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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 3, 2007 21:42:00 GMT -5
So what is a hit? Top 10 on the hot 100, top 5 on Pop... almost top 20 on Top 40, nearly Top 10 on AC... What is a hit? It's not a #1 smash no, but it's far from a flop, it's a hit in todays standards.
I'd be crazy for saying this, probably, according to some people, but I personally think a "hit" can't be defined simply by chart stats. Every song is different and it really depends on the individual situations surrounding the song. For a song to be a hit, first you'd have to look at the artist, the album, the label, then whether it's a first single used to promote an album, a second single, a third single. Whether there's a video. How it's promoted. How the artist treats the song. How well the song is expected to do. Whether it's supposed to sell the album, announce the return of the artist, just simply be there and see what happens, etc, etc. In Kelly's case, I think the song was meant to be a big hit. She's a big name. This album is fairly high in anticipated releases. She has a big label. There's quite a bit of press on her. It's a first single AND it's following up five big Top 5 hits. I think anything below Top 10 and less than 20 weeks on the chart would be deemed a flop.
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Post by Peach on Jun 3, 2007 21:42:17 GMT -5
I just want a new single already, dammit!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 3, 2007 21:42:43 GMT -5
I agree with Max
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 3, 2007 21:43:19 GMT -5
I just want a new single already, dammit! I agree with this too, but Im starting to think a new single will not be released for awhile :(
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Post by Peach on Jun 3, 2007 21:44:06 GMT -5
So what is a hit? Top 10 on the hot 100, top 5 on Pop... almost top 20 on Top 40, nearly Top 10 on AC... What is a hit? It's not a #1 smash no, but it's far from a flop, it's a hit in todays standards.
I'd be crazy for saying this, probably, according to some people, but I personally think a "hit" can't be defined simply by chart stats. Every song is different and it really depends on the individual situations surrounding the song. For a song to be a hit, first you'd have to look at the artist, the album, the label, then whether it's a first single used to promote an album, a second single, a third single. Whether there's a video. How it's promoted. How the artist treats the song. How well the song is expected to do. Whether it's supposed to sell the album, announce the return of the artist, just simply be there and see what happens, etc, etc. In Kelly's case, I think the song was meant to be a big hit. She's a big name. This album is fairly high in anticipated releases. She has a big label. There's quite a bit of press on her. It's a first single AND it's following up five big Top 5 hits. I think anything below Top 10 and less than 20 weeks on the chart would be deemed a flop.Exactly - it's all relative to the artist.
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Post by justfloating on Jun 3, 2007 21:47:07 GMT -5
Im so glad 93 pages we have come to the same point that was mentioned on 12 other pages...this thread is so pointless.its the same stuff every 5 pages.
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jun 3, 2007 21:47:23 GMT -5
Kelly's singles usually have 3 months apart from eachother or more. If there's a new single before August I'd have to disagree with eyeMax unfortunately. I know alot of people, including myself, wouldn't want to hear it - but I really don't think the label wanted or expected this to be a big hit, and its purpose was hype and opening.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 3, 2007 21:47:54 GMT -5
Im so glad 93 pages we have come to the same point that was mentioned on 12 other pages...this thread is so pointless.its the same stuff every 5 pages. Says the Pink fan Im sorry, I had to go there lmao
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Post by justfloating on Jun 3, 2007 21:49:36 GMT -5
^what is that supposed to mean? There are hardly any arguments in Pink's threads and there is certainly not repetition. facts are posted and people reply. what does who i have in my avatar and signature have to do with anything? do you have ADD or something or some other disease you were forced by society to have contracted?
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Post by Peach on Jun 3, 2007 21:50:10 GMT -5
Im so glad 93 pages we have come to the same point that was mentioned on 12 other pages...this thread is so pointless.its the same stuff every 5 pages. Says the Pink fan Im sorry, I had to go there lmao LMAO...I was thinking the same thing but I didn't want to say it. ;)
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Post by JORDAN on Jun 3, 2007 21:50:23 GMT -5
Im so glad 93 pages we have come to the same point that was mentioned on 12 other pages...this thread is so pointless.its the same stuff every 5 pages. Indeed, but this page doesn't seem so hostile to me as the other ones. ;) Im so glad 93 pages we have come to the same point that was mentioned on 12 other pages...this thread is so pointless.its the same stuff every 5 pages. Says the Pink fan Im sorry, I had to go there lmao HAH. nice one. and I don't mean to interrupt the discussion, but Princess Peach, everytime i look at your avatar i crack up :)
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 3, 2007 21:51:34 GMT -5
Im glad other people got it and not just me! And no, I have no diseases that "society forced me to contract"
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Post by realnewlight on Jun 3, 2007 21:51:58 GMT -5
A song that rebounds into the top 10 on the Hot 100 after already being out for 7 weeks is not "over", by any stretch. The "Hype of her being a big name" would be well over with within 3 weeks if the song really did bomb. The only format where this is underpreforming is CHR/Pop Airplay - period. I don't remember any of those other 'flops' you mentioned selling so constantly and rebounding like that, do you? Don't use Idol as the full reason either, if that was the case than Carrie's and Gwen song woulda hit / rebounding to top 10 as well. Carrie did not get a boost because her song was taken off iTunes, and Gwen's song jumped 247% on digital sales, and from #125 to #76 on the Hot 100 after AI, compared to 26% for Kelly and her jump to #9 (of course part of that is because kelly's was already selling much more, but Gwen did indeed get a huge boost)). I personally do not even think this is doing that well in digital sales considering the hype behind this track...it got a bump because of AI, as did everyone else that performed...but if you compare its digital sales to other first singles from big artists...its actually doing quite poorly. AND, it is also underperforming on Hot AC, considering the strength of her Breakaway singles on that format.
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Post by JORDAN on Jun 3, 2007 21:54:49 GMT -5
Im glad other people got it and not just me! And no, I have no diseases that "society forced me to contract" I chuckled at it and I'm a Pink fan. :) Debbie, i don't think LPL meant to offend. :)
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Post by ruby1 on Jun 3, 2007 21:56:14 GMT -5
^what is that supposed to mean? There are hardly any arguments in Pink's threads and there is certainly not repetition. facts are posted and people reply. what does who i have in my avatar and signature have to do with anything? do you have ADD or something or some other disease you were forced by society to have contracted? Oh I officially love you.. MEVER AGAIN is not gonna be seen as a flop!! I mean most people dont care about radio charts or any other chart..they only care about the BIG CHART..which is THE BILLBOARD HOT 100 which the song hit #8 and is in the top 10 right now..so they gonna think its a hit so......
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 3, 2007 21:57:04 GMT -5
Nah, I didnt mean it mean heartedly.
And I think it is doing well on digital downloads just because it has stayed remarkably steady for very, very little airplay. I mean, its STILL top 10 and not even top 10 on any format, and not even top 20 on her home format.
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Post by JORDAN on Jun 3, 2007 21:57:32 GMT -5
MEVER AGAIN. Hot Nu Kelly Clarkson smash, huh Ruru? haha. I keed i keed.
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Post by realnewlight on Jun 3, 2007 21:58:33 GMT -5
^It is doing well in digital sales in comparison to other songs with similar airplay...but if you compare it to other first singles by big artists, it is not doing that well.
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Post by JORDAN on Jun 3, 2007 21:59:42 GMT -5
And I think it is doing well on digital downloads just because it has stayed remarkably steady for very, very little airplay. I mean, its STILL top 10 and not even top 10 on any format, and not even top 20 on her home format. I was thinking that too; for less than Top 20 airplay, not leaving the top 10 on iTunes since release is good. (She hasn't left top 10, right?)
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Post by ruby1 on Jun 3, 2007 22:00:37 GMT -5
YES. I mean it hit top 10 in da OFFICIAL CHART now if it had hit 80 than that its a flop but 8..*8*!!! thats not a flop at all!! Im sorry im just a lil hung over
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 3, 2007 22:00:44 GMT -5
I dont THINK she has, but dont quote me on it.
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Post by JORDAN on Jun 3, 2007 22:01:49 GMT -5
^It is doing well in digital sales in comparison to other songs with similar airplay...but if you compare it to other first singles by big artists, it is not doing that well. Something else to consider; RCA didn't delay the release of the single onto iTunes, while a lot of other artists with highly anticipated singles did. For instance, Makes Me Wonder and Umbrella did extremely well from the start because they were released at the right time. RCA didn't hold off on NA.
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Post by ruby1 on Jun 3, 2007 22:04:22 GMT -5
*8*!!! thats only 7 spots away from #1. Thats not a flop! VOLTA IN STORES NOW
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Post by realnewlight on Jun 3, 2007 22:06:30 GMT -5
^It is doing well in digital sales in comparison to other songs with similar airplay...but if you compare it to other first singles by big artists, it is not doing that well. Something else to consider; RCA didn't delay the release of the single onto iTunes, while a lot of other artists with highly anticipated singles did. For instance, Makes Me Wonder and Umbrella did extremely well from the start because they were released at the right time. RCA didn't hold off on NA. Even if you compare it to other first singles by big artists that were not held back, it is doing at best ok...especially considering the HUGE amount of promo the single got in the US.
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on Jun 4, 2007 0:00:06 GMT -5
I agree with the person that said that we can't automatically call a song a hit just because it debut at #8 on the Hot 100 and then plummeted down (before rebounding again for one extra week simply because it was exposed to an extra 30 million people). In that case, EVERY first single by a returning big artist will be a hit. So lets start calling them now.
Britney Spears first single will be a hit no matter what Mariah Careys first single will be a big hit no matter what Ushers first single will be a big hit no matter what Alicia Keys first single will be a big hit no matter what Every artist whos last CD sold over 2 million's first single will be a hit no matter what.
I'm sorry, it's just not going to work like that. Ir's a guarantee at this point that all these artists singles will go top twenty/top ten on the Hot 100 when they are released digitally. Wow...so basically these days....EVERY song that gets released is a HIT! The word 'flop' is little by little not applying to any songs because fans think that spending one week in the top ten/top twenty with no longevity now equals a big hit. Sorry Charley.
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Post by Jeff on Jun 4, 2007 0:10:58 GMT -5
It's a hit. That's that.
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Post by JayBoozer on Jun 4, 2007 0:14:12 GMT -5
^what is that supposed to mean? There are hardly any arguments in Pink's threads and there is certainly not repetition. facts are posted and people reply. what does who i have in my avatar and signature have to do with anything? do you have ADD or something or some other disease you were forced by society to have contracted? ADD? nice personal attack, lol. I think he's just saying that there have been 4 threads of U + Ur Hand saying how much of a smash it is. Granted it was a sleeper hit and took a while to get to the top, but every thread just repeated the notion that everyone was so glad that it ended up doing so well .
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Post by realnewlight on Jun 4, 2007 0:18:15 GMT -5
Stating that as a fact makes me think your SN really applies to your opinion on this situation...but hey, that is your right.
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Post by Positive Tension on Jun 4, 2007 0:20:34 GMT -5
I'm glad that this song will have some longevity despite underperforming. It's selling pretty well.
I hope the second single is a smash, not just for the sake of helping out with album sales, but also for the fact that I want to hear "New Kelly" music on the radio for a change.
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Post by Jeff on Jun 4, 2007 0:22:07 GMT -5
Stating that as a fact makes me think your SN really applies to your opinion on this situation...but hey, that is your right. It's a hit. That's that.
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