Kelly Clarkson 'Never Again' (Now on iTunes!)

[kellyfan1232]

I'm going to have my finally judgement on this song after the AI finale. I HOPE she performs this song.

[ruby1]

i tought Rihanna was gonna perform..or is it Kelly to???

[popmusicaddict]

legendtina1 said:

carriefan0209 said:

will u please stop trying to start things? do u not read what the posters say and only look at who is posting them? sheesh.

But Dr. Luke has a point. When someone says they think a first single by a female artist who prior to this had 5 TOP 5 radio hits off her last album, when they say they think it will flop...that could mean a peak anywhere from #11 to #20. But peaking outside the Top 20...that's even worse! No one expected this...even the people who predicted it would flop. I predicted it would flop but i predicted around #15...not this. I think that's what he means.

Its not really 'even worse', all these 'points' are moot. Calling this the biggest flop for an opening single by an established female artist on pop is ignorant. Its the highest debuting song on airplay of the year and/or since Christina Aguilera last year. And mind you 3,400ish spins would have yeilded top 15 status back then, hell probably not even half a year ago. So you people saying 'Oh man thought it would at least be #18, or #15 or top 20 or whatever' aren't really building a significant case or point. Don't kid yourselves, you know everyone thinks if it didn't go top 5 they would consider it a flop anyway Its an unfortunate expectation Kelly created with such amazing success with Breakaway. It IS top 20 on Billboard Airplay with a minor bullet. The decline on Mediabase isn't so severe to call it a bomb yet, and hey guess what? It STILL hasn't lost maximum position.

So tell me how that is the worst opening single by an established top 40 female artist? Oh that's right..cuz its not and to use labelmate Daughtry's catch phrase - IT'S NOT OVER!

I'd be shocked if her preformance on AI did NOTHING...impossible - especially on the digital side. The only thing I agree with you on that is the Hot 100 is definately a poor measure of its true success, but everyone knows that duh

I don't care if people or even fans call this a flop right now - that's fine..its being realistic, its the false comparisions that get me, or saying this is ruining her career (not that you said that legendtina1).

[pyrates]

The only problem I see with depending too much on the Idol performance is that so many stars and former contestants are performing that Kelly's performance may not have the same impact it might have had, had she performed on a different results night. That said, I haven't completely given up hope, but it seems like a long shot.

[popmusicaddict]

danab392 said:

The only problem I see with depending too much on the Idol performance is that so many stars and former contestants are performing that Kelly's performance may not have the same impact it might have had, had she performed on a different results night. That said, I haven't completely given up hope, but it seems like a long shot.

Well, its not really depending on Idol. Other Call Out, Promo, new album release date and other recent and multiple preformances on shows would NEVER ever take an immediate weekly effect on airplay.

Ok you win Dr. Luke ..I am officially giving this 6 weeks but it wasn't purely determined by call out - there's alot of other factors now so I'm still being stubborn and calling you partically wrong ;)

If by the 6th week its still declining I'd say its definately over and they should begin planning their asses off with timing and selection of the 2nd single.

Radio is sloooooow guys, if radio really didn't like it it would EASILY be -800ish by now. EASILY. Look how fast other bombs by big artists took to plunge down the charts... Say Somethin, Wind It Up, Stars Are Blind, DeJa Vu, Public Affair all didn't take very long from its peak position to dive bomb -1000s and go down 10-20 positions, some within THAT same week..infact alot of those songs I mentioned did just that.

[Jennifa]

This is on its way there. All those songs atleast went Top 20 (Deja Vu and SAB went Top 15), this is just a major flop.

[ritymeez]

new single.

[orchbellzbab]

realnewlight said:

I really think they should have kept the July release date, and rush released a second single. At this rate, its gonna be tough for NA to have over 15 million total audience impressions by the time the album comes out..it could still have a big first week, but the 2nd, and 3rd, etc. are gonna be rough if they dont do something

And I know a lot of you dont care about the commercial success of this album, and thats cool. But you guys need to look at reality too...when an album is commercially successful it affords the artist more opportunities for artistic expresion (more videos, etc)..and probably most importantly, it gives them more weight and credability when fighting for what they want with record labels in the future.

The reason that Kelly was in the end able to put out exactly the album she wanted to this time around, even though it took a lot of fighting and there were many issues, is because of how succesful Breakaway was. If My December ends up being a commercial failure...she will not have the same weight, and it is very possible that no matter how much she fights for she wants on the next album, RCA will just not let her put out until they are happy with it...in the end, this is a business for them, and they do not want to lose money by pooring their money into projects that are not profitable for them.

So i understand, and respect you guys opinion that commercial success is not what is important...but in the end, it does matter in some very important ways.

This album concludes her contract with RCA/Sony... do you honestly think she's gonna extend her contract after all this stuff came out? I doubt it.

[realnewlight]

^Even if she moves to another label, dont you think she would be in a MUCH stronger position to ask for creative control if they album is a commercial success than if its not?

Record labels are not the devil that people sometimes make them out to be...but yes they are businesses, and their main goal is to create profits...and thousands of people make a living thanks to those profits, so its not as simple as it seems IMO.

[How Do You Do?]

myreflection said:

yes Focus, swearing is a sin...but specifically taking the Lord's name in vain is the biggie...

I am sorry I just can't let this stand. Swearing is not a sin. Taking the Lord's name in vain is a sin. I could however walk into a church and scream "Fuck your mother" and it would not be a sin. It would be tacky and rude, but not a sin.

[Modern Myth]

I heard this over 10 times yesterday on the radio station. Not a flop on 96.5!

[shandrim]

orchbellzbab said:

This album concludes her contract with RCA/Sony... do you honestly think she's gonna extend her contract after all this stuff came out? I doubt it.

Where did you get that? Kelly's contract is for 5 albums, not 3. Recent winners such as Taylor have a 3 album deal, but the original contract back during season 1 was for 5 albums. The information about the 5-album deal came out back in 2005, when CKx, Inc. bought 19 and a few months later filed an Official Registration Statement with the SEC. The document has over 100 pages and I'm not reading the whole thing again (once during 2005 was enough, thank you very much), but the mention is there somewhere.

[Focus]

^ If things haven't changed for Kelly since then, then that's a crying shame.

[Bunifa Latifah Jackson]

This is over
Roll over to the next single 'One Minute' like PRONTO

[MusicJunkie]

I thought the next single was 'Sober'.

[Bunifa Latifah Jackson]

Didnt she say that Sober would be a possible future single, I mean, not the second?
Anyway, roll over to ANY OTHER song, 'Never Again' is ovah

[eljefro]

One Minute is catchy...I think it will do well...

[popmusicaddict]

jennifer said:

This is on its way there. All those songs atleast went Top 20 (Deja Vu and SAB went Top 15), this is just a major flop.

Like I said before, aside from DeJa Vu radio gave Never Again better treatment than all those songs, debuting way higher and its highest spin (thus far) of 3500ish which was higher spinned than any of those other flops. Not to mention I don't see this song taking 10 to 20 spot drops in a week like those.

All that = NOT a bigger flop than those songs. Its not Kelly's fault the charts are fugged up right now compared to then. Besides who says she still wont get top 20 on Mediabase? With the songs above her dropping I say it happens by the weekend - doesn't look that impossible to me - neither does a comeback.

[kellyfan1232]

I dont like One Minute. I think the bridge is similiar in some way as NA.

[K.]

This may be ridiculous since none of us have even heard it yet, but I have this gut feeling that "Sober" is going to be a monster smash hit this fall/winter. I read it has a Sarah McLachlan feel to it, which is perfect for Kelly's voice and would definitely fill a void on the airwaves this year.

I actually think NA might be too SIMILAR to her recent hits (but not quite as catchy) and that's why it flopped. She needs a new sound to go big this time around, and the Sarah McLachlan-esque style might do it for her.

[SILENCE]

I just have to laugh at all the people jumping to dr. luke's defense....awww poor luke...sorry I scoffed at your notion that you thought this song would do better. I guess a few weeks ago when you were predicting this song would be a total flop you were just joking around. ;)

Where did you get that? Kelly's contract is for 5 albums, not 3. Recent winners such as Taylor have a 3 album deal, but the original contract back during season 1 was for 5 albums.

sorry I don't see the logic behind that. It makes ZERO sense that RCA would commit to 5 albums on an unproven artist who happened to win a reality show (when history had already shown that these type of shows did NOT generate real world success)...yet AFTER it's proven that these artists can in fact really move CDs and have success they SHORTEN the contract terms thereby potentially costing them millions in revenue when these artists easily fullfill a 3 CD deal and move onto another label.

thats why i was yelling at myreflection

at least you admit to your inappropriate behavior Carriefan....

[audiogarden]

Shandrim wrote: Where did you get that? Kelly's contract is for 5 albums, not 3. Recent winners such as Taylor have a 3 album deal, but the original contract back during season 1 was for 5 albums.

Myreflection wrote: sorry I don't see the logic behind that. It makes ZERO sense that RCA would commit to 5 albums on an unproven artist who happened to win a reality show (when history had already shown that these type of shows did NOT generate real world success)...yet AFTER it's proven that these artists can in fact really move CDs and have success they SHORTEN the contract terms thereby potentially costing them millions in revenue when these artists easily fullfill a 3 CD deal and move onto another label

A contract for 5 albums is at the discretion of the label. Usually only one or two albums are guaranteed to be made by the label (Justin Guarini, anyone?). The other 'albums' are actually option periods, which usually run from 12 to 18 months.

The label has to exercise the option, within that option period, or the artist is out the door.

The option is entirely with the label. If they want the album, the artist has to deliver.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

What longevity has 'Never Again' had? Has the song even been out a month? It's on the same rate as all the other flops like 'Deja Vu' and 'Wind It Up'. I bet if someone posted their chart runs and compared it to 'Never Again', it would be very similar. In fact, 'Never Again's bullet fizzled faster than 'Deja Vu'. 'Never Again' went from +1400 to like +400 in one week. Thats' simply unheard of. 'DejaVu' had a spin peak at around 4000, and 'Wind It Up' at around 3500. I'm sorry, just because a song is losing -100 instead of -1000 one month after it was released does not mean longevity at all. You want longevity...look at 'Since U Been Gone'.

Yes i agree, the AI performance will help her in digital sales. It will probably have like a +30% increase in sales, but it will not regain its bullet and magically go top ten on radio. It might help the song fall slower...but it's still going to FALL (key word being FALL...which is not good considering her album doesn't come out for 5 more weeks).

First they were saying the video was going to help, and it didn't. Then they said the promotion was going to help, and it didn't. Now it's American Idol. I remember the days when Kelly would be able to release a ghost single with no performances and no video and nothing would stop it from going Top 3, now here are her fans begging her to perform on American Idol just so she can crack in a week at #20.

[shandrim]

myreflection said:

Where did you get that? Kelly's contract is for 5 albums, not 3. Recent winners such as Taylor have a 3 album deal, but the original contract back during season 1 was for 5 albums.

sorry I don't see the logic behind that. It makes ZERO sense that RCA would commit to 5 albums on an unproven artist who happened to win a reality show (when history had already shown that these type of shows did NOT generate real world success)...yet AFTER it's proven that these artists can in fact really move CDs and have success they SHORTEN the contract terms thereby potentially costing them millions in revenue when these artists easily fullfill a 3 CD deal and move onto another label.

A five album option means that the label has the option to keep the artist signed for five albums while retaining the option of dropping them at any time (see Guarini, dropped after only one album, or Tamyra, dropped before her album was ever released). A deal like that involves little risk for the label, since they can drop the artist at any time. Labels like five and even seven album deals sometimes because they don't like breaking in new artists over two or three records only to lose them just as they are becoming famous. Of course, that's not a problem with AIers, because they already come with a huge amount of fame and media coverage from the show, so the label really doesn't need several albums to build that fame. That's probably why the contract was shortened.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter if it makes sense to you or not. The five album deal for the first season of AI is spelled out by 19's owners in an official document filed with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. If you have a better source that contradicts that SEC filing, then I'd love to see it.

[Jennifa]

legendtina1 said:

What longevity has 'Never Again' had? Has the song even been out a month? It's on the same rate as all the other flops like 'Deja Vu' and 'Wind It Up'. I bet if someone posted their chart runs and compared it to 'Never Again', it would be very similar. In fact, 'Never Again's bullet fizzled faster than 'Deja Vu'. 'Never Again' went from +1400 to like +400 in one week. Thats' simply unheard of. 'DejaVu' had a spin peak at around 4000, and 'Wind It Up' at around 3500. I'm sorry, just because a song is losing -100 instead of -1000 one month after it was released does not mean longevity at all. You want longevity...look at 'Since U Been Gone'.

Yes i agree, the AI performance will help her in digital sales. It will probably have like a +30% increase in sales, but it will not regain its bullet and magically go top ten on radio. It might help the song fall slower...but it's still going to FALL (key word being FALL...which is not good considering her album doesn't come out for 5 more weeks).

First they were saying the video was going to help, and it didn't. Then they said the promotion was going to help, and it didn't. Now it's American Idol. I remember the days when Kelly would be able to release a ghost single with no performances and no video and nothing would stop it from going Top 3, now here are her fans begging her to perform on American Idol just so she can crack in a week at #20.

You should be worrying about the ho in your avatar who is severely flopping this era rather than wasting your time hating on Kelly.

[Bunifa Latifah Jackson]

LOL, people are saying this had more longevity than Deja Vu? Excuse me, people seem to forget to fast about this.
Gosh, NA has been on radio for like only 1 month and it is already DEAD

[missclarkson]

im not even gonna lie, if this doesnt pick up and get a second wind after AI (which probably wont help much), it's an airplay flop. no matter how you look at it. lets not be a bunch of sore losers like some other fan base *coughaguleracough*lol ....

any word on the next single?
i rather it'd be something other than OM. OM is somewhat similar to NA. i think it'd be a good idea to hit radio with a completly different type of song like a slow ballad or a pop/rock ballad. if NA couldnt do much, i doubt OM would be that much different. I agree about sticking to original july 24th so they can work the 2nd single but i cant wait any longer for the album i wanna hear MD ASAP! lol so june date is great too lol ... i dont know what RCA is planning at the moment, they must be kindda in a panic mode now lol

[audiogarden]

I think it is too early to give up. I don't believe radio is entirely a meritocrasy. If the RCA rep shows up with a bag full of goodies and buys some advertising time to promote the upcoming album and upcoming tour, PDs may suddenly decide that NA is the 'best da*n thing'.

Yes, I really am that jaded where radio play is concerned.

[bottleitup]

thedoctorluke said:

KELLY CLARKSON Never Again -127

I can't believe it... I thought it would do better than this. Hopefully her next single will be more radio friendly. Good songs and radio friendly don't always meet....

I completely agree with this. The top 2 songs on pop right now are evidence.

[sunpeach]

"Never Again" is just not a good song and not a good choice for a single. It is like a "Breakaway" type song but it's not half as good. I think it is going to hurt first week sales for the new album which would probably have been bigger without it. Being a superstar is not easy. George Michael said he really wanted that status, to be up there with Madonna and Michael Jackson, and with the "Faith" album, he put himself up there but then he imploded and could not sustain it- it was too much for him- and I think it might be too much for Kelly to handle as well. If the rest of the songs are like "Never Again," she's headed for a fall. Kelly seems to think one album that doesn't sell well is not that big a deal since it's only one album but it doesn't work that way. You can't just snap your fingers and have another "Breakaway" with the next one if you want. I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone would think this song was any good in the first place. If this is what she thinks is a great single, she's in trouble, because it's not and she doesn't seem to know it.