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Post by mairy on May 12, 2009 11:57:11 GMT -5
Anyway, according to Billboard chart, all her first nine singles were Top2. Who else can say that? Ha!
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Post by Carriefan1190 on May 12, 2009 14:15:22 GMT -5
As disappointed as I am that ITYS didn't hit #1, all of her singles hitting the top 2 is amazing.
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Post by northtexas on May 12, 2009 15:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by dcowboy77 on May 12, 2009 17:31:48 GMT -5
shes not even top 30 on the urban chart.
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Post by Diablo Cody™ on May 13, 2009 6:54:03 GMT -5
What's her next single?
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Post by carriefan0209 on May 13, 2009 8:57:31 GMT -5
I think in their disappointment, people are forgetting that ITYS is one of the rare covers to make it to #1 on any chart. This song had so many factors working against it - a ballad following a ballad, it being a famous cover, and it being her 5th single (although I think this barely affected the progress), that its amazing it peaked where it did.
Congrats Carrie!
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 13, 2009 10:44:46 GMT -5
but iirc, itys was the single that actually increased the sales of cr As I've said before, this is misleading. CR increased in sales because Carrie had 3 high-profile appearances - ACMs, AI, and Oprah - within a matter of weeks. Take those appearances out, and her sales wouldn't have increased like they did. You can't really credit "ITYS" for that. I agree that you can't discount the three high-profile appearances (and it is also worth mentioning that Carrie performed songs from CR at both the People's Choice Awards and the Grammy Awards). But I don't think we can completely discount the significance of ITYS being a single. We can only speculate as to how much of an impact it did make. But I think there's evidence that ITYS itself was a sales driver. For example, it was during ITYS' run (just as it was approaching the top-10) that Carnival Ride returned to the top-5 on the Billboard Country Albums chart for a seven-week stay that started the week before Carrie and Randy's AI performance. I think it is notable that during ITYS's run, CR has actually been outselling Sugarland's Love on the Inside (which was released nearly ten months later) on a weekly basis, which wasn't the case prior to mid-March. I point this out -not- to spark any kind of battle -- the only reasons I'm making the comparison are that Sugarland also performed on both Oprah and the ACMs (though not AI) and that, as we well know, "It Happens" was getting comparable airplay to ITYS. In any case, now that ITYS is done, I expect CR to fade and for Zac Brown Band, Darius and Sugarland to make their way back up the Country Albums chart ( Foundation is already back ahead of CR on this week's album chart). Unless something changes, Carrie's next single looks to be the lead single from her third album. I don't believe there are plans to release any more singles from Carnival Ride.
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Post by pipi on May 13, 2009 15:41:37 GMT -5
uh... DFTRM was not a #1 hit. Carrie has had 6 #1s in a row In your rush to correct me, did you actually bother to read my post? Not that it matters around here. Everybody wants to post, but nobody wants to read other posts. It's really OK, because if you had read it, you wouldn't have understood it anyway. well in that case your post made no sense. so of course I 'misunderstood' it. Next time stop trying to be sarcastic cos you fail badly.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 13, 2009 15:45:08 GMT -5
In your rush to correct me, did you actually bother to read my post? Not that it matters around here. Everybody wants to post, but nobody wants to read other posts. It's really OK, because if you had read it, you wouldn't have understood it anyway. well in that case your post made no sense. so of course I 'misunderstood' it. Next time stop trying to be sarcastic cos you fail badly. Enough with the personal back & forth. The admins will settle this.
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Post by Jonsolo on May 13, 2009 15:49:40 GMT -5
In your rush to correct me, did you actually bother to read my post? Not that it matters around here. Everybody wants to post, but nobody wants to read other posts. It's really OK, because if you had read it, you wouldn't have understood it anyway. well in that case your post made no sense. so of course I 'misunderstood' it. Next time stop trying to be sarcastic cos you fail badly. Actually, Zazie would be the first to assert that he fails quite well, thank you very much! Sorry, dudley...!
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Post by joey2002 on May 13, 2009 16:29:12 GMT -5
Anyway, according to Billboard chart, all her first nine singles were Top2. Who else can say that? Ha! That's a good question...does anybody know if this has been done before?
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on May 13, 2009 17:49:27 GMT -5
That's four times in three months that a #2 has gotten screwed out of #1 by another song jumping over it at the last second. What gives?
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Post by dcowboy77 on May 13, 2009 19:24:28 GMT -5
Anyway, according to Billboard chart, all her first nine singles were Top2. Who else can say that? Ha! That's a good question...does anybody know if this has been done before? It never has.
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Post by Zazie on May 13, 2009 21:49:11 GMT -5
Closest I've found is the run by the Judds -- their first song peaked at #17 but then they had 8 straight #1's, a #10, then 7 more that at least reached #2. 15 of their first 17 chart hits were top 2 or better, with 14 of them reaching #1.
However, that isn't a match for Carrie's run, since she didn't need a warmup song before she got going.
Brooks & Dunn started with 4 #1's in a row, missed the top 2 twice, then hit the top 2 with their next 5. So that's 9 for 11, not up to Carrie's standard. Clint Black started with 4 #1's in a row but he couldn't keep that streak going.
Darius Rucker and Zac Brown Band are going in the right direction, but they're a long way from matching Carrie.
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Post by tsharky on May 13, 2009 22:08:56 GMT -5
I am going to go crazy waiting months for the new single. lol I hope it is released in July instead of August, etc. lol
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Post by Marv on May 14, 2009 0:05:47 GMT -5
Weren't the Judds the last female artists to have the #1 single of the year back in the early nineties?
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Post by joey2002 on May 14, 2009 1:57:00 GMT -5
Closest I've found is the run by the Judds -- their first song peaked at #17 but then they had 8 straight #1's, a #10, then 7 more that at least reached #2. 15 of their first 17 chart hits were top 2 or better, with 14 of them reaching #1. However, that isn't a match for Carrie's run, since she didn't need a warmup song before she got going. Brooks & Dunn started with 4 #1's in a row, missed the top 2 twice, then hit the top 2 with their next 5. So that's 9 for 11, not up to Carrie's standard. Clint Black started with 4 #1's in a row but he couldn't keep that streak going. Darius Rucker and Zac Brown Band are going in the right direction, but they're a long way from matching Carrie. Thanks for the chart history Zazie -- very interesting!!! I didn't realize how many top hits the Judds started off with.
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Post by Zazie on May 14, 2009 7:53:24 GMT -5
Closest I've found is the run by the Judds -- their first song peaked at #17 but then they had 8 straight #1's, a #10, then 7 more that at least reached #2. 15 of their first 17 chart hits were top 2 or better, with 14 of them reaching #1. However, that isn't a match for Carrie's run, since she didn't need a warmup song before she got going. Brooks & Dunn started with 4 #1's in a row, missed the top 2 twice, then hit the top 2 with their next 5. So that's 9 for 11, not up to Carrie's standard. Clint Black started with 4 #1's in a row but he couldn't keep that streak going. Darius Rucker and Zac Brown Band are going in the right direction, but they're a long way from matching Carrie. Thanks for the chart history Zazie -- very interesting!!! I didn't realize how many top hits the Judds started off with. Those darn traditionalist Judds! Think how well they would have done if they'd discovered contemporary pop country instead of those boring vocals and weak arrangements. Of course I liked them as they were, but they coulda been stars! I'll be serious for a paragraph: they had their biggest chart success from 1984-89, while Randy Travis had his peak years (with at least one song hitting #1 every year) from 1986-1994. They may not have sung with Randy, but they were contemporaries of his. Along with Ricky Skaggs (slightly earlier) and Keith Whitley (slightly later), they were having #1 success while going against the grain of pop country.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on May 14, 2009 11:33:57 GMT -5
Weren't the Judds the last female artists to have the #1 single of the year back in the early nineties? Close. It was Wynonna's "I Saw the Light", which somehow beat out "Achy Breaky Heart" to be the #1 country single of 1992.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 15, 2009 10:12:38 GMT -5
I'll be serious for a paragraph: they had their biggest chart success from 1984-89, while Randy Travis had his peak years (with at least one song hitting #1 every year) from 1986-1994. They may not have sung with Randy, but they were contemporaries of his. Along with Ricky Skaggs (slightly earlier) and Keith Whitley (slightly later), they were having #1 success while going against the grain of pop country. Wait, this pop-country stuff dates back to the mid-80s? The way people in the industry talk, it makes it seem like something new. So, really, this same debate over traditional country and pop country has been going on for at least 30 years.
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Post by joey2002 on May 15, 2009 12:41:34 GMT -5
That was before my time, so I'm not really sure when it first started. I know that Brad Paisley said a while back that country music has always had trends back and forth. Actually if you look at the top of the charts during the past decade, you can really see it. (for example: years of shania & faith -> years of gretchen wlson -> to years of carrie & taylor)
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Post by Zazie on May 15, 2009 22:42:05 GMT -5
At least 30 years, yes. I can vouch for 40 years or so of battling. When you get back to the 1950's, though, you're before my time so I can't testify to a 50-year conflict.
When Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson, Sammi Smith, and others rebelled against pop country and endless string arrangements, that was a real conflict. You had Merle Haggard on one hand, you had Kenny Rogers on the other. Always a struggle.
And there were good pop-country songs, too, as well as bad "traditional" ones. I'm not saying traditional always means good.
I'm sure this back-and-forth will continue for a long time.
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Post by lullaby on May 16, 2009 3:27:56 GMT -5
Probably better here than in the album thread due to the relevance of the country forum It appears carrie has some country royalty that likes her - from the queen herself Q: What do you think about the state of country music in 2009? Are there any young artists whose work you're enjoying? A: I like Carrie Underwood. I don't think she's as country as me, but I don't expect that. Today's country is not as country as me. www.pnj.com/article/20090515/ENTERTAINMENT/905150311/Woman+enough+to+take+ANY+man
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Post by pipi on May 16, 2009 6:13:20 GMT -5
^ Wow, that is amazing, coming from Loretta Lynn, the biggest legend of all!!!
I also think its time that Carrie released her 'Come On Over' an international smash album that tears down all the barriers. Leading it with a BHC style powerhouse vocal punchdown!
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on May 16, 2009 13:32:32 GMT -5
At least 30 years, yes. I can vouch for 40 years or so of battling. When you get back to the 1950's, though, you're before my time so I can't testify to a 50-year conflict. When Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson, Sammi Smith, and others rebelled against pop country and endless string arrangements, that was a real conflict. You had Merle Haggard on one hand, you had Kenny Rogers on the other. Always a struggle. And there were good pop-country songs, too, as well as bad "traditional" ones. I'm not saying traditional always means good. I'm sure this back-and-forth will continue for a long time. I agree with you, Zazie, although I had to look up Sammi Smith on Wikipedia. (And let me tell you, her article sucks. So do almost all the other country music articles, really.) I'm only 22 and I knew that the country vs. pop argument was at least as old as countrypolitan, if not older. Personally, I don't care that much about genre boundaries. I just classify music by whether I like it or not. Zazie makes a good argument indeed — there's good pop-country, and bad traditional country, and everything in between. I've even found a couple rap and metal songs that aren't bad, for crying out loud.
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Post by RobbyFlorida on May 16, 2009 13:43:33 GMT -5
I'm confused according to R&R and Billboard this song peaked atg #2 but the media outlets such as Fox and AfterMidnite are saying that it went #1 and made history for a debut artists to have 10 straight#1's every single she released 5 from each album the debut and the sophomore
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Post by dcowboy77 on May 16, 2009 13:44:43 GMT -5
I'm confused according to R&R and Billboard this song peaked atg #2 but the media outlets such as Fox and AfterMidnite are saying that it went #1 and made history for a debut artists to have 10 straight#1's every single she released 5 from each album read previous pages in this thread.
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Post by RobbyFlorida on May 16, 2009 14:28:27 GMT -5
I'm confused according to R&R and Billboard this song peaked atg #2 but the media outlets such as Fox and AfterMidnite are saying that it went #1 and made history for a debut artists to have 10 straight#1's every single she released 5 from each album read previous pages in this thread. thank you dcowboy, now after reading the pages I must interject the hyprocipsy of some of these posters regarding the validity of a #1. It seems to me that the majority has called this song and other examples where songs didn't go #1 on Billboard #1 based on Mediabase/airplay. Which is fine. However, I do remember a big controversy back in 2005 when Reba #1's came out and there were 33 tracks on it plus the 2 new tracks. and the big hoopla was over the fact that she only had 22 #1's according to Billboard not 33. and How dare she use other charts other than Billboard. If that is true and Billboard is the Valid #1 as it was so emphasized at the time so be it. But I find it hyprocryptical that now for another person the attitude changes it is one or the other not changing according to a certain person. It's one way or another can't have both ways!
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Post by Zazie on May 16, 2009 14:42:04 GMT -5
This would be so easy if people just used adjectives. I have checked the Pulse rules and adjectives are not banned. For example:
Carrie Underwood has had 7 songs reach #1 on the Billboard country chart.
I put the clarifying adjectives in bold. You can't argue with that; it's verifiable fact. Either she's had 6, or 7, or 8, and you can look it up; but the only places to look it up are in the Billboard country chart archives or Joel Whitburn's books or Jonsolo's memory (if available).
For those of us who consider Billboard's country chart the only historical record, we can say so. For people who want to count MB/Aircheck, or Billboard non-country, or what their cousin Irene has tabulated on her blog, they can explain what they're looking at, using words.
Adjectives. Can't live without 'em. Nouns are pretty cool too, and even verbs have their defenders. This is not about hypocrisy. This is about the English language, which makes distinctions possible.
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Post by joey2002 on May 16, 2009 15:01:33 GMT -5
This the only places to look it up are in the Billboard country chart archives or Joel Whitburn's books or Jonsolo's memory (if available). For those of us who consider Billboard's country chart the only historical record, we can say so. For people who want to count MB/Aircheck, or Billboard non-country, or what their cousin Irene has tabulated on her blog, they can explain what they're looking at, using words. Once again, another great post Zazie!!! I find Jonsolo's memory to be the most reliable source...hahaha. Rob -- like Zazie said, it's not about hypocrisy. Everybody has a different opinion, and we could argue all day about which chart is more valid -- so lets not even go there. These are the facts -- the official numbers that nobody can argue with: Mediabase/Country Aircheck chart: (9) #1 singles
Billboard/R&R country chart: (7) #1 singles and (2) #2 singles Whichever chart floats your boat, then so be it...but obviously the record label and many fans for any artist will be inclined to use the higher numbers, regardless of the chart. (it's just human nature -- this is true for any records kept -- sports, music, etc...) EDIT: I probably said too much...but I really don't want to start an argument about this, because it is just a matter of opinions.
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