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Post by trebor on Aug 27, 2016 12:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 27, 2016 12:32:49 GMT -5
Cheap Thrills didn't generate conversation and discussion the way Chandelier did. So even though it did better in nearly every aspect, it likely won't have the lasting impact that Chandelier did. That's why the size of a hit doesn't tell the full story, and that it's hard to measure impact beyond the physical numbers of radio sales and streaming.
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 27, 2016 12:40:07 GMT -5
Cheap Thrills didn't generate conversation and discussion the way Chandelier did. So even though it did better in nearly every aspect, it likely won't have the lasting impact that Chandelier did. That's why the size of a hit doesn't tell the full story, and that it's hard to measure impact beyond the physical numbers of radio sales and streaming. I guess it's like the point that used to be made in the year end thread a lot this year. It's not the peak that's important, it's the points and context of the peak. Still find it interesting that not one of them could guess it, but I guess you could factor in all of them ignoring pop/HAC radio and the Spotify and iTunes charts, which is probably unlikely but possible. |
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Post by Harx on Aug 27, 2016 12:54:08 GMT -5
I'd also say that "Cheap Thrills" got bigger than "Chandelier" because it's more ordinary, it's more like a basic pop song that hits number one but nobody remembers it month later. You don't see song like "Chandelier" on the charts very often, but Cheap Thrills just feels like a template more than an actual song, it's so plain, it doesn't tell you anything, doesn't have personality, you can't feel anything about it, you can't argue with its message, it doesn't tell you a story, it doesn't contain any feelings, it's just a background noise. It's just inoffensive and radio friendly. We need songs like this, but the truth is that they will not have any lasting impact.
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Post by renfield75 on Aug 27, 2016 13:56:10 GMT -5
I did a quick edit of the two songs...I had to speed "Closer" up to make the tempo match but the notes and rhythm are almost identical. View AttachmentYou mean just the fade of Cable Car is similar to the drop of Closer.. The choruses are two totally different ones Someone else said there were "zero similarities" between the two songs. There are in fact similarities. THAT'S what I mean. |
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Post by wavey. on Aug 27, 2016 15:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 27, 2016 19:11:13 GMT -5
This is a little off topic, but I always find these music videos interesting (they also do one where the people have to read lyrics of unnamed songs). At 2:23, they have to guess Cheap Thrills. No one got it. A few people guessed it was Sia (one even thinking Chandelier). They guessed Beyoncé, Ariana Grande and Rihanna. CT was #1 in the US for four weeks, was a huge radio smash (possibly the biggest song on CHR this year), sold very well and did well on Spotify, yet no one was able to recognise it from the first 15 seconds. A lot of times in these videos, people just don't know (newer) songs. I remember a few months back, they had teens read the lyrics to Me, Myself & I. One of them claimed to be a G-Eazy fan but didn't even know the song. It's really interesting as you would think a group of young people would know or have been exposed to a huge song, especially one like Cheap Thrills. I remember there was a discussion here a while back about what was considered to be the average listener/general public/idk, and I think this adds to that topic. You could of course say they didn't know it as it wasn't the chorus, but I would consider "come on, come on, turn the radio on" one of the best hooks in the song. A lot of people later in the video knew #5 peaking Same Old Love. This is such a small sample to draw any sort of real conclusion, though. Does that small group of people really represent the general public? And more so, do you know that 100 other people weren't interviewed and all knew the song? I also think these things can be fun/funny, but that doesn't mean I use them to draw any real conclusions. On the whole they didn't do great with "Earned It," which is older than "CT." A lot of them got "Enter Sandman" fairly quickly, so I do think age is a factor. Also, not a single black person? |
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Post by rimetm on Aug 27, 2016 19:32:03 GMT -5
Please give proper credit to the source with a link! I'm starting to get bothered that Pulse members are starting to copy/paste my posts! Thank you very much for your consideration! BTW, just so you know, we used to have a guy who would format all the charts on his own (Gary) for this forum, but then he didn't have time to do it anymore as of a few months ago. Most of our users can't see the full charts and only go to this forum and the main Billboard site, so some of us who frequented UK Mix cross-posted to keep them in the loop. For my part I'll make sure to credit in the future. |
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Post by Gary on Aug 27, 2016 19:49:17 GMT -5
Another option. I can't do the charts first thing Tuesday morning like I used to but if people are interested, I can post all the charts I used to but probably later than some might want to see them. (Real life may get in the way).
Btw. Even though I format charts myself I do not own the data, nor does anyone else here. If we were to give proper credit it should be to Billboard. Let me know and I can resume next week.
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 27, 2016 20:13:41 GMT -5
This is a little off topic, but I always find these music videos interesting (they also do one where the people have to read lyrics of unnamed songs). At 2:23, they have to guess Cheap Thrills. No one got it. A few people guessed it was Sia (one even thinking Chandelier). They guessed Beyoncé, Ariana Grande and Rihanna. CT was #1 in the US for four weeks, was a huge radio smash (possibly the biggest song on CHR this year), sold very well and did well on Spotify, yet no one was able to recognise it from the first 15 seconds. A lot of times in these videos, people just don't know (newer) songs. I remember a few months back, they had teens read the lyrics to Me, Myself & I. One of them claimed to be a G-Eazy fan but didn't even know the song. It's really interesting as you would think a group of young people would know or have been exposed to a huge song, especially one like Cheap Thrills. I remember there was a discussion here a while back about what was considered to be the average listener/general public/idk, and I think this adds to that topic. You could of course say they didn't know it as it wasn't the chorus, but I would consider "come on, come on, turn the radio on" one of the best hooks in the song. A lot of people later in the video knew #5 peaking Same Old Love. This is such a small sample to draw any sort of real conclusion, though. Does that small group of people really represent the general public? And more so, do you know that 100 other people weren't interviewed and all knew the song? I also think these things can be fun/funny, but that doesn't mean I use them to draw any real conclusions. On the whole they didn't do great with "Earned It," which is older than "CT." A lot of them got "Enter Sandman" fairly quickly, so I do think age is a factor. Also, not a single black person? I think I didn't explain very well in my original post what I was talking about and the point I was trying to make. I wasn't assuming they were to be considered the general public, although I can see how it could be interpreted that way. What I find interesting is that a group of relatively young people, obviously involved in the internet were almost completely unaware of a song that was #1 for the whole of August. I also then mentioned the teens reading Me Myself & I's lyrics and not knowing the song. The same happened with their videos on Here and We Don't Talk Anymore, probably more I'm forgetting. The point I was trying to make was that I find it interesting that when you follow the charts, songs can feel so huge and obvious to you but when you're an average music consumer, they're not. I thought since, for example, Here was such a big radio hit that everyone would know it when in fact most of the teens didn't at all. In my own experience, when I didn't follow the charts in 2013, I thought Pompeii was Can't Hold Us and I didn't know Blurred Lines or Get Lucky existed until I saw DJ Earworm's summer mashup. However, you are completely correct on the sample size, who is in it and so on. I'm probably looking too deeply into it and over analysing it  :) Also, I just mentioned the general public conversation as I remember people fighting over what were songs considered to be known by everyone and such. |
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Post by Gary on Aug 28, 2016 10:16:55 GMT -5
BrainD from ukmix appears to be back, personal issues took him away for a week. Since he doe not post here, there should not be a quibbling over giving "proper credit" to posting his data.
If there is, my opinion is that we who have a subscription to Billboard pay a monthly fee to license their data for our own personal use. The fact that we format it ourselves in different ways and post publiclly, in my opinion does not make it our data (as it still belongs to Billboard)
Since it appears lots of people here read ukmix and there is not a lot of interest in me posting the same charts here anyway, I suggest that this site continue to feed off the ukmix charts to fulfill their needs.
I only stopped initially because of job issues, I could not post charts Tuesday morning any longer but, could post later if people are interested,
As always: If I can help in any way in the future, please let me know.
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:) Also, I just mentioned the general public conversation as I remember people fighting over what were songs considered to be known by everyone and such.