed 100% with Famous In A Small Town.
I like the dark Kelly. I hope that there'll be at least one beautiful ballad on the CD though, sung the way like she sung some songs off her debut CD. I do love the way she sings this song, though.
I can also see why this would be compared to "YOK" since the subject matter is similar, but as great as this song is, it can't touch "YOK."
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