wunderkind
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Post by wunderkind on Dec 17, 2010 12:37:18 GMT -5
KatySuBo & RihannaTaylor are holding up well :) I hope BEP can do the same :(
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 17, 2010 13:12:37 GMT -5
Word.... leave it to Michael's family to f**k up everything for him, even after death. They should just have kept their mouths shut. No, maybe his record label shouldn't have resorted to petty, disgusting schemes to make money off his life (and death). There's been several people outside of his family to come forward and state that Jackson was not pleased with new material leaking before it was finished, and obviously this material is not finished. He would not want this in the marketplace. This is nothing but a ploy to get money from his fans with absolutely no respect to the artist's wishes. It's funny how people are assuming they know what a dead guy wants. You don't know what Michael intended. Let's stop that speculations now. It's not based on facts.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 17, 2010 13:15:23 GMT -5
Really hoping SuBo pulls it out. Neither of the other 2 albums deserve to be #1. And about Ciara -- she's once again selling more albums than the quality justifies -- good for her! Out of billions of people who are on the internet. I'd say that's likely that you would see some support for Ciara in a place where Diva's pretty much rule the roost.
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 17, 2010 17:32:09 GMT -5
Get it Nicki! Didn't Kanye say he's not worried about the media? So maybe he doesn't care how this album goes. i already consider the album a success so anything more is gravy. with sales declining i consider 500k total good sales. 1 million is great, 2 million is smashing. i say 200k-400k is fair enough. 100k is enough to get another album, any total under that is what i consider the new terrible.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Dec 17, 2010 18:14:09 GMT -5
Well it really depends. if your selling 200k-400k and aren't bringing in money from other fields (e.g digital singles, touring, Merchandise) or Acclaim its a pretty sticky situation for the Label. Albums do cost a lot to produce and market. We need to remember its still a business first and foremost. The Labels need to be making money off their artists.
They dont seem to have the patience to nurture new artists these days and due to the ever changing landscape of the industry, the focus is more on quick success. Artists like Ciara need to start worrying, how many Flops are they going to be allowed.
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Post by BuzzforBee on Dec 17, 2010 18:24:47 GMT -5
Subo slaying the lessers i just cant :'(
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Post by Minor Scratch on Dec 17, 2010 19:26:54 GMT -5
I think its a lack of quality product that's hurting sales this year. The labels are so concerned with rushing a 4Q release that they are forgetting to actually put decent material on their artists' records.
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Post by NeRD on Dec 17, 2010 19:38:10 GMT -5
I think its a lack of quality product that's hurting sales this year. The labels are so concerned with rushing a 4Q release that they are forgetting to actually put decent material on their artists' records. So true. And just because you have catchy songs on radio doesnt mean people will actually go out and buy your album. (no shade)
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Post by bat1990 on Dec 19, 2010 11:30:26 GMT -5
i already consider the album a success so anything more is gravy. with sales declining i consider 500k total good sales. 1 million is great, 2 million is smashing. i say 200k-400k is fair enough. 100k is enough to get another album, any total under that is what i consider the new terrible. This is the situation in most other countries. I know the US has a larger population than the rest of the countries with music charts, but those have been the numbers elsewhere for years. Although I think selling 100-200k has always been enough to at least get another album. I read something about Jagged Little Pill once that Maverick were only looking for it to sell about 100k so she could make a sophomore set and that would be the promotional focus.
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Post by slw84 on Dec 19, 2010 12:40:47 GMT -5
Get it Nicki! Didn't Kanye say he's not worried about the media? So maybe he doesn't care how this album goes. i already consider the album a success so anything more is gravy. with sales declining i consider 500k total good sales. 1 million is great, 2 million is smashing. i say 200k-400k is fair enough. 100k is enough to get another album, any total under that is what i consider the new terrible. Kanye is going to be a front-loaded seller for the next few albums. I think the media has really gotten to him and vice versa. I guess we should just appreciate the good music but IMO 3 million + blockbuster/mega smash 2 million + is certifiable smash 1 million+ is solid for a pop artist/great for new artists 500k is decent nothing noteworthy anything less is a flop IDK if you are a new artist.
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Post by slw84 on Dec 19, 2010 12:42:49 GMT -5
i already consider the album a success so anything more is gravy. with sales declining i consider 500k total good sales. 1 million is great, 2 million is smashing. i say 200k-400k is fair enough. 100k is enough to get another album, any total under that is what i consider the new terrible. This is the situation in most other countries. I know the US has a larger population than the rest of the countries with music charts, but those have been the numbers elsewhere for years. Although I think selling 100-200k has always been enough to at least get another album. I read something about Jagged Little Pill once that Maverick were only looking for it to sell about 100k so she could make a sophomore set and that would be the promotional focus. She must have made massive amounts on that. 100k...16x platinum and probably 30 MWW. I hope Alanis had her publishing and album rights back then :o
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Post by TGIF on Dec 19, 2010 13:00:04 GMT -5
3 million + blockbuster/mega smash 2 million + is certifiable smash 1 million+ is solid for a pop artist/great for new artists 500k is decent nothing noteworthyanything less is a flop IDK if you are a new artist. !!!!!!!!! completely agreed.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 19, 2010 13:29:27 GMT -5
3 million + blockbuster/mega smash 2 million + is certifiable smash 1 million+ is solid for a pop artist/great for new artists 500k is decent nothing noteworthyanything less is a flop IDK if you are a new artist. !!!!!!!!! completely agreed. I second that!
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Post by jgizzle89 on Dec 19, 2010 14:58:47 GMT -5
i agree with those numbers for singles sales, but a little high for albums sales these days.
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Post by leoapp on Dec 19, 2010 23:25:39 GMT -5
RIAA must lower their certification rule, but only for album sales 5 million = diamond 500.000 = platinum 250.000 = gold
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Post by DJ General on Dec 20, 2010 0:04:08 GMT -5
500,000 is very respectable nowadays. 1,000,000 is considered extremely great in my opinion. =)
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Post by David on Dec 20, 2010 7:45:52 GMT -5
No, maybe his record label shouldn't have resorted to petty, disgusting schemes to make money off his life (and death). There's been several people outside of his family to come forward and state that Jackson was not pleased with new material leaking before it was finished, and obviously this material is not finished. He would not want this in the marketplace. This is nothing but a ploy to get money from his fans with absolutely no respect to the artist's wishes. It's funny how people are assuming they know what a dead guy wants. You don't know what Michael intended. Let's stop that speculations now. It's not based on facts. Exactly. Michael was definitely a perfectionist, but he would also want his fans to hear what he had been up to. If he were alive, it wouldn't be released until he could perfect it, but he's not alive, so that can't happen.
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Post by slw84 on Dec 20, 2010 8:19:57 GMT -5
RIAA must lower their certification rule, but only for album sales 5 million = diamond 500.000 = platinum 250.000 = gold Gurl, bye. We just have to accept that a diamond album is next to impossible. All certs in the U.S. should remain the same. I'm sure there are some older albums that might eventually sell 10 million...they won't be considered double diamond and it's a slap in the face of albums that were able to achieve double diamond the right way 20 million in sales.
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Post by leoapp on Dec 20, 2010 8:32:07 GMT -5
RIAA must lower their certification rule, but only for album sales 5 million = diamond 500.000 = platinum 250.000 = gold Gurl, bye. We just have to accept that a diamond album is next to impossible. All certs in the U.S. should remain the same. I'm sure there are some older albums that might eventually sell 10 million...they won't be considered double diamond and it's a slap in the face of albums that were able to achieve double diamond the right way 20 million in sales. Just for albums which are released after the year 2010 (for example). But i think it's not great idea though.
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Post by passionformusic on Dec 20, 2010 9:23:20 GMT -5
Just saw this. Interesting...i never saw projections in HDD that SuBo and Taylor will be above 250k. Missed something? ------------------------------------------
Michael Jackson, Taylor Swift and Susan Boyle duke it out on the Billboard 200 By Melinda Newman - Taylor Swift and Susan Boyle race to the finish line as well Sunday, Dec 19, 2010
Who will get bragging rights to topping the last Billboard 200 album chart before Christmas?
It’s going to come down to the wire between Taylor Swift’s “Speak Now” and Susan Boyle’s “The Gift.” The two titles are in a dead heat for first place, with each poised to sell upwards of 250,000 copies, according to Hits Daily Double.
That means that the best Michael Jackson’s posthumous title, “Michael,” can eke out will be third place (and it may lose that to half-pint Jackie Evancho’s “O Holy Night.” Both are projected to sell around 225,000, which is a far cry from the initial 400,000 copies originally expected a few weeks ago. However, so-so reviews and controversy over how the unfinished tracks were completed, plus a relatively blase reception at radio, have led to a less-than-desired opening frame.
Going into the weekend, R. Kelly’s smooth R&B opus, “Love Letter,” and “Glee’s” Christmas album are also too close to tell which will grab the No. 5 slot and which will be No. 6. Regardless, it looks like “Glee” will have two albums in the Top 10 as “Vol. 4” hangs in around No. 8. Rounding out the top 10 will likely be Kid rock at No. 7, Justin Bieber at No. 9 and Nicki Minaj at No. 10.
Despite a wealth of TV appearances, including “Saturday Night Live,” it looks like the best Diddy Dirty Money’s “Last Train to Paris” will achieve is a No. 16 start with sales of around 60,000-70,000. And in a further sign that "American Idol's" power continues to erode. it looks like Crystal Bowersox's "Farmer's Daughter" will come in even lower than that, selling somewhere in the 40,000 range.
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Post by Black Jesus on Dec 20, 2010 10:13:20 GMT -5
Ouch all around. Ouch at Michael, Ouch at Diddy, and Ouch at Crystal!! Damn!
I hope SuBo takes it again :)
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 20, 2010 10:29:59 GMT -5
Where did that come from? Firstly, if it's written about the Billboard 200, why quote HITS Daily Double? Melinda Newman was a Billboard writer- not sure if she still is.
Will HITS publish this week? I don't see why it shouldn't- it then can take next week off, as that's the week in-between Christmas and New Year's.
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Post by passionformusic on Dec 20, 2010 10:54:19 GMT -5
I saw this @some random forum. Thought it was strange, too. I wish it had source. I see no sign of it on Billboard. I guess we just have to wait and see. :)
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Post by jgizzle89 on Dec 20, 2010 12:35:32 GMT -5
did people really think MJ was going to sell 400k? i guessed he would hit 300k MAX, so 225k seems reasonable to me.
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Post by jdanton2 on Dec 20, 2010 12:46:22 GMT -5
Just saw this. Interesting...i never saw projections in HDD that SuBo and Taylor will be above 250k. Missed something? ------------------------------------------ Michael Jackson, Taylor Swift and Susan Boyle duke it out on the Billboard 200 By Melinda Newman - Taylor Swift and Susan Boyle race to the finish line as well Sunday, Dec 19, 2010 Who will get bragging rights to topping the last Billboard 200 album chart before Christmas? It’s going to come down to the wire between Taylor Swift’s “Speak Now” and Susan Boyle’s “The Gift.” The two titles are in a dead heat for first place, with each poised to sell upwards of 250,000 copies, according to Hits Daily Double. That means that the best Michael Jackson’s posthumous title, “Michael,” can eke out will be third place (and it may lose that to half-pint Jackie Evancho’s “O Holy Night.” Both are projected to sell around 225,000, which is a far cry from the initial 400,000 copies originally expected a few weeks ago. However, so-so reviews and controversy over how the unfinished tracks were completed, plus a relatively blase reception at radio, have led to a less-than-desired opening frame. Going into the weekend, R. Kelly’s smooth R&B opus, “Love Letter,” and “Glee’s” Christmas album are also too close to tell which will grab the No. 5 slot and which will be No. 6. Regardless, it looks like “Glee” will have two albums in the Top 10 as “Vol. 4” hangs in around No. 8. Rounding out the top 10 will likely be Kid rock at No. 7, Justin Bieber at No. 9 and Nicki Minaj at No. 10. Despite a wealth of TV appearances, including “Saturday Night Live,” it looks like the best Diddy Dirty Money’s “Last Train to Paris” will achieve is a No. 16 start with sales of around 60,000-70,000. And in a further sign that "American Idol's" power continues to erode. it looks like Crystal Bowersox's "Farmer's Daughter" will come in even lower than that, selling somewhere in the 40,000 range. from this blog . www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-beat-goes-on/posts/is-it-another-no-1-for-michael-jackson-on-the-billboard-200-next-week
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 20, 2010 13:44:38 GMT -5
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 20, 2010 13:48:22 GMT -5
We will be far behind last year this week. The Top 10 all sold over 100k:
CHART DATE: 12/21/2009 1 1 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 659,382 +13% I DREAMED A DREAM -- 2 ALICIA KEYS J RECORDS/RMG 405,762 -- ELEMENT OF FREEDOM 2 3 ANDREA BOCELLI DECCA 384,928 -2% MY CHRISTMAS 4 4 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 230,045 +39% FEARLESS 5 5 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 159,423 +44% PLAY ON -- 6 MICHAEL BUBLE REPRISE 149,437 -- CRAZY LOVE 7 7 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 135,045 +32% FAME 8 8 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 130,012 +28% MY WORLD -- 9 ROBIN THICKE STAR TRAK/INTERSCOPE 120,018 -- SEX THERAPY 12 10 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 115,086 +41% THIS IS IT 3 11 GLEE CAST COLUMBIA 103,252 -40% GLEE VOL 2
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Post by BlueSwan on Dec 20, 2010 15:21:50 GMT -5
Hopefully the semi-flop status of "Michael" will pursuade Sony to abandon the idea of releasing a zillion watered down MJ projects over the next many years and instead compile all the best remaining stuff on ONE very good album. Having said that, "Michael" is not bad at all and certainly better than I expected. Still, it's not even close to any of his "real" solo albums in terms of overall quality.
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Post by livelikedying111 on Dec 20, 2010 15:57:32 GMT -5
Sales aew relatively low this year, aren't they? I was expecting (more like wishing) to see those kind of numbers this year as well, but... I really wanted Taylor to do 400K a week, but she's good...
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 20, 2010 16:33:46 GMT -5
No HITS chart this week, apparently. Today's no holiday, so would be surprising if it went and did a chart tomorrow.
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