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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 8:51:34 GMT -5
Only have a few minutes, but yeah no-kill is confusing. And I have two competing theories about it that I don't have time to delve into at the moment. I have forgotten what my two theories were now b/c these role claims have got me all the way thrown off A game this small could not possibly have both a town vig AND a town deflector/redirector who can choose his target could it? That would be way too imbalanced. Openly claiming a kill is such a bold ass move that it's hard to wrap my mind around the fact that a scum Caged would have the nerve to do it. But a vig is not an uncommon fake claim given to scum so it's entirely possible that he's just going with what was given to him. And with everyone's role claims being one-time powers, it also might not be too far-fetched to think that scum only got one bullet in this game which would explain the lack of a kill on N2. Max's claim just feels really convenient, like "oh, I used my power night one and nothing happened, and it almost happened on D2 but then the person I was aiming for anyway got lynched so oh well." Max did say he was going on a trip on D2 so it's possible that he didn't get back in time to send in the kill. Max as scum pans out if he and Caged both aimed for Kunt and Kunt jailed wob (this is the only way it makes sense for a town-vig Caged to not have gotten his power back on N2). However, one thing that did occur me as I am typing this is that Max's claimed role is a lot like my own in how its power was limited to the player (i.e. I couldn't witness anyone other than myself; Max couldn't deflect for anyone other than himself) which feels right from a balance perspective. Along those lines it also feels like a decent offset from Preds' role being able to pick one person to make the lynch. Mylo's the one person I feel ok about - I contemplated that he could be mafia and a neighborizer but the imbalance that a vig and town deflector together would create leads me to believe that Mylo is not scum. vote: Caged b/c his claim feels scummier tbh |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 9:53:48 GMT -5
But I confessed to fucking up on Day 1, if I was Scum why would I out myself like that? It would legit make no sense for any form of gameplay
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:23:59 GMT -5
That's what has me so effed up right now, tbh the way you have played has been a mess whether you were town or scum. I thought that was an easy read before but now I don't know.
But unvote: Caged anyway. I think I myself am being sloppy again and should at least see what mylo has to say about it or see if Max does something that would make me move my vote back to him.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 16:43:06 GMT -5
Max's claim just feels really convenient, like "oh, I used my power night one and nothing happened, and it almost happened on D2 but then the person I was aiming for anyway got lynched so oh well." Max did say he was going on a trip on D2 so it's possible that he didn't get back in time to send in the kill. Yeah, as I was typing mine out, it occurred to me that my claim means nothing because I have nothing to show for it lol... and of course you're the one to draw attention to that.  Here were my thoughts coming into Day 3, if I survived: Wob was lynched for Day 2 - which he would have been anyway because even if Cynthia hadn't moved her vote last minute, I would have been voted out but my deflection thing would have targeted Wob. I naturally expected a night kill for the night phase - but I didn't expect it to be me because I believed myself to be the natural target going into Day 3 so whoever the scum was was going to target me. My thoughts were, if Cynthia survived, she's the likely scum because if it were anyone else, she would have been targeted (at least, that's what I told myself. scum Juggalo or scum Mylo would want the smartest one out). Not strong reasoning by any means but other than Wob, she's the only one to have given me any sort of scum vibes. But then there were no night kills. So, that kind of throws my theory out. Or at least adds another layer that I need to think about before I make a move. |
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Post by Lux ◢ ◤ on Sept 24, 2018 16:44:07 GMT -5
Sorry for not posting lynchcounts, had stuff going on.
(No lynches right now)
Edit: Deadline is in approx 21 hours.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 17:01:36 GMT -5
Ok, a review of what we know about each person's role:
-Confirmed-
Preds - Drake - Mafia (Day 1 lynch) - can choose one player who will become the only player who can lynch that day.
Sercies - Ed Sheeran - Town (Night 1 kill) - can choose one player to protect during the night phase, but that player also can't use their power.
Wob - Bruno Mars - Town (Day 2 lynch) - can grant someone the ability to use their one-time power a second time.
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Cynthia - Katy Perry - (still alive) - can see who visits her during one night phased. Used it on night 2. Received no visits.
Juggalo - Rihanna - (still alive) - one time power of killing a player of their choosing. Used it on Sercies night 1, killing him.
Nose - Taylor Swift - (still alive) - one time deflector power that deflects a kill action for an entire night/day phase onto person of their choosing. Used it on night 1/day 2 to redirect to Wob. Didn't get used.
Mylo - ? (did Mylo claim and I just missed it?)
Mylo + Wob + Cynthia were in a quicktopic together. Cynthia referred to it as Mylo's chat, which suggests that Mylo was given the ability to create a chat and choose the players to join him? Does that make sense? I need some context here.
Presumably, Sercies' used his power on someone for night 1. If he used it on me, I wouldn't know because my power was something I can use on myself. If he used it on Wob, and Wob used his power the same night, nobody would be granted a second chance to use their power. But Wob said his role indicated that Juggalo was town, so Kunt didn't use it on Wob. Can someone explain how his role would make him think that? Mylo confirmed that Sercies didn't use his power on him for Night 1 - which means Mylo used his on night 1 - whatever that power was. Juggalo used his on Sercies night 1.
So Kunt used his power on Cynthia. But it didn't matter because she didn't use hers until night 2.
Am I missing anything here other than Mylo's role claim?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 17:05:01 GMT -5
Also, unless scum don't have the ability to perform night kills (is that even an option) and their only shot of winning is if we all off ourselves until it's 1 to 1, I don't understand Juggalo's role. Sercies was the only one killed at night. If town performs a night kill, that usually means there are 2 nightkills for that night. Does this not make sense? Can we talk about that? Why would Juggalo, a town, have the ability to kill someone at night when there have been no other nightkills in the game? Could Juggalo have avoided performing a night 2 kill just to throw us off?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 17:47:56 GMT -5
Mylo was able to invite up to two players to a quicktopic (a neighborhood essentially); he chose wob and me.
Also, in that quicktopic wob role claimed and said that his role was why he felt that Caged was town, bc Caged said he wasted his power (which made sense with wob's power). Mylo interpreted this as wob saying he targeted Caged, but after reading it again and looking at his phrasing I don't think that is what wob meant, he was just making an inference. So we don't know who wob visited on N1.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 18:05:42 GMT -5
What did wob claim his role and power was in the quick chat? Did it match his actual power? Why would wob’s power give him any indication as to anyone’s alignment if his power was to give someone else an extra night or abilities? Or did I interpret wob’s role incorrectly?
Or are you suggesting that sercies used his power on wob and that’s why caged believed he wasted his power because he didn’t get a notice that told him he could use it again since he used it on sercies, a fellow town, killing him.
Does that even make sense? Lmao
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 18:07:19 GMT -5
Re-read the last line. Ok. So unless someone remaining is holding out, wob used his power on sercies or didn’t get to use it before he was lynched.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 19:27:07 GMT -5
What did wob claim his role and power was in the quick chat? Did it match his actual power? Why would wob’s power give him any indication as to anyone’s alignment if his power was to give someone else an extra night or abilities? Or did I interpret wob’s role incorrectly? Or are you suggesting that sercies used his power on wob and that’s why caged believed he wasted his power because he didn’t get a notice that told him he could use it again since he used it on sercies, a fellow town, killing him. Does that even make sense? Lmao Yeah I don't think I understand what you're trying to ask on the second question here lol. But oddly enough you just made me think of something... When Caged fully role claimed today he apologized to Sercies for killing him. However, if he thought that his shot "went to waste" as he said on D2, then there wouldn't be any need to 'apologize' directly to Sercies b/c we could deduce that he and mafia most likely both targeted Sercies (i.e. Sercies was going to die regardless), right? Now it's my turn to ask if that made sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 19:33:09 GMT -5
I apologized to Sercies directly because that's the game I play. If I ever do something to someone, I directly speak to them if I was in the wrong. I just know I'm gonna be known as the worst mafia player ever, but please do believe me when I say I am town.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 24, 2018 20:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 24, 2018 20:39:33 GMT -5
Ahh trying to figure out mafia here is not easy lol. I might just stick with my gut but I do want to make sure I trust my gut here lol
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 24, 2018 20:45:29 GMT -5
Wait, Nose you said you were on a road trip around the time of the last night phase. Were you online at any point at the night phase?
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 24, 2018 20:46:32 GMT -5
Vote: Nose For a few things, mostly that I townread both Cynthia and Caged far more.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 21:13:57 GMT -5
What did wob claim his role and power was in the quick chat? Did it match his actual power? Why would wob’s power give him any indication as to anyone’s alignment if his power was to give someone else an extra night or abilities? Or did I interpret wob’s role incorrectly? Or are you suggesting that sercies used his power on wob and that’s why caged believed he wasted his power because he didn’t get a notice that told him he could use it again since he used it on sercies, a fellow town, killing him. Does that even make sense? Lmao Yeah I don't think I understand what you're trying to ask on the second question here lol. But oddly enough you just made me think of something... When Caged fully role claimed today he apologized to Sercies for killing him. However, if he thought that his shot "went to waste" as he said on D2, then there wouldn't be any need to 'apologize' directly to Sercies b/c we could deduce that he and mafia most likely both targeted Sercies (i.e. Sercies was going to die regardless), right? Now it's my turn to ask if that made sense. I think I get it? If Caged, being town, targeted Sercies thinking he's scum, and the actual scum targeted Sercies because he was town, Caged isn't responsible because Sercies would have been gone anyhow? Is it just me that finds it strange that this is the first time anyone has mentioned this? Or that this is the first time I've considered that there were 2 hits put out on night 1 that both targeted Sercies? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 21:15:48 GMT -5
Wait, Nose you said you were on a road trip around the time of the last night phase. Were you online at any point at the night phase? I left Saturday at about 4pm my time (slightly after my last post in this thread) and got back at 2am my time. Then I slept until like 11am or so. I was probably online at some point but since I used my one-time power during the first night phase, I had no reason to check in until the 3rd day started. So no, I didn't "miss" the deadline to "send in my scummy night kill." Good try though. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 21:16:58 GMT -5
I apologized to Sercies directly because that's the game I play. If I ever do something to someone, I directly speak to them if I was in the wrong. I just know I'm gonna be known as the worst mafia player ever, but please do believe me when I say I am town. Speaking from the perspective of a town player, do you think apologizing to Sercies benefits town in any way? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 21:18:45 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think I understand what you're trying to ask on the second question here lol. But oddly enough you just made me think of something... When Caged fully role claimed today he apologized to Sercies for killing him. However, if he thought that his shot "went to waste" as he said on D2, then there wouldn't be any need to 'apologize' directly to Sercies b/c we could deduce that he and mafia most likely both targeted Sercies (i.e. Sercies was going to die regardless), right? Now it's my turn to ask if that made sense. I think I get it? If Caged, being town, targeted Sercies thinking he's scum, and the actual scum targeted Sercies because he was town, Caged isn't responsible because Sercies would have been gone anyhow? Is it just me that finds it strange that this is the first time anyone has mentioned this? Or that this is the first time I've considered that there were 2 hits put out on night 1 that both targeted Sercies? Added thought: And Caged apologizing for something that adds nothing to the game other than drawing unnecessary attention to him. Is that what you mean @antigonerising? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 21:21:18 GMT -5
Vote: Nose For a few things, mostly that I townread both Cynthia and Caged far more. I respect process of elimination. But first /Julie What is your role claim? What is your power and how did you use it? What do you think about Caged killing Sercies on night 1 and why do you think there haven't been any other night kills this entire game? Do you think it's at all suspicious that Cynthia has lasted as long as she has? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 21:24:36 GMT -5
I apologized to Sercies directly because that's the game I play. If I ever do something to someone, I directly speak to them if I was in the wrong. I just know I'm gonna be known as the worst mafia player ever, but please do believe me when I say I am town. Speaking from the perspective of a town player, do you think apologizing to Sercies benefits town in any way? No it doesn't. As said, I'll admit I'm the worst player on these games, but I didn't do it for attention, for cover, or for anything else. I fucked up, and I wanted to own up to my mistake. That's it. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 21:25:29 GMT -5
Speaking from the perspective of a town player, do you think apologizing to Sercies benefits town in any way? No it doesn't. As said, I'll admit I'm the worst player on these games, but I didn't do it for attention, for cover, or for anything else. I f**ked up, and I wanted to own up to my mistake. That's it. Ok. Why do you think there hasn't been any other night kills other than Sercies this entire game? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 21:29:38 GMT -5
No it doesn't. As said, I'll admit I'm the worst player on these games, but I didn't do it for attention, for cover, or for anything else. I f**ked up, and I wanted to own up to my mistake. That's it. Ok. Why do you think there hasn't been any other night kills other than Sercies this entire game? I only had those two theories, which now that all four of us is talking, is very improbable. So that means either someone purposefully missed their turn and is completely fucking with us all, or someone got lucky and missed their turn. I dont know what to think anymore, but one of yall is playing an excellent game, and I completely applaud you for it. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2018 22:13:45 GMT -5
Still waiting for Mylo to role claim.
Somewhat related: Is there such a role where someone can create a quicktopic while also being scum?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 23:44:20 GMT -5
I think I get it? If Caged, being town, targeted Sercies thinking he's scum, and the actual scum targeted Sercies because he was town, Caged isn't responsible because Sercies would have been gone anyhow? Is it just me that finds it strange that this is the first time anyone has mentioned this? Or that this is the first time I've considered that there were 2 hits put out on night 1 that both targeted Sercies? Added thought: And Caged apologizing for something that adds nothing to the game other than drawing unnecessary attention to him. Is that what you mean @antigonerising? Yeah, this is what I was getting at here. The apology felt like a scum slip. I considered the possibility of two hits in one night as soon as I saw Caged's role claims, although Sercies successfully jailing mafia is also a possibility. Either way, it brought me back to D2 when you threw out the idea that I would have killed Sercies b/c an experienced player would know to aim for him. And well, that description could fit you just as well. Were you projecting? Ultimately I took the Occam's Razor approach when I put my vote on Caged b/c making sense of a town vig with the way this game has played out feels too convoluted. However, I want Mylo to elaborate more on his reason for voting for you. Or more so, why he remains more suspicious of you than Caged on D3. We were both suspicious of you on Day 2 but at the moment I'm distracted by everything that is going on with Caged, so I'm wondering what Mylo is seeing from you on D3 that I'm not. re your last post: I think mylo hasn't responded to your role claim b/c he already feels he has role claimed (and I backed him up on said claim). He didn't state his title outright, but he's essentially a neighborizer. I think I have seen a game before where there was a mafia variant of this role, but it's most often town. Oh, and his flavor is Nicki Minaj. Don't think he mentioned that in here. Continuing to question him about what IMO has already been made clear feels off to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 23:48:02 GMT -5
Basically both you (Max) and Caged look equally scummy to me right now and I'm torn as to which instinct to follow. Just about all of Caged's scumminess is tied to his role claim whereas your scumminess is tied almost solely to your behavior, and i don't know which one I should logically be giving more credence.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 25, 2018 5:52:15 GMT -5
Added thought: And Caged apologizing for something that adds nothing to the game other than drawing unnecessary attention to him. Is that what you mean @antigonerising? Yeah, this is what I was getting at here. The apology felt like a scum slip. I considered the possibility of two hits in one night as soon as I saw Caged's role claims, although Sercies successfully jailing mafia is also a possibility. Either way, it brought me back to D2 when you threw out the idea that I would have killed Sercies b/c an experienced player would know to aim for him. And well, that description could fit you just as well. Were you projecting? Ultimately I took the Occam's Razor approach when I put my vote on Caged b/c making sense of a town vig with the way this game has played out feels too convoluted. However, I want Mylo to elaborate more on his reason for voting for you. Or more so, why he remains more suspicious of you than Caged on D3. We were both suspicious of you on Day 2 but at the moment I'm distracted by everything that is going on with Caged, so I'm wondering what Mylo is seeing from you on D3 that I'm not. re your last post: I think mylo hasn't responded to your role claim b/c he already feels he has role claimed (and I backed him up on said claim). He didn't state his title outright, but he's essentially a neighborizer. I think I have seen a game before where there was a mafia variant of this role, but it's most often town. Oh, and his flavor is Nicki Minaj. Don't think he mentioned that in here. Continuing to question him about what IMO has already been made clear feels off to me. He hasn’t made it clear in here though. He may have in the quicktopic but I wasn’t in there. If everyone else explained their roles to some degree and he didn’t to the same level, and avoided answering when I asked him twice is not only odd to me, it’s annoying. It’s also even more odd that you’re speaking for him and defending him on this given that more information and more discussion can only help us. It’s also odd to me that Caged threw a vote at me earlier for not role claiming ‘properly’ yet Mylo still hasn’t. Granted, I don’t necessarily think that Mylo is our scum. He has been the most towniest lean for me of you three but I’d still like his input and would like to hear from him directly. While he’s made a lot of posts this phase, he hasn’t given much of any worth and we’re down to the wire right now. |
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 25, 2018 5:57:03 GMT -5
OMG this is probably the last chance I'm going to be on before deadline and I have like no time left ahhhh
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 25, 2018 5:58:43 GMT -5
Wait, Nose you said you were on a road trip around the time of the last night phase. Were you online at any point at the night phase? I left Saturday at about 4pm my time (slightly after my last post in this thread) and got back at 2am my time. Then I slept until like 11am or so. I was probably online at some point but since I used my one-time power during the first night phase, I had no reason to check in until the 3rd day started. So no, I didn't "miss" the deadline to "send in my scummy night kill." Good try though. Okay, cool. |
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