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Post by John77 on Feb 9, 2008 12:46:24 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 9, 2008 12:51:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it wasn't a great song. Definitely not as good as 'We Belong Together'. Personally, I think I liked 'It's Like That' the most as far as singles from Mimi went. LOL! I was sad that it peaked at #17 or wherever it was. lol!
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Post by John77 on Feb 9, 2008 12:55:01 GMT -5
Yeah, it wasn't a great song. Definitely not as good as 'We Belong Together'. Personally, I think I liked 'It's Like That' the most as far as singles from Mimi went. LOL! I was sad that it peaked at #17 or wherever it was. lol! If they had released "It's Like That" after WBT, it would have done a ton better (and yes, it did peak at #17)... More than anything, since Mariah had been down for so long, I don't think programmers were expecting anything from her on the magnitude of WBT so ILT kind of suffered as a result.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 9, 2008 13:01:00 GMT -5
Yeah can't remember the last time I heard Fantasy on the radio (or Hero) but maybe it's just a regional thing lol Well, KBIG and KOST both play "Fantasy" here... Yeah it must be that female pop singer thing that's just not popular in the Southeast (Mariah, Christina's ballads, Kelly Clarkson's first ballads, etc.)...thought it was cause CHRs down here have more male listeners, but seems to be true on AC also so not sure if it's musical taste or if AC has more male listeners down here also
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Post by Positive Tension on Feb 9, 2008 17:27:09 GMT -5
Agreeance. With full vocals and better production, I think it would have been almost perfect.
About ILT, though it did only hit number 16 in the US, it did far better worldwide than SIO and DFAU, peaking at number four on the UWC.
To answer the question about whether Mariah's songs are forgettable, well, I think she has several hits people will remember from her. "Vision Of Love," "Hero," "Fantasy," "Dreamlover,' "Always Be My Baby," "All I Want For Christmas Is You," and "We Belong Together," among others. They've held up well.
However, while I love her 1990-1997 and 2005+ music (and a few songs in between) and think she has a very good body of work, I agree that some of her songs sound similar, with similar themes, and that for the number of hits she's had, more of them should stand out. She needs to experiment with more sounds and styles from album-to-album instead of just gradually refining her sound to match the current trends (not saying she always followed- she's had a lot of influence on other artists, and the Fantasy remix with ODB had a big impact). I think that's why some of her hits are forgotten even if they are good songs. Also, Mariah needs some anthems, more variety in terms of themes, and perhaps a theme to a popular movie to provide more songs with staying power.
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on Feb 10, 2008 14:47:04 GMT -5
First of all, in Mariah's defense:
The creator of this thread compared artists like Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Prince, etc. to Mariah, However...what i will say in regards to that is that maybe Mariah is still too NEW to get golden airplay? All of these artists that were listed go back to the 70s and 80s when Mariah came out in the 90s. I don't think radio has embraced 90s music that much yet, it usually takes about 15-20 years for a passed decade to dominate the golden airwaves. Right now when we hear golden music, most of the stuff that gets played is from the 80s. When we were in the 90s, the 70s made a huge comeback. I highly believe in the 2010s, the 90s will make a comeback and we might have songs like 'Baby One More Time' and even some of Mariah's hits start getting heavier airplay.
Now there's that theory. There's also the fact that yes, Mariah hasn't really pushed boundaries on any of her music. She has always relied on hooks and producing hits with the hottest producers of the moment. She never really gave any political or controversial statements like how Michael, Madonna, etc. were known to do. She also never was big with the dance crowd. Most of her hits were pure pop/r & b romance. Actually almost ALL of her songs are about her reminiscing about an ex lover. So when you take songs like 'Dreamlover' 'Fantasy' and 'Always Be My Baby', the general public is not going to remember all three of them. Radio will take one of these songs and make it represent her entire catalog.
Then you have her soapy ballads like 'One Sweet Day' and 'Hero,' 'Without You,' and 'Vision of Love,' again...radio will take one of these songs and make it her classic. There's no way they will keep playing all her old hits when they are practically all the same. Isn't it shocking how 'One Sweet Day' spent the most weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 yet it is hardly remembered today? So far Mariah's songs haven't stood the test of time, but it's too early to make that conclusion. Lets wait 10 more years and see what happens.
I think Mariah is like the Julia Roberts of the Music Industry. Julia Roberts is acclaimed for her acting skills, but criticized for her starring roles in romantic clique comedies. It's a very similar situation with Mariah. She is acclaimed for her talented voice, yet criticized for her clique romantic and soapy songs. The Julia Roberts formula worked very well in the 90s despite the critics disapproval. Her loyal fans made most of her movies huge hits. The same thing can be said with Mariah Carey. Are any of Julia Roberts movies considered classics besides 'Pretty Woman'? NO!
On a side note, i think 'We Belong Together' well stand the test of time.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 10, 2008 16:01:39 GMT -5
First of all, in Mariah's defense: I don't think radio has embraced 90s music that much yet, it usually takes about 15-20 years for a passed decade to dominate the golden airwaves. I actually think that's the problem though...90s music is extremely popular on Hot AC and AC, and Mariah's not showin up on most of these stations as much as Alanis, Goo Goo Dolls, Hootie and the Blowfish, Matchbox Twenty, Sheryl Crow, Jewel, etc. Agree though that it's not fair to compare her to 80s artists like Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, etc.
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Feb 21, 2008 3:52:47 GMT -5
First of all, in Mariah's defense: The creator of this thread compared artists like Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Prince, etc. to Mariah, However...what i will say in regards to that is that maybe Mariah is still too NEW to get golden airplay? All of these artists that were listed go back to the 70s and 80s when Mariah came out in the 90s. I don't think radio has embraced 90s music that much yet, it usually takes about 15-20 years for a passed decade to dominate the golden airwaves. Right now when we hear golden music, most of the stuff that gets played is from the 80s. When we were in the 90s, the 70s made a huge comeback. I highly believe in the 2010s, the 90s will make a comeback and we might have songs like 'Baby One More Time' and even some of Mariah's hits start getting heavier airplay. Now there's that theory. There's also the fact that yes, Mariah hasn't really pushed boundaries on any of her music. She has always relied on hooks and producing hits with the hottest producers of the moment. She never really gave any political or controversial statements like how Michael, Madonna, etc. were known to do. She also never was big with the dance crowd. Most of her hits were pure pop/r & b romance. Actually almost ALL of her songs are about her reminiscing about an ex lover. So when you take songs like 'Dreamlover' 'Fantasy' and 'Always Be My Baby', the general public is not going to remember all three of them. Radio will take one of these songs and make it represent her entire catalog. Then you have her soapy ballads like 'One Sweet Day' and 'Hero,' 'Without You,' and 'Vision of Love,' again...radio will take one of these songs and make it her classic. There's no way they will keep playing all her old hits when they are practically all the same. Isn't it shocking how 'One Sweet Day' spent the most weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 yet it is hardly remembered today? So far Mariah's songs haven't stood the test of time, but it's too early to make that conclusion. Lets wait 10 more years and see what happens. I think Mariah is like the Julia Roberts of the Music Industry. Julia Roberts is acclaimed for her acting skills, but criticized for her starring roles in romantic clique comedies. It's a very similar situation with Mariah. She is acclaimed for her talented voice, yet criticized for her clique romantic and soapy songs. The Julia Roberts formula worked very well in the 90s despite the critics disapproval. Her loyal fans made most of her movies huge hits. The same thing can be said with Mariah Carey. Are any of Julia Roberts movies considered classics besides 'Pretty Woman'? NO! On a side note, i think 'We Belong Together' well stand the test of time. I dont think Baby one more time will ever receive heavy airplay it sounds way to bubble gum pop and 99'ish just like nsync songs Christina "Genie in a Bottle" and Backstreet Boys songs seem to have stood more of the test of time and get more airplayed and seem more remembered.
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Post by John77 on Feb 21, 2008 10:31:25 GMT -5
Her current "hit" is VERY forgettable for sure...
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 21, 2008 11:18:57 GMT -5
You do like talking about it tho. ;)
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Post by John77 on Feb 21, 2008 23:13:09 GMT -5
You do like talking about it tho. ;) Only cuz so many people are delusional about it.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 21, 2008 23:28:17 GMT -5
We'll let them live their lie then. ;)
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Post by hidizzyguy on Feb 21, 2008 23:51:15 GMT -5
You do like talking about it tho. ;) Only cuz so many people are delusional about it. *places very small mirror in front of you*
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Post by John77 on Feb 22, 2008 22:58:29 GMT -5
We'll let them live their lie then. ;) I suppose so. Asides, we only have to wait another 5 weeks or so before the song inevitably peaks at CHR/Pop.
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Post by Ferrero on Feb 23, 2008 8:08:45 GMT -5
Interesting the comment about American Idol/Idol like shows worldwide. I could name loads of Whitney/Celine/Xtina etc songs being sung on these shows. I am struggling to recall any performances of Mariah numbers except for "Without you", which, as already pointed out, is not a Mariah song. they better don't... they will end up embarassing themselves anyway i do think Mariah's achievement is very underated here i mean you see Mariah in Leona Lewis...Beyonce... Christina Aguilera... I don't think anyone sings like how Mariah did back in the 90s... the vocal acrobatics she displayed in her live singing just blew everyone away... shes still relatively young in the business as compare to her peers... and i disagree that she doesn't have a signature song... Hero...WBT and particularly ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS YOU... you will always hear this song in NOV/DEC every year without fail
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 23, 2008 14:40:12 GMT -5
We'll let them live their lie then. ;) ;)
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2008 16:22:06 GMT -5
We'll let them live their lie then. ;) I suppose so. Asides, we only have to wait another 5 weeks or so before the song inevitably peaks at CHR/Pop. Yeah I agree that this is an all-promo song which is gettin most of its plays right now cause of "hype" rather than people actually likin the song itself...I'm givin it a pretty short chart life, even if it rockets up and down the chart and manages to hit the Top 5 (but wouldn't be surprised if it barely cracked the Top 10)...anyhow IMO "Touch My Body" is def. gonna go in the "forgettable" category
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 23, 2008 16:35:09 GMT -5
I suppose so. Asides, we only have to wait another 5 weeks or so before the song inevitably peaks at CHR/Pop. Yeah I agree that this is an all-promo song which is gettin most of its plays right now cause of "hype" rather than people actually likin the song itself...I'm givin it a pretty short chart life, even if it rockets up and down the chart and manages to hit the Top 5 (but wouldn't be surprised if it barely cracked the Top 10)...anyhow IMO "Touch My Body" is def. gonna go in the "forgettable" category Really? Cause almost everyone I know either have always liked the song or have warmed up to it or are warming up to it. Actually it seems that the majority of the people out there that I have seen actually like the song, but of course you are going to have those that don't like the song or the imature people that name the people who do like the song "delusional" or "living a lie". As a matter of fact I really shouldn't even be speaking for most people, but just speaking for myself, and neither should anyone here. What people base as "most people" are just the 1/4 of the current population on Pulse who actually post their opinions, and that doesn't equal 0.0000000000000000000000000000000012 % of the population in the world. So let's find out the call out scores before we start saying that this single is doing well on hype only. K. ;)
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2008 16:46:47 GMT -5
Yeah I agree that this is an all-promo song which is gettin most of its plays right now cause of "hype" rather than people actually likin the song itself...I'm givin it a pretty short chart life, even if it rockets up and down the chart and manages to hit the Top 5 (but wouldn't be surprised if it barely cracked the Top 10)...anyhow IMO "Touch My Body" is def. gonna go in the "forgettable" category Really? Cause almost everyone I know either have always liked the song or have warmed up to it or are warming up to it. Actually it seems that the majority of the people out there that I have seen actually like the song, but of course you are going to have those that don't like the song or the imature people that name the people who do like the song "delusional" or "living a lie". As a matter of fact I really shouldn't even be speaking for most people, but just speaking for myself, and neither should anyone here. What people base as "most people" are just the 1/4 of the current population on Pulse who actually post their opinions, and that doesn't equal 0.0000000000000000000000000000000012 % of the population in the world. So let's find out the call out scores before we start saying that this single is doing well on hype only. K. ;) It's just a hunch dude...I have no idea how well this is gonna do -
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 23, 2008 22:42:07 GMT -5
Keep in mind songs like 'Wind It Up' and 'Never Again'...
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Post by Ferrero on Feb 23, 2008 22:56:18 GMT -5
i do think that after being in the business for so long, LA Reid is not that stupid to allow TMB to walk in the footsteps of these songs
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Post by John77 on Feb 23, 2008 22:58:06 GMT -5
Keep in mind songs like 'Wind It Up' and 'Never Again'...
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 23, 2008 23:59:21 GMT -5
Keep in mind songs like 'Wind It Up' and 'Never Again'... Yeah about people staying on topic, I don't see what this has to do with Mariah or any of her songs?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 24, 2008 11:42:50 GMT -5
You're right, in this particular topic, it doesn't. In a topic about her song, it *could* be on topic. The only reason why it isn't is because as soon as someone makes a comparison or prediction like that, people immediately call out the person that said it, somehow insult both Kelly AND Gwen AND their fans AND the favourite singer of the person who made the post. It's not that it's OFF topic, it's that resulting posts cause it to be off-topic. So I apologize for the above post stating that, in all honesty and without any sort of backhanded comment toward Mariah, I think this first single will follow similar runs. Not because it's bad or sucks but because that's the role it's going to play. It's just like 'It's Like That' and other singles released to kick off an album that have immediate first sales. I bet single #2 is much better because it's the one that probably won't get immediate airplay right away but the one they'll need to work alittle bit. The airplay this song is getting is immediate hype airplay. It's guaranteed. They're sitting back and watching the work being done for them while they plan out single #2.
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Post by John77 on Feb 24, 2008 12:04:59 GMT -5
Keep in mind songs like 'Wind It Up' and 'Never Again'... Yeah about people staying on topic, I don't see what this has to do with Mariah or any of her songs? Actually, I think it has a lot to do with her current song and some of her songs from her slump period. Like with WIU and NA, TMB is not a song that's going to be remembered even 3 months from now. Hopefully her new album will have some more appealing and memorable stuff (i.e.: WBT.)
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 24, 2008 13:51:19 GMT -5
Not because it's bad or sucks but because that's the role it's going to play. It's just like 'It's Like That' and other singles released to kick off an album that have immediate first sales. I bet single #2 is much better because it's the one that probably won't get immediate airplay right away but the one they'll need to work alittle bit. The airplay this song is getting is immediate hype airplay. It's guaranteed. They're sitting back and watching the work being done for them while they plan out single #2. Yeah that's completely the impression I got from this song (although I've still only heard it once)...similar role to Dirrty, What You Waiting For, even Disease by Matchbox 20...Dave Matthews used to release attention-getting singles before his hit singles on a lot of CDs (Too Much, Don't Drink The Water, I Did It, etc.) Whoever said this discussion is on the wrong thread is right though lol
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Post by Luista on Feb 24, 2008 15:45:18 GMT -5
Yes, because she's boring at times.
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Post by FADE AWAY on Feb 24, 2008 16:09:53 GMT -5
Yes. Mariah's music has no personality and many of her recent attempts have been pretty generic... Mariah is known for the VOICE, being insane, and having a bunch of #1 hits....but I think anybody who isn't a crazy lamb would not be able to name 5 off the top of their head.
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Post by hidizzyguy on Feb 25, 2008 11:44:26 GMT -5
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Post by music on Feb 28, 2008 2:31:37 GMT -5
Mariah has never had anything to say with her music, especially singles. It's mostly by-the-numbers love songs and things of the like. Her videos are banal and once again never dealt with any real issues. She's not a visual force and thus has no memorable images attached to her.
She's made no cultural impact. She's a singer, not an artist/visionary/performer. And apparently she's fine with that and has chosen that path. So be it.
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