Billboard Hot 100: 10/05/2024

[KeepDeanWeird]

On the no-such-thing-as-bad publicity:

Luminate reports P.D's streams increased 18.3% last tracking week.

I'm sure the surge will continue as this story continues to get significant coverage.

On another note: Taylor can grab that 13th #1 + revive KP's career by putting Katy on a remix of ICDIWABH. Done.

[85la]

Sept 23, 2024 16:31:07 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

On the no-such-thing-as-bad publicity:

Luminate reports P.D's streams increased 18.3% last tracking week.

I'm sure the surge will continue as this story continues to get significant coverage.

Ok, but from what to what? That doesn't mean much if the numbers are still relatively small. Also, no lol. Look at what happened to R. Kelly.

[Enigma.]

People are just reminding themselves of what his discography consist of. He is not getting new hits because of this.

Even I listened to No Way Out not so long time ago.

[fridayteenage]

Sept 23, 2024 23:10:12 GMT -5 85la said:

Sept 23, 2024 16:31:07 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

On the no-such-thing-as-bad publicity:

Luminate reports P.D's streams increased 18.3% last tracking week.

I'm sure the surge will continue as this story continues to get significant coverage.

Ok, but from what to what? That doesn't mean much if the numbers are still relatively small. Also, no lol. Look at what happened to R. Kelly.

per kworb, on Spotify, he's getting 2.1 mil daily.
that would be ranked #706 for most streamed artists.

[85la]

Sept 22, 2024 9:24:36 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

143 doing worse than Smile is something I never expected, especially since she had way more momentum going into this era than her last. I can't believe how many tweets this past year I read about people being hyped for the next album, calling her the queen of pop and all that stuff. Woman's World and the Dr. Luke connection really ruined her reputation among pop stans, meanwhile the GP didn't show out like her last couple records so now she has nobody.

I listened to the album and I don't think it deserves all the harsh reviews, because it isn't really a bad album it's just an aggressively mediocre album, it's pure background noise. I've gone on record here saying I actually found Smile to be a pretty good album minus a couple songs and I stand by that, I think if she continued down that lane but with less filler she could've at least given us a classic pop album even without the commercial success but instead we got a flop album that's also terrible, great work Katy! I really think she's over for real, there's no commercial comeback for her, the curtains have closed on her hit making career officially.

I have to say I'm not at all surprised 143 has done worse than Smile, and am a bit puzzled why there has been such a huge amount of buzz and conversation for her this era, and why her label has chosen to market her so much, a la "Mimi" and "The Return of The Voice." After Prism, she was clearly on a sudden and downward trajectory with Smile being an outright flop, and she hasn't even had any one-off substantial hits since then, so she's already been clearly done for a few years. Almost standard operating procedure and shelf life for generic pop stars. But of course she has done much better than the average pop star. I would say that if you can last for 3 big albums and at least 5 years, you've definitely gone beyond a quick fad, and will have set a solid legacy it would be hard to forget.

As for 143, I actually like most of the album (I think I listened to it before knowing about most of the reviews, which will definitely leave your perceptions untainted). I don't think it's qualitatively too different from her earlier work, so if you were a fan of that, you're almost guaranteed to like a few of the tracks.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

I think it's not that far fetched to say Drake, even with a hit song calling him a pdf file all throughout the season, had a better summer than Katy. At least Drake can get curiosity streams even for a day or two, no one is checking out or giving Katy a chance after WOMAN'S WORLD.

[wavey.]

Capitol not even helping with playlists(very slowly) or sending anything to radio. After selling her publishing, I'm assuming she's not worried about commercial success anymore. Just her and Capitol vibing lol.

[clsvltn]

Sept 23, 2024 23:56:19 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Sept 23, 2024 23:10:12 GMT -5 85la said:

Ok, but from what to what? That doesn't mean much if the numbers are still relatively small. Also, no lol. Look at what happened to R. Kelly.

per kworb, on Spotify, he's getting 2.1 mil daily.
that would be ranked #706 for most streamed artists.

Does this include all his names? I'm not sure if Spotify has them all combined together or what but he has streaming under Diddy, P Diddy, Puff Daddy, Brother love? or something? Lol and his group Diddy Dirty Money etc.

A lot of his songs anyway he is an after thought.  He was like  DJ Khaled of the 90s only difference is he did rap of course but he was someone who used his influence and star power to wrangle together one of the most successful labels and tropes of musicians in (Rap) music history.  Such a shame this is being revealed and tarnishing all of that and the work he has done with so many. 

[fridayteenage]

So Gags is having a soundtrack album, a companion semi soundtrack album, and a regular album in the next few months?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2024 » / « 09 » / « 24 »

1(=) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 92.95(+0.63)
2(=) Post Malone - I Had Some Help (feat. Morgan Wallen) 77.13(-0.18) -
3(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 69.53(+0.09)
4(=) Hozier - Too Sweet 64.54(+0.20)
5(=) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 57.24(-0.11)

6(=) Billie Eilish - BIRDS OF A FEATHER 56.85(+0.44)
7(=) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 54.08(-0.44)
8(=) Chappell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 52.89(+0.13)
9(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Please Please Please 51.37(-0.41) -
10(=) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 50.22(-0.89)

16(=) Post Malone - Pour Me A Drink (feat. Blake Shelton) 36.83(+0.77)

24(+1) Jordan Adetunji - KEHLANI (REMIX) [feat. Kehlani] 29.71(+0.88)

46(+2) The Weeknd - Dancing In The Flames 18.42(+0.90)

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

[Enigma.]

YAY MOTHER!

It doesn't have physical release on Friday though - those come on Oct 11.

[clsvltn]

Is there a separate soundtrack plus this ? That seems bizarre. I thought this was replacing a standard soundtrack per her agreement for the movie they would let her release the music separately

[Mayman]

Sept 24, 2024 13:12:48 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

YAY MOTHER!

It doesn't have physical release on Friday though - those come on Oct 11.

I looked at her webstore when she announced it and it said all physicals were shipping this Friday. It looks like in the US it ships on release and in the UK physicals ship on the 11th.

[Mayman]

Sept 24, 2024 13:35:59 GMT -5 clsvltn said:

Is there a separate soundtrack plus this ? That seems bizarre. I thought this was replacing a standard soundtrack per her agreement for the movie they would let her release the music separately

Yes, think of it like Beyoncé's "The Gift."

[Enigma.]

Sept 24, 2024 13:39:54 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Sept 24, 2024 13:12:48 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

YAY MOTHER!

It doesn't have physical release on Friday though - those come on Oct 11.

I looked at her webstore when she announced it and it said all physicals were shipping this Friday. It looks like in the US it ships on release and in the UK physicals ship on the 11th.

Oh, that's interesting! I am going to pick my copy from the local record store but would be nice to know when lol

[sayhey]

Sept 23, 2024 15:51:02 GMT -5 Choco said:

When Katy was at her peak it was cool for pop music to get hated on Metacritic. Her scores could have improved if she had kept the quality as critics opened up to the sound she was making but sadly that coincided with her crash and burn. 58 is fairly accurate for Smile (good stuff in there but overall a very just there project).

Agreed, back in the early 2010s, and until the mid-late 2010s, critics were much more conservative and unfriendly towards pop and dance-oriented music. For example, an album like Madonna's Confessions on a Dance Floor achieving a score of 80% on Metacritic back in 2005 was a big rarity. Any pop album in the 60s and over on MC until the mid-late 2010s was essentially a critically acclaimed work for its genre. Now, thankfully, critics are more receptive and appreciative of dance and pop music in general. I think this was best manifested in Charli XCX's case with her hyperpop gem Brat which achieved a staggering 95% on Metacritic. But I'd say one of the first notable cases of this trend was Dua Lipa's wonderful nu-disco album Future Nostalgia, which received an incredible 88%. Essentially, critics have embraced poptimism to a great extent lately and I think that's great! It's especially refreshing to see publications like Pitchfork consistently highly rate new pop albums and even reissues of classic pop records (namely Diana Ross' classic 1980 disco album, Diana, which recently received a 9.5/10 on Pitchfork, which I believe is the highest score they've ever given to any pop artist iirc). I think this new attitude was spurred by an effort within the music publishing industry to combat both genre elitism and sexism and it's really refreshing to witness it.

Anyway, here's to Katy achieving a well-deserved comeback one day. But she needs to distance herself from Dr. Luke and deliver proper pop anthems like she used to. I'm really rooting for her to score a 10th #1 in the States someday! And let me just add that I found it so disheartening when Never Really Over underperformed. That was probably her best single to date, a true pop gem imo but sadly it never really took off! Oh well!

[shakemaki]

It used to be infuriating to see the way mainstream pop music was treated in terms of acclaim/prestige back in the 00s and some of the 10s. Especially female pop. Fantastic that it’s finally changed, but it sure took time. Melodrama felt like a big breakthrough for that, even though sadly the mainstream success wasn’t there.

On an aside, it’s still mind-boggling that Brat has a 95 meta. That absolutely would not have been possible 10 years ago.

[thegreatdivine]

It's safe to say Katy's viability on the charts is shot to hell. It also doesn't help that she is currently dropping the worst music of her entire career while still associating with problematic figures in the industry. All those things combined will only ever result in disaster.

I don't know how she made all the songs off her latest album, listened back to them several times over and still decided to put them out as a legit effort to re-establish herself. The entire album sucks. She'd have been better off doing a total rebrand, ditching pop music entirely and making an acoustic/folklore-esque album with honest songs that weren't making a hard attempt at being chart hits. That might not have made a commercial splash either, but if the music was good, it'd have marked the beginning of her earning her way back into the GP's good graces.

After Taylor dropped reputation and then Lover (two successful albums considering the numbers the rest of the industry was putting up at the time, but not-so-successful for Taylor's standards), she immediately abandoned her pop ambitions (if only for a while) and doubled down with 2 albums that were acoustic-led. Of course, the music on those albums had to be really good for it to have its intended impact, but folklore got Taylor back all the good will she'd supposedly lost with the GP and she hasn't looked back since. That's something Katy should have at least tried to mimic. That's a playbook that's been used and worked. But then again, it's probably easier said and done. Oh well.

[85la]

^ That's probably all coming next, but it might be too late, and she was never quite as huge of an industry figure as Taylor, nor quite as talented, to be in a position where she could pull that off.

[Choco]

This album's biggest sin is that it proved Katy has nothing interesting to say. She comes up with these elaborate scenarios where LIFETIMES is a song about her eternal love for her daughter or WOMAN'S WORLD is a satire about feminism and then you find nothing of the sort on the actual music.

She needs a full creative overhaul.

[thegreatdivine]

I think the most noteworthy thing about Katy's current predicament is that she really doesn't have anything interesting to say about anything, really. Not even herself, and that's saying a lot.

I blame that on her music always having been bubblegum pop music that didn't ever say much in the first place and not to continue with the contrasts with Taylor but Taylor built her entire career off personal songs, before eventually transitioning into making big pop anthems.

I guess that's the downside to being a pop singer who hasn't ever said much about yourself in your music: it's hard to get anyone to care about what you have to say later in your career and once your songs stop translating to huge pop anthems, you're pretty much done.

Katy can keep trying but until the music itself becomes much better (at least to the point of being fairly serviceable pop music), she'll keep getting this reception.

If nothing else, at least, we'll always have her One of the Boys-Teenage Dream-Prism run.

[jenglisbe]

Sept 25, 2024 8:57:01 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

I think the most noteworthy thing about Katy's current predicament is that she really doesn't have anything interesting to say about anything, really. Not even herself, and that's saying a lot.

I blame that on her music always having been bubblegum pop music that didn't ever say much in the first place and not to continue with the contrasts with Taylor but Taylor built her entire career off personal songs, before eventually transitioning into making big pop anthems.

I guess that's the downside to being a pop singer who hasn't ever said much about yourself in your music: it's hard to get anyone to care about what you have to say later in your career and once your songs stop translating to huge pop anthems, you're pretty much done.

Yeah. I found the specific chart comparisons between Katy and Paula to be a bit off the mark, but there are similarities to be noted for sure. I think one is that being a vessel for solid pop music but not much else usually means your shelf life is limited. At some point people have to know about (and be interested in) someone as a person and artist for that artist to remain fully relevant. If your music seems to lack personal revelation and investment, the public will lose interest.

[Choco]

Katy has never been on the same game as Taylor. The better comparison is Gaga, and even when she went back to dance on Chromatica it still felt personal and said something about her without going full Tortured Poets Lore Dump about her life.

Honestly Dua Lipa committed a similar sin to Katy with Radical Optimism. It said very little about her. It saved face by not working with a known SA and having great production. I don't want everyone to follow Taylor/Olivia into giving us full accounts of their love life but at least make it feel personal (Sabrina's album? Personality, some little clues about some of it being about her love life, catchy hooks... follow that).

[avamaxstan]

I don't think Paula is an accurate analog as Katy had a bonafide 6+ year run as the biggest hitmaker and three big eras. Dua feels like the current generation's Katy - roughly 6 years as a major hitmaker, a breakout era followed by a massive career-defining album, serves reliable radio bops but an unclear artistic identity, relies more on GP support than diehard fanbase, decline began when the bops stopped coming.

[lazer]

It’s amazing how Linkin Park has a more successful comeback than Katy Perry. Even without Chester.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2024 » / « 09 » / « 25 »

1(=) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 93.43(+0.48)
2(=) Post Malone - I Had Some Help (feat. Morgan Wallen) 76.94(-0.20)
3(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 69.63(+0.10)
4(=) Hozier - Too Sweet 64.54(-0.00)
5(=) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 57.28(+0.04)

6(=) Billie Eilish - BIRDS OF A FEATHER 56.86(+0.01)
7(=) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 53.79(-0.29)
8(=) Chappell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 52.48(-0.41)
9(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Please Please Please 51.29(-0.08)
10(+1) Dasha - Austin (Boots Stop Workin') 49.72(+0.29)

15(=) Jelly Roll - I Am Not Okay 41.46(+0.91)

16(=) Post Malone - Pour Me A Drink (feat. Blake Shelton) 37.69(+0.86)

44(+2) The Weeknd - Dancing In The Flames 19.17(+0.74)

-(-) Future - TOO FAST 5.33(+0.79)

[†ealsünset]

Sept 25, 2024 11:36:28 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2024 » / « 09 » / « 25 »

Die for You and I'm Good (Blue) complete two full years in the Top 100.

[owenlovesmusic]

In terms of hits, I would argue Katy Perry is bigger but out of raw success, Taylor is definitely bigger.

If you disagree, go ahead and give the Teenage Dream album another listen.

[lazer]

The new Weeknd with Playboi Carti single releasing this Friday could save his new era.