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Post by MOWE on May 7, 2009 23:42:06 GMT -5
Holy crap! :o From Mediabase: PANEL CHANGE:Effective immediately, the following stations are no longer part of their respective Published Panel: Top 40: WKKF/Albany, WDKF/Dayton, WZKF/Louisville, WLKT/Lexington, WKGS/Rochester. Na na na na hey hey hey goodbye :)
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Post by rfucom on May 7, 2009 23:43:33 GMT -5
are those 5 stations only causing the weirdess , i thougth there were few others.
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Post by uplink2 on May 7, 2009 23:50:51 GMT -5
I've been reading this thread with great interest and thought I'd just add a few of my thoughts. First of all, I agree that this is a horrible idea, bad for radio and bad for new artists in particular. I hope the FCC gets involved at some point as it will have and even greater impact on artists than the payola scandel of a few years ago. But one thing struck me in the discussion here, IMO anyone who thinks this will get better or these jobs that were lost are going to come back when the economy inevitably turns around is fooling themselves. These jobs are gone for good and won't be returning. This industry like may others was faced with diminishing revenues long before the recent downturn. Competition from Satellite radio, other media sources, iPods in vehicles were all taking their toll on a shrinking advertising market. This is happening in television as well. Central casting models are popping up all over the place. One of the stations in your TV market are probably being hubbed from somewhere else or will be within the next 18 months. Its just a fact of life going forward. Automation has been around in radio for ages and at most stations the only local DJ's are the morning show guys. But what makes this so bad is that instead of local servers playing a locally flavored playlist automatically, now they are just punching up an internet feed and away they go. What's strange is I don't see where it really saves much money. You still need the local servers for the local adds and there already is no staff to pay, just an engineer to reboot the servers once in a while and maintain the transmitter and that is even being regionalized. So where is the savings? I guess its all about control and saving paying for the very few jobs of the folks that made the local playlists.
Hopefully the Mediabase thing will help the situation and if Billboard lowers the percentage for airplay in the Hot100 because of it that may help as well but its a very sad day but I don't see the "good old days" ever coming back.
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Post by Battle601 on May 7, 2009 23:51:01 GMT -5
are those 5 stations only causing the weirdess , i thougth there were few others. There's another 20 or so stations still on the panel but the 5 that were removed were by far the worst. And it couldn't get any worse before they were finally banished - initially they each ran that dreadful playlist for 16 hours a day, but it turned out to be 20 hours as of Wednesday. I think that was enough for Mediabase to take action.
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on May 7, 2009 23:57:27 GMT -5
Top 40: WKKF/Albany, WDKF/Dayton, WZKF/Louisville, WLKT/Lexington, WKGS/Rochester.
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Two of these stations was playing Jessie James "Wanted" lol
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Post by rfucom on May 8, 2009 0:00:18 GMT -5
Top 40: WKKF/Albany, WDKF/Dayton, WZKF/Louisville, WLKT/Lexington, WKGS/Rochester. :( Two of these stations was playing Jessie James "Wanted" lol sad 4 u :(
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on May 8, 2009 0:03:21 GMT -5
Thanks! lol
Can somebody tell me what's happining? I didn't understand too much
Clear Channel stations are playing the same songs in the same hours? Would be this the reason of My Life Would Suck Without You are rising?
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Post by rfucom on May 8, 2009 0:08:27 GMT -5
Thanks! lol Can somebody tell me what's happining? I didn't understand too much Clear Channel stations are playing the same songs in the same hours? Would be this the reason of My Life Would Suck Without You are rising? Yeah. thats the messed brought to us by CC and My life would suck regain becuase of this issue and some other old songs like you found me. CC is a complete trashed.
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on May 8, 2009 0:10:13 GMT -5
Thanks so much rfucom!
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Post by Battle601 on May 8, 2009 0:17:19 GMT -5
Thanks! lol Can somebody tell me what's happining? I didn't understand too much Clear Channel stations are playing the same songs in the same hours? Would be this the reason of My Life Would Suck Without You are rising? Basically since the beginning of the week, a number of stations owned by Clear Channel have been simulcasting a national playlist primarily during the overnight hours. While the playlist features a lot of songs that are currently popular on CHR, the problem is that it tends to have more songs that are rhythmic as well as those that have peaked and are on their way to going recurrent or have done so already. What the playlist does not feature are a number of the new and upcoming songs that have recently gone for adds on CHR as well as those songs crossing over from Hot AC and Rock. So songs like "My Life Would Suck Without You", "Sober" and "Just Dance" (all of which have already peaked) are suddenly seeing a resurgence in their bullets while songs that were moving up considerably ("Second Chance", "Waking Up in Vegas", "Please Don't Leave Me") suddenly lost momentum to the point that some have already approached negative bullets. Few stations have actually been using this playlist for nearly the entire day (16-20 hours) so as a result, Mediabase took action and removed them from the CHR format reporting panel as of yesterday (Thursday).
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on May 8, 2009 0:22:59 GMT -5
:o So, the removed stations are making this mess?
na na na na nnnan hey hey hey Goodbye! [2]
Thanks so much Purged too!
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Post by Battle601 on May 8, 2009 0:29:28 GMT -5
:o So, the removed stations are making this mess? na na na na nnnan hey hey hey Goodbye! [2] Thanks so much Purged too! As I mentioned back a few previous posts on this page, the ones now removed were the worst, since they ran the playlists for more or less the entire day. However, it is still messy to say the least since another 20 or so stations running the playlist are still on the panel.
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Post by Battle601 on May 8, 2009 0:57:32 GMT -5
I know this list was posted on the first page of this thread, but I thought it would be useful to arrange it based on the daily number of hours that this playlist airs on the stations listed along with the market it serves.
This is all based on the information has been gathered so far from the format reporting panel (thanks to Slinky). All times are local.
8 hours (10 PM-6 AM) WXKS/Boston
7 hours (10 PM-5 AM) KKRZ/Portland (OR), KZZP/Phoenix, KSLZ/St. Louis, WHYI/Miami, WKST/Pittsburgh
6 hours (12 AM-6 AM) KZCH/Wichita, WAEV/Savannah (GA), WAKS/Cleveland, WIOQ/Philadelphia, WKFS/Jacksonville, WNOK/Columbia (SC), WRVQ/Richmond, VA (with optional inserts)
5 1/2 hours (12 AM-5:30 AM) WAKZ/Youngstown (OH)
5 hours (12 AM-5 AM) KHFI/Austin, KKDM/Des Moines, KRQQ/Tucson, KXXM/San Antonio, WFMF/Baton Rouge, WHKF/Harrisburg, WSNX/Grand Rapids, WVKS/Toledo
4 hours WKCI/New Haven (1 AM-5 AM) WKSS/Hartford (1 AM-5 AM) WLDI/West Palm Beach (2 AM-6 AM)
3 hours (2 AM-5 AM) WKSC/Chicago
Stations/markets not included: KBKS/Seattle, KDWB/Minneapolis, KHKS/Dallas, KHTS/San Diego, KIIS/Los Angeles, KJYO/Oklahoma City, KSME/Ft. Collins (CO), KVUU/Colorado Springs, KZHT/Salt Lake City, WAEB/Allentown, WBVD/Melbourne, WDCG/Raleigh, WFLZ/Tampa, WHTZ/New York, WIHT/Washington (DC), WKFS/Cincinnati, WKQI/Detroit, WLAN/Lancaster, WNCI/Columbus, WQEN/Birmingham, WRVW/Nashville, WWHT/Syracuse, WXXL/Orlando, WZEE/Madison (WI)
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on May 8, 2009 1:02:28 GMT -5
:o 8 hours playing this songs? is it?
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on May 8, 2009 5:59:05 GMT -5
yikes... boston... :| 8 hours really?
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Post by Alex on May 8, 2009 8:04:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the list. I will e-mail the list to Mediabase so they can make further adjustments.
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Post by johnm1120 on May 8, 2009 8:43:32 GMT -5
So Y100 has now joined in on the fiasco. Disappointing, but expected.
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Post by jamrock16 on May 8, 2009 11:02:46 GMT -5
So now I'm guessing the new impossible 11k barrier (except for Gaga) will be about 10, 500 spins for the most spun songs following this? Poker Face is at 10392 spins now.
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Post by Battle601 on May 8, 2009 11:24:15 GMT -5
So now I'm guessing the new impossible 11k barrier (except for Gaga) will be about 10, 500 spins for the most spun songs following this? Poker Face is at 10392 spins now. The 11,000 spins was only made possible given that there were not only more stations in the panel, but also the launch of new CHR stations and the high number of spins on one of the Sirius Satellite Radio channels included.
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Post by David on May 8, 2009 15:27:08 GMT -5
So does this mean that this time next week we will see the chart have a massive inflation?
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Post by Au$tin on May 8, 2009 15:55:04 GMT -5
23 22 PINK Please Don't Leave M... 2848 2866 -18 16.598 49 46 VERONICAS Take Me On The Floor 509 548 -39 2.789
Deja vu anyone?
21 21 PINK Sober 3159 2761 398 19.259 22 22 VERONICAS Untouched 2784 2695 89 14.529
It's like the Holiday freeze, but five times worse. :(
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Post by CowboysForever9 on May 8, 2009 18:27:37 GMT -5
It's funny seeing what a major impact this had on so many songs. And it really makes you wonder how inflated those songs at the top during this time truly were.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 8, 2009 20:49:59 GMT -5
^Yeah just never understood why people were gettin so excited about spin count "records" when it just depends on # of monitered stations on panel and their power rotation patterns
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Post by CowboysForever9 on May 8, 2009 21:55:04 GMT -5
Yep. Poker Face has a big one of these *next to its spin record in my book.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 8, 2009 22:16:34 GMT -5
That could be said about pretty much any record out there. IT is all circumstances, chart formulas, stars aligning, etc.
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Post by friday on May 8, 2009 22:19:06 GMT -5
I didn't even realize KBKS was a Clear Channel station. Apparently, CBS "traded" 5 stations to CC in exchange for two in Houston, just in the last few months. Yet more stations in Clear Channel's largess.
Thank goodness they (or Z100) are not in on this scam so far. I'm a little confused about one point though, and if it's already been addressed I apologize. Are these stations simply running the same set of songs every hour during the programming? Meaning, if I heard "Just Dance" at 1:04 AM, would I hear it again at 2:04, 3:04, 4:04, etc.? And does the playlist get changed each day? Each week? Or do songs get individually added and removed arbitrarily?
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Post by Mega248 on May 8, 2009 22:31:45 GMT -5
^Yeah just never understood why people were gettin so excited about spin count "records" when it just depends on # of monitered stations on panel and their power rotation patterns Yeah, the record that actually means anything is spins per station, although either Leona or Lady Gaga probably has that record now too. Someone who's kept track of the changes in panel sizes would need to verify that though.
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Post by Slinky on May 8, 2009 23:06:50 GMT -5
Are these stations simply running the same set of songs every hour during the programming? Meaning, if I heard "Just Dance" at 1:04 AM, would I hear it again at 2:04, 3:04, 4:04, etc.? No. It's varied every hour. The biggest songs seem to get played every two hours or so. You might hear the same song two hours in a row but it shouldn't happen often. I would assume adds happen on a weekly basis, but it's been less than a week so far so we don't really know yet.
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Post by Pipa on May 8, 2009 23:28:36 GMT -5
Yes, Beggin' is getting a lot of airplay on the national playlist. That, along with the other rhythmic tracks on the list, and the DJ's that are announcing, seems to indicate that this whole thing is being run out of KIIS in LA. Oh goody, I needed another reason to hate KIIS.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2009 4:03:57 GMT -5
i am from malaysia and observe the america mediabase chart all the time.today i saw the mediabase chart change a lot and boom boom pow and other song got few spins.i was thinking some mistake there.i know that last few weeks chart also weird because the spins for new songs is not growing.but today chart was weird so i come this site check the threads.i found out that one big company fault.but i need people to reaffirm my confusion,whether i am right or wrong.
the company have few radio stations where they play the same songs all over again.is it they played the songs played at midnight and reused it on the morning and afternoon and evening time?then songs in that playlist will have many spins per day and those not there have no spins at all?like just dance played 10 times per day when that song should have decrease the spins when people get tired of that song?no wonder i see so huge different in the chart.
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