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Post by imafan on May 10, 2009 20:34:43 GMT -5
One year ago today Carrie became a member of the Grand Ol Opry. It would be great if I Told You So made it to #1 on Billboard. But even if it doesn't, it is still a great song. I love that she released it as a single.
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Post by rowdawg21 on May 10, 2009 20:38:48 GMT -5
but Carrie is already has a negative bullet on Mediabase. i think this is done. And Montgomery Gentry had a negative bullet a couple days ago. Doesn't mean they're done. I'm not saying it's likely Carrie will rebound next week, but bullets are pretty much meaningless, as I've said countless times before.
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Post by joey2002 on May 10, 2009 21:09:27 GMT -5
but Carrie is already has a negative bullet on Mediabase. i think this is done. And Montgomery Gentry had a negative bullet a couple days ago. Doesn't mean they're done. I'm not saying it's likely Carrie will rebound next week, but bullets are pretty much meaningless, as I've said countless times before. Carrie has been consistently losing more & more spins this week, so sadly she is probably done climbing for the most part. That's an interesting point that all the major country countdowns (in my area at least) use the mediabase chart.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on May 10, 2009 21:18:01 GMT -5
Wait, who is #1 on the real time tracker now?
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 10, 2009 21:23:56 GMT -5
One thing that I don't think has been brought up is the possibility of Carrie getting to #1 after Sugarland (if Sugarland does get to #1 this week). Anything is possible, but it would also require "It Happens" to suddenly collapse when its run to the top has been marked by consistent and sizable gains without much external sign of a push from the label. I'm actually at something of a loss to explain it, because its download sales aren't great and the callout numbers, while solid, aren't amazing ("It Happens" is #11 when the songs are ranked by Positive Index and #12 when the songs are ranked by Total Positive, but #4 when the songs are ranked by Passion). The only thing I can think of is that radio programmers felt that the light-hearted feel and the message of the song were perfect for the workday doldrums, regardless of what overall callout might say. It just seems odd to me that a star of Carrie's stature should have to call stations and do interviews to get a song to number one, especially this song. Sure, It Happens is a good song and Sugarland is on fire right now but this is a GREAT song. They both should be #1's at some point either way. I could see Eric Church, Gloriana, Kelli Pickler, etc. working their butfs off to get a song moving but this just seems odd to me. It is a little surprising to me as well, especially in light of how well ITYS appears to have been received both by radio listeners and music buyers -- callout for the song has been excellent (#1 Passion for weeks, #1 in Positive Index, top-3 in Total Positive scores for weeks), and both album and download sales have been strong. But given the margin we appear to be looking at on Billboard/ Radio & Records (and for that matter, the Mediabase #1 won't be by that big a margin), it may come down to the decision-making of a few programmers who appear to prefer more contemporary-sounding material from Carrie, or who were looking for an uptempo/light-hearted cut from her after "Just a Dream," or maybe who wanted an original song from her rather than a cover. When ITYS was chosen as a single, I thought its chart run might be an interesting reflection of country radio. Would country radio take this to #1 as it seems to do for every single from every one of its core artists? If so, could this play into a pendulum swing back toward a more traditional country sound on country radio? Or would there be resistance to this song because of its more traditional feel (even though I think it sounded plenty contemporary)? Now, I'm not sure how to read its chart fortunes. After all, this didn't pull an "Invisibly Shaken" and miss the top-40 -- at worst, ITYS will be a Mediabase/Country Aircheck #1 and a Billboard/ R&R #2. But does the fact that ITYS had to fight for the top spot reflect country radio's decision to focus on contemporary fare (and if so, is that why the lead singles from Brad and Miranda's respective upcoming albums are their pop or pop-rockiest singles to date?)? Or is it merely the reflection of radio's love for "She's Country" (which also tested very well: #2 Passion, #5 Total Positive, #2 Positive Index, and seems to have generated solid download and album sales for Jason Aldean) and "It Happens" (callout scores already mentioned)? In principle, it's a good thing that a core country artist doesn't get an automatic pass to #1 on both charts, and it's a good thing that some radio stations opt out of centralized playlists and pick a song that they want to play instead of playing what they're told (as Zazie pointed out). But it's a bit weird that the automatic pass went away for this song when most indications are that the song was very well-received by radio listeners and music buyers. And if a few radio stations went against the grain because they didn't want to play a more traditional cut in an era when pop and pop-rock are already driving out traditional country from country radio, that doesn't strike me as particularly noble or iconoclastic. I imagine that any comments in this thread about the state of country radio will be at least somewhat amusing to those who have worried for years about traditional country getting shoved out from country radio (in no small part via artists like Carrie). I know I'm late to that train. But context matters, and the context I'm noticing now is Keith releasing a new album with his fewest nods to traditional country/country instrumentation yet, in addition to the aforementioned Brad and Miranda singles (not to mention the albums from Martina McBride, Sugarland and Taylor Swift). Maybe I'm overreaching, because Brad and Miranda could easily have more traditional-sounding fare on the rest of their respective albums. But those two in particular are red flags for me because they are two I would expect to represent more of a bridge between the traditional and the contemporary. But looking forward, with all that context and the relative struggle for ITYS (compared to the other singles from this album) as another data point, it seems like the pendulum swing back to traditional country that I've been expecting might be farther away than I had hoped. And I can't help but wonder if this will discourage Carrie and her label from recording/releasing more sparely produced/traditional-leaning fare on her subsequent albums. I certainly hope not, because I think that's the stuff that would showcase her best.
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Post by dfrogger on May 10, 2009 22:09:57 GMT -5
I think it should be pointed out that ITYS peaked higher than any of her other 4 #1 on CR(so it is not that this song did not do well)...timing and the field of other songs for the season it is in was off. jmo
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Post by sbp17 on May 10, 2009 22:24:33 GMT -5
I think it should be pointed out that ITYS peaked higher than any of her other 4 #1 on CR(so it is not that this song did not do well)...timing and the field of other songs for the season it is in was off. jmo Very true. I think everyone's reading too much into this. It was a fifth single, which also happened to be a cover of a ballad. I think the fact that it has done as well as it has speaks more to the fact that radio will eat up anything Carrie sings and not so much their reluctance to play "traditional" country.
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Post by cufan7 on May 10, 2009 22:43:24 GMT -5
I sure hope not! ITYS ended up being one of my favorites from Carrie!
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Post by jeff on May 10, 2009 22:55:38 GMT -5
I think it should be pointed out that ITYS peaked higher than any of her other 4 #1 on CR(so it is not that this song did not do well)...timing and the field of other songs for the season it is in was off. jmo Very true. I think everyone's reading too much into this. It was a fifth single, which also happened to be a cover of a ballad. I think the fact that it has done as well as it has speaks more to the fact that radio will eat up anything Carrie sings and not so much their reluctance to play "traditional" country. i am really hoping the reason is because its a 5th single, rather than the reluctance to play 'traditional' country.
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Post by Zazie on May 10, 2009 23:19:00 GMT -5
Sugarland heads up the RTT at a little after midnight. I think the race is over, and I'm not going to keep checking.
I'll have to see several more "traditional" songs underperforming, or possibly just one more if it falls way short of expectations, before I draw conclusions on such a large scale. This was a 5th single, also a cover song, and maybe its promotion was not quite up to par, and we can find other reasons (maybe a Billboard #1 is not seen as important now) this ran out of steam instead of posting the modest gain necessary to accomplish the dual #1's.
Country radio might be shying away from traditional songs, but I just found out that, this summer, within half a mile of my house, I can hear Merle Haggard, John Anderson, Randy Travis, and Josh Turner. So I can find traditional country music easily. If radio doesn't feel able to give me even a small amount of it, that's too bad.
By the way, even if it did work against ITYS, I much prefer a world in which stations play what they want to, not one in which every station plays all the hits just because they're hits. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Post by joey2002 on May 10, 2009 23:49:46 GMT -5
Personally, I think that we eventually will see different types of country stations. There will probably be both classic country type stations along with modern country type stations -- similar to what we have now with classic rock, light rock, modern rock etc...
"I Told You So" has now even lost the #1 spot on Mediabase.
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 11, 2009 10:00:51 GMT -5
Chart highlights are out and it's official-- ITYS missed #1 on Billboard/ R&R. And so it continues that no solo female has reached #1 yet on the Billboard chart year so far. Carrie and Taylor are the only solo females who have been able to reach #1 on Billboard Hot Country Songs since 2006 and they both fell short in their latest attempts... incidentally with singles, which IMO, are among their best.
(I'd also like to give special mention to Sugarland's "Stay" as another song which reached #1 on Mediabase/ CA/ USA Today but peaked at #2 on BB/R&R as another one which I thought was particularly good but got blocked. No relation to my first paragraph really, but... oh well.)
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Post by Wrecking Ball on May 11, 2009 10:25:25 GMT -5
:( I was hoping it would go number 1 :(
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Post by robrt30 on May 11, 2009 10:27:58 GMT -5
Very true. I think everyone's reading too much into this. It was a fifth single, which also happened to be a cover of a ballad. I think the fact that it has done as well as it has speaks more to the fact that radio will eat up anything Carrie sings and not so much their reluctance to play "traditional" country. I agree. As others have pointed out, ITYS was the highest peaking song (in terms of audience) of any single on CR. It just got caught in the midst of two other strong singles (Jason Aldean, Sugarland). "Don't Forget To Remember Me" had a similar problem as it got caught in the midst of two other strong singles as well ("Summertime" and "The World"). You can't win 'em all. Sometimes even your strongest effort won't be good enough. We can play the "what if" game all we want.... If a few stations would've played ITYS instead of The More Boys I Meet, yeah, that probably would've made the difference.... Did some competing stations retaliate when Carrie did an interview with their competing station and not theirs? Take Pittsburgh, for instance. Carrie did an interview on WDSY. They kept ITYS at #1 for the week on their playlist (57 spins this week, 56 last week) while keeping Sugarland steady at #4 (55 spins this week, 55 last week). Competing station WOGI dropped ITYS down from 52 spins to 47 spins (#4 on their panel) while also jumping Sugarland up to 49 spins from 38 spins (#1 on their panel). Was that retaliation or was it just songs naturally running their course? (Note that these are Mediabase numbers through this morning...I don't know if these two stations report to the Billboard panel or not). Since we're splitting hairs here, any small change could've made a difference. But that's how the "what if" game goes. Sometimes it works to your advantage and you win by a nose. Sometimes it works against you and you fall a tad short. ITYS still had a great run, regardless of the peak chart position next to its name.
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Post by Marv on May 11, 2009 10:38:54 GMT -5
The fact that this is the fifth single is irrelevant; I'd like to know where that indefensible excuse came from.
Very few country CDs have had five or more singles to begin with, thanks to the generosity of some artists (with Tim McGraw being country's gold standard in that regard over the past dozen years), in placing more than ten new songs on a single CD, thanks to far too many label execs who continue to be indefensibly addicted to the totally arbitrary 10-songs-per-CD mandate which has plagued the record industry for ages.
Talk about really dumb ideas and self-defeating practices......
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 11, 2009 10:45:14 GMT -5
Somehow I missed that post from the wise sbp (Sorry, sbp! :) ) in my attempt to catch up on this thread. Very good point! Same with robrt30, dfrogger and many others. The discussion in here has been pretty good over-all, I think. Very interesting views. Sappy and pointless as it may seem, I just want to thank everyone. I always enjoy good discussions. I've come to expect such from Pulse, but there are times when they seem to be in short supply, for which I also take my small part of the blame.
Also, on a completely useless note, when all is said and done, the number of views for this thread may actually surpass that for the "Billboard Projection" thread. Gasp!
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Post by Jonsolo on May 11, 2009 11:00:39 GMT -5
With the Chart Highlights out, I guess I also am compelled to join rowdawg and Zazie and say that I was wrong in thinking that ITYS would easily make it to #1 this week. I did add that caveat to one of my posts last week, that it would take an inept promoting performance by Arista to keep ITYS out of #1, and inept is what we got. How you let such a golden opportunity pass by, with a 1.6 mill lead on the main competition the previous week (and a song that's only 17 weeks old, not yet that "old" for a superstar) is beyond my comprehension.
I think it's silly to use the #2 peak of this song as evidence of an indictment of country radio in general not playing enough "traditional country". It looks like only a couple of stations failed to play the song as much as they "should have", and there's always going to be "strange" fluctuations when you have 120+ radio stations.
The label can boast of the #1 on Aircheck, so they don't consider it a failure at all. But even if it topped out at "only" #5 or so on the charts, there's no way that that would "scare" Carrie and company from ever again recording/releasing a song so traditional-sounding. Unless it was a complete flop, they would have continued on the same path in their future song recordings/releases that they would have as if it was a #1 on Billboard.
This issue is a good news/bad news result for me. First, it's never good to be proven wrong when putting forth a prediction that you're "sure" about. At least it only ate away at some of the "political capital" that I generated from my correct prognosis with what was going to happen with the White Horse/River Of Love showdown. And the chart always offers you future opportunities, to go out and make tons of proclamations and predictions, that if a few come true, make you look like a genius.
But it's good to see the "golden boys", or in this case, "girl", be brought down to earth every now and then, and not have #1s automatically stamped on everything that Carrie and Taylor release (since basically the same thing happened to White Horse). Makes it look like they have to actually work for some of those previous and future #1s. And when you have a fanbase so large, rabid, and, well, "loud", as those two fanbases are, there can be a lot of entertainment value gathered from seeing them get disappointed every now and then. It reminds me to keep some perspective when rooting for songs that I like. And it also makes me feel good that I'm never been so over-the-top fanatical in my devotion to some of my favorite artists, especially Strait.
But, for more bad news, I do like seeing chart stats and streaks get accumulated, as I enjoy making comparisions to stats in the past. "Five #1s on one album" is a prestigious accomplishment, and I was looking forward to someone else tie the mark set by Rodney Crowell, and also Paisley-with-an-asterisk (of course, with almost each week giving us a new #1, and a pace of 30+ #1s for the year, there should be other artists, including Carrie, that get a crack at that "five #1s" accomplishment in the future).
Finally, I was really looking forward to seeing Randy Travis get another #1, his first in six years since Three Wooden Crosses. He doesn't get many chances to add to his chart stats these days, and this appeared to be a golden opportunity when he hitched his trailer onto a current superstar. He needs to get on the phone pronto, and offer his vocals to Taylor in a cover of Forever And Ever Amen, or to Sugarland for a cover of On The Other Hand...
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Post by joey2002 on May 11, 2009 11:11:36 GMT -5
it would take an inept promoting performance by Arista to keep ITYS out of #1, and inept is what we got. To me, that is exactly what's so frustrating and odd about what happened. It almost seems like they were content with just the #1 on Mediabase.
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 11, 2009 11:26:43 GMT -5
You have enough capital saved up for at least 3 more erroneous predictions, Jon ;) However, I do have to comment on this: But it's good to see the "golden boys", or in this case, "girl", be brought down to earth every now and then, and not have #1s automatically stamped on everything that Carrie and Taylor release (since basically the same thing happened to White Horse). Makes it look like they have to actually work for some of those previous and future #1s. I don't think Carrie and Taylor have the automatic-#1-without-working-for-it thing going for them. Carrie has done radio interviews for every single she's had, in sickness and in health, to help work them to #1. I don't see Kenny or Brad or George doing that. As for Taylor, I'm not as up-to-date with her promo work stuff, but she also comes across as working her ass off to me. Plus, I just checked her Billboard chart history a few hours ago and was surprised to see she's only had 3 country #1s. So, it's definitely not automatic for her. As Reba and Carrie have said, the girls have to work harder... and they do. That's just the way things are. Nothing's automatic, that's for sure. (Plus, I'm not particularly a fan of the "good to see [insert whoever] brought down to earth" sentiment. It just sets off something in my crazy head ;) )
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 11, 2009 11:37:09 GMT -5
I agree. As others have pointed out, ITYS was the highest peaking song (in terms of audience) of any single on CR. Stupid question time. Were the Billboard and Mediabase panels the same size during the ITYS run as they were during the runs of the previous singles from Carnival Ride? I'm thinking there weren't any BDS panel changes, but didn't the Mediabase panel grow? I think it's silly to use the #2 peak of this song as evidence of an indictment of country radio in general not playing enough "traditional country". In a vacuum, yes. That's why I think it is worth watching what some of country music's other current standard-bearers are releasing. That said, I also don't think that Carrie's studio version of ITYS is all that traditional-sounding. The fact that this is the fifth single is irrelevant; I'd like to know where that indefensible excuse came from. I think the logic would be that as the fifth and final single of an album that has more or less completed its run, the label might not be inclined to fight for a particular chart peak as it would an earlier single that might drive more sales. But I actually don't think that was the case here. Maybe it's just me, but I actually thought Carrie/label fought for ITYS harder than any other from the album (heck, the label actually stuck a premature fork in "All-American Girl"'s run by releasing "Last Name" while A-AG was still gaining audience on both the BB and MB charts so that Alan Jackson's "Small Town Southern Man" could take over #1). I don't remember seeing Aircheck ads for any other Carnival Ride single, and the reminders in the ads about downloads and callout suggest to me they were fighting some resistance at radio. I also don't remember Carrie doing this many interviews behind any other CR single, excepting "So Small," and those interviews doubled as album promotion. It seems to me that the promotion not resulting in a #1 Billboard/ R&R peak was a matter of timing. Carrie had her trip to Angola scheduled for the week that ITYS had its best chance at a Billboard/ R&R #1. So the interviews were 1-2 weeks earlier than they needed. So it goes. It's not a big deal, although I'm still bummed because it would've been nice to see some chart history made. And I also agree with leilamaurizia's point above -- the format's core male artists do seem to have it a good deal easier -- their songs don't have to generate as much positive callout or sell downloads or albums in the same quantity as the females, nor do they have to do interviews to the same extent, to sail up to #1.
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Post by Jonsolo on May 11, 2009 12:09:15 GMT -5
You have enough capital saved up for at least 3 more erroneous predictions, Jon ;) However, I do have to comment on this: But it's good to see the "golden boys", or in this case, "girl", be brought down to earth every now and then, and not have #1s automatically stamped on everything that Carrie and Taylor release (since basically the same thing happened to White Horse). Makes it look like they have to actually work for some of those previous and future #1s. I don't think Carrie and Taylor have the automatic-#1-without-working-for-it thing going for them. Carrie has done radio interviews for every single she's had, in sickness and in health, to help work them to #1. I don't see Kenny or Brad or George doing that. As for Taylor, I'm not as up-to-date with her promo work stuff, but she also comes across as working her ass off to me. Plus, I just checked her Billboard chart history a few hours ago and was surprised to see she's only had 3 country #1s. So, it's definitely not automatic for her. As Reba and Carrie have said, the girls have to work harder... and they do. That's just the way things are. Nothing's automatic, that's for sure. (Plus, I'm not particularly a fan of the "good to see [insert whoever] brought down to earth" sentiment. It just sets off something in my crazy head ;) ) Hey, I know I've seen you post before, after an erroneous prediction of mine, that "it was good to see Jonsolo be brought down to earth".....! Looking back, I didn't need to include Taylor in that section that you noted. And I was mainly focusing those comments on the chart stats that Carrie has posted, of previously having eight Billboard top 10 songs, and seven of those going to #1, a "ridiculously" high 88% success rate. Most other star artists have percentages for that stat in the 45 to 60% range. Those "results" were what I was referring to, in saying that "#1s are automatic" for Carrie. I was choosing to ignore any work that's actually done for each of those successes, as I can't be bothered to spend time considering pesky facts and evidence! I'm a busy man! Time to go check out eBay...
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Post by jenglisbe on May 11, 2009 12:17:02 GMT -5
it would take an inept promoting performance by Arista to keep ITYS out of #1, and inept is what we got. To me, that is exactly what's so frustrating and odd about what happened. It almost seems like they were content with just the #1 on Mediabase. Considering all the promotion that took place over the past two weeks, were they really inept? I think they aimed for a #1 last charted but got edged out by Aldean. Then there wasn't much left for this week. Regardless, I'd hate for the song to have gone to #1 simply because of label promotion. If "IH" can get to #1 with no real promotion, then it deserves it.
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 11, 2009 12:18:44 GMT -5
edited to clarify which post I'm replying to...(for Jonsolo) Hee! June's coming!! You better be on your game with those stats, dude! Pssh, nah, I'm not excited at all... Makes me kinda hope that "The More Boys I Meet" re-enters the chart for more points. Who knew point-watching without any ball involved could be so darn fun?
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Post by jenglisbe on May 11, 2009 12:21:24 GMT -5
Well, I'm confused... since it did peak at #1 on mediabase is this considered a #1 or not??Country countdown shows that use mediabase for their chart rankings like Lon Helton's & The Foxworthy Countdown will be playing ITYS as their number one single in a couple of weeks while the Kix Brooks show & Wikipedia's Artist Discography will only have it peak at #2 since they use Billboard for their charts. ??? Wikipedia is essentially a fan-run siate, so I don't think there is a point in mentioning it. You could go there now and edit her Mediabase picks in. Billboard is the general music chart sources respect. When people talk of "#1 hits" and all, the standard bearer is the Hot 100 courtesy of Billboard. The same is true of album stats. Because of that, the Billboard country chart is probably the most respected in general (i.e. all music circles). As has been pointed out, though, many country countdowns use the R&R chart where "ITYS" is #1. So, in country circles, that chart is probably just as big/important. The real answer is that there isn't a direct answer. In terms of her #1s, there will always be a question. Some sources will use Billboard, some will use R&R/Mediabase. There's no definitive answer to your question. And I was mainly focusing those comments on the chart stats that Carrie has posted, of previously having eight Billboard top 10 songs, and seven of those going to #1, a "ridiculously" high 88% success rate. Most other star artists have percentages for that stat in the 45 to 60% range. But aren't most of those artists people who have been around awhile? Carrie is finishing out CD #2. If you look at stats for other artists who started out strong, their % was probably higher early on than it is now. Look at Keith Urban for an example. 7 out of his first 11 singles went to #1 (starting from "Your Everything"). Now 'only' 2 of his last 8 singles have gone to #1. I don't know if that's typical, but I think it makes sense that someone with fewer singles would have a better percentage. Tim, Faith, etc. have had their percentage of #1s decline the more music they released.
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Post by mairy on May 11, 2009 12:24:17 GMT -5
A lot of talking here... I'll just cry a little bit :'(
And well, a week ago today you were al thinking Jason was the problem I think I was the only one predicting it will be Sugarland... So, let me say.... I told you so :)
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 11, 2009 12:29:54 GMT -5
Hmm, I made a reply to northtexas earlier, but lost it. However, I'd just like to clarify something in your post, jenglisbe. Billboard and Radio & Records both use Nielsen BDS now so they'll have exactly the same chart. It's Country Aircheck (and USA Today) that now use Mediabase. Regardless, the country music industry officially recognizes #1s from either BB/R&R and/or Mediabase/ Country Aircheck. So a press release for ITYS going #1 is to be expected, Carrie and Randy will have their #1 party, Carrie will be lauded as having 9 consecutive #1 country singles and 10 #1 songs over-all, so on and so forth.
However, as you said, the people who only recognize Billboard will just see a #2 peak.
Also, the country music industry is a different animal from other genres. So, just as it's different in that it refers to 2 "branches" for it's #1s, it also very rarely refers to the Hot 100, nor does it consider the Hot 100 as the "standard-bearer for #1 hits."
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Post by Jonsolo on May 11, 2009 12:32:01 GMT -5
edited to clarify which post I'm replying to...(for Jonsolo) Hee! June's coming!! You better be on your game with those stats, dude! Pssh, nah, I'm not excited at all... Makes me kinda hope that "The More Boys I Meet" re-enters the chart for more points. Who knew point-watching without any ball involved could be so darn fun? Just in case anyone is puzzled as to what leila is talking about here, she is referring to my planned "mid-year" update of how Joel Whitburn's Top Artists points list will look (the Artist list that was at the back of Joel's Top Country Songs book, of which the latest edition came out last winter). I still have that Whitburn thread of mine, a few pages back, and will be updating it with comments on where the "active" artists have moved during the first six months of this year. For halfway, that would be through the 6/27/09 chart, only five weeks away now. So I'll probably shoot to update that thread shortly after Wednesday, June 17th, when that 6/27/09 chart is released. For Carrie, it's not like she really needed a #1 out of ITYS. She's moving lightning fast enough on that list, and a two-week #2 song only gives her five less points than what one week at #1 with ITYS would have provided (120 to 115, assuming 20 week runs for both scenarios).
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Post by northtexas on May 11, 2009 12:37:45 GMT -5
Hmm, I made a reply to northtexas earlier, but lost it. However, I'd just like to clarify something in your post, jenglisbe. Billboard and Radio & Records both use Nielsen BDS now so they'll have exactly the same chart. It's Country Aircheck (and USA Today) that now use Mediabase. Regardless, the country music industry officially recognizes #1s from either BB/R&R and/or Mediabase/ Country Aircheck. So a press release for ITYS going #1 is to be expected, Carrie and Randy will have their #1 party, Carrie will be lauded as having 9 consecutive #1 country singles and 10 #1 songs over-all, so on and so forth. However, as you said, the people who only recognize Billboard will just see a #2 peak Well, looking at the latest Mediabase chart I'm not sure ITYS even made it to #1. If I'm interpreting it correctly ITYS peaked at #1 last week but finished at #2? That's why I deleted my previous post since I'm now not sure if it will be #1 on the country countdown shows that use mediabase for their charts. www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insideradio/charts.asp?format=11&showyear=y&dpt=n
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leilamaurizia
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 11, 2009 12:44:49 GMT -5
The Mediabase chart runs from Sunday to Saturday. Thus, the afternoon update to the Sunday chart (which reflects the Saturday airplay and takes out songs that went recurrent) is the final chart for the week. ITYS was #1 on that afternoon update so yes, it reached #1. You can see the official chart for the week on Country Aircheck which should be out soon, if it's not out already.
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Post by what on May 11, 2009 12:49:26 GMT -5
i think this is just radio programmers playng what they want and not an indication of anything the audience want from carrie. i cant remember much of the cause-and-effect of carrie's album sales to single releases, but iirc, itys was the single that actually increased the sales of cr, which is amazing bec cr is already around the 4-digit sales after just a dream and was ready to die a slow death. it could also be coupled with carrie's tv appearances recently, but that could only hold up as much. the fact that cr sales has trended around 15k or so when itys was climbing up the charts is a very good sign for me, that the audience do want to hear carrie on traditional songs bec she sounds the best on it. and its not like this song peaked outside the top 10 for her and her label to be discouraged to release traditional songs in the future. it did hit #1, just on another chart, which is still recognized. i really just think that the timing was off, that's all. and on another viewpoint, im not really complaining that carrie "worked hard" for this single due to her radio interviews. its a bonus - i got to hear carrie a ton of times talking about different stuff! its awesome!
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