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Post by wob on Sept 22, 2018 7:43:54 GMT -5
No one's said anything today and I probably won't be on again until deadline so I guess I'll just Vote: Nose Rylund for the reasons I mentioned yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 11:01:13 GMT -5
Ok, why is Wob town? I'm obviously willing to be convinced if it's for the better of town. Clearly there's something I'm missing. @antigonerising my vote was on Wob at the end of Day 1 too. Is it really that much of a stretch that I'd be okay to jump back to him for the start of Day 2? Mylo13 💜: Why does Cynthia's post make you feel better about her? Because she's helpful? Consider that, again, just because she's helping town, doesn't mean she's not scum. I still don't get why I'm suddenly your target. You mentioned my first two posts as being meh and then a post you already commented on. I'm lost. Basically, for those who think I'm scum. If you're right, town is closer to winning or wins, depending on whatever the setup is. But think about this, when I flip town, then what? Play out the trajectory from there. If lynching me is a move we can afford to make that would lead us to winning, definitely do it. But don't do it unless you're as sure as you can possibly be. So answer me that: I'm lynched and flip town, what is your next step. wob already stated this in a way, but it's not so much that you kept your suspicion on wob - in that sense I'm no different for returning to my vote on you. It's that wob has really been the ONLY person you've seemed to look at, so it stands out. With that said I could look at it from the other perspective - what if you're just tunneling on accident, and wob is covering his bases by lining up another 'suspect' when you flip town? (He already singled me out as his next suspicion if this happens, then put a vote down before leaving so that he's no longer the lynch if no one else shows up.) What if Caged is scum and just trying to get by on inactivity b/c he doesn't know what else to do? What if mylo is being aggressively 'helpful' and proactive to evade detection? All of these are valid thoughts to me. But, as you're the one in the hot seat rn, you have to present a stronger argument for your own innocence to convince me to look into these other options. That's what's keeping me from moving my vote so far, that instead of actively defending yourself you've just kind of deflecting to other possibilities. I think we're down to about 5 hours until deadline? I have no idea if anyone else will be on before then but I'll be around and try to check in periodically before deadline if anyone else is around. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 11:02:26 GMT -5
Scratch that, 4 hours and 15 minutes
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Post by Lux ◢ ◤ on Sept 22, 2018 11:31:10 GMT -5
Scratch that, 4 hours and 15 minutes It should be 4 hours, 29 minutes right now. May have made a mistake last vote count. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 22, 2018 11:38:22 GMT -5
So reading through the thread: We got lucky with Preds being the first lynch. He was voted due mostly to activity than suspicion - and Cynthia (Kelly) was the first to place a vote on him. Mylo was second. Wob placed support but no vote. Sercies was the third vote, but later took it back to vote for Juggalo. Juggalo voted for Preds. End phase. I was the only one who didn't give anything regarding Preds. (I don't think Preds had a vote on anyone?). I can understand that looking suspicious but only in hindsight. It's not like anyone who had a vote on him had any evidence. At this point, it was a lynch-wagon that ended up in our favour. The implication of this can go many ways: Cynthia is the type who, if she were scum, she would be okay to place a vote on her inactive scum partner and it would make her look good for willingly putting him up. If no one followed her lead, it wouldn't look suspicious down the line. If people did, sucks for her for being down one teammate but also works in her favour because no one will accuse her of getting her partner out so early in the game. Mylo and Juggalo can both be said to be jumping on lynch wagons, Juggalo more so since his vote came shortly before the end of the day. Wob voiced opinion but no action, which can look either way, possibly depending on his level of experience. Okay, I'm very happy about yesterday's lynch. And I'm also glad and partially confused that Sercies died after his weird last-minute flip. Tonight, @touch died! You’re aligned with the town. Sorry, what? I did kind of notice this comment before but admittedly just skimmed but I'm actually annoyed by it. You say that as if everyone somehow knew that Preds was scum when, as I mentioned above, nobody who was town would know and he was lynched mainly because of inactivity rather than any suspect reasoning. So Sercies, being town, would also have no idea about that and while you may not be familiar with his gameplay, he is known for flipping his votes rather liberally. So either way, being town, there's no reason to ever be "glad" one of your own was nightkilled - ever. Because now we're down one. I'm not suggesting this ups any sort of suspicion of you. Not necessarily. I just think this is poor reason to be excited. I do believe Juggalo is town because while he explicitly said so and said he used his power early, I think his eagerness and maybe even naivety toward these games is enough for me coming from him. I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around how plurality voting functions but I have figured out that it's really important who gets a vote or certain number of votes first. So I have strong reservations about Nose immediately laying a vote on wob; even Mylo held off on actually voting despite openly saying where his biggest suspicion is. This is bothering me more in combination with Max's D1 play where he seemed to be focused only on wob as a suspect. Ok, this makes sense to me now. I wondered when I read this before why it would worth pointing out until I saw a later vote count that reminded me whoever reached a vote in a tiebreaker first was the one to go. So yeah, that was probably not the best move on my part. Anyway, I have reason (related to my role) to believe that Caged is town. I also still townread mylo, particularly after he was the first to put pressure on PREDS day 1. Wait, what? Do you mean this: #HOTTAKES coming up! Caged is a town lean from his 3 posts, Sercies is also a kinda town lean from his too? Wob and Nosey are null, and my fave scum reads right now are Kelly and Preds. Kinda sus of PRED's post and Kelly is kinda not acting like I'd expect them to as town? Of course these are all based off roughly 2 posts each but hey, at least it brings the discussion! Wasn't this while still in RVS? Preds literally made one post: Help I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. I just vote for somebody I guess? lol So again, Preds was a lucky guess. No one deserves an individual pat on the back for that. Ok? At least give a reason. Otherwise if I'm voted out, you'll look mighty suspect when everyone learns I'm town. I won't talk about the Wob suspicion just yet (I'd like to see their reaction first to that) but I can certainly give a reason for scumreading you now I have time! The first two posts of yours are meh, then there's the post I already commented on (Although it's kinda very probable in hindsight you were right lol) which doesn't really help town lol. Again, what? My first two posts were meh and my third (that you commented on) didn't help town. What does that even mean? Oh it's okay, you piggypacked off of Cynthia to say you agree. This is mighty weak and lazy at best, regardless of whether you're town or scum. Rose "Payola" Nylund can I ask what you think of mylo, kelly, and caged? I don't think I've heard your thoughts on anyone but me this whole game. I fully admit that I have a tendency to focus on one player and stick with them until I'm proven right or wrong. So yes, I do need to step back: I think CagedJuggalo is town, as I mentioned above. I think Mylo is lazy. That doesn't help me in deciding where his alignment is. He expressed happiness for Sercies' nightkill because Sercies was flip-floppy with his votes. If Mylo is new to Mafia (and I think he is?), I'd lean toward him being town. But if he was scum, and nightkilled Sercies, it would make sense why he was happy about it at the start of Day 2. Kelly/Cynthia, honestly, I do lean very slightly scum with her. She's cunning in that, like Sercies, she can be helpful while still being scum. I think she could pull off starting a lynch-wagon against her own scum-mate and be fine with it, particular when her scummate is inactive (as mentioned above), and she would know to target Sercies in a nightkill before Sercies had a chance to figure her out. Admittedly, if I were scum, I probably wouldn't target Sercies so soon because I praise his play too much. And now I'm revealing too much about my own tactics that can be used against me in future games...lol, So I'm putting Kelly/Cynthia in the scum-lean group for now. And to answer your question, I'd probably go after Kelly tomorrow if you flipped town. Any particular reason? Is there a connection to me with that or is it just process of elimination? So I think that just about covers my thoughts. We have surprisingly little to go on so there's more speculation than I'm comfortable with. We learned nothing from Preds' lynch and not a lot from Sercies' nightkill. I'd be comfortable moving my vote over to Cynthia/Kelly right now as well but I'll wait a bit to see if there are any thoughts to this. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 22, 2018 11:39:07 GMT -5
TRYING AGAIN FOR CORRECT FORMATTING: So reading through the thread: We got lucky with Preds being the first lynch. He was voted due mostly to activity than suspicion - and Cynthia (Kelly) was the first to place a vote on him. Mylo was second. Wob placed support but no vote. Sercies was the third vote, but later took it back to vote for Juggalo. Juggalo voted for Preds. End phase. I was the only one who didn't give anything regarding Preds. (I don't think Preds had a vote on anyone?). I can understand that looking suspicious but only in hindsight. It's not like anyone who had a vote on him had any evidence. At this point, it was a lynch-wagon that ended up in our favour. The implication of this can go many ways: Cynthia is the type who, if she were scum, she would be okay to place a vote on her inactive scum partner and it would make her look good for willingly putting him up. If no one followed her lead, it wouldn't look suspicious down the line. If people did, sucks for her for being down one teammate but also works in her favour because no one will accuse her of getting her partner out so early in the game. Mylo and Juggalo can both be said to be jumping on lynch wagons, Juggalo more so since his vote came shortly before the end of the day. Wob voiced opinion but no action, which can look either way, possibly depending on his level of experience. Okay, I'm very happy about yesterday's lynch. And I'm also glad and partially confused that Sercies died after his weird last-minute flip. Tonight, @touch died! You’re aligned with the town. Sorry, what? I did kind of notice this comment before but admittedly just skimmed but I'm actually annoyed by it. You say that as if everyone somehow knew that Preds was scum when, as I mentioned above, nobody who was town would know and he was lynched mainly because of inactivity rather than any suspect reasoning. So Sercies, being town, would also have no idea about that and while you may not be familiar with his gameplay, he is known for flipping his votes rather liberally. So either way, being town, there's no reason to ever be "glad" one of your own was nightkilled - ever. Because now we're down one. I'm not suggesting this ups any sort of suspicion of you. Not necessarily. I just think this is poor reason to be excited. I do believe Juggalo is town because while he explicitly said so and said he used his power early, I think his eagerness and maybe even naivety toward these games is enough for me coming from him. I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around how plurality voting functions but I have figured out that it's really important who gets a vote or certain number of votes first. So I have strong reservations about Nose immediately laying a vote on wob; even Mylo held off on actually voting despite openly saying where his biggest suspicion is. This is bothering me more in combination with Max's D1 play where he seemed to be focused only on wob as a suspect. Ok, this makes sense to me now. I wondered when I read this before why it would worth pointing out until I saw a later vote count that reminded me whoever reached a vote in a tiebreaker first was the one to go. So yeah, that was probably not the best move on my part. Anyway, I have reason (related to my role) to believe that Caged is town. I also still townread mylo, particularly after he was the first to put pressure on PREDS day 1. Wait, what? Do you mean this: #HOTTAKES coming up! Caged is a town lean from his 3 posts, Sercies is also a kinda town lean from his too? Wob and Nosey are null, and my fave scum reads right now are Kelly and Preds. Kinda sus of PRED's post and Kelly is kinda not acting like I'd expect them to as town? Of course these are all based off roughly 2 posts each but hey, at least it brings the discussion! Wasn't this while still in RVS? Preds literally made one post: Help I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. I just vote for somebody I guess? lol So again, Preds was a lucky guess. No one deserves an individual pat on the back for that. Ok? At least give a reason. Otherwise if I'm voted out, you'll look mighty suspect when everyone learns I'm town. I won't talk about the Wob suspicion just yet (I'd like to see their reaction first to that) but I can certainly give a reason for scumreading you now I have time! The first two posts of yours are meh, then there's the post I already commented on (Although it's kinda very probable in hindsight you were right lol) which doesn't really help town lol. Again, what? My first two posts were meh and my third (that you commented on) didn't help town. What does that even mean? Oh it's okay, you piggypacked off of Cynthia to say you agree. This is mighty weak and lazy at best, regardless of whether you're town or scum. Rose "Payola" Nylund can I ask what you think of mylo, kelly, and caged? I don't think I've heard your thoughts on anyone but me this whole game. I fully admit that I have a tendency to focus on one player and stick with them until I'm proven right or wrong. So yes, I do need to step back: I think CagedJuggalo is town, as I mentioned above. I think Mylo is lazy. That doesn't help me in deciding where his alignment is. He expressed happiness for Sercies' nightkill because Sercies was flip-floppy with his votes. If Mylo is new to Mafia (and I think he is?), I'd lean toward him being town. But if he was scum, and nightkilled Sercies, it would make sense why he was happy about it at the start of Day 2. Kelly/Cynthia, honestly, I do lean very slightly scum with her. She's cunning in that, like Sercies, she can be helpful while still being scum. I think she could pull off starting a lynch-wagon against her own scum-mate and be fine with it, particular when her scummate is inactive (as mentioned above), and she would know to target Sercies in a nightkill before Sercies had a chance to figure her out. Admittedly, if I were scum, I probably wouldn't target Sercies so soon because I praise his play too much. And now I'm revealing too much about my own tactics that can be used against me in future games...lol, So I'm putting Kelly/Cynthia in the scum-lean group for now. And to answer your question, I'd probably go after Kelly tomorrow if you flipped town. Any particular reason? Is there a connection to me with that or is it just process of elimination? So I think that just about covers my thoughts. We have surprisingly little to go on so there's more speculation than I'm comfortable with. We learned nothing from Preds' lynch and not a lot from Sercies' nightkill. I'd be comfortable moving my vote over to Cynthia/Kelly right now as well but I'll wait a bit to see if there are any thoughts to this. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 13:07:14 GMT -5
Rose "Payola" Nylund Oh, I didn't notice that Mylo comment about being 'glad' Sercies was killed. That is a peculiar comment. Mylo has played at least two or three games now (I played in the last mafia game with him). So he's not new to this anymore, actually. Yeah, it didn't really sink in to me until start of day 2 as well. This was a large part of the reason I felt mylo leaned town - at the time he put his vote down he was actually moving the lynch away from someone else. it wouldn't make sense for him to do that and put his own teammate at risk. With that said, if we were all confused about how that works then it's possible I'm giving mylo too much credit and he didn't get it either until it was too late to reverse course. And on that related note: It's also possible we're both not giving him enough credit by assuming he isn't the type to throw his own teammate under the bus. I've done it (won once, lost once), Kunt's done it (can't remember if he won when he did it but I think he did?), and in two different games a scum team has targeted one of their own with a silencer command just to make it look like the player was an innocent townie who got targeted by scum. So who is to say mylo wouldn't think of that tactic? Note, this isn't me committing to a mylo as scum theory (I can't see anyone wanting to chance being down a teammate so early in a small game like this), just pointing out that enough mafia games have happened now that this is no longer a tactic that one can attribute to just me or Kunt. Re: the bolded - by that logic, why would *I* target Sercies, right? I have said many times myself that he's the most dangerous kind of player b/c he's really good and no one ever wants to kill him right away, which makes it easy for him to get ahead of everybody if he's scum. I chose not to take it into account when going through each player in my mind b/c trying to extract clues from a NK is more often than not a fool's errand. I can think of a reason for every person in the game to want Kunt dead: you, me, and Mylo knowing he's experienced; Caged being new and making the obvious aim for the one person who voted for him; wob picking the person who seemed least likely to ever get lynched. And that's how it is with every NK. 'Oh, so-and-so killed this person b/c they know better...no wait, so-and-so killed this person b/c they don't know any better.'
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 22, 2018 13:27:59 GMT -5
And that’s where I’m at I think. We’d all have a reason to target Sercies that would be different based on our experience level and impression of him and how much he could figure us out.
I’m hoping the others come by before deadline. I unfortunately won’t be available much longer as I’m about to head out for a road trip. It looks like I’m about to be lynched. I wish I had something that could be helpful because Day 3 will literally be 2 on 1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 14:03:14 GMT -5
Damn stan me
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 15:05:08 GMT -5
Ugh, I wish there were more people around b/c now that Max is like 'welp I guess I am gonna be lynched' that makes me think he's town (scum Max would fight harder...right?) and now I have no one to hash this out with.
Ok I'm taking a major gamble here but vote: wob. He was next on my scum list and he left after moving the lynch from himself to Max. Don't let me be wrong, Max!
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Post by Lux ◢ ◤ on Sept 22, 2018 15:09:49 GMT -5
Votecount 2.22* wob (Rose "Payola" Nylund , @antigonerising )
1 Rose "Payola" Nylund (wob)The deadline is in 0 days, 0 hours, and 53 minutes. If the deadline was right now, wob would be lynched. Let me know as soon as possible if I've made a mistake in the vote count. Neither @doinktheclown nor Mylo13 💜 have made a lynch.
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Post by Lux ◢ ◤ on Sept 22, 2018 16:38:03 GMT -5
Well, nothing happened since the vote count, so it is Night 2 now! I'll update the votes soon. Rose "Payola" Nylund @antigonerising Mylo13 💜, @doinktheclown, please send me your action if you wish to use one within 21 hours from now. |
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Post by Lux ◢ ◤ on Sept 22, 2018 16:38:48 GMT -5
Wob died! Welcome wob to Skull Island.You’ll be starring as Bruno Mars. Breaking through early on in this decade, you’ve been a mainstay ever since. All three of your albums were wildly successful, and you’ve become one of the most universally loved stars around right now. From Just The Way You Are, to Uptown Funk, to Finesse recently, you’ve consistently been on top of the game. Yes, there’ve been a few questionable songs here and there, like Bubble Butt, but who actually remembers those? You’re mostly here… because it just seemed fun. You’re confident in your skill to survive, and mostly of giving a good impression of yourself. People will watch this, just for you, right? You’re aligned with the town.Because you’re so consistent, you can help others with this too! Each night, you may target another player. If they used an action that could only be used a limited amount of times that night or in a previous night, they will be able to use it again on a future night, and be notified of this. Good luck, your host Lux ◢ ◤ . |
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Post by Lux ◢ ◤ on Sept 23, 2018 14:02:09 GMT -5
No one died! It's now Day 2. The deadline will be in 2 days, at 3 PM EDT at the 25th of September... Mylo13 💜Rose "Payola" Nylund@doinktheclown @antigonerising |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 14:42:00 GMT -5
Nobody died?
So that means either
A) We have another Town Sheriff or Roleblocker
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B) The last Mafia is inactive
I know how that makes me look, but I'm trying to help the best I can on my end
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 23, 2018 14:55:07 GMT -5
If it is option 1, that person can single-handedly help town win. If it is option 2, we should be able to figure this out.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 23, 2018 16:41:22 GMT -5
Yeah, a no-kill is weird.
Is it worth mass-claiming at this point?
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 23, 2018 16:45:07 GMT -5
I can claim that I was in a Quicktopic with Wob and Cynthia, and Wob claimed that they'd targeted Caged with their role Night 1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 17:01:20 GMT -5
Only have a few minutes, but yeah no-kill is confusing. And I have two competing theories about it that I don't have time to delve into at the moment.
Mass claim is a good idea. I held off on it in Mylo's chat b/c even though my suspicions were on Max most of the day I still wasn't sure it would be a good idea to say there. But I can at least corroborate Mylo's claim for the QT.
I'm Katy Perry, and one time during the game I can witness (I see what you did there Lux) who visits me at night. I saved it for N2, but got nothing in my inbox.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 17:03:47 GMT -5
I'm Rihanna, and my one time power was I "Shot a Man" down and killed them if I thought they were Mafia (Sorry Sercies)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 23, 2018 17:48:19 GMT -5
My initial plan was to role claim the second Day 3 started but then the no-kill made me want to rethink my plan because I kind of had a thought behind it.
I'm fucking Taylor Swift.
I had some sort of a one-time deflector power where I could activate it for a full night/day phase, which I did for the first night phase because I thought I'd be either targeted for the night-kill or for the second day phase - which I almost was. My deflector target was Wob. Meaning, if I was targeted, Wob would be killed. I did that because I thought Wob was scum. So either way, I wasn't killed in the first night phase so nothing happened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 18:17:57 GMT -5
Vote: Nose Rylund
Girl, I love you, but all of us had a Pun with each and every one of our powers, and the fact you didn't reveal yours straight out, when all of us came out with it, is Kinda suspicious
I'll change my vote if anything else comes up
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 23, 2018 18:52:23 GMT -5
Wait, what? A pun? I didn't realize ya'll wanted that lmao
After releasing Look What You Made Me Do, a song nobody wanted, I'm here to get on the better side of the media and maybe show I can be a decent human being while on this game.
Paraphrased because I don't think we're allowed to copy/paste from anywhere into this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 19:22:09 GMT -5
Unvote
I'm gonna be honest, I think Taylor Swift as a heel, but you answered my suspicions and I believe I should at least give you a chance to defend yourself
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 23, 2018 22:44:49 GMT -5
Vote: Nose RylundGirl, I love you, but all of us had a Pun with each and every one of our powers, and the fact you didn't reveal yours straight out, when all of us came out with it, is Kinda suspicious I'll change my vote if anything else comes up I mean, I'm still probably most suspicious of Nose here but I don't think I ever claimed my flavour to you? I claimed in the quicktopic but you weren't there so... |
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 23, 2018 23:18:18 GMT -5
Wait wait wait hold up, Caged did you shoot Sercies night one?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 0:07:26 GMT -5
Wait wait wait hold up, Caged did you shoot Sercies night one? Yeah, I just admitted that, that's why I don't have a power anymore. |
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 24, 2018 0:47:58 GMT -5
Wait wait wait hold up, Caged did you shoot Sercies night one? Yeah, I just admitted that, that's why I don't have a power anymore. <iframe width="22.579999999999927" height="4.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 22.579999999999927px; height: 4.759999999999991px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84732531" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.579999999999927" height="4.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 22.58px; height: 4.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1070px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_83043633" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.579999999999927" height="4.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 22.58px; height: 4.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 177px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66409808" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.579999999999927" height="4.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 22.58px; height: 4.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1070px; top: 177px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54259707" scrolling="no"></iframe> That means you weren't jailkept, and that whoever was jailkept maybe WAS scum! |
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 24, 2018 0:48:51 GMT -5
And also, apparently you can vig again? Wob said they targeted you with their power night 1, so I'm not sure if that means you can or can't vig again?
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