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Post by Mike on May 14, 2007 14:22:47 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with me not "liking" it. There's no proof that this is real other than it has a few people's names in the send field and is well-written. And apparently this originated from a Clay board? I don't hate Clay or his fans, but some are notorious for starting ridiculous rumors. Would it be so farfetched to say that one of them made it up just to start drama? I think not.
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Post by desertflower on May 14, 2007 14:27:41 GMT -5
That was pretty rude Focus. That sounds like something you would read at a hater site.
The person who posted that has deleted the post. I notice that they left it up long enough for it to get around the Internet. Ever hear of Viral marketing?
Someone is real pissed off at Kelly....and I don't mean Clay Fans LOL. I mean someone at RCA. You have this...no good words from Clive....Perez. So what's next?
It will be interesting to see the numbers when her CD comes out. Are Kelly's sales radio driven...or are they because people are huge fans of Kelly?
I noticed that "My December" was put up on Amazon yesterday. It's ranking is #345. It's not exactly burning up the Amazon Charts. Yeah there is alot of hype for her album.......in the Media...but how much of it is real and how much of it is spin?
FYI-The only Clay Board this was posted on was at The Clackhouse, and that was after it was posted at TWOP and here. I saw the orginal post at The Velvet Rope. You can either believe me or not...your choice.
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Post by musiclives on May 14, 2007 14:28:40 GMT -5
Sadly, I believe it probably is real. Poor Kelly.
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Post by mugshot on May 14, 2007 14:29:34 GMT -5
The album will do fine but it won't be the hit 'Breakaway' was. But I think she can pull off decent sales.
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Post by Mike on May 14, 2007 14:31:53 GMT -5
I'm not too worried about the sales. Even if "Never Again" doesn't sell the album, there is bound to be SOMETHING on the album that will. I don't think she'll have BA numbers, but as long as she can hit 3-3.5 million I'll be happy. :)
And as long as I still enjoy the music, it won't really matter in the end what she ends up selling. I don't need an album to sell X amount of copies for me to enjoy it. Sure I'd love to see her sell a lot since she's one of the few talented people left in the industry, but if she doesn't it won't be the end of the world.
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Post by desertflower on May 14, 2007 14:32:05 GMT -5
But really, what does it matter what it sells....Kelly is expressing her Artistic side. Isn't that worth something?
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Post by Sleepless on May 14, 2007 14:32:43 GMT -5
I noticed that "My December" was put up on Amazon yesterday. It's ranking is #345. It's not exactly burning up the Amazon Charts. Yeah there is alot of hype for her album.......in the Media...but how much of it is real and how much of it is spin? I think that's a little unfair. The My December page on Amazon has no cover, no tracks listed, no information bio, nothing. How many people are really going to pre-order an album that's so far away that it has no info posted about it?
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Post by mugshot on May 14, 2007 14:36:22 GMT -5
But really, what does it matter what it sells....Kelly is expressing her Artistic side. Isn't that worth something? For the record industry no but to the fans yes, obviously. But what Kelly has to remember is that if this album really disappoints she may not get the same kind of support and push on the next album. We can't pretend commercial success is irrelevant for an artist that's on a major label.
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Post by dperkins on May 14, 2007 14:39:08 GMT -5
But really, what does it matter what it sells....Kelly is expressing her Artistic side. Isn't that worth something? Respect. This album might be a flop, but as long as its hot and she continues to make music, I will be happy. I don't need her to be all over radio to enjoy her. Just like when P!nk was flopping I still loved her. Always have and always will. Kelly is an artist. She does what she wants to do. Thats much better than being some stupid puppet created by the label. Even though every once in a while, a puppet is nice. I dont want Kelly to be a puppet though. Let the people who can't really sing become puppets.
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Post by K. on May 14, 2007 14:46:56 GMT -5
From the Velvet Rope.....so now RCA is leaking memos. This sounds way too b!tchy to be true, IMO.
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Post by shandrim on May 14, 2007 14:48:27 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with me not "liking" it. There's no proof that this is real other than it has a few people's names in the send field and is well-written. And apparently this originated from a Clay board? I don't hate Clay or his fans, but some are notorious for starting ridiculous rumors. Would it be so farfetched to say that one of them made it up just to start drama? I think not. NO, this did NOT originate from a Clay board. This originated from The Velvet Rope, an industry board that also leaked the information about Clive dissing Kelly at the Sony/BMG conference. Please stop blaming Clay fans for Kelly's troubles with RCA. It's not our fault that NA sucks.
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Post by K. on May 14, 2007 14:49:20 GMT -5
I noticed that "My December" was put up on Amazon yesterday. It's ranking is #345. It's not exactly burning up the Amazon Charts. Yeah there is alot of hype for her album.......in the Media...but how much of it is real and how much of it is spin? I think that's a little unfair. The My December page on Amazon has no cover, no tracks listed, no information bio, nothing. How many people are really going to pre-order an album that's so far away that it has no info posted about it? Not to mention it was just put on yesterday. Unless you're checking every thirty minutes on Amazon to see when it goes up, lol. I'd say 345 is pretty darn impressive for one day with no info!
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Post by dperkins on May 14, 2007 14:50:45 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with me not "liking" it. There's no proof that this is real other than it has a few people's names in the send field and is well-written. And apparently this originated from a Clay board? I don't hate Clay or his fans, but some are notorious for starting ridiculous rumors. Would it be so farfetched to say that one of them made it up just to start drama? I think not. NO, this did NOT originate from a Clay board. This originated from The Velvet Rope, an industry board that also leaked the information about Clive dissing Kelly at the Sony/BMG conference. Please stop blaming Clay fans for Kelly's troubles with RCA. It's not our fault that NA sucks. Maybe you could be a little nice and more understanding that people can misunderstand things! Mikey obviously missunderstood, no reason to jump on his shit for it. And you wonder why people bash Clay fans? Maybe you should be nicer and not give them such a bad name.
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Post by desertflower on May 14, 2007 14:52:54 GMT -5
The orginal poster at The Velvet Rope deleted the post. But he made this post previously.
He made this post in trying to de-bunk the rumor that Clive was trashing Kelly at the Presentation. I dunno, but it really sounds like he could work for RCA.
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Post by Mike on May 14, 2007 14:56:47 GMT -5
NO, this did NOT originate from a Clay board. This originated from The Velvet Rope, an industry board that also leaked the information about Clive dissing Kelly at the Sony/BMG conference. Please stop blaming Clay fans for Kelly's troubles with RCA. It's not our fault that NA sucks. Maybe you could be a little nice and more understanding that people can misunderstand things! Mikey obviously missunderstood, no reason to jump on his s**t for it. And you wonder why people bash Clay fans? Maybe you should be nicer and not give them such a bad name. Fo' rizzle. I wasn't even being hostile. ??? And some people may think NA sucks, but 177,265 don't seem to think so. ;)
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Post by Focus on May 14, 2007 15:01:49 GMT -5
That was pretty rude Focus. That sounds like something you would read at a hater site. Rude? that's nothin'. By hater site, are you speaking of the Pulse Music board, because this is the only place I've seen posts by Mikers, and the man does seem to hate Kelly and her fans. All you have to do is look up his post history.
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Post by desertflower on May 14, 2007 15:04:25 GMT -5
I don't know Mikers, it was your comment that offended me.
Maybe you forgot what board you were posting on. JMO ;)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 14, 2007 15:06:47 GMT -5
I noticed that "My December" was put up on Amazon yesterday. It's ranking is #345. It's not exactly burning up the Amazon Charts.
After one day? You're joking me that you're saying that just one day. I have no idea it was on amazon and I'm sure most didn't either. I'm no defender of Kelly but I bet if her CD were out tomorrow, it would pass the 200k mark easily.
If the memo is real, did they say they'd push the album up to June? :O I've never seen that happen before. Usually CDs get pushed back. When they get pushed up it's to avoid internet downloads.
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Post by vafan49 on May 14, 2007 15:12:31 GMT -5
I saw the original post at TVR but I didn't bring it here because I didn't want to get attacked since I am a Clay fan. I haven't seen it yet on a Clay board--I haven't been to one recently. But I'm wondering, would y'all rather have not known about that memo? Do you only want info about Kelly to be provided by certified Kelly fans?
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Post by nucker on May 14, 2007 15:13:28 GMT -5
Mikers and Mikey are two different posters... I think people got confused there.
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Post by Swindle on May 14, 2007 15:18:09 GMT -5
Maybe if there wasn't a long standing, seemingly neverending Kelly-Clay fanwar, people wouldn't be so fast to point fingers. I'm sure the haters are loving it all the same, though. ho hum.
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Post by Focus on May 14, 2007 15:19:19 GMT -5
I don't know Mikers, it was your comment that offended me. Maybe you forgot what board you were posting on. JMO ;) I'm posting on this board and the KCE and TWoP at times. I don't consider the KCE a hater board (yes I know, Clayfans thinks we're the devil incarnate and the depths of Hell). Sometimes this board might fall into that category..but only sometimes and TWoP, yeah, that's pretty much a hater board. Sorry to offend your somewhat delicate sensibilites....seriously.
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Post by desertflower on May 14, 2007 15:20:41 GMT -5
I accept your apology Focus. Friends again? I really don't think Clay Fans are gloating...you forget we went through this shit last year. There are many Clay Fans that are also fans of Kelly. I really hate to see Kelly go through this crap, like Clay did. I had hoped that it would be different with Kelly since she has sold so many CD's for RCA. Guess Clive's ego is more important than $$$.
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Post by Mike on May 14, 2007 15:23:12 GMT -5
I saw the original post at TVR but I didn't bring it here because I didn't want to get attacked since I am a Clay fan. I haven't seen it yet on a Clay board--I haven't been to one recently. But I'm wondering, would y'all rather have not known about that memo? Do you only want info about Kelly to be provided by certified Kelly fans? Information doesn't have to come from certified Kelly fans, but it should come from a credible source. Someone posting an e-mail with no actual proof doesn't seem reliable to me.
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Post by vafan49 on May 14, 2007 15:33:50 GMT -5
I would guess it would be up to each individual to decide if the memo is the real deal or fake. I wouldn't want somebody to decide that for me. TVR doesn't put up with trolls as far as I can tell.
And yes, it is of interest to Clay fans since he went through something with Clive. Clay's problems were kept quiet and never made headlines, but you have to wonder how his treatment relates to what Kelly, or any other RCA artist for that matter, is going through.
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Post by HellonUrth on May 14, 2007 15:35:05 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with me not "liking" it. There's no proof that this is real other than it has a few people's names in the send field and is well-written. And apparently this originated from a Clay board? I don't hate Clay or his fans, but some are notorious for starting ridiculous rumors. Would it be so farfetched to say that one of them made it up just to start drama? I think not. You'd be wrong. The accusations fly fast against us, then when it turns out it wasn't Clayfans, nobody says oops sorry or anything. We get tired of getting the blame for everything. Believe me, we are not that invested. I'll admit that I'm finding it a bit amusing that when RCA screwed with Clay last fall, you all thought that Clive would never be such a jerk to one of their artists. Now your eyes are being opened and I admit that I feel vindicated.
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Post by mugshot on May 14, 2007 15:43:11 GMT -5
So I guess Clive is responsible for the songs poor reception in the UK and Germany too? Please.
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Post by Mike on May 14, 2007 15:44:47 GMT -5
Well, I for one do apologize if it really wasn't a Clay fan that made it up I'm not here to fuel any fan-wars, because I think they're ridiculous. I said before it was possible that it could have been a Clay-mate, because SOME have been known to start random rumors. Just as there are Kelly fans that have started/said things about Clay that aren't true.
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Post by justfloating on May 14, 2007 15:48:47 GMT -5
^and thats pathetic you get pleasure out of someone else's failure. you could be the mature one in the situation instead of acting like you are the leader of Clay's fans. the situation between Kelly and Clay is completely different so everyone should just get over it. the difference is Kelly is successful, Clay isnt. Kelly will have a mediocre first single and sell over 200 k her first week. thats my view.
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Post by When I Ruled the World on May 14, 2007 16:18:11 GMT -5
I just hate that this song seems to have majorly underformed on radio. Some people (see Dlisted) are making fun of her for being fat (which she isn't).
I wish she would have been heavier during Breakaway, because nothing could stop her then! I think it would have sent a great message to teens.
If the rumors are true, I don't see this album selling more than 2 million (which in this climate is a smash, in my opinion).
I am very happy that the bullet is picking up again though! I said a few days ago that RCA would Payola this to the Top 10, but I'm not so sure anymore after reading how many industry people didn't like her album. I hope they aren't going to try to teach her a lesson by not using Payola!
I refuse to believe that the entire album is as "uncatchy" as "Never Again" (which I've grown to like). I KNOW there is a "Because of You" in there, which would give her 2 million album sales alone! Go Kelly!
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