Billboard Hot 100: 03/26/2016

[Future Captain]

Mar 9, 2016 9:42:36 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Mar 9, 2016 9:40:48 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

People sick of an artist after three number-ones in a row? *Katy Perry laughs* Watch and learn, as there's nothing impossible if the label put enough effort to make a song a number-one hit :kii:

Fine, you're right about that. But the other 2 still are valid

For the other two points, I doubt they won't release a new video for it, especially if the sales happened to flatline a la In The Night and who know, maybe they have a remix in work something? If they have the chance to pump out 5 #1s or more from the album, I don't think they would miss on it in purpose (No pun intended) since in traditional album promotion cycle, Company is the third single.

[Deleted]

I think a remix of Company is probably part of the plan. I just read about how he was working with Martin Garrix.... maybe they did a remix of this song? I also think the remix will have a new video. I mean, this is the logical "what-would-broccoli-do" side of me speaking... which has clearly gotten me in trouble before.

:kii:

[MTSChart21]

Early Predictions:
1. Work (=)
2. Love Yourself (=)
3. Stressed Out (=)
4. My House (=)
5. 7 Years (+4)
6. Sorry (-1)
7. PILLOWTALK (-1)
8. Me, Myself & I (-1)
9. Cake By The Ocean (+1)
10. Hello (+1)
11. I Took A Pill In Ibiza (+3)
12. Roses (+1)
13. Hands To Myself (+2)
14. One Call Away (+2)
15. NO (Debut)
16. Down In The DM (+2)
17. Stitches (=)
18. Work From Home (-6)
19. Don't (=)
20. 2 Phones (+5)
21. Jumpman (+1)
22. Never Forget You (+12)
23. Oui (+4)
24. The Hills (-3)
25. Piece By Piece (-17)
38. Middle (+12)
61. YOUTH (-3)
71. New Romantics (Re-Entry)

[MTSChart21]

Mar 9, 2016 9:58:29 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

Mar 9, 2016 9:42:36 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Fine, you're right about that. But the other 2 still are valid

For the other two points, I doubt they won't release a new video for it, especially if the sales happened to flatline a la In The Night and who know, maybe they have a remix in work something? If they have the chance to pump out 5 #1s or more from the album, I don't think they would miss on it in purpose (No pun intended) since in traditional album promotion cycle, Company is the third single.

How would Company be the 3rd single? Which one of the first 3 don't count?

[MTSChart21]

Mar 9, 2016 10:03:00 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

I think a remix of Company is probably part of the plan. I just read about how he was working with Martin Garrix.... maybe they did a remix of this song? I also think the remix will have a new video. I mean, this is the logical "what-would-broccoli-do" side of me speaking... which has clearly gotten me in trouble before.

:kii:

I don't know why, but I have a feeling we won't get a new video or a remix (LY didn't get a remix or new video either).

[Deleted]

Mar 9, 2016 10:12:11 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Mar 9, 2016 10:03:00 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

I think a remix of Company is probably part of the plan. I just read about how he was working with Martin Garrix.... maybe they did a remix of this song? I also think the remix will have a new video. I mean, this is the logical "what-would-broccoli-do" side of me speaking... which has clearly gotten me in trouble before.

:kii:

I don't know why, but I have a feeling we won't get a new video or a remix (LY didn't get a remix or new video either).

LY also kinda just took off all on its own parallel to when Sorry was being promoted as the official single.  So the fact that Company is being announced as the 4th single prior to it being promoted suggests to me that there is a plan in place to make it successful.  And personally, I think it'll need a lot more help than any of the prior 3 hits - for various reasons - one of which is simply because it's the 4th single following 3 really big (and instant) hits.  Company is not as instant, imo, (speaking as a casual Bieber fan).  We'll see what happens.

[Deleted]

Work is down to about 83% of the sales of 7 Years. It's actually down to #3 with NO at #2 in sales (btw it looks like NO will be a smash as well based on its very steady iTunes pop bars position). 7 Years is also at #4 on Spotify and quickly gaining there too and catching up to Work (which has nowhere to go but down from its current Spotify streaming number) and I'm pretty sure something similar is happening with YouTube for the two songs. As for radio, 7 Years is still pretty far behind and of course It's not outgaining Work at the moment but I think that might change in the next couple of weeks (hopefully it can reverse course on alternative and continue gaining on triple A). It would need to well in pop, HAC and AC as well, since I doubt it'll get much traction in rhythmic. I can also see NO being a top 10 hit easily, with a shot at top 5.

[Future Captain]

Mar 9, 2016 10:10:31 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Mar 9, 2016 9:58:29 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

For the other two points, I doubt they won't release a new video for it, especially if the sales happened to flatline a la In The Night and who know, maybe they have a remix in work something? If they have the chance to pump out 5 #1s or more from the album, I don't think they would miss on it in purpose (No pun intended) since in traditional album promotion cycle, Company is the third single.

How would Company be the 3rd single? Which one of the first 3 don't count?

I'm talking in a traditional promotion schedule-wise. Love Yourself and Sorry happened on top of each other, so schedule-wise, both are lumped as second single, but they're still two singles. Think CFMF and The Hills.

[MTSChart21]

Mar 9, 2016 10:32:36 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

Mar 9, 2016 10:10:31 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

How would Company be the 3rd single? Which one of the first 3 don't count?

I'm talking in a traditional promotion schedule-wise. Love Yourself and Sorry happened on top of each other, so schedule-wise, both are lumped as second single, but they're still two singles. Think CFMF and The Hills.

Ohhh

[elementd5]

Mar 9, 2016 9:42:36 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Mar 9, 2016 9:40:48 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

People sick of an artist after three number-ones in a row? *Katy Perry laughs* Watch and learn, as there's nothing impossible if the label put enough effort to make a song a number-one hit :kii:

Fine, you're right about that. But the other 2 still are valid

Company is so catchy & breezy. Perfect spring hook-up song

[MTSChart21]

Mar 9, 2016 14:22:06 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Mar 9, 2016 9:42:36 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Fine, you're right about that. But the other 2 still are valid

Company is so catchy & breezy. Perfect spring hook-up song

I love that song, but I'm not sure if pop radio will

[badrobot]

Broccoli - sorry to keep ribbing you, it's meant with affection. You're a smart fella and one of the highlights of this board.

[Deleted]

Mar 9, 2016 14:49:19 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Broccoli - sorry to keep ribbing you, it's meant with affection. You're a smart fella and one of the highlights of this board.

I've taken your ribbing in jest - and thank you for the kind words. 

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Katy Perry didn't deserve most of those #1's in my opinion, technology and digital sales make it easier for any artist to hit #1 several times, especially based on marketability. Now Michael Jackson is a more better example of an artist that get several #1s off an album, and he did it on merit alone.

[Glove Slap]

Mar 9, 2016 18:46:33 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

Katy Perry didn't deserve most of those #1's in my opinion, technology and digital sales make it easier for any artist to hit #1 several times, especially based on marketability. Now Michael Jackson is a more better example of an artist that get several #1s off an album, and he did it on merit alone.

LMAO no. You tried and bombed. It is well known that payola was used during the Bad campaign. Dirty Diana in particular was the weakest #1 points wise for the entire 1980s.

[Deleted]

not taking a fan's opinion seriously, so it doesn't matter, so my opinion stands. Not paying any attention to this nonsense.

[lyhom]

Mar 9, 2016 19:54:53 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

not taking a fan's opinion seriously, so it doesn't matter, my opinion stands. Not paying any attention to this nonsense.

lol so you're seriously dismissing it just because glove slap's a katy perry fan? ok

[wjr15]

Mar 9, 2016 19:04:26 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

Mar 9, 2016 18:46:33 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

Katy Perry didn't deserve most of those #1's in my opinion, technology and digital sales make it easier for any artist to hit #1 several times, especially based on marketability. Now Michael Jackson is a more better example of an artist that get several #1s off an album, and he did it on merit alone.

LMAO no. You tried and bombed. It is well known that payola was used during the Bad campaign. Dirty Diana in particular was the weakest #1 points wise for the entire 1980s.

I completely agree. It's impossible for any album to get 5 #1 singles without some sort of help (payola, remixes, discounts, viral video, etc.), and Michael is no exception.

[85la]

Mar 9, 2016 19:04:26 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

Mar 9, 2016 18:46:33 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

Katy Perry didn't deserve most of those #1's in my opinion, technology and digital sales make it easier for any artist to hit #1 several times, especially based on marketability. Now Michael Jackson is a more better example of an artist that get several #1s off an album, and he did it on merit alone.

LMAO no. You tried and bombed. It is well known that payola was used during the Bad campaign. Dirty Diana in particular was the weakest #1 points wise for the entire 1980s.

Yeah, I've always found it somewhat suspicious that the #1's from Bad peaked very quickly and had short chart spans, but I've never heard of the payola. Do you have any sources for this?

[felipe]

Mar 9, 2016 9:17:10 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Had they put out a WWWY video the week of the Grammys and had she performed it on the Grammys it would have at LEAST spent a week or so in the top 5. It's hard to argue with her video streaming power potential. If anyone honestly thinks WWWY wouldn't have had a BIG bump from the combination of those two things - then we'll have to agree to disagree. I recognize that the song ultimately didn't connect on its own as they may have hoped, but it also needed some support a la a video... and a moment - a moment that they never gave it during its main promotional period as a single. It was RIGHT THERE below smash hit level and they dropped the ball - intentionally or otherwise.

I was a big champion for the song and made it clear for awhile that I believed they had a plan for it beyond, well, a post-Grammy performance on Ellen - but alas I was wrong. I'm getting crap for it ever since - it's all good. That's all I'll say about WWWY.  But feel free to keep bringing it up.



Hello was a monster - and its success isn't going to be repeated again this era. That said, I think there are some hits left on 25. I just hope that the above scenario didn't kill some of her momentum. I trust that a great song will do well regardless, and she's got a few great ones left to release. Come what may. The mixing up songs to perform during the album promo has definitely worked for album sales - but I fear it has caused some issues with the singles aspect - but clearly her and her team are not pressed about this - nor should they be really. Just as a fan and a chart watcher, it would be nice to have a comparable showing on the singles chart for a such a huge album.

Just to be clear, my post was not directed at you, I was just speaking in general as I recall several people claiming WWWY would be #1, nobody specific.

And yeah, I do agree the song would've had a higher peak with bigger promo. And even #1 was not impossible, as they could always put her on every single show on TV, discount the single and release a remix - there are ways to get to #1 when you have enough money and we know it. What I meant is, unless they tried really hard and made the song inescapable, I just didn't see it becoming a hit. The songs on 21 were so catchy, and audiences connected so much, that some of them became big hits without music videos, radio deals or TV performances. I don't see it happening for any of the songs on 25.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 9, 2016 21:18:39 GMT -5 85la said:

Mar 9, 2016 19:04:26 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

LMAO no. You tried and bombed. It is well known that payola was used during the Bad campaign. Dirty Diana in particular was the weakest #1 points wise for the entire 1980s.

Yeah, I've always found it somewhat suspicious that the #1's from Bad peaked very quickly and had short chart spans, but I've never heard of the payola. Do you have any sources for this?

This claim is news to me, too, but would explain why Bad sold so poorly (relatively) considering the blockbuster album it followed and that it had so many #1 singles. I mean, look at how 25 has sold despite album sales being so low, 21 selling less than Thriller, and 25 only having 1 real hit to this point. Bad should have at least sold 10 million in the U.S., if not more.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I assume what is meant is that every song has different reasons for being #1, many of which are questioned for their legitimacy.

[felipe]

Mar 9, 2016 21:43:13 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mar 9, 2016 21:18:39 GMT -5 85la said:

Yeah, I've always found it somewhat suspicious that the #1's from Bad peaked very quickly and had short chart spans, but I've never heard of the payola. Do you have any sources for this?

This claim is news to me, too, but would explain why Bad sold so poorly (relatively) considering the blockbuster album it followed and that it had so many #1 singles. I mean, look at how 25 has sold despite album sales being so low, 21 selling less than Thriller, and 25 only having 1 real hit to this point. Bad should have at least sold 10 million in the U.S., if not more.

Do you guys know how had Thriller had already sold by the time Bad was released? What could account for such a big drop from Thriller to Bad in your opinion?

[Glove Slap]

Mar 9, 2016 19:54:53 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

not taking a fan's opinion seriously, so it doesn't matter, so my opinion stands. Not paying any attention to this nonsense.

This makes no goddamn sense. This line of perception is wack and suspended from reality.

Payola was a lot more rampant in the old way it used to be done with people submitting reports. Chart manipulation was far more common than believed. Additionally, Bad's #1s overall weren't all strong in terms of their overall runs. On top of that, it was during this time that Sony's leadership was reshuffling when Tommy Mottola was brought in and one of the first things they did was re-kick the album campaign. You can deny it out of sheer will, but the writing's on the wall. It's also by far not the only such example.

[Verisimilitude]

Which explains why that album had 9 singles. A million units for each single released.

[forg]

When We Were Young peaked at #14, too bad. I was also confident it really had a shot for 1 or at least top 5 but it's now falling fast in airplay and sales, streaming didn't work as well. I also feel Hello might be the only single success for 25 as I think WWWY may have stalled the momentum but I hope they try a 3rd single and give it some promo, 25 album sales are now in line with the today's sales climate so another single success could keep it steady on a higher level.

As for Work, i understand it's not popular here but when I first heard it, I knew it will be a hit just on the hook alone although I didn't think it would be #1 that fast and command a big lead right it is doing right now.

7 Years success in the US really surprised me, didn't think it would connect in the US like it did in other countries

[Push The Button]

Mar 9, 2016 19:54:53 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

not taking a fan's opinion seriously, so it doesn't matter, so my opinion stands. Not paying any attention to this nonsense.

He's 100% correct though, and I hate Katy Perry.

[Ravi]

Mar 9, 2016 10:09:21 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Early Predictions:
1. Work (=)
2. Love Yourself (=)
3. Stressed Out (=)
4. My House (=)
5. 7 Years (+4)
6. Sorry (-1)
7. PILLOWTALK (-1)
8. Me, Myself & I (-1)
9. Cake By The Ocean (+1)
10. Hello (+1)
11. I Took A Pill In Ibiza (+3)
12. Roses (+1)
13. Hands To Myself (+2)
14. One Call Away (+2)
15. NO (Debut)
16. Down In The DM (+2)
17. Stitches (=)
18. Work From Home (-6)
19. Don't (=)
20. 2 Phones (+5)
21. Jumpman (+1)
22. Never Forget You (+12)
23. Oui (+4)
24. The Hills (-3)
25. Piece By Piece (-17)
38. Middle (+12)
61. YOUTH (-3)
71. New Romantics (Re-Entry)

Mostly agree..... except that I think ITAPII will likely jump ahead of Hello and grab the #10 spot.

[Mike is BAD]

I kinda agree with istravi. It WILL be extremely close between Hello and ITAPII! Also, how is istravi NOT a Platinum Member yet? He really deserves it!

[Az Paynter]

Itsravi hasn't posted enough to be a Platinum member, those rankings are determined by post count. He's got a long way to go to get there.