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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Feb 8, 2009 3:45:30 GMT -5
i can't believe this song won't hit #1 at active rock, like 2 weeks ago it was almost sure that it will have at least a week at #1 but right now, i can't see it even peaking at #2
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Post by Ragin on Feb 8, 2009 11:50:31 GMT -5
Journey isn't rock, by any standard. Says the guy who considers CCR and The Beatles rock. Please, Neal Schon put together some of the greatest riffs and solos ever (yes, I said ever). You're just judging them on Steve Perry's vocals. The Beatles, Journey, and CCR were all rock during their time. I'm not discounting Neal Schon's prowess at guitar, just stating that Journey aren't rock, and never were. Even before Steve Perry joined them they were more of a jazz fusion band. There are a couple of Journey songs that rock a bit, but there is no getting away from the fact that they were studio-produced pop from Steve Perry onwards. Styx, a comparable band at least have Tommy shaw on their rock vocals getting away from the annoying Dennis. CCR were a blues southern influenced rock, not an arena band, and that's the category that I'm putting Nickelback in. No slick production plastic packaged bubblegum, but gritty rock. Nickelback did get away from that in this last album, but up until then....
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Post by pen on Feb 8, 2009 13:03:22 GMT -5
Even before Steve Perry joined them they were more of a jazz fusion band. What?
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Post by Ragin on Feb 8, 2009 16:40:34 GMT -5
Even before Steve Perry joined them they were more of a jazz fusion band. What? Yep. Have you heard any of their pre-Perry stuff? Mostly instrumental. You do know Schon came from Santana, right?
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 10, 2009 0:31:51 GMT -5
Dark Horse may just be one of the worst albums of all time.
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Post by pen on Feb 10, 2009 0:37:29 GMT -5
Dark Horse may just be one of the worst albums of all time. Oh. Okay.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 10, 2009 0:49:48 GMT -5
Says the guy who considers CCR and The Beatles rock. Please, Neal Schon put together some of the greatest riffs and solos ever (yes, I said ever). You're just judging them on Steve Perry's vocals. The Beatles, Journey, and CCR were all rock during their time. Journey aren't rock I'll just respectfully disagree
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 10, 2009 1:23:36 GMT -5
Dark Horse may just be one of the worst albums of all time. Oh. Okay. Is that an agreement, a disagreement, or neither?
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Post by pen on Feb 10, 2009 2:31:51 GMT -5
Is that an agreement, a disagreement, or neither? Sure.
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Post by Cody on Feb 10, 2009 7:18:51 GMT -5
Dark Horse may just be one of the worst best albums of all time.
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Post by Ragin on Feb 10, 2009 12:23:24 GMT -5
I'll just respectfully disagree That was a flashpoint statement. Let me say it another way, Journey isn't hard rock.
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 10, 2009 17:31:30 GMT -5
I'll just respectfully disagree That was a flashpoint statement. Let me say it another way, Journey isn't hard rock. Neither is CCR or The Beatles. Just saying
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Post by Ragin on Feb 11, 2009 7:49:35 GMT -5
That was a flashpoint statement. Let me say it another way, Journey isn't hard rock. Neither is CCR or The Beatles. Just saying Both CCR and the Beatles had hard rock songs, some that would even be considered that today. But you are right that overall they aren't considered that.
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Post by fran182 on Feb 25, 2009 17:12:55 GMT -5
Tomorrow, this will finally hit #1 on BB Mainstream Rock.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 25, 2009 19:15:46 GMT -5
Tomorrow, this will finally hit #1 on BB Mainstream Rock. It's also looking likely it will hit #1 on Mediabase's Active Rock chart, though mostly by default of Shinedown and Mudvayne's declines (I'm a bit surprised it stalled abruptly as it was soaring into the upper reaches of the chart, given "Second Chance" especially had already been in the Top Five for over two months before Nickelback reached it again themselves. Papa Roach and Metallica will likely compete fiercely for the next #1 (I can't see "Brother" reaching the summit given it's the lead single for a re-issue, while "Dead Memories" doesn't strike me as a destined chart-topper. "Hate My Life" I think, too, might be affected by the longevity of "Bad Girlfriend") Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 26, 2009 3:14:04 GMT -5
^"Hate My Life" also just sucks too much. "Dead Memories" sounds like a chart-topper, but I think Slipknot might be just too heavy of a metal band to score a #1 at active rock, but if anything could do it, this song sounds like the one.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 26, 2009 12:16:14 GMT -5
^"Hate My Life" also just sucks too much. "Dead Memories" sounds like a chart-topper, but I think Slipknot might be just too heavy of a metal band to score a #1 at active rock, but if anything could do it, this song sounds like the one. All three singles Theory Of A Deadman have released this era to Active Rock are just terrible. Especially their current one. They're basically riding Nickelback's success (of course they're signed to Chad Kroeger's label, so they often sound like cheap imitators of them also) but, along with Hinder, they're simply not going to have nearly as much staying power as Nickelback for the simple reason that Kroeger is much more polished and experienced in consistently delivering cohesive, melodic hooks than either Tyler Connolly or Austin Winkler are who, in contrast, are inconsistent in writing songs with mighty hooks, and even when they do, they lack the authority and muscle of Kroeger's vocals as lead singers. I may dislike "Something In Your Mouth" as well, but I can nonetheless see why it's a hit. You can tell Kroeger really raked a fine-tooth comb throughout this entire song before settling with a final product; he uses a form of scansion like that an English major student would in examining how the lines in a poem fit a meter. Internal rhyming? Check. Lyrics consistently flowing with respect to the rhythm? Check. Stand-out chorus? Check. So this may be one of Kroeger's more cringe-worthy lyrical moments, but nonetheless even on a song like this you can sense how cohesive and well-constructed the hook and melody are. I predicted in late 2007, in fact, that the success of Hinder's debut album would prove to be a fluke and their sophomore era would comparatively fall much shorter. That appears to be the case indeed, as "Without You" bombed as a mainstream release, and "Up All Night" is treading at a snail-like pace presently following up what would inevitably be a lead single smash "Use Me". * I agree this is arguably the most streamlined release Slipknot has put out thus far, but I do think it'll nonetheless fall short of #1. They're really not a singles band: they have succeeded in the most part on image I think. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by PHOBES on Feb 26, 2009 13:13:02 GMT -5
"If Today Was Your Last Day" was going for HAC adds not too long ago... "I'd Come for You" already has a video... And yet this is the song going for pop adds (March 17).
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Post by blurple on Feb 26, 2009 15:15:35 GMT -5
What's the next rumored single for Rock?
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Post by aTunes on Feb 26, 2009 15:50:23 GMT -5
Congrats to them on their first Main Rock #1 in 4 years. Song wise (not lyrically), couldn't have been a stronger song by them, imo. This should do wonders to really revive them at rock for the rest of this era. Now bring on Burn It to the Ground.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 26, 2009 17:47:01 GMT -5
"If Today Was Your Last Day" was going for HAC adds not too long ago... "I'd Come for You" already has a video... And yet this is the song going for pop adds (March 17). I've found, these last several years, that adds listings can be quite temperamental. I remember when "Figured You Out" was suddenly listed as "Going For Adds" for CHR/Pop shortly after "Because Of You" peaked on Active Rock during the "The Long Road" era, but the track never actually got the promotional push on the format (and rightfully so) I would just take adds listings as nothing more than a grain of salt. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 26, 2009 17:50:09 GMT -5
Congrats to them on their first Main Rock #1 in 4 years. Song wise (not lyrically), couldn't have been a stronger song by them, imo. This should do wonders to really revive them at rock for the rest of this era. Now bring on Burn It to the Ground. I think it's wiser they release "Just To Get High" next, followed by another raunchy rocker ("Shakin' Hands" is my pick) and then "Burn It To The Ground". Why? To keep a steady fluctuation between releases, both topically (sex, serious subject, sex, something other than just sex) and tonally (silly song, serious song, silly song, silly song that sounds serious somewhat) Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Mar 1, 2009 4:36:06 GMT -5
yes...i think Just to Get High is the best rock song of the album, and maybe their best rock song ever, they need to release that song at rock stations soon enough
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Mar 1, 2009 4:36:36 GMT -5
btw congrats for their 7th Mainstream Rock #1 hit
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Post by blurple on Mar 2, 2009 12:30:58 GMT -5
yes...i think Just to Get High is the best rock song of the album, and maybe their best rock song ever, they need to release that song at rock stations soon enough The theme/message of the song is amazing as well.
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Post by singingsparrow on Mar 2, 2009 20:09:59 GMT -5
yes...i think Just to Get High is the best rock song of the album, and maybe their best rock song ever, they need to release that song at rock stations soon enough The theme/message of the song is amazing as well. It's not quite as deep and stirring as, say, "Never Again" or "Throw Yourself Away", but I concur it's among Nickelback's stronger efforts lyrically. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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