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Post by Golden Bluebird on May 9, 2016 14:53:42 GMT -5
If "Can't Stop the Feeling" debuts at #1 next week, then that would make it Justin Timberlake's fifth #1 hit (sixth, if you want to count his work as part of NSYNC) in Hot 100 history.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 9, 2016 15:02:09 GMT -5
Mostly I just don't understand why, when Billboard has made the distinction of lead and feature on plenty of chart stats including this latest one, and when they don't give full chart points on a collaboration as you mention, they have never mentioned the distinction for Rihanna's #1s.They have and do. Here's an example from when WMN hit #1 in 2010: "What's My Name?" marks Rihanna's eighth career Hot 100 No. 1 and third this year. She previously reigned in 2010 with "Rude Boy" (five weeks, beginning in March) and as a guest on Eminem's "Love the Way You Lie" (seven weeks, starting in July).
Rihanna is the first artist to score a trio of Hot 100 leaders in a year since she achieved the feat in 2008, when she ruled with her own "Take a Bow" and "Disturbia" and added vocals to T.I.'s "Live Your Life."______________________________________ and an excerpt from when Diamonds went #1: Here is a recap of Rihanna's dozen dominators on the Hot 100:
2006, "SOS" (three weeks at No. 1)
2007," Umbrella," featuring Jay-Z (seven)
2008, "Take a Bow" (one)
2008, "Disturbia" (two)
2008, "Live Your Life" (T.I. featuring Rihanna) (six)
2010, "Rude Boy" (five)
2010, "Love the Way You Lie" (Eminem featuring Rihanna) (seven)
2010, "What's My Name?," featuring Drake (one)
2010, "Only Girl (In the World)" (one)
2011, "S&M," featuring Britney Spears (one)
2011, "We Found Love," featuring Calvin Harris (10)
2012, "Diamonds" (one to date)
_________________________________________ Looking at a couple weekly write-ups for "Work", they're more focused on listing where she is on the all-time leaderboard, not an individual list of her #1 songs like above. They do however mention her Eminem features in the text part of the write up below the artist ranking. To me those things you point out aren't the same as the notation Billboard/Trust made re: Drake and Lil Wayne, nor are they the same as when Billboard made this distinction with a Nicki Minaj record: To that end, Billboard/Trust should be saying that Rihanna is 1 behind Madonna in terms of #1s for females as a lead artist (for example). |
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Post by wavey. on May 9, 2016 15:06:20 GMT -5
Drizzy Drake boy! Look at Rih just slaying also.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 15:06:30 GMT -5
jenglisbe I suppose it comes down to space and what else is going on. if you think it's some kind of weird favoritism or deceit, maybe write them an email? not sure what to tell you there.
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Post by Dylan :) on May 9, 2016 15:08:53 GMT -5
Did Justin debut based on airplay? Nope |
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Post by renfield75 on May 9, 2016 15:21:09 GMT -5
If Justin enters at #1 next week it will be 2016's 7th song to reach #1. By comparison, 2015 had a total of 8 #1 hits for the ENTIRE YEAR. I love this turnover! It keeps things fresh and interesting.
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Post by Caviar on May 9, 2016 15:30:29 GMT -5
Hopefully "Needed Me" can jump into the top 10 then Rihanna will have THREE top 10s hits simultaneously. "Work" is holding up well.
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Post by Gary on May 9, 2016 15:32:26 GMT -5
Also notably: the Glee cast showed as the lead act on all 207 of its Hot 100 entries and Presley was the lead on all 108 of his. In an era in which featured rappers are commonplace, Lil Wayne has been the lead act on 46 of his Hot 100 hits (35 percent) and Drake has been the lead on 78 of his (63 percent). 1. Considering the Glee songs were sung by a different array of lead singers, I find this to be an odd distinction. 2. Having said that, I like the general distinction and wonder why they haven't mentioned it in relation to Rihanna's #1s. As to point 1:
Glee is/was an ensemble with rotating vocalists
All Glee chart entries were credited to either "Glee Cast" or "Glee Cast featuring...the flavor of the week"
As to point 2:
General statistics and how they present them are left to the writer. If Billboard neglects a statistic in a given week or fails to report it in a certain way that pleases some of its readers, that does not mean that it never happened.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 9, 2016 15:54:11 GMT -5
Does Billboard often interpret their own stats and figures when presenting them? Or is that interpretation left up to the reader? I find when it comes to things like lead vs. featuring and most charting songs in a week ever, they tend to simply present the facts and leave it up to the reader to decide what to do with it - (in most cases, slam Billboard and music today and say Drake and Bieber should never be compared to "real artists" like the Beatles. Pop music sux!)
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Post by Zeebz on May 9, 2016 16:21:18 GMT -5
Wow at Drake! :o
Loving the turnover this year! Also, the number ones this year are SO much better than last year's. "One Dance" and "Work" are my favorite number ones in years.
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Post by badrobot on May 9, 2016 16:22:51 GMT -5
Since they've made the move to include recurrent songs if they re-enter the top 50, it seems that the list is more song-based (as opposed to "single-based", which means less and less every year)... but a part of me really wishes there was a clear way to distinguish "promoted singles" from all these album cuts.
I do wonder if eventually we'll have a scenario where streaming will be so prominent that a new album like Drake's could actually flood the whole top ten of the chart, rather than mostly impacting outside the top 20.
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Post by renfield75 on May 9, 2016 16:32:47 GMT -5
I do wonder if eventually we'll have a scenario where streaming will be so prominent that a new album like Drake's could actually flood the whole top ten of the chart, rather than mostly impacting outside the top 20. I think that is inevitable at this point. Streaming is the future and hot artists, already seeing every album cut chart, will eventually dominate the top ten/twenty. And people will scream that it's not the same as the Beatles owning the top 5 in 1964 (which it's not, but having the entire top ten from streaming would still be pretty damn impressive). |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 9, 2016 16:54:55 GMT -5
1. Considering the Glee songs were sung by a different array of lead singers, I find this to be an odd distinction. 2. Having said that, I like the general distinction and wonder why they haven't mentioned it in relation to Rihanna's #1s. As to point 1:
Glee is/was an ensemble with rotating vocalists
All Glee chart entries were credited to either "Glee Cast" or "Glee Cast featuring...the flavor of the week"
As to point 2:
General statistics and how they present them are left to the writer. If Billboard neglects a statistic in a given week or fails to report it in a certain way that pleases some of its readers, that does not mean that it never happened.
I'm not an idiot. I understand all of that. My point is that to say "Glee cast" is a bit broad, even if it's the technical credit. When you look across all of the Glee songs, there were a bunch of different singers...and many of them aren't on the same songs at all. It would be akin to all of Mariah's hits, all of Celine's hits, and all of Whitney's hits charting under the credit '90s Divas.' I was simply making an observation that it's funny that Billboard/Trust noted the feature thing in regards to Lil Wayne and Draye, yet didn't note that 'Glee cast' is overly broad when you look at the actual artists on the songs. At least Drake is actually on all of his charted songs, even if some are as a featured artist. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 9, 2016 16:58:17 GMT -5
Since they've made the move to include recurrent songs if they re-enter the top 50, it seems that the list is more song-based (as opposed to "single-based", which means less and less every year)... but a part of me really wishes there was a clear way to distinguish "promoted singles" from all these album cuts. These days, the "single" has become a pretty general thing with promo singles, pre-album singles, radio-only, video-only, etc. I think the emphasis put on singles is less than it has ever been. As to point 1:
Glee is/was an ensemble with rotating vocalists
All Glee chart entries were credited to either "Glee Cast" or "Glee Cast featuring...the flavor of the week"
As to point 2:
General statistics and how they present them are left to the writer. If Billboard neglects a statistic in a given week or fails to report it in a certain way that pleases some of its readers, that does not mean that it never happened.
I'm not an idiot. I understand all of that. My point is that to say "Glee cast" is a bit broad, even if it's the technical credit. When you look across all of the Glee songs, there were a bunch of different singers...and many of them aren't on the same songs at all. It would be akin to all of Mariah's hits, all of Celine's hits, and all of Whitney's hits charting under the credit '90s Divas.' I was simply making an observation that it's funny that Billboard/Trust noted the feature thing in regards to Lil Wayne and Draye, yet didn't note that 'Glee cast' is overly broad when you look at the actual artists on the songs. At least Drake is actually on all of his charted songs, even if some are as a featured artist. What about bands whose lineups have changed over the years? |
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Post by Mike is BAD on May 9, 2016 17:26:12 GMT -5
The only Prince songs that I think are staying on the Hot 100 are Purple Rain and When Doves Cry. If one of the two drops out, we have a broken record for highest drop out. The previous high was #9, "We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow" by Soko (?) in 2014. Anyways, Hello won't re-enter because of Drake and Beyoncé. 32 total songs I believe. Hoping "You Don't Own Me" re-enters and "Don't Mind" debuts.
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Post by THINKIN BOUT YOU on May 9, 2016 17:33:19 GMT -5
Since they've made the move to include recurrent songs if they re-enter the top 50. What??????!! What do you mean? Hello's gonna enter again?? When did they allow songs to reenter that easily? |
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Post by Mayman on May 9, 2016 17:53:11 GMT -5
The only Prince songs that I think are staying on the Hot 100 are Purple Rain and When Doves Cry. If one of the two drops out, we have a broken record for highest drop out. The previous high was #9, "We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow" by Soko (?) in 2014. Anyways, Hello won't re-enter because of Drake and Beyoncé. 32 total songs I believe. Hoping "You Don't Own Me" re-enters and "Don't Mind" debuts. Not all of Drake and Beyonce's songs are in the top 50. Songs can only reenter (if they are recurrent) if they are above top 50 and still making gains. |
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Post by badrobot on May 9, 2016 18:28:52 GMT -5
Since they've made the move to include recurrent songs if they re-enter the top 50. What??????!! What do you mean? Hello's gonna enter again?? When did they allow songs to reenter that easily? Apparently that should be clarified as "if they're making gains" -- I imagine that means if Hello got attached to some kind of viral video it could re-enter. It happened to Uptown Funk very recently as well, although it had a higher threshold since it had been on the chart over 52 weeks. . |
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Post by Kris on May 9, 2016 19:38:42 GMT -5
It disappoints me that a song that sold 125k is only #20
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Post by thabb on May 9, 2016 20:08:06 GMT -5
adding onto the whole recurrent discussion, I feel like they should just straight up REMOVE recurrent rules. a song will stay on the chart as much as it needs to, stop trying to curve it
anyway, congrats drake
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Post by karofsky on May 9, 2016 20:12:09 GMT -5
drake... you win
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 20:22:35 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what happens when Panda and One Dance release their respective videos - especially if its in the same week. I reckon Drake would have the fanbase advantage, but still.
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Post by Glove Slap on May 9, 2016 21:14:53 GMT -5
adding onto the whole recurrent discussion, I feel like they should just straight up REMOVE recurrent rules. a song will stay on the chart as much as it needs to, stop trying to curve it No, that would be an absolutely horrible move. I'm going to copy one of my old posts here to explain why. The Hot 100 is supposed to show the top 100 revenue generating songs, in relation to each other, and it is meant to be a tool for labels to read the success of their releases in that same relation as well. Having 15-25 old songs on the chart goes against that. Labels strongly benefit from seeing their songs enter various charts. Especially for new acts, it's helpful as they try to grow their presence. Additionally, it's a tool for planning resource management. Songs that have more potential and inching higher are ones that could have possibility to go much further if the opportunity is seized. If there are 20 other old songs on the chart, ones that are not being promoted any longer holding the current single lower or off the chart, there is no real benefit to anyone. The removal of the song by Billboard allows the label to have the opportunity to showcase another release, while still getting residual income from the previous one. Now if a song is being actively pushed and has charted for more than 20 weeks, that's a different issue, but it is one which is addressed by the exception that allows re-entry if they're gaining on formats. |
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Post by THINKIN BOUT YOU on May 9, 2016 21:20:36 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what happens when Panda and One Dance release their respective videos - especially if its in the same week. I reckon Drake would have the fanbase advantage, but still. Any news on the release dates? |
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Post by popstop on May 9, 2016 22:00:01 GMT -5
I am not sure where else to post this, but it's so cool I think it's worth sharing. This is an animated visual of the Hot 100 top 5, which shows songs climbing/falling over time: polygraph.cool/history/My entertainment for this entire evening. I love watching how songs in the 70s move wildly up and down and you barely hear any of the #1s, and then the 90s are so slow moving. Watching How Do I Live chillax for about a half a year in the top five was amusing. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 9, 2016 22:20:30 GMT -5
What about bands whose lineups have changed over the years? Very few if any bands have completely changed their line-up, and even for the ones that have we are talking like 2 different line-ups. Glee has well over 5 completely different 'line-ups.' What band can compare to the differences in these Glee chart entries? "Don't Stop Believin'" - sung by Lea Michele and Cory Monteith "Teenage Dream" - sung by Darren Criss/Beezlebubs "Toxic" - sunf by Dianna Agron, Heather Morris, Naya Rivera "I Want To Hold Your Hand" - sung by Chris Colfer "And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going" - sung by Amber Riley There are songs sung by others that made the Hot 100, too. We are talking about songs sung by like 10 or more different people who don't even appear on other songs. What band can be compared at all to that? |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on May 10, 2016 5:04:22 GMT -5
So, all the Prince songs that reentered in the last two weeks have dropped off the chart completely this week. That makes "Purple Rain" (which was #4 last week) and "When Doves Cry" (which was #8 last week) the two biggest drops off the Hot 100 in the chart's history, beating out Soko's "We Might Be Dead by Tomorrow" which dropped off from #9.
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Post by Mike is BAD on May 10, 2016 5:56:58 GMT -5
Since they've made the move to include recurrent songs if they re-enter the top 50. What??????!! What do you mean? Hello's gonna enter again?? When did they allow songs to reenter that easily? Hello (which I am listening to as I type this) is not allowed below #50. This talk is done. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 10, 2016 8:18:28 GMT -5
So, all the Prince songs that reentered in the last two weeks have dropped off the chart completely this week. That makes "Purple Rain" (which was #4 last week) and "When Doves Cry" (which was #8 last week) the two biggest drops off the Hot 100 in the chart's history, beating out Soko's "We Might Be Dead by Tomorrow" which dropped off from #9. At least they got some more weeks in the top 10/40. How will Billboard count those in it all-time formulations since they compare within eras and these will have a couple weeks in this new era? |
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Post by Gary on May 10, 2016 9:11:28 GMT -5
Bieber ties the Shake It Off record for most weeks in the top 10 after a debut with 24
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