Billboard Hot 100: 06/18/2016

[MTSChart21]

Yeah, I know I'm posting this before the previous week's Hot 100 chart is posted, but I figured that it would be a good idea to get this AI update up since today's AI update is in the 6/18 tracking week

Credit to: www.kworb.net/airadio

*** indicates that the song dropped or added a format

[Gary]

May 31, 2016 16:27:05 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Yeah, I know I'm posting this before the previous week's Hot 100 chart is posted, but I figured that it would be a good idea to get this AI update up since today's AI update is in the 6/18 tracking week

Maybe we can rename this thread "Hot 100 discussion" since the 'Billboard Hot 100 06/18/2016' chart will not exist for another week and won't actually get posted in this thread when it does come out.



As the one who posts the charts, I gripe about this because I get up early (my time) to get them out thinking people want to see hem when in reality we are all focused o nthe n ext chart by then

[rimetm]

Ooh, that's a quick radio leader change coming up. Also, I just realized No both isn't on the top 75 and is below Like I'm Gonna Lose You; hoo boy, that is fresh!

[MTSChart21]

May 31, 2016 17:50:12 GMT -5 Gary said:

May 31, 2016 16:27:05 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Yeah, I know I'm posting this before the previous week's Hot 100 chart is posted, but I figured that it would be a good idea to get this AI update up since today's AI update is in the 6/18 tracking week

Maybe we can rename this thread "Hot 100 discussion" since the 'Billboard Hot 100 06/18/2016' chart will not exist for another week and won't actually get posted in this thread when it does come out.



As the one who posts the charts, I gripe about this because I get up early (my time) to get them out thinking people want to see hem when in reality we are all focused on the next chart by then

Well, I thought these threads were basically to discuss what could happen on the upcoming chart (6/18, in this case)

[Deleted]

May 31, 2016 17:51:45 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

May 31, 2016 17:50:12 GMT -5 Gary said:

Maybe we can rename this thread "Hot 100 discussion" since the 'Billboard Hot 100 06/18/2016' chart will not exist for another week and won't actually get posted in this thread when it does come out.



As the one who posts the charts, I gripe about this because I get up early (my time) to get them out thinking people want to see hem when in reality we are all focused on the next chart by then

Well, I thought these threads were basically to discuss what could happen on the upcoming chart (6/18, in this case)

This thread is to discuss the lead up to the Hot 100 and the results after it's published. So add "Discussion" to the title or whatever and let's move on from this once and for all.  FTLOG.  

[MTSChart21]

May 31, 2016 17:58:21 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

May 31, 2016 17:51:45 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Well, I thought these threads were basically to discuss what could happen on the upcoming chart (6/18, in this case)

This thread is to discuss the lead up to the Hot 100 and the results after it's published. So add "Discussion" to the title or whatever and let's move on from this once and for all.  FTLOG.  

You think we wouldn't have a problem with this because the "Billboard Hot 100: MM/DD/YYYY" thing has been going on for years on Pulse

[Gary]

May 31, 2016 18:00:53 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

May 31, 2016 17:58:21 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

This thread is to discuss the lead up to the Hot 100 and the results after it's published. So add "Discussion" to the title or whatever and let's move on from this once and for all.  FTLOG.  

You think we wouldn't have a problem with this because the "Billboard Hot 100: MM/DD/YYYY" thing has been going on for years on Pulse

The chart in question is not posted in this thread and has not been for a couple years.

Although true, the MM/DD/YYYY thing has been going on for years on Pulse, the race to start the thread a full day before the old charts go online is a relatively new thing.


No worries, that's OK, just stating an opinion.  There appears to be a huge interest in jumping onto the next chart as fast as possible which reduces the interest in the "old charts'' once they come online and my interest in getting up early to post them is also reduced.

I will still post them but it may not be as early anymore since the interest is more in moving onto the  next one than the actual chart itself.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

I feel like the "discussion" is implicit. Especially considering this is a discussion board.

This is a non-issue. Honestly. It truly is.

[Deleted]

About time these threads had some drama again, lol

And... This still cracks me up

Apr 18, 2016 17:06:16 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Apr 18, 2016 15:59:32 GMT -5 Gary said:

I post the charts almost the moment they go online but by then they become an afterthought. 

Hold up. A chart thread about charts? Get outta here!!

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

May 31, 2016 17:51:45 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

May 31, 2016 17:50:12 GMT -5 Gary said:

Maybe we can rename this thread "Hot 100 discussion" since the 'Billboard Hot 100 06/18/2016' chart will not exist for another week and won't actually get posted in this thread when it does come out.



As the one who posts the charts, I gripe about this because I get up early (my time) to get them out thinking people want to see hem when in reality we are all focused on the next chart by then

Well, I thought these threads were basically to discuss what could happen on the upcoming chart (6/18, in this case)

We've always discussed the chart that has been posted since that's what chart stats and figures are based on as that is the actual published chart. What you're referring to is a discussion on what *could* happen or what people *want* to happen, which is a whole different discussion and one that, as a chart watcher for over 20 years, isn't particularly interesting in the grand scale of things. To focus on what *could* happen or what you *want* to happen is taking the charts and making them about you. I'm sure you're a fascinating person but does anyone really care? Personally, I'd rather talk about the charts themselves.

With that said, the full chart could (and probably does) get posted in the thread with the appropriate date but when the next Hot 100 thread is posted, the natural response is to just go there but when the chart isn't easily accessible, discussion naturally flows away from it.

I would think it better to start a chart thread for a chart on the Monday when the top 10 is about to get posted. Then airplay and streaming stats can get posted over the week as they come out in that same thread. It might not make a huge difference since it's really just a reorganization than anything else but if the thread starts with the actual chart, at least it serves as a decent starting point for chart watchers who are actually interested in the charts rather than one person's predictions and desires.

But what do I know.

[Deleted]

it never fails - the thread gets started and so does the discussion about why it got started, when, by who, what its for, why it shouldn't be started yet.  3 pages of that before the next airplay update. 

it's become a parody of itself.   so have some of us.

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

We had this same conversation in last week's thread.

We generally move on to next week's chart after the top10 has been revealed by BB.

[MTSChart21]

Back to something chart related. It will be interesting to see if CSTF can pass Panda this week, or not

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Back to something actually chart related.

How uncommon is it to have an artist with three back to back songs?

[ry4n]

In today's world, the streaming/airplay/sales data is updated and readily available on a daily basis across kworb and other websites. There's always going to be an overlap because Billboard posts their charts several days after the tracking week begins for the next chart. I really don't see what the issue is. People are perfectly capable of discussing two charts at once. Unless people want a separate thread just for airplay updates, a separate thread just for streaming updates, and use the iTunes thread for iTunes/sales updates.

May 31, 2016 20:31:05 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

How uncommon is it to have an artist with three back to back songs?

One Direction did it in 2013 with a couple of promo singles + "Story Of My Life"

12/7/2013
11 NE Diana - One Direction
12 NE Midnight Memories - One Direction
13 13 Story Of My Life - One Direction

[wjr15]

May 31, 2016 20:31:05 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Back to something actually chart related.

How uncommon is it to have an artist with three back to back songs?

Back in 2014, Ariana Grande and Iggy Azalea both had 3 songs (main and featured) in the Top 10 at the same time, but I'm not sure if they were back to back

[fearlessarrow]

May 31, 2016 21:31:24 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

May 31, 2016 20:31:05 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Back to something actually chart related.

How uncommon is it to have an artist with three back to back songs?

Back in 2014, Ariana Grande and Iggy Azalea both had 3 songs (main and featured) in the Top 10 at the same time, but I'm not sure if they were back to back

That week (which was the chart dated August 30, 2014),
1. Rude
2. All About That Bass
3. Stay With Me
4. Break Free - Ariana
5. Fancy - Iggy
6. Am I Wrong
7. Problem - Ariana feat. Iggy
8. Black Widow - Iggy
9. Chandelier
10. Bang Bang - Ariana

So they were close, especially Iggy, but didn't quite have three singles back to back on the Hot 100.

[Ravi]

May 31, 2016 20:24:36 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Back to something chart related. It will be interesting to see if CSTF can pass Panda this week, or not

Probably not, but I wouldn't entirely dismiss it. The gap seems to be shrinking....

Early predicts:

One Dance - 110-140-28.0 = 49,500
Panda - 80-70-35.0 = 45,000
CSTF - 165-150-13.0 = 44,100

[MTSChart21]

May 31, 2016 20:31:05 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

How uncommon is it to have an artist with three back to back songs?

I know you mean the Hot 100 weekly charts, but Meghan Trainor did it on the 2015 Year-End:

74. Dear Future Husband - Meghan
75. Marvin Gaye - Charlie Puth ft. Meghan
76. Like I'm Gonna Lose You - Meghan

[jenglisbe]

May 31, 2016 18:29:12 GMT -5 Gary said:

May 31, 2016 18:00:53 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

You think we wouldn't have a problem with this because the "Billboard Hot 100: MM/DD/YYYY" thing has been going on for years on Pulse

The chart in question is not posted in this thread and has not been for a couple years.

Although true, the MM/DD/YYYY thing has been going on for years on Pulse, the race to start the thread a full day before the old charts go online is a relatively new thing.


No worries, that's OK, just stating an opinion.  There appears to be a huge interest in jumping onto the next chart as fast as possible which reduces the interest in the "old charts'' once they come online and my interest in getting up early to post them is also reduced.

I will still post them but it may not be as early anymore since the interest is more in moving onto the  next one than the actual chart itself.

Why does it matter if there is less interest in the old chart? It's a discussion board, and I would think TPTB want to generate interest where there is interest.

As has been said, these threads are for discussion leading into and out of the Hot 100 for that week. Sales/streams for the 6/18 chart have been going on for nearly 6 days now, and the airplay chart was started with this post. So, this information is all very relevant to the 6/18 chart. If it were about a 'race' then people would have started posting 3-4 days ago.

[jenglisbe]

May 31, 2016 18:52:08 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

May 31, 2016 17:51:45 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Well, I thought these threads were basically to discuss what could happen on the upcoming chart (6/18, in this case)

We've always discussed the chart that has been posted since that's what chart stats and figures are based on as that is the actual published chart. What you're referring to is a discussion on what *could* happen or what people *want* to happen, which is a whole different discussion and one that, as a chart watcher for over 20 years, isn't particularly interesting in the grand scale of things. To focus on what *could* happen or what you *want* to happen is taking the charts and making them about you. I'm sure you're a fascinating person but does anyone really care? Personally, I'd rather talk about the charts themselves.

I'm interested in talking about what could happen as well. I am very interested in what songs are gaining/losing and how sings might do. If you read through the chart threads, a lot of people talk about those things. We even started separate prediction threads because people were invested in predictions. Instead of fighting it out of your own interest, why not step back and look at what the larger group is interested in discussing?

It seems to me we basically have a couple of people who have their own interests and ideas of what these threads should be, and they want to dictate to others what should be discussed.

[Gary]

Jun 1, 2016 8:40:09 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

May 31, 2016 18:29:12 GMT -5 Gary said:

The chart in question is not posted in this thread and has not been for a couple years.

Although true, the MM/DD/YYYY thing has been going on for years on Pulse, the race to start the thread a full day before the old charts go online is a relatively new thing.


No worries, that's OK, just stating an opinion.  There appears to be a huge interest in jumping onto the next chart as fast as possible which reduces the interest in the "old charts'' once they come online and my interest in getting up early to post them is also reduced.

I will still post them but it may not be as early anymore since the interest is more in moving onto the  next one than the actual chart itself.

Why does it matter if there is less interest in the old chart? It's a discussion board, and I would think TPTB want to generate interest where there is interest.

As has been said, these threads are for discussion leading into and out of the Hot 100 for that week. Sales/streams for the 6/18 chart have been going on for nearly 6 days now, and the airplay chart was started with this post. So, this information is all very relevant to the 6/18 chart. If it were about a 'race' then people would have started posting 3-4 days ago.

I stated my opinion.   Nothing new to add.  Except what is being discussed is NOT the Hot 100.  There are 100 positions on the chart.  10 is all that is really needed to support the prediction threads anyway.

[felipe]

Jun 1, 2016 8:40:09 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

May 31, 2016 18:29:12 GMT -5 Gary said:

The chart in question is not posted in this thread and has not been for a couple years.

Although true, the MM/DD/YYYY thing has been going on for years on Pulse, the race to start the thread a full day before the old charts go online is a relatively new thing.


No worries, that's OK, just stating an opinion.  There appears to be a huge interest in jumping onto the next chart as fast as possible which reduces the interest in the "old charts'' once they come online and my interest in getting up early to post them is also reduced.

I will still post them but it may not be as early anymore since the interest is more in moving onto the  next one than the actual chart itself.

Why does it matter if there is less interest in the old chart? It's a discussion board, and I would think TPTB want to generate interest where there is interest.

As has been said, these threads are for discussion leading into and out of the Hot 100 for that week. Sales/streams for the 6/18 chart have been going on for nearly 6 days now, and the airplay chart was started with this post. So, this information is all very relevant to the 6/18 chart. If it were about a 'race' then people would have started posting 3-4 days ago.

You have a good point there. Sales/streams for the 6/18 chart have been going on since Friday, so this thread could have been started 5 days ago with any information related to streaming or sales. The thread is actually rather late if you think about it. But I understand people want to wait for the Hot 100 top 10 to be revealed before starting a new thread.

[Au$tin]

I don't even understand what you suggest we do, not discuss anything until the chart is releases? No one cares at that point! People like to discuss what's happening at the moment because we have that sort of data. We can see the streaming, sales, and airplay change on a daily basis, and we know exactly which chart it will relate to, so we want to discuss that. Having the titles labeled as they are lets people know that this thread is where the discussion is for all of the stats that lead up to that week's Hot 100. Then we have a separate thread posting the full chart updated every week so you don't have to scour through these weekly threads to find it. I MUCH prefer that to any other method we could possibly have.

[Deleted]

For me only 2 threads are needed to discuss Hot 100. The Year End Predictions one, and this thread we do weekly. The other threads are not needed at all in my opinion.

[Au$tin]

Jun 1, 2016 10:44:00 GMT -5 @walker9 said:

For me only 2 threads are needed to discuss Hot 100. The Year End Predictions one, and this thread we do weekly. The other threads are not needed at all in my opinion.

I'd rather the predictions stay where they are. We don't need people posting top tens with no data to back them up cluttering these threads. Also, we have the 2016 Hot 100 and component threads as a very easy accessible archive which is far better than searching through these weekly threads for charts that may not even be in there.

What we have is this:

Weekly threads where we discuss the sales, streaming, and airplay data leading up to the Hot 100 chart that is listed in the title.

Yearly threads where the full charts are posted. Not much discussion goes on in there, but that's fine. Those threads are more for archival purposes.

Weekly prediction threads where there is a game created out of predicting the next week's top ten of the Hot 100.

The only difference I would make is either send the prediction threads to the Games section or just blend them all together in like a yearly thread and the original poster can just change the title every week.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

It's not the biggest deal. I understand Gary's frustration where chart discussion gets brushed aside because by the time the actual chart in question gets posted, the next thread is already started. It doesn't help that stats (airplay and streaming) start coming out for the next week before Billboard actually posts their chart so there is overlap. It's not a huge problem and really just comes down to timing I guess? Or maybe just continuing to post in last week's chart after the chart gets posted for those who want to talk about it.

[Au$tin]

That's the problem, though. There just isn't a whole lot to discuss once the chart is released because we've already been discussing what's going to happen. What little bit is left to discuss is already discussed in the appropriate thread. The data is just so readily available that all of the week's discussion has already happened. It's 2016, not 1986.

[Zach]

Kinda disappointed that CSTF's streaming is dragging it back given how consistent it is on sales. I don't love the song but my heart wants it to go back to #1.



On the thread issue, I completely agree with Au$tin. As soon as data towards a future chart becomes available there should be a place to discuss said data. I've always seen the year-long full Hot 100 posting thread being used for archival purposes rather than discussion and this archive is important and we're very grateful for it being posted. Weekly Hot 100 predictions produce too much clutter and unnecessary argument to take place in the same thread as actual data discussion. In other words, I see this weekly cycle of the exact same things being argued by the exact same people as a total non-issue which is creating more problems than it solves.

[Mike is BAD]

With One Dance at 49k, Panda at 45k, and CSTF at 44k, Panda might be able to steal a 3rd #1 week before CSTF can get multiple weeks. This might only have a slim possibility on like the 7/2 chart. If not, One Dance might only get what would be if this happens a 5 week #1 run, it's slowing down a little.