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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 5, 2016 7:52:26 GMT -5
What do you mean "Pulse terms"? Are you one of those people that insist on the idea that there is no "general public," even though it's still a widely used term, used from marketing executives to performance analysts? Lmao. Only it's not used by marketing executives and if it is, they need to get out of the 1940s, which was probably the last time there was a "general public." It's like the first rule of marketing: try to target everyone and you'll fail miserably. But who was talking about targeting everyone? We were saying the specific components of the chard represent different demos, and thus in totality the chart represents the more general body of people. Do you disagree? Regarding The Voice not producing any legit recording star, I guess it's the label not really pushing well enough or they just don't have that loyal fanbase. I think the appeal of The Voice these days is its format, which has game show type of appeal, viewers just want to see their favorite coach or contestant win but they're not passionate enough to really follow them afterwards unlike the first 8 seasons of American Idol when they were really on top. Anyway, X Factor US produced Fifth Harmony and The Sing Off as well has Pentatonix, those shows are nowhere near The Voice's ratings and impact but they have successful acts, so The Voice should eventually find one at some point I think it's more that The Voice has never really been about the contestants, it's more about the judges. |
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Post by forg on Jun 5, 2016 8:35:32 GMT -5
I think it's more that The Voice has never really been about the contestants, it's more about the judges. Yeah, The Voice did wonders for Maroon Five and Blake Shelton. Even Christina Aguilera benefited as well from the exposure. Although it didn't do that much for the Pharell, Usher, Shakira and Gwen Stefani The ratings for the shown have declined although they are still one of the top rated shows. The audience is aging though so probably that's why they will have Miley Cyrus to get those millenials to watch |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 5, 2016 8:37:05 GMT -5
Oh yay, this topic again. It really is a non-issue. No one here actually thinks general public means everyone. Closer to average music listener. That's still a broad term, sure, but there's truth behind it. An average American music listener knows who Britney Spears is, for example. We all know that the term changes in definition slightly use to use on this site. Context is everything. Getting upset over something so trivial makes me wonder where someone's priorities even are. Let the Pulse language change with itself. It's not completely incorrect. I know it's about context. Usually when it's used on here it's typically covering pop music listeners and most of us know generally who those are and aren't. But the quote above said radio caters more to the "general public" than the other metrics, which isn't within the usual context it's used here, so it became a discussion. Apologies I guess? Lmao. Only it's not used by marketing executives and if it is, they need to get out of the 1940s, which was probably the last time there was a "general public." It's like the first rule of marketing: try to target everyone and you'll fail miserably. But who was talking about targeting everyone? We were saying the specific components of the chard represent different demos, and thus in totality the chart represents the more general body of people. Do you disagree? Surprisingly I don't. I think Billboard's efforts are to make the Hot 100 encompass as much of the "general public" as possible and I think that could be a part of why so many discussions stemming from it result in disagreement here (and everywhere else if people cared enough about it to have discussions lol). Like, what is a hit? What is a one hit wonder? When are country hits considered hits or not? Are rock songs ever hits anymore? Etc. etc. Billboard's desire to have a chart that covers everyone everywhere just leaves people who do care but are rarely part of it to find their own charts and 'music bible,' if you will. But as I said above, I don't think radio targets more of a "general public" than any other metric, especially when the radio target isn't as strong or wide as it has always been. Radio is very specifically departmentalized and while most people are covered across different genres, there's still a large demographic not covered by radio - large enough to refute the claim that radio covers a general public. I didn't intend for the general public discussion to run as long as it did in here. Mostly I was jumping in because I think the role radio plays in the popularity of music is no longer as significant as it once was so to say radio is a response of the general public's tastes, it's not really accurate. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 5, 2016 8:48:14 GMT -5
I happened to think about "Everything I Do (I Do It For You)" today and found out it was released almost exactly 25 years ago. It was a huge #1, but 'only' spent 7 weeks at #1. How many weeks was it #1 in airplay and how many in sales? I know that was pre-Soundscan and all, so the charts were different. I wonder how many weeks it would have been #1 under the rules that went into effect in late 1991.
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Post by felipe on Jun 5, 2016 9:06:44 GMT -5
Oh yay, this topic again. It really is a non-issue. No one here actually thinks general public means everyone. Closer to average music listener. That's still a broad term, sure, but there's truth behind it. An average American music listener knows who Britney Spears is, for example. We all know that the term changes in definition slightly use to use on this site. Context is everything. Getting upset over something so trivial makes me wonder where someone's priorities even are. Let the Pulse language change with itself. It's not completely incorrect. I know it's about context. Usually when it's used on here it's typically covering pop music listeners and most of us know generally who those are and aren't. But the quote above said radio caters more to the "general public" than the other metrics, which isn't within the usual context it's used here, so it became a discussion. Apologies I guess? But who was talking about targeting everyone? We were saying the specific components of the chard represent different demos, and thus in totality the chart represents the more general body of people. Do you disagree? Surprisingly I don't. I think Billboard's efforts are to make the Hot 100 encompass as much of the "general public" as possible and I think that could be a part of why so many discussions stemming from it result in disagreement here (and everywhere else if people cared enough about it to have discussions lol). Like, what is a hit? What is a one hit wonder? When are country hits considered hits or not? Are rock songs ever hits anymore? Etc. etc. Billboard's desire to have a chart that covers everyone everywhere just leaves people who do care but are rarely part of it to find their own charts and 'music bible,' if you will. But as I said above, I don't think radio targets more of a "general public" than any other metric, especially when the radio target isn't as strong or wide as it has always been. Radio is very specifically departmentalized and while most people are covered across different genres, there's still a large demographic not covered by radio - large enough to refute the claim that radio covers a general public. I didn't intend for the general public discussion to run as long as it did in here. Mostly I was jumping in because I think the role radio plays in the popularity of music is no longer as significant as it once was so to say radio is a response of the general public's tastes, it's not really accurate. What I meant is I usually find radio to represent a song's popularity more than the other metrics (in the sense of a song being widely known, not necessarily liked). If Can't Stop this Feeling is #1 on radio, I understand that it is really popular, and not only among JT fans or a specific demographic, but among various different groups - even if they'll just happen to listen to it at the dentist or by chance in their car. A lot of people know the song. Now if a Taylor Swift album track goes to #1 on iTunes, that doesn't mean a lot of people from different demographics know the song. It might just mean that 100k people that like Swift and follow her decided to buy that song. And the rest of America is completely unaware of that song who was #1 on the sales chart. That's very different from having your song heard by 100 million people. Does anybody agree with that? |
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Post by badrobot on Jun 5, 2016 11:21:10 GMT -5
I think a song being #1 on airplay is a good indicator that a song is "well-known," not necessarily that it is more "popular." I realize that may seem like semantics, but airplay is also the only metric that is involuntary.
And remember radio stations are driven by advertising -- their goal is to play music that is liked by the audiences advertisers want to target, which is often very different from what you'd consider the average person.
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Post by renfield75 on Jun 5, 2016 12:49:02 GMT -5
I happened to think about "Everything I Do (I Do It For You)" today and found out it was released almost exactly 25 years ago. It was a huge #1, but 'only' spent 7 weeks at #1. How many weeks was it #1 in airplay and how many in sales? I know that was pre-Soundscan and all, so the charts were different. I wonder how many weeks it would have been #1 under the rules that went into effect in late 1991. It was number one in Airplay for 8 weeks and number one in Sales for a whopping 17 weeks. But those sales and airplay charts weren't reflected on the Hot 100 at the time, since Billboard switched to publishing the Soundscan/BDS component charts several months before they started using it for the Hot 100. The outdated sales/airplay charts, which were still being used, weren't published. Confusing, I know. But by that info it's obvious that "(Everything I Do) I Do It For You" would easily have sailed past ten weeks on top. Probably closer to the 12-13 weeks Boyz II Men and Whitney Houston saw a year later. |
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Post by 85la on Jun 5, 2016 13:33:31 GMT -5
I know it's about context. Usually when it's used on here it's typically covering pop music listeners and most of us know generally who those are and aren't. But the quote above said radio caters more to the "general public" than the other metrics, which isn't within the usual context it's used here, so it became a discussion. Apologies I guess? Surprisingly I don't. I think Billboard's efforts are to make the Hot 100 encompass as much of the "general public" as possible and I think that could be a part of why so many discussions stemming from it result in disagreement here (and everywhere else if people cared enough about it to have discussions lol). Like, what is a hit? What is a one hit wonder? When are country hits considered hits or not? Are rock songs ever hits anymore? Etc. etc. Billboard's desire to have a chart that covers everyone everywhere just leaves people who do care but are rarely part of it to find their own charts and 'music bible,' if you will. But as I said above, I don't think radio targets more of a "general public" than any other metric, especially when the radio target isn't as strong or wide as it has always been. Radio is very specifically departmentalized and while most people are covered across different genres, there's still a large demographic not covered by radio - large enough to refute the claim that radio covers a general public. I didn't intend for the general public discussion to run as long as it did in here. Mostly I was jumping in because I think the role radio plays in the popularity of music is no longer as significant as it once was so to say radio is a response of the general public's tastes, it's not really accurate. What I meant is I usually find radio to represent a song's popularity more than the other metrics (in the sense of a song being widely known, not necessarily liked). If Can't Stop this Feeling is #1 on radio, I understand that it is really popular, and not only among JT fans or a specific demographic, but among various different groups - even if they'll just happen to listen to it at the dentist or by chance in their car. A lot of people know the song. Now if a Taylor Swift album track goes to #1 on iTunes, that doesn't mean a lot of people from different demographics know the song. It might just mean that 100k people that like Swift and follow her decided to buy that song. And the rest of America is completely unaware of that song who was #1 on the sales chart. That's very different from having your song heard by 100 million people. Does anybody agree with that? Absolutely. If we are to go by what song is the most heard in any single given week, the 100-200 million impressions for the #1 song on radio wins hands down by a wide margin. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 11:04:23 GMT -5
Is there ANY chance at all JT can return to #1 in the future? :/ the song has been growing on me more now after jamming to it when it comes on the radio at work...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 11:21:52 GMT -5
Is there ANY chance at all JT can return to #1 in the future? :/ the song has been growing on me more now after jamming to it when it comes on the radio at work... It's not looking good, imo. I mean, possible? Yes. But unlikely without something to give it an extra boost. |
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 6, 2016 13:03:03 GMT -5
New top ten, probably P!NK. Will more than likely knock Ariana out :/#10rimetm No point in us both doing it so you continue, I'll just watch :) |
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Post by rimetm on Jun 6, 2016 13:03:53 GMT -5
Gary hinted in the announcement for the Periscope starting imminently that there may be a new top 10. Never Forget You? Just Like Fire? Guess we'll find out...
X. Fifth Harmony - All in My Head (Flex) (feat. Fetty Wap)
83. Kiiara - Gold (+13) (New Peak)
74. Selena Gomez - Kill 'em With Kindness (Hot Shot Debut)
48. Ariana Grande - Into You (+3) (New Peak)
40. Beyonce - Sorry (-1)
37. Meghan Trainor - Me Too (+4) (New Peak)
32. Adele - Send My Love (to Your New Lover) (-6)
30. Drake - Too Good (feat. Rihanna) (+4) (New Peak)
28. Ruth B. - Lost Boy (+1) (New Peak)
27. Fat Joe & Remy Ma - All the Way Up (feat. French Montana) (w/ Infrared remix) (+11) (New Peak)
22. Twenty One Pilots - Ride (+8) (New Peak)
19. Sia - Cheap Thrills (w/ Sean Paul remix) (+5) (New Peak)
13. Kent Jones - Don't Mind (+12) (New Peak)
12. Rihanna - Work (-2) (Off top 10)
11. Ariana Grande - Dangerous Woman (-3) (Off top 10) (Now in the Radio Songs Top 10)
10. P!NK - Just Like Fire (+6) (First Top 10 since Just Give Me a Reason) (Sales and Radio high, Streaming picking up)
9. Calvin Harris - This is What You Came For (feat. Rihanna) (+2) (Return to top 10)
8. Rihanna - Needed Me (+1) (New Peak)
7. Mike Posner - I Took a Pill in Ibiza (w/ SeeB remix) (=)
6. Lukas Graham - 7 Years (=)
5. The Chainsmokers - Don't Let Me Down (feat. Daya) (=) (#1 Hot Dance/Electronic)
4. Fifth Harmony - Work From Home (feat. Ty Dolla $ign) (=)
3. Justin Timberlake - Can't Stop the Feeling (=) (#1 Radio) (#1 Sales)
2. Desiigner - Panda (#1 Streaming)
1. Drake - One Dance (4th week; 3rd straight week) (First time a male artist did 3 straight weeks on BB200 and Hot 100 since 50 Cent with "Candy Shop" and The Massacre)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 13:06:02 GMT -5
new top 10. Never Forget You? Just Like Fire? probably not the former |
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Post by yuh yuh on Jun 6, 2016 13:06:05 GMT -5
Most likely Pink yes :(
Would have loved to see Ariana in the region once more, but not gonna whine since it still came back after it's debut at least for one more week and it was the thing I said I'd be satisfied, so it happened and I am.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 13:08:15 GMT -5
fittingly, Just Like Fire is now playing on the radio station I'm listening to. lol
no one can be just like me anyway
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Post by irice22 on Jun 6, 2016 13:16:04 GMT -5
I'd love to see P!nk the Top 10! Get that 16-year legacy  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 13:17:34 GMT -5
Gary hinted in the announcement for the Periscope starting imminently that there may be a new top 10. Never Forget You? Just Like Fire? Guess we'll find out... 12. Rihanna - Work (-2) (Off top 10) 11. ????? - ????? 10. P!NK - Just Like Fire (+6) (First Top 10 since Just Give Me a Reason) (Sales and Radio high, Streaming picking up) 9. Calvin Harris - This is What You Came For (feat. Rihanna) (+2) (Return to top 10) 8. Rihanna - Needed Me (+1) (New Peak) 7. Mike Posner - I Took a Pill in Ibiza (w/ SeeB remix) (=) 6. Lukas Graham - 7 Years (=) 5. The Chainsmokers - Don't Let Me Down (feat. Daya) (=) (#1 Hot Dance/Electronic) 4. 3. 2. 1. 11 must be Dangerous Woman. Yes FINALLY Work is out of the top 10, hallelujah! |
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Post by Choco on Jun 6, 2016 13:18:07 GMT -5
Didn't expect this song to be such a big hit for P!nk, well done :)
New peak for Needed Me as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 13:30:37 GMT -5
Thank goodness "Work" is out of the top 10. Finally!
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 6, 2016 13:39:30 GMT -5
I know it's about context. Usually when it's used on here it's typically covering pop music listeners and most of us know generally who those are and aren't. But the quote above said radio caters more to the "general public" than the other metrics, which isn't within the usual context it's used here, so it became a discussion. Apologies I guess? Surprisingly I don't. I think Billboard's efforts are to make the Hot 100 encompass as much of the "general public" as possible and I think that could be a part of why so many discussions stemming from it result in disagreement here (and everywhere else if people cared enough about it to have discussions lol). Like, what is a hit? What is a one hit wonder? When are country hits considered hits or not? Are rock songs ever hits anymore? Etc. etc. Billboard's desire to have a chart that covers everyone everywhere just leaves people who do care but are rarely part of it to find their own charts and 'music bible,' if you will. But as I said above, I don't think radio targets more of a "general public" than any other metric, especially when the radio target isn't as strong or wide as it has always been. Radio is very specifically departmentalized and while most people are covered across different genres, there's still a large demographic not covered by radio - large enough to refute the claim that radio covers a general public. I didn't intend for the general public discussion to run as long as it did in here. Mostly I was jumping in because I think the role radio plays in the popularity of music is no longer as significant as it once was so to say radio is a response of the general public's tastes, it's not really accurate. What I meant is I usually find radio to represent a song's popularity more than the other metrics (in the sense of a song being widely known, not necessarily liked). If Can't Stop this Feeling is #1 on radio, I understand that it is really popular, and not only among JT fans or a specific demographic, but among various different groups - even if they'll just happen to listen to it at the dentist or by chance in their car. A lot of people know the song. Now if a Taylor Swift album track goes to #1 on iTunes, that doesn't mean a lot of people from different demographics know the song. It might just mean that 100k people that like Swift and follow her decided to buy that song. And the rest of America is completely unaware of that song who was #1 on the sales chart. That's very different from having your song heard by 100 million people. Does anybody agree with that? While I agree, I do need to point out one little flaw. AI is not how many people heard the song, but how many times the song was heard. A person can hear a song multiple times, and each of those times count. This is because there is no exact tracking method for AI, because there's no way of knowing for sure if the 6,000 people who heard the song at 4:00pm all heard it again at 7:00pm. |
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Post by Envoirment on Jun 6, 2016 13:40:24 GMT -5
Great to see P!nk top 10! Hope it'll be able to climb some more in the coming weeks with its airplay still climbing and its streaming picking up a bit. :)
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Post by nibs on Jun 6, 2016 13:49:00 GMT -5
I don't like at all that Send My Love dropped -6   It should get to top-5 at least |
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Post by yuh yuh on Jun 6, 2016 13:59:26 GMT -5
I don't like at all that Send My Love dropped -6 It should get to top-5 at least Give it time. It's still rising on radio :) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 14:00:49 GMT -5
I don't like at all that Send My Love dropped -6 It should get to top-5 at least It's got a lot of room to grow at radio and streaming - and sales for that matter. That upcoming Wishful Thinking Remix featuring Drake will send it to #1 tho.  |
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Post by badrobot on Jun 6, 2016 14:57:35 GMT -5
1. Drake - One Dance (4th week; 3rd straight week) (First time an artist did 3 straight weeks on BB200 and Hot 100 since 50 Cent with "Candy Shop" and The Massacre) Is there some other qualifier to that chart stat, because Adele just spent 7 weeks at #1 on both the Hot 100 and BB200 simultaneously. Edit: just saw Drake is the first *male* artist to do that since 50 Cent. |
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Post by rimetm on Jun 6, 2016 14:59:50 GMT -5
Whoops, yeah, there was a qualifier: last *male* artist to do 3 weeks consecutively on both charts.
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Post by Mike is BAD on Jun 6, 2016 16:55:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 17:11:38 GMT -5
Cheap Thrills in the Top 20, HOOOOOOOORAY, I want it to get to the top ten now
Just Like Fire is blasting up the chart, which is also great.
Kill Em With Kindness has a good debut that will be even stronger with the video being dropped today
Gold went up, yay
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 6, 2016 19:33:15 GMT -5
From Billboard:
Following its debut at No. 1 on the Hot 100 three weeks ago, becoming just the 26th single to start at the summit in the chart's history, Justin Timberlake's "Can't Stop the Feeling!" holds at No. 3. Still, it spends a fourth week at No. 1 on Digital Songs (155,000, down 11 percent). "Feeling" also becomes the most-heard song in the U.S., rising 2-1 on Radio Songs (149 million, up 12 percent), adding the Hot 100's top Airplay Gainer award for a third week. Impressively, "Feeling" reaches No. 1 on Radio Songs in just its fifth week, marking the quickest sprint to the top since Adele's "Hello" needed just four weeks in November. UPDATED: Among males, "Feeling" makes the fastest trip to No. 1 on Radio Songs in nearly 25 years, since Michael Jackson's "Black or White" set the record with a three-week climb in 1991. Mariah Carey's "I'll Be There" tied the mark in 1992.
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Post by 85la on Jun 6, 2016 22:00:52 GMT -5
I don't like at all that Send My Love dropped -6 It should get to top-5 at least It's got a lot of room to grow at radio and streaming - and sales for that matter. That upcoming Wishful Thinking Remix featuring Drake will send it to #1 tho. What worries me the most though is that it is already dropping on Spotify, and never even made the top 50. |
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