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Post by badrobot on Sept 24, 2022 16:15:11 GMT -5
With Harry being at #3, we could have an all LGBTQ+ top 3, which would be crazy, and definitely the first time. Literally 2 weeks ago the top 3 was Harry/Lizzo/Steve Lacey, and 1 week ago it was Harry/Steve/Harry -- so no it wouldn't be the first time. And again, this discussion is kinda weird/rude because it just practically assumes the sexuality of thousands of other artists from prior by alluding this all a first time thing in 2022. It also potentially erases any previous LGBT artists getting success prior just because they weren't open with their sexuality, or perhaps they were open and you just aren't aware. You do not know the personal/sex lives of thousands of artists who have had a top 3 hit from 1958-2022 (nor are you necessarily entitled to). To the contrary, I think this is definitely an interesting discussion. I think if you just add the word "openly" in front of LGBTQ+, it's an insight into how queer voices are perceived and how successful they can be. This doesn't seem like people feeling entitled to info about sex lives, it seems like a good way to gauge how openly LGBTQ+ artists fit in our culture right now. The thing that does feel a bit odd to me is that, to my knowledge, Harry Styles and Lizzo have only vaguely alluded to being non-straight as opposed to being outright open about it and identifying as gay or bi/pan. I think they've both said they reject labels (so it feels kind of weird to assign them the "queer" label if they didn't put it on themselves). So if you just talk about artists who have openly labeled themselves as LGBT, I'm not sure either would qualify. I'm sure that opens a HUGE can of worms around gate-keeping, but I think both Harry and Lizzo are probably perceived as straight (or "straight-passing") by the general public in a way that someone like Lil Nas X or Sam Smith wouldn't be. |
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Post by iHype. on Sept 24, 2022 16:21:52 GMT -5
Literally 2 weeks ago the top 3 was Harry/Lizzo/Steve Lacey, and 1 week ago it was Harry/Steve/Harry -- so no it wouldn't be the first time. And again, this discussion is kinda weird/rude because it just practically assumes the sexuality of thousands of other artists from prior by alluding this all a first time thing in 2022. It also potentially erases any previous LGBT artists getting success prior just because they weren't open with their sexuality, or perhaps they were open and you just aren't aware. You do not know the personal/sex lives of thousands of artists who have had a top 3 hit from 1958-2022 (nor are you necessarily entitled to). To the contrary, I think this is definitely an interesting discussion. I think if you just add the word "openly" in front of LGBTQ+, it's an insight into how queer voices are perceived and how successful they can be. This doesn't seem like people feeling entitled to info about sex lives, it seems like a good way to gauge how openly LGBTQ+ artists fit in our culture right now. The thing that does feel a bit odd to me is that, to my knowledge, Harry Styles and Lizzo have only vaguely alluded to being non-straight as opposed to being outright open about it and identifying as gay or bi/pan. I think they've both said they reject labels (so it feels kind of weird to assign them the "queer" label if they didn't put it on themselves). So if you just talk about artists who have openly labeled themselves as LGBT, I'm not sure either would qualify. I'm sure that opens a HUGE can of worms around gate-keeping, but I think both Harry and Lizzo are probably perceived as straight (or "straight-passing") by the general public in a way that someone like Lil Nas X or Sam Smith wouldn't be. Moreso, I think we should just celebrate LGBT artists having mainstream success rather than turning it into a "first to ever ___" debate which is just a can of worms and in the end, doesn't even hold up when we don't know in-depth information on the sexualities of every single artist to achieve mainstream success nor should we feel the need to. I get wanting to celebrate them getting success, but going into arguments on which artists did what first, who technically identifies as what, and who passes off as what is a messy can of worms. |
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Post by badrobot on Sept 24, 2022 16:32:30 GMT -5
^I'll agree that the "firsts" thing is kind of weird to me, there's always a bunch of asterisks anyway.
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Post by kimberly on Sept 24, 2022 16:40:54 GMT -5
I think first trans artist to hit No. 1 / debut in the Top 10 is worth celebrating, no matter how you slice it.
I do get the concern though, especially in the cases of artists like George Michael, Freddie Mercury, or even Elton John. but I think we can make our statements based on the publicly available information and correct ourselves when the time comes -- no big deal. and usually, these conversations are about people succeeding DESPITE openly being themselves and exploring their sexuality, against all the hatred and oppression, so retroactive celebrations aren't particularly necessary imo.
Harry and Lizzo join artists like Ariana Grande and Billie Eilish, who all have "alluded" to maybe possibly not being straight but never acknowledged themselves as part of the LGBTQ+ community. so I wouldn't count Ariana's historic week occupying Top 3 as queer representation (even though "buwygf" video does have a suggestive girl on girl scene--all the more complicating things) or last week's Top 3.
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Post by Limited Edition on Sept 24, 2022 16:49:48 GMT -5
We MIGHT have a proper new hit!??!? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
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Post by rainygirl on Sept 24, 2022 17:15:11 GMT -5
Did AM break up with LNX or something? So strange he didnβt make an impact .. at least heβs somewhere on Spotify
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Post by big2000 on Sept 24, 2022 17:23:32 GMT -5
Plus itβs already #34 on pop radio. It should still have a nice debut.
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Post by degen on Sept 24, 2022 17:31:43 GMT -5
Does it really matter who is gay, bi, non-binary etc. Like why is this still a thing in 2022? Is anyone aware of how ambiguous 70s artists were and how many times people who identify as such and such, have already topped the charts and done it all.
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Post by degen on Sept 24, 2022 17:36:15 GMT -5
Did AM break up with LNX or something? So strange he didnβt make an impact .. at least heβs somewhere on Spotify He has low key been underperforming, but itβs okay. Itβs not always about where you start, but moreso where you end up. I think radio will support βStar Walkinββ and i can see the song having plenty of longevity on streaming where it can at least become a long-winded hit like βThatβs What I Want.β Also Iβd look at this song as like a soundtrack single, moreso than a lead single that would create more hype and a bigger first day. |
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Post by Groovy on Sept 24, 2022 17:53:25 GMT -5
Does it really matter who is gay, bi, non-binary etc. Like why is this still a thing in 2022? Is anyone aware of how ambiguous 70s artists were and how many times people who identify as such and such, have already topped the charts and done it all. Cause representation matters. |
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Post by kimberly on Sept 24, 2022 18:23:03 GMT -5
very iconique π
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Post by M5AGTS on Sept 24, 2022 18:30:17 GMT -5
I think this is the nail in the coffin for Bad Habit. It's chances for reaching #1 are over.
Also I kind of predicted this, cause I could just see that it was taking too long. Did I expect the nail in the coffin to be a Sam Smith/Kim Petras collab? Absolutely not. But I still called Bad Habit not reaching #1.
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Post by atg on Sept 24, 2022 18:36:33 GMT -5
Sam and Kim's performance reminds me of Jack Harlow's "First Class." we all knew there was some hype for it based on TikTok popularity but I don't think many people thought it would smash out the gate and debut at No. 1. I sense a similar level of "what is going on?!?!" with this one. not saying it'll debut at No. 1, but the initial feelings around the songs' popularity seem comparable. It would really be crazy if Sam Smith gets their first #1 only now when theyβre clearly past their peak. Its up there with Nicki getting her first actual real genuine #1 with Super Freaky Girl. Sam really said βfk it, Bad Habit couldnβt do it for weeks so iβm just going to end AIW once and for all and also stopping it at 15 weeks so we can finally have a #1 song in that slotβ. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 24, 2022 18:54:35 GMT -5
i do feel that bad habit ought to have edged out as it was a few times.
but it wasn't huge. its 4 weeks topping overall streaming all averaged slightly under 3 million daily streams.
not like kate bush who had a week averaging over 4 million daily streams.
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Post by jasper0102 on Sept 24, 2022 19:25:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I was gonna make a mention about how Unholy could potentially block Bad Habit from going to number-one. And I think how iβm still not fully convinced Unholy is going to number-one might have something to do with Bad Habit.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Sept 24, 2022 19:32:06 GMT -5
Just heard "Unholy" and I really don't wanna hear it again. What a mess.........
That's it, guess I'm officially in that age when you dislike (don't see the appeal of) today's top hits.π€·
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 24, 2022 19:46:41 GMT -5
Just heard "Unholy" and I really don't wanna hear it again. What a mess......... That's it, guess I'm officially in that age when you dislike (don't see the appeal of) today's top hits.π€· i mean you can dislike hits even as a kid. i never cared for, say, run it or you're beautiful. |
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Post by rainygirl on Sept 24, 2022 20:03:55 GMT -5
Now GloRilla and Cardi are number 1 on AM πππ what a week !! Didnβt think this one would go anywhere
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Post by M5AGTS on Sept 24, 2022 20:21:58 GMT -5
Now GloRilla and Cardi are number 1 on AM πππ what a week !! Didnβt think this one would go anywhere I mean, it is a bop, so I'm happy about it. |
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Post by rainygirl on Sept 24, 2022 20:26:44 GMT -5
Now GloRilla and Cardi are number 1 on AM πππ what a week !! Didnβt think this one would go anywhere I mean, it is a bop, so I'm happy about it. I didnβt mean it wasnβt a bop , just surprised that s all . Cardi has been underperforming.. Itβs been a good week for surprise performances thatβs for sure |
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Post by notgoodenglish on Sept 24, 2022 20:36:31 GMT -5
US Spotify - 09/23/22
16( +2) Omar Apollo - Evergreen 670,399 ( +31,975) Talking about LGBTQ+ artists, lets not overlooked Omar Apollo getting finally a hit a! Love to see an amazing gay latino artist (and handsome!!) getting his mainstream success. |
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Post by M5AGTS on Sept 24, 2022 20:42:41 GMT -5
I guess this means us gays are taking over the world. How are conservatives ever going to survive?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2022 20:54:13 GMT -5
Does it really matter who is gay, bi, non-binary etc. Like why is this still a thing in 2022? Is anyone aware of how ambiguous 70s artists were and how many times people who identify as such and such, have already topped the charts and done it all. Considering the state of America now, iβd say the representation of LGBTQ+ artists definitely matters. |
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Post by Envoirment on Sept 24, 2022 21:20:27 GMT -5
102(+64) Lizzo - 2 Be Loved (Am I Ready) 317,566 (+63,272)
RISE! Added to Today's Top Hits so should hopefully keep rising quite a bit more as the week progresses.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 25, 2022 2:12:05 GMT -5
Unholy is probably a "flash in the pan" type of hit but sometimes we need those from pop too, not just Drake with his album tracks.
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Post by Anticonformity on Sept 25, 2022 2:27:03 GMT -5
Does it really matter who is gay, bi, non-binary etc. Like why is this still a thing in 2022? Is anyone aware of how ambiguous 70s artists were and how many times people who identify as such and such, have already topped the charts and done it all. Considering the state of America now, iβd say the representation of LGBTQ+ artists definitely matters. Especially Bisexual guys :( |
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 25, 2022 3:21:47 GMT -5
Considering the state of America now, iβd say the representation of LGBTQ+ artists definitely matters. Especially Bisexual guys :(  |
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Post by After Minutes on Sept 25, 2022 3:31:08 GMT -5
Especially Bisexual guys :( Steve Lacy is bi and static even has a lyric that goes something like "looking for a bit h cause I'm over boys", that is decent representation Also Tyler on Cash In Cash Our basically comes out as bi All in all this is a good year for bi male representation |
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Sept 25, 2022 3:59:17 GMT -5
Now GloRilla and Cardi are number 1 on AM πππ what a week !! Didnβt think this one would go anywhere oh no |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 25, 2022 6:54:08 GMT -5
Unholy on Spotify - Day 2:
#1 (=) with 1,836,546 streams (-651,911)
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