Billboard Hot 100: 05/21/2016 (One Dance #1!)

[Deleted]

Way to get that lofty re-entry, My Boo.

[lyhom]

whoa I was expecting "my boo" to re-enter, but I never would have expected it to get a new peak this week

[Ky]

May 10, 2016 9:25:12 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Way to get that lofty re-entry, My Boo.

With a new peak at that! Former peak was #31. It looks like it's actually going to hang around a bit too. With it's spotify updates, they should go ahead and give it a push at radio.

[Verisimilitude]

LMAO at "My Boo" reaching a new peak! The legacy of some urban songs will never die.

[Golden Bluebird]

Also, I just realized that Chris Brown is nowhere to be found on this week's Hot 100, putting an end to (and correct me if I'm wrong here) Chris Brown's 3-year-long presence on the Hot 100.

[Mike is BAD]

May 10, 2016 14:05:05 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Also, I just realized that Chris Brown is nowhere to be found on this week's Hot 100, putting an end to (and correct me if I'm wrong here) Chris Brown's 3-year-long presence on the Hot 100.

Back To Sleep is gone!

[Zach]

May 10, 2016 14:05:05 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Also, I just realized that Chris Brown is nowhere to be found on this week's Hot 100, putting an end to (and correct me if I'm wrong here) Chris Brown's 3-year-long presence on the Hot 100.

He was on the chart unbroken for that long? Wow thank goodness that's over.

[thabb]

May 9, 2016 21:14:53 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

May 9, 2016 20:08:06 GMT -5 thabb said:

adding onto the whole recurrent discussion, I feel like they should just straight up REMOVE recurrent rules. a song will stay on the chart as much as it needs to, stop trying to curve it

No, that would be an absolutely horrible move. I'm going to copy one of my old posts here to explain why.

The Hot 100 is supposed to show the top 100 revenue generating songs, in relation to each other, and it is meant to be a tool for labels to read the success of their releases in that same relation as well. Having 15-25 old songs on the chart goes against that. Labels strongly benefit from seeing their songs enter various charts. Especially for new acts, it's helpful as they try to grow their presence. Additionally, it's a tool for planning resource management. Songs that have more potential and inching higher are ones that could have possibility to go much further if the opportunity is seized. If there are 20 other old songs on the chart, ones that are not being promoted any longer holding the current single lower or off the chart, there is no real benefit to anyone. The removal of the song by Billboard allows the label to have the opportunity to showcase another release, while still getting residual income from the previous one.

Now if a song is being actively pushed and has charted for more than 20 weeks, that's a different issue, but it is one which is addressed by the exception that allows re-entry if they're gaining on formats.

says who?

[missgenericnickname]

May 9, 2016 17:26:12 GMT -5 Mike is BAD said:

The only Prince songs that I think are staying on the Hot 100 are Purple Rain and When Doves Cry. If one of the two drops out, we have a broken record for highest drop out.

.....The drops for these were nasty as f*ck. Understandable, but nasty as f*ck

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

May 10, 2016 17:36:20 GMT -5 thabb said:

May 9, 2016 21:14:53 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

No, that would be an absolutely horrible move. I'm going to copy one of my old posts here to explain why.

The Hot 100 is supposed to show the top 100 revenue generating songs, in relation to each other, and it is meant to be a tool for labels to read the success of their releases in that same relation as well. Having 15-25 old songs on the chart goes against that. Labels strongly benefit from seeing their songs enter various charts. Especially for new acts, it's helpful as they try to grow their presence. Additionally, it's a tool for planning resource management. Songs that have more potential and inching higher are ones that could have possibility to go much further if the opportunity is seized. If there are 20 other old songs on the chart, ones that are not being promoted any longer holding the current single lower or off the chart, there is no real benefit to anyone. The removal of the song by Billboard allows the label to have the opportunity to showcase another release, while still getting residual income from the previous one.

Now if a song is being actively pushed and has charted for more than 20 weeks, that's a different issue, but it is one which is addressed by the exception that allows re-entry if they're gaining on formats.

says who?

What? That's the entire basis for any charts?

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

May 10, 2016 17:02:28 GMT -5 Zach said:

May 10, 2016 14:05:05 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Also, I just realized that Chris Brown is nowhere to be found on this week's Hot 100, putting an end to (and correct me if I'm wrong here) Chris Brown's 3-year-long presence on the Hot 100.

He was on the chart unbroken for that long? Wow thank goodness that's over.

I think Drake is currently on a longer streak, but im not sure.

[thabb]

May 10, 2016 17:58:21 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

May 10, 2016 17:36:20 GMT -5 thabb said:

says who?

What? That's the entire basis for any charts?

doesn't the UK have like, NO recurrent rules?

(edit: I've realised I've bolded the wrong part, whoops! )

[ry4n]

The UK also doesn't include airplay in their charts. You can't really compare the two.

[thabb]

May 10, 2016 18:19:05 GMT -5 ry4n said:

The UK also doesn't include airplay in their charts. You can't really compare the two.

the UK charts have also been slower because of streaming's involvement in the charts/streaming's growth in the UK. songs are going #1 longer, there are not that many new entries nowadays, the UK charts are almost as slow as the hot 100 now. I mean it has always been a bit slow but it's slowing down a little more now afaik

[Glove Slap]

May 10, 2016 17:36:20 GMT -5 thabb said:

May 9, 2016 21:14:53 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

No, that would be an absolutely horrible move. I'm going to copy one of my old posts here to explain why.

The Hot 100 is supposed to show the top 100 revenue generating songs, in relation to each other, and it is meant to be a tool for labels to read the success of their releases in that same relation as well. Having 15-25 old songs on the chart goes against that. Labels strongly benefit from seeing their songs enter various charts. Especially for new acts, it's helpful as they try to grow their presence. Additionally, it's a tool for planning resource management. Songs that have more potential and inching higher are ones that could have possibility to go much further if the opportunity is seized. If there are 20 other old songs on the chart, ones that are not being promoted any longer holding the current single lower or off the chart, there is no real benefit to anyone. The removal of the song by Billboard allows the label to have the opportunity to showcase another release, while still getting residual income from the previous one.

Now if a song is being actively pushed and has charted for more than 20 weeks, that's a different issue, but it is one which is addressed by the exception that allows re-entry if they're gaining on formats.

says who?

Says logic? Critical thinking? Common sense?

The Hot 100 was created to be an industry tool to measure success. People wanting longer chart runs for their favorite songs is beyond trivial. 

The comparison of the Hot 100 to [insert UK/EU chart here] is also trivial. Those charts were sales charts that ultimately evolved, and even then they weren't created with the industry in mind like the Hot 100, and they also weren't created for markets as complex as the US.

[Your Faves Fave.]

May 10, 2016 9:43:22 GMT -5 Verisimilitude said:

LMAO at "My Boo" reaching a new peak! The legacy of some urban songs will never die.

Some of these children think it's a new song. You don't know how many folks I have heard say "oh this sounds like Ciara's Body Party" LOL.

[thabb]

May 10, 2016 19:05:22 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

May 10, 2016 17:36:20 GMT -5 thabb said:

says who?

Says logic? Critical thinking? Common sense?

The Hot 100 was created to be an industry tool to measure success. People wanting longer chart runs for their favorite songs is beyond trivial. 

The comparison of the Hot 100 to [insert UK/EU chart here] is also trivial. Those charts were sales charts that ultimately evolved, and even then they weren't created with the industry in mind like the Hot 100, and they also weren't created for markets as complex as the US.

idk who you're talking about/talking to but that's certainly not me. I just don't want recurrent rules in general.

aren't you measuring success of a single (or measuring success in general) by not including recurrent rules? setting up a recurrent system just curves the charts and drops out songs that are still popular prematurely just so newer songs can get a free pass into the charts.

and why should we have the industry in mind to a point where we have recurrent rules? the hot 100 (more like music charts in general) is to measure popularity ACCORDING TO THE PEOPLE, not to curve the charts by dropping out "old" songs in favour of newer singles because "hurr the industry!!!!11"

just saying on a mostly unrelated note, but the first line of your post kinda read out a bit rudely

[thabb]

anyway, amidst this discussion, I'd like to take a moment to congratulate my 90's r&b jam, "my boo", and its reaching a new peak! a dance trend I actually accept!

[Glove Slap]

Your point is incredibly trivial though. It doesn't matter what "you" as in a single individual looking at the charts want. The Hot 100 was created as an industry tool, not for public entertainment. Of course it should be generated with the industry in mind.

The recurrent system benefits those labels making money off the songs because once they're done pumping money into those songs, they move onto managing their other releases. Regardless of whether the song continues to chart after or not, they're done investing in it from their end and have moved on. It's meant to be a guiding tool that evolves with the times, not some holier than thou thing. In an age when streaming can really slow turnover (and it will swing towards how it was a few months back gradually as that component continues to grow), even as labels are looking to redirect resources to the next potential source of success, it is especially important to have recurrent rules to keep it efficient as a guiding tool.

It's not hard to understand.

[DJ General]

Not sure why they waited so long to do the video for one Dance, but it was only filmed this weekend according to drake so who knows when it will drop unless its something super simple they gonna rush out

[thabb]

May 10, 2016 19:52:49 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

Your point is incredibly trivial though. It doesn't matter what "you" as in a single individual looking at the charts want. The Hot 100 was created as an industry tool, not for public entertainment. Of course it should be generated with the industry in mind.

The recurrent system benefits those labels making money off the songs because once they're done pumping money into those songs, they move onto managing their other releases. Regardless of whether the song continues to chart after or not, they're done investing in it from their end and have moved on. It's meant to be a guiding tool that evolves with the times, not some holier than thou thing. In an age when streaming can really slow turnover (and it will swing towards how it was a few months back gradually as that component continues to grow), even as labels are looking to redirect resources to the next potential source of success, it is especially important to have recurrent rules to keep it efficient as a guiding tool.

It's not hard to understand.

I never really meant it was for "public entertainment" but sure. nor did I ever say that it really matters what I want.

and I don't know what you mean by "'holier than thou' thing". please elaborate, thanks

I still am against recurrent rules, but, maybe billboard can make recurrent rules a little bit less problematic (see: last week where multiple songs went prematurely recurrent because of all of the prince and beyoncé songs). maybe if they fixed some things around I'd be fine with it. I still am against recurrent rules, though

edit: and please quote me next time. I had 0 idea that you had responded to me

[ry4n]

May 10, 2016 18:27:58 GMT -5 thabb said:

May 10, 2016 18:19:05 GMT -5 ry4n said:

The UK also doesn't include airplay in their charts. You can't really compare the two.

the UK charts have also been slower because of streaming's involvement in the charts/streaming's growth in the UK. songs are going #1 longer, there are not that many new entries nowadays, the UK charts are almost as slow as the hot 100 now. I mean it has always been a bit slow but it's slowing down a little more now afaik

That's true, but the UK charts just aren't a very good comparison. Especially when you consider how they used to operate before autumn of last year (ie. single releases being held back for like 2 months to make them debut as high as possible). The UK viewed their charts as more of a weekly sports competition, and the Hot 100 has never been that.

[thabb]

May 10, 2016 20:17:40 GMT -5 ry4n said:

May 10, 2016 18:27:58 GMT -5 thabb said:

the UK charts have also been slower because of streaming's involvement in the charts/streaming's growth in the UK. songs are going #1 longer, there are not that many new entries nowadays, the UK charts are almost as slow as the hot 100 now. I mean it has always been a bit slow but it's slowing down a little more now afaik

That's true, but the UK charts just aren't a very good comparison. Especially when you consider how they used to operate before autumn of last year (ie. single releases being held back for like 2 months to make them debut as high as possible). The UK viewed their charts as more of a weekly sports competition, and the Hot 100 has never been that.

really? teach me something! yasss!

[pnobelysk]

There's a decent chance that without drakes album dropping this past week Justin could've potentially broken the record for biggest jump on the hot 100

[85la]

May 10, 2016 19:35:31 GMT -5 Your Faves Fave. said:

May 10, 2016 9:43:22 GMT -5 Verisimilitude said:

LMAO at "My Boo" reaching a new peak! The legacy of some urban songs will never die.

Some of these children think it's a new song. You don't know how many folks I have heard say "oh this sounds like Ciara's Body Party" LOL.

Well I didn't think it was a completely new song, but I first thought it was the Usher and Alicia song, so maybe I am kind of a child then! So what is this 90s version then, and why is it re-charting?

Also, I don't think Billboard has mentioned this yet, but with WizKid being featured on One Dance, is this the first time an Afrobeat artist has hit #1, or an African artist in general? Seems pretty cool.

[allow that]

I don't know about Africa as a whole, but WizKid is supposedly the first ever artist from Nigeria to appear on the Hot 100 at all.

[Juanca]

If we are including members of groups, Freddie Mercury has been in #1 with Queen before...

[thabb]

May 10, 2016 22:35:09 GMT -5 85la said:

May 10, 2016 19:35:31 GMT -5 Your Faves Fave. said:

Some of these children think it's a new song. You don't know how many folks I have heard say "oh this sounds like Ciara's Body Party" LOL.

Well I didn't think it was a completely new song, but I first thought it was the Usher and Alicia song, so maybe I am kind of a child then! So what is this 90s version then, and why is it re-charting?

this "90s version" is actually its own thing. My Boo is a song from this really obscure band called ghost town DJs. they released one single for this So So Def Records's compilation album "So So Def Bass All Stars". they never released a single after My Boo, apparently.

it got sampled in body party, then some people started to listen to it. it became a little bit of a new presence but it wasn't really at the forefront til now.

this is all I know about my boo tbh.

[Caviar]

May 11, 2016 9:53:13 GMT -5 thabb said:

May 10, 2016 22:35:09 GMT -5 85la said:

Well I didn't think it was a completely new song, but I first thought it was the Usher and Alicia song, so maybe I am kind of a child then! So what is this 90s version then, and why is it re-charting?

this "90s version" is actually its own thing. My Boo is a song from this really obscure band called ghost town DJs. they released one single for this So So Def Records's compilation album "So So Def Bass All Stars". they never released a single after My Boo, apparently.

it got sampled in body party, then some people started to listen to it. it became a little bit of a new presence but it wasn't really at the forefront til now.

this is all I know about my boo tbh.

Mariah sampled it on "H.A.T.E U" Remix back in 2009 and that was probably the first time I'd heard it since the early 2000s.

[Sherane Lamar]

May 11, 2016 9:53:13 GMT -5 thabb said:

May 10, 2016 22:35:09 GMT -5 85la said:

Well I didn't think it was a completely new song, but I first thought it was the Usher and Alicia song, so maybe I am kind of a child then! So what is this 90s version then, and why is it re-charting?

this "90s version" is actually its own thing. My Boo is a song from this really obscure band called ghost town DJs. they released one single for this So So Def Records's compilation album "So So Def Bass All Stars". they never released a single after My Boo, apparently.

it got sampled in body party, then some people started to listen to it. it became a little bit of a new presence but it wasn't really at the forefront til now.

this is all I know about my boo tbh.

My Boo can't be that obscure if it already spent 32 something weeks on the Hot 100. 

But I don't think I had ever heard it before. Other than in Body Party. I had to look it up on "WhoSampled" or whatever it's called. Because I knew it sounded familiar. 

I also think it sounds a lot like whatever R&B song was kanyefied for Game's "100".