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Post by hitseeker. on Dec 21, 2010 15:19:36 GMT -5
Katy soars past 800k this week. yess, she'll sell 1 mil. easily, 2mil. is a stretch, but would be awesome
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Post by Caviar on Dec 21, 2010 15:26:44 GMT -5
She's just NOW crossing 800k? Omg.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 21, 2010 15:36:37 GMT -5
^Given that the singles have sold do darn well, and it opened with less-than-anticipated numbers of 192K or so, the album is doing just fine.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 21, 2010 15:39:44 GMT -5
CHART DATE: 12/20/2010 NOW IN: FINAL 2 1 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 254,996 +27% SPEAK NOW ... -- 50 JOHN*ELTON & LEON RUSSEL DECCA 30,566 -- Wasn't this chart posted on page 4. It was incomplete. I posted the full final chart. No big deal.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 21, 2010 15:41:36 GMT -5
^Given that the singles have sold do darn well, and it opened with less-than-anticipated numbers of 192K or so, the album is doing just fine. Excuses. It's an underperformance for the level of success of her singles, promotion, and relevancy. 3 consecutive #1s and she can only muster 800k? Compare it to Ke$ha's Animal. It was released in January rather than August. At this point in its chart run, it had sold 600k, 200k less. Take in account that her singles following TT weren't as big as Katy's following CG (BBB underperformed), the difference in promotion, and the big difference in sales climate, and you see that Katy should be performing a lot better.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 21, 2010 15:59:06 GMT -5
^And all of that was said the week her album debuted. You've said nothing new.
800k is better than 500-600k which she could have done.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 21, 2010 16:00:41 GMT -5
^And all of that was said the week her album debuted. You've said nothing new. 800k is better than 500-600k which she could have done. 800k > 600k. No shit. That wasn't the point. The album should be performing better.
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Post by Lockheart on Dec 21, 2010 16:30:22 GMT -5
800K is very decent right now for Katy. She'll cross a million soon. I'm not surprised though that many people thought she would sell more. People tend to forget that two of her singles were already released prior to the album release.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 21, 2010 16:31:22 GMT -5
I have to wonder if it says something about Katy or pop music in general though that three massive multi-format smash biggest hits of the year, massive videos, and non-stop promo will pretty much only get her platinum or MAYBE 1.5 million. Its pretty dim considering how many millions have been poured into the project. I wonder how pop music will adapt or not adapt according to new numbers that even over promoted artists with massive smashes get.
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Post by slicknickshady on Dec 21, 2010 16:36:49 GMT -5
The thing is Katy could have 6 #1 singles from this album and probably not even be at 2,000,000 sold.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 21, 2010 16:46:19 GMT -5
800K is very decent right now for Katy. She'll cross a million soon. I'm not surprised though that many people thought she would sell more. People tend to forget that two of her singles were already released prior to the album release. Katy's record company knows what it's doing. they just need to keep getting her #1 singles. Katy and they will be just fine.
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Post by esoteric76 on Dec 21, 2010 16:48:15 GMT -5
800K is very decent right now for Katy. She'll cross a million soon. I'm not surprised though that many people thought she would sell more. People tend to forget that two of her singles were already released prior to the album release. Katy's record company knows what it's doing. they just need to keep getting her #1 singles. Katy and they will be just fine. Capitol's pretty much put all of their eggs in the Katy-basket, so yeah, they BETTER know what they're doing at this point.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 21, 2010 16:51:12 GMT -5
How much has Katy sold worldwide? Does anyone know? I haven't been watching worldwide sales that much lately except for the fact that Rihanna seems to be doing very well!
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Dec 21, 2010 16:54:35 GMT -5
Exactly. She's obviously a consistent seller. It would be different if she opened with like 400k and took her forever to get 800k
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 21, 2010 16:57:04 GMT -5
I think it would be VERY VERY concerning if she was having the massive promo, massive videos, and massive non-stop multi-format hits that she has had and NOT sold consistently. Like, whoa. Disaster.
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Post by passionformusic on Dec 21, 2010 17:03:21 GMT -5
Katys album could have been called a flop, but then Grammys came to rescue. It got a great boost from that AOTY nom. Plus holiday season now. Someone really was crawling out of their skin to save this project. Pretty glad they pulled it off. Some really good hit songs on it.
Shouldn`t it be 255k in the title?
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Post by reidster on Dec 21, 2010 17:16:54 GMT -5
I think the problem is Katy doesn't have a niche market as well as mass pop-appeal. To say that Pop hits / acts can't sell isn't an argument that can be made because Lady Gaga, etc, are able to sell. Lady GaGa has her gays/dance fans, Rihanna has the urban crowd, Avril has the pop-punk scene kids, etc, all in addition to their mass appeal to Pop. Katy doesn't really have anything besides pop fans, those who aren't really committed, and will just move on to the next new popular act when that time comes.
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Post by d.t.m on Dec 21, 2010 17:18:17 GMT -5
I still wonder what Kat would have opened with with CG being the only pre-album hit.
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Post by Lockheart on Dec 21, 2010 17:55:56 GMT -5
I think the problem is Katy doesn't have a niche market as well as mass pop-appeal. To say that Pop hits / acts can't sell isn't an argument that can be made because Lady Gaga, etc, are able to sell. Lady GaGa has her gays/dance fans, Rihanna has the urban crowd, Avril has the pop-punk scene kids, etc, all in addition to their mass appeal to Pop. Katy doesn't really have anything besides pop fans, those who aren't really committed, and will just move on to the next new popular act when that time comes. Pls don't include RiRi and Avril there. RiRi can't move albums to save her life, and Avril, I won't even comment. But I do agree with everything else. Lady GaGa has her built-in fan base, same with Beyonce and Britney.
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Post by Caviar on Dec 21, 2010 18:26:01 GMT -5
I think the problem is Katy doesn't have a niche market as well as mass pop-appeal. To say that Pop hits / acts can't sell isn't an argument that can be made because Lady Gaga, etc, are able to sell. Lady GaGa has her gays/dance fans, Rihanna has the urban crowd, Avril has the pop-punk scene kids, etc, all in addition to their mass appeal to Pop. Katy doesn't really have anything besides pop fans, those who aren't really committed, and will just move on to the next new popular act when that time comes. Pls don't include RiRi and Avril there. RiRi can't move albums to save her life.. ??? RiRi is selling 350k worldwide per week? ???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 19:16:37 GMT -5
Katy is doing alright. She doesn't really stand out that much tbh, so I wouldn't really expect her to be selling any better. Like Guy pointed out, compared to Ke$ha her performance does seem a bit unimpressive given sales climate, singles performance,etc. but I think K$ stands out more than she does and has more chance to develop a specific niche/following that Katy does so that doesn't really surprise me either.
And even though she's had 3 back-to-back #1s this era, "I Kissed A Girl" was still more iconic than anything she has this era and "Hot N Cold" is still her best selling single I believe so yeah...
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 21, 2010 19:32:42 GMT -5
Aside from Taylor Swift and Eminem, what acts who rack up decent radio hits are selling 1.5m+ albums (especially without a re-release)? BEP did with the last album, but unlikely to happen for BEP this time out.
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Post by slicknickshady on Dec 21, 2010 20:55:52 GMT -5
Tool has done that with there last two albums. Minus the radio hits. I mean they have had hits on Rock Radio. But Again there last album was released in 2006 and then before that 2001 so what they would sell in today's climate remains to be seen. I do think in this climate they will still have a 550K + Opening Week but how it will sustain will be the question. We will find out 4th quarter 2011.
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Post by Epic Fail on Dec 21, 2010 21:01:09 GMT -5
Pls don't include RiRi and Avril there. RiRi can't move albums to save her life.. ??? RiRi is selling 350k worldwide per week? ??? Since when is RiRi urban? She has had a handfull of hits on that chart. She is a pop act.
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Post by tinawina on Dec 21, 2010 21:03:32 GMT -5
Aside from Taylor Swift and Eminem, what acts who rack up decent radio hits are selling 1.5m+ albums (especially without a re-release)? BEP did with the last album, but unlikely to happen for BEP this time out. Basically. I think its time to just except the fact that how Katy is doing IS the new norm in this climate. People keep expecting more out of everyone, calling these pop people's sales "disappointing" (myself included) but the truth is, sales are not getting any better. Its been this way for a while now. Everybody was looking at Gaga to be the person everyone should be selling like but she's really the outlier. Kesha, Rihanna, Katy, Bruno, B.O.B,etc... pop success is now huge singles that see some international success accompanied by steady album sales that may top out at 1mil-1.5 if you are really lucky, past gold if you are decent. I mean, really, how many platinum albums will we have this year? Less than 15? And how many of them will be pop stars (as opposed to crossover/multi genre acts and/or people building off decades of hits)? Exactly. Katy is fine. So's Rih Rih for that matter. I think it is depressing to admit it but we can't expect much more from them in this climate. Its not them. Its the market IMO.
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Post by slw84 on Dec 21, 2010 21:05:37 GMT -5
Wasn't this chart posted on page 4. It was incomplete. I posted the full final chart. No big deal. OIC.
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Post by slw84 on Dec 21, 2010 21:12:41 GMT -5
I have to wonder if it says something about Katy or pop music in general though that three massive multi-format smash biggest hits of the year, massive videos, and non-stop promo will pretty much only get her platinum or MAYBE 1.5 million. Its pretty dim considering how many millions have been poured into the project. I wonder how pop music will adapt or not adapt according to new numbers that even over promoted artists with massive smashes get. IMO it's Katy...she is like Riri and Kesha where they are more singles artist. It's funny because some people don't necessarily like certain singles artists but will buy the single if they like the song. People like Beyonce, Eminem, Pink, Usher, Avril, Alicia, Justin and Britney have established fanbases where they are able to shift units. People invest into them because they like them and support their campaign. Particularly with Em, Pink, and Brit where they have proven (for various reason that we don't need to delve into) that minimal promotion and no oversaturation/tons of promo will stop them from going platinum plus with ease. Hopefully Katy will eventually become an albums artist. I like her latest one but she might end up being a more pop-oriented Riri who knows?
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Post by Caviar on Dec 21, 2010 21:14:37 GMT -5
??? RiRi is selling 350k worldwide per week? ??? Since when is RiRi urban? She has had a handfull of hits on that chart. She is a pop act. What the hell are you talking about? ???
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Post by slw84 on Dec 21, 2010 21:17:04 GMT -5
Since when is RiRi urban? She has had a handfull of hits on that chart. She is a pop act. What the hell are you talking about? ??? In the urban crowd, she is considered more pop. Mind you, she has the top two songs on either the urban/rhythmic chart but, like Beyonce and Usher, they are considered more urban pop than say Mary J., Keyshia Cole, trey songz or Maxwell
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Post by slicknickshady on Dec 21, 2010 21:27:34 GMT -5
Basically this is my view...The people who are going to sell a lot are the ones who always have sold a lot. They are the ones with the ingrained fanbase. Only once in a while does an Eminem come along and sell a lot for 11 years in a row. Tool has been around since 1992 and they still sell.
Basically it's going to remain to be tough for up and comers to break through and sell a lot. Taylor Swift is the only one recently on Eminem's level. imo. I'm far from a Taylor Swift fan but i call it like it is. Taylor is shutting the shit down. Taylor is the queen of sales while Eminem is the king of sales right now.
When will this end? Who knows. I think Eminem has another 10 years left in him. Taylor could go on forever. I just don't see 50 yr olds still rapping while i could see Taylor doing country till she's 80 and she wont have a stigma. When a Rapper get's close to 50 they just seem to get a stigma attached to them. Eminem will be 48 in ten years. Jay Z just turned 41. Sooner or later they are going to hang it up. I mean i would still buy Material from Eminem say if he was putting it out at 60 but who else would? Same with Jay. Rockers can put out music into there 70's but can rappers? Nobody has done that yet.
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