Billboard Hot 100: 10/05/2024

[sayhey]

Sept 26, 2024 13:46:48 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

One other quick note on Paula is that her quitting music after her third album leaves a lot up in the air as far as what might have been. There’s no reason to think that once upbeat pop music exploded again in the late 90s, she couldn’t have had some kind of comeback with good material. Hell, if Cher could, why on earth would Paula not have at least been a possibility?

You do have a point there. Actually, Paula co-wrote Kylie Minogue's 2000 UK #1 smash Spinning Around, which was originally intended for her comeback album, which was, however, scrapped. That song is a nu-disco gem and I feel Paula would have also sounded great on it. I always wondered whether a demo of Paula's version exists anywhere, actually. I feel the nu-disco sound of Kylie's version wouldn't have fared that well on US radio if Paula released it there but I always assumed her version would be a bit more R&B-inflected. Added to that, and aside from Cher's iconic comeback, the late 90s saw several unexpected comebacks from Santana to the totally random return of Jordan Knight of NKOTB fame with the #10 hit Give it to You. So, technically, Paula did have a chance in the TRL era with a proper pop song imo. 

Regarding whether the precipitous decline of Paula and other late 80's-early 90s stars is attributable to the adoption of Soundscan, I have to say I'm skeptical about that. Firstly, to say the success of her first two records was the product of chart manipulation is a stretch imo. It is true that fraud was rampant in the pre-SS era, with the late 80s and very early 90s probably representing the culmination of those fraudulent tactics. However, it is important to remember that the labels employed such tactics across the board. That would include bolstering the stats of their most prominent and profitable artists, who did have legitimately strong stats in the first place though. Yes, I'm sure that the major labels "faked" or significantly boosted the positions of emerging artists who they attempted to introduce to the public. But you can't fake an album like FYG, which spent 10 weeks at #1 and 64 weeks in the top 10 and spawned 4 #1s/5 top 3s. And you can't fake a smash like Rush Rush, which achieved tremendous longevity (for its time) with its 5-week stay at #1 on the Hot 100.

Some genres were definitely underrepresented in the pre-SS charts but that doesn't negate the legitimate popularity of the top pop artists of the time. Dance-pop and NJS were legitimately huge in the late 80s and early 90s, as evidenced by the explosion of acts like Milli Vanilli and NKOTB. In the post-Nirvana and post-NWA industry, however, and especially by 1993, by which time their genres had become really established, dance-pop artists like Paula Abdul, Taylor Dayne, Roxette and several NJS acts lost their edge and commercial viability, which was then reflected in their SS numbers.

Also, regarding TPOAND's discrepancy between its pre-SS Hot 100 stats and its test-SS stats, that was also the case for other pop singles at the time like Roxette's Fading Like a Flower, a #2 Hot 100 hit that also peaked lower on the SS-based test chart. While those cases are definitely interesting, I think it is important to remember that in the very early 90s, Soundscan actually omitted several retailers that were not equipped with the technology required to scan records, the most notable example being Tower Records, which at the time was the 2d largest retailer in the US. So those test charts might have been inaccurate themselves, which would arguably explain those discrepancies to an extent. 

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Why are people acting obtuse as if every comparison has to be a 1:1? I think it's very obvious what people mean when they say Katy's career is similar to Paula's without it having to be a direct mirror. Like we're splitting hairs.

On a side note: One Of The Boys yielded 2 big hits (a third noteable but not huge hit) but it was never seen as some "giant" era (in terms of single performance, album performance, ubiquity overall) or even one of the biggest eras of that period, so why people are trying to claim she has "3" huge eras (I'd argue 1.5) feels off to me. It's accumulative total until now is around 1.7 million. That's not a massive figure at all, especially factoring in the single success. Before Teenage Dream, Katy wasn't really a household name. Now Teenage Dream is in a totally different league than any of her other albums. She was everywhere as were her singles, despite the album itself having underwhelming sales comparatively, but it was definitely huge all in all. I would say the same with the first half of the Prism era as she coasted off the success of Teenage Dream and into the dominant "Roar" and "Dark Horse" period. She started faltering around "Birthday" during the Prism era which puts Katy's peak period between the years of 2010-2013. That's a 3 year span at the tippy-top. She was building her name with her first album, deflecting from one hit wonder status, then hit her stride in Teenage Dream and dipped commercially halfway through Prism in my opinion.

[Resident_Evil]

Sept 25, 2024 22:47:35 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

espresso rn
YouTube 8
apple 10
Spotify 6
radio 3

Would a remix help at this point to propel it to #1? It cannot not go to #1.

[jesseda]

Sept 26, 2024 20:14:29 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Why are people acting obtuse as if every comparison has to be a 1:1? I think it's very obvious what people mean when they say Katy's career is similar to Paula's without it having to be a direct mirror. Like we're splitting hairs.

On a side note: One Of The Boys yielded 2 big hits (a third noteable but not huge hit) but it was never seen as some "giant" era (in terms of single performance, album performance, ubiquity overall) or even one of the biggest eras of that period, so why people are trying to claim she has "3" huge eras (I'd argue 1.5) feels off to me. It's accumulative total until now is around 1.7 million. That's not a massive figure at all, especially factoring in the single success. Before Teenage Dream, Katy wasn't really a household name. Now Teenage Dream is in a totally different league than any of her other albums. She was everywhere as were her singles, despite the album itself having underwhelming sales comparatively, but it was definitely huge all in all. I would say the same with the first half of the Prism era as she coasted off the success of Teenage Dream and into the dominant "Roar" and "Dark Horse" period. She started faltering around "Birthday" during the Prism era which puts Katy's peak period between the years of 2010-2013. That's a 3 year span at the tippy-top. She was building her name with her first album, deflecting from one hit wonder status, then hit her stride in Teenage Dream and dipped commercially halfway through Prism in my opinion.

The effort to paint the laughable “1.5 huge era” point 😂

Dark Horse dominated over 2014. That’s already 2010-2014. Not 3 years like you said. Five years, minimum. Plus it’s ridiculous to only count as successful the TOP era in someone’s career. If TD is her prime, Prism is more than some legend acts have touched chart success. Or OOTB - singles wise. She had 3 very successful eras. Spanning throughout nearly a decade. She doesn’t have to be the #1 pop star each year in activity for that to be true. It’s actually not true for any artist, ever. Otherwise, Adele can only have dominated for “2 eras”. Beyoncé for one? Taylor for two? You don’t have to have the biggest single each year to be counted successful. It’s ridiculous to try and apppy such a standard to Katy only. If feels forced.

[mms82]

Sept 26, 2024 20:54:05 GMT -5 Resident_Evil said:

Sept 25, 2024 22:47:35 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

espresso rn
YouTube 8
apple 10
Spotify 6
radio 3

Would a remix help at this point to propel it to #1? It cannot not go to #1.

Espresso featuring Katy and Taylor incoming haha

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Sept 26, 2024 21:25:39 GMT -5 jesseda said:

The effort to paint the laughable “1.5 huge era” point 😂

There is no "effort" to do anything here other than to just state and explain my opinion like everyone else.

Dark Horse dominated over 2014. That's already 2010-2014

"Dark Horse" hit #1 in February of 2014. It's not as if it was sailing high into 2015. With that said, I just briefly glanced at the release date of Prism (2013) to roughly calculate time period so I was off a bit on my estimation. So cool, 4 years. It's really not that serious.

Plus it’s ridiculous to only count as successful the TOP era in someone’s career.

Never said the time period highlighted was the *only* success of her career. I highlighted it specifically as her peak of dominance quite clearly. Teenage Dream leading into Prism was a MUCH higher level of success than One Of The Boys or "Birthday" onward clearly. Peak period is peak period for a reason.

It’s ridiculous to try and apppy such a standard to Katy only. If feels forced.

Did I miss the conversation where we were all discussing all other artists career peaks or their respective "huge eras" where I didn't apply the same formula? No, because that didn't happen. Quite presumptuous of you to assume I would only apply this standard to Katy when you are absolutely wrong. Stop putting your assumptions and your inaccurate idea of my intentions onto me as if they're fact please. Thanks. Just for arguments sake of it were Taylor we were discussing I would say her peak era was 2022-2024, with her huge eras accumulatively being around (2014-15 with 1989,
2008-2010 with Fearless, 2022-2024 with Midnights on) 6 years give or take.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Katy’s first album was a hit, to the point that if she didn’t have any hits after it, it still would have left its mark - albeit as a flash in the pan on the pop chart. Maybe kind of like a Michelle Branch-type scenario but bigger because Katy had a pair of charttopping hits and a couple minor ones.
Her third album was also a hit, with two significant hits and some additional minor ones. If Prism was her only album, it would have put her on the map as a one-album-wonder.
It just so happened both were overshadowed by a once-in-a-generation hitmaking era. I would say TD was a dominating era. The other two were significant as well and at a level a lot of pop stars don’t get to have, but not dominating.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Sept 26, 2024 22:19:13 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Katy’s first album was a hit, to the point that if she didn’t have any hits after it, it still would have left its mark - albeit as a flash in the pan on the pop chart. Maybe kind of like a Michelle Branch-type scenario but bigger because Katy had a pair of charttopping hits and a couple minor ones.
Her third album was also a hit, with two significant hits and some additional minor ones. If Prism was her only album, it would have put her on the map as a one-album-wonder.
It just so happened both were overshadowed by a once-in-a-generation hitmaking era. I would say TD was a dominating era. The other two were significant as well and at a level a lot of pop stars don’t get to have, but not dominating.

I absolutely think all three of those Katy eras are successful, I just think of eras on a sliding scale and it all comparatively speaking. When I think of a "huge era", I think 1989, I think Teenage Dream, I think Falling Into You, I think The Emancipation Of Mimi, I think 21, I think Jagged Little Pill (maybe even bigger than huge), I think Breakaway etc. Those are huge eras to me. I wouldn't stack One Of The Boys selling just under 2 million alongside those albums even with 2 huge hits and a third moderate. To me, it's just not on that same level. But maybe that's just a me thing. Everyone sees things differently. I'd say it was absolutely successful. Huge? Not particularly. That's all I was saying. Haha

[fridayteenage]

21stc male-less non-#1s with most top 10 longevity:
kiss me more 27 weeks
snooze 26
espresso 23 at least

[KeepDeanWeird]

From 1964-1984, Olivia Newton-John had the most Top 10s by a female artist (15). During those 20 years, Aretha was #2 (14) and Donna Summer was #3 (13). Aretha added 3 more 1985-87 to take the lead until Madonna took over.

As others have mentioned, this was the time of promoted singles, albums had short lifespans. Olivia released 6 albums (5 studio + GH, Vol 1) between 1975-77!

The pressure to produce quality material in such a short period of time is why Olivia sued MCA, which ended up changing the way record companies structured multi-album contracts.

I love Katy, but her career path/trajectory can't be compared to ONJ's. Katy has an amazing catalog and she's be able to tour and record music for a long time.

Katy has a fantastic catalogue of beloved hits that will allow her to tour until she's 90.

[Push The Button]

Olivia also was a big hit on the Country charts. Katy hasn’t been a multi-format crossover artist in the same way.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Sept 26, 2024 22:24:35 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Sept 26, 2024 22:19:13 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Katy’s first album was a hit, to the point that if she didn’t have any hits after it, it still would have left its mark - albeit as a flash in the pan on the pop chart. Maybe kind of like a Michelle Branch-type scenario but bigger because Katy had a pair of charttopping hits and a couple minor ones.
Her third album was also a hit, with two significant hits and some additional minor ones. If Prism was her only album, it would have put her on the map as a one-album-wonder.
It just so happened both were overshadowed by a once-in-a-generation hitmaking era. I would say TD was a dominating era. The other two were significant as well and at a level a lot of pop stars don’t get to have, but not dominating.

I absolutely think all three of those Katy eras are successful, I just think of eras on a sliding scale and it all comparatively speaking. When I think of a "huge era", I think 1989, I think Teenage Dream, I think Falling Into You, I think The Emancipation Of Mimi, I think 21, I think Jagged Little Pill (maybe even bigger than huge), I think Breakaway etc. Those are huge eras to me. I wouldn't stack One Of The Boys selling just under 2 million alongside those albums even with 2 huge hits and a third moderate. To me, it's just not on that same level. But maybe that's just a me thing. Everyone sees things differently. I'd say it was absolutely successful. Huge? Not particularly. That's all I was saying. Haha

That’s what I mean. TD as an era was next level. OOTB and Prism were also successful but in a more common way.

[Choco]

Sept 26, 2024 10:24:47 GMT -5 GW said:

I personally think that if iTunes had never been a thing, Teenage Dream would have been a much bigger seller. Not Thriller massive, but it would have sold far more than it did in the digital and TEA/SEA era. Same goes for her contemporaries with "strings of hits" from their relatively mid-selling albums on varying levels. The ability to download (let alone stream) individual tracks was an album killer, especially for pop artists with primarily younger demos.

That said, blockbuster sales for white pop girls who skew younger are never going to be as big as blockbuster sales for artists who have broader reach, like Michael Jackson, Usher, and Whitney Houston. They all have a huge crossover consumer appeal that Katy was never going to have.

The narrative that the Teenage Dream album didn't "sell" should have died with the addition of SPS into the formula (which is why the album is now Diamond I think?). Some acts of that era struggled with being "singles artists" that couldn't move an album (Flo Rida being the worst offender I can recall), but the new formula helps them save face in most cases (Except for someone like Tyla who drops when their single has died down so they don't really sell even with SPS added lol).

[85la]

I kind of wish we would move on from Katy Perry soon. She's definitely received way more than her fair share of discussion this week given she likely won't even chart, but if we're playing the game of who had similar career trajectories (which I'll admit has been kind of fun), no one has mentioned Alicia Keys yet. Both lasted a solid 6 to 7 years, with 3 big albums/eras, all three of them being fairly substantial, but the 2nd one being the biggest. And I'm not talking in terms of genre or album sales comparisons (I know Katy is pop and Alicia is R&B, and Alicia generally had higher album sales), just two artists who were generally big in a mainstream way, with combined overall performance on the Billboard 200 and Hot 100.

Yes, Alicia had a fourth album, The Element of Freedom, which sold pretty well and had some moderate R&B hits, and she was featured on a huge #1 at the time, Jay Z's Empire State of Mind, but it wasn't on the album, and for her next album, Girl On Fire was a decent top 15 hit, but since then very little album or singles success to speak of, similar to the place Katy is in now.

[Choco]

Justice for Element of Freedom, I think she didn't expect it to underperform and she never quite knew what to do after it in terms of maintaining her mainstream presence. (The music got progressively worse as well).

[Ling-Ling]

Not to say that album wasn't a decline, it was. Her first album with no crossover hits. But just to clarify, she didn't just have some moderate R&B hits. "Unthinkable" was the biggest R&B song of that year (14th biggest of that decade).

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Sept 19, 2024 23:03:56 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Mid-Week Releases

New Singles:
Linkin Park - Heavy is the Crown
JADE - Midnight Cowboy
Maxo Kream and Tyler the Creator - Cracc Era
Chat Pile - Funny Man
Ghais Guevara - Leprosy
Laura Marling - Child of Mine
Danny Brown - Dark Sword Angel
Poppy - Hey There
Amyl & the Sniffers - Big Dreams
Alan Sparhawk - Heaven
Katie Gavin - Inconsolable
Searows - toothache
Ralphie Choo & ROSALÍA - OMEGA
Better Lovers - At All Times
Brodie Fresh feat. Maxo Kream - Toast
Shakira - SOLTERA
Two Shell - Everybody Worldwide
Primal Scream - Ready to Go Home
Frankie and the Witch Fingers - Bonehead
Reb Fountain - Come Down
quickly, quickly - From the Morning
Matilda Mann - Say It Back
SPRINTS - Feast
LP Giobbi with Panama - Love Come Through
Sophie Truax - fifty50
Zelooperz - Euphorbia Milli
Divorce - All My Freaks
The Lottery Winners feat Reverend and the Makers - You Again
Balance and Composure - with you in spirit
The Murder Capital - Can’t Pretend to Know
isaac gracie - Slide
SASAMI - Slugger

New Albums & EPs:
SOPHIE - SOPHIE
Kimbra - Idols & Vices (Vol. 1)
Yaelokre - Songs of Origin
BAND-MAID - Epic Narratives
NCT-WISH - Steady
Galneryus - The Stars Will Light the Way
GEMINI - In too deep EP
Cardo Got Wings - MADeMAN
almost monday - DIVE
Rowena Fysx - don’t text me back EP
Ben Levin - Heaven Heaven Heaven
Eihwar - Viking War Trance
Jurdan Bryant - WHO CARES.
TORIENA - Kengai
Chmura - Diffuse
Galileo Galilei - MANSTER
KEY - Pleasure Shop
QWER - Algorithm’s Blossom
KANGDANIEL - ACT
Duffrey - Exuberant Jubilee EP
Posguerra - Alucinación
Elmalamía - lo que me queda
Liam Finn - Suspicious EP
Flawed Mangoes - The Unwavering Hand
Wool & The Pants - Not Fun In The Summertime
CANDYGIRL - BLUEBERRY
The Meffs - What a Life
ONLEE - Turn On
The Flamboyant Train - Cosmic Lane
Alee - CAOS
Big Rush - A HISTÓRIA SEM FIM
Soma Saito - Fictions
野田洋次郎 [Yojiro Noda] - WONDER BOY'S AKUMU CLUB
Quadry - Ask a Magnolia
SUPER JUNIOR-D&E - INEVITABLE EP
Number_i - No.I
Allan Tune - I Think You Should Leave
Foolio - DEMI GOD

[fridayteenage]

I think grammys are one of the few things an average person somewhat remembers about an artist's career, and Alicia is a 16x Grammy winner inc song of the year.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Sept 27, 2024 9:38:52 GMT -5 Choco said:

The narrative that the Teenage Dream album didn't "sell" should have died with the addition of SPS into the formula (which is why the album is now Diamond I think?). Some acts of that era struggled with being "singles artists" that couldn't move an album (Flo Rida being the worst offender I can recall), but the new formula helps them save face in most cases

Maybe it helps "save face" with some people, but not with everyone who realizes there is a difference between an album actually selling 10 million copies (an impressive and rare feat for a reason) and an album having a slew of big hit singles and acquiring a "diamond plaque" through single streams. Lol That's what used to differentiate album artists from single artists and there absolutely is a distinction because in my eyes an artist will always be more successful if fans are invested in the artist his or her self and not just the hits. Like Flo-Rida now likely having multi-platinum albums due to "recalibrations" is an absurd exaggeration of his actual album success and it goes like this across the board. I understand the need for SPS now since sales have actually died, but back in 2008-2015 you still had successful albums naturally selling 6-7 million copies here and there, so the SPS retooling and recalibrations for older releases then is IMO unnecessary and only inaccurately rewrites history in favor of artists who struggled to move albums unlike their contemporaries. Basically I agree with its implementation in the last 5 years or so, but I don't agree with going back in time further and retroactively pumping numbers to misrepresent performance. Like, no Good Girl Gone Bad didn't sell anywhere near 10 million copies domestically, but I bet somehow has a diamond plaque too. Obviously this is an entirely different topic and discussion for another time though. Lol

[sedrickwilhelm]

Congratz to Future!

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - Week 09/26/24

1(+1) Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars - Die With A Smile 14,040,573 *NEW PEAK*
2(-1) Sabrina Carpenter - Taste 13,753,433
3(=) Chappell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 13,023,325
4(+1) Billie Eilish - BIRDS OF A FEATHER 11,419,026
5(+2) Jimin - Who 10,744,903
6(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 10,397,844
7(+2) Sabrina Carpenter - Please Please Please 9,386,561
8(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Bed Chem 9,151,415
9(+3) Chappell Roan - HOT TO GO! 8,899,001
10(=) Post Malone, Morgan Wallen - I Had Some Help 8,876,680

Sabrina Carpenter - Short n' Sweet [10/12]
28(-6) Good Graces 5,324,030
45(-2) Juno 4,289,911
70(-15) Coincidence 3,514,633
91(-31) Sharpest Tool 3,290,783
139(-56) Slim Pickins 2,829,279
191(-41) Don't Smile 2,455,722
Week 5 Streams: 64,393,611 (-12.64%)

11(=) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 8,700,526
12(+1) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 7,383,905
13(+1) Chappell Roan - Pink Pony Club 7,327,311
14(+4) Gigi Perez - Sailor Song 6,992,857 *NEW PEAK*
15(+1) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 6,746,588
16(+1) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 6,639,705
18(-14) Playboi Carti - ALL RED 6,370,580
19(+2) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 6,193,424
20(+6) Hozier - Too Sweet 6,157,779
22(+1) Gracie Abrams - I Love You, I'm Sorry 5,581,232 *NEW PEAK*
23(+2) Zach Bryan - Pink Skies 5,552,372
24(+4) Luke Combs - Ain't No Love in Oklahoma 5,454,844
26(+1) Chappell Roan - Red Wine Supernova 5,434,759
27(-12) Tate McRae - It's ok I'm ok 5,406,423
29(+13) Billie Eilish - WILDFLOWER 5,294,636
30(+2) The Kid LAROI - NIGHTS LIKE THIS 5,256,289
31(-1) Zach Bryan - 28 5,237,045
33(-2) Charli XCX, Billie Eilish - Guess 5,217,416
34(DEBUT) Future - TEFLON DON 5,130,163
38(-5) Chappell Roan - Casual
39(-3) Dasha - Austin 4,787,033
40(-3) Morgan Wallen - Lies Lies Lies 4,743,269
41(-1) Zach Bryan - Heading South 4,554,478
42(DEBUT) Future - LIL DEMON 4,505,597
43(+4) Peso Pluma, Neton Vega - LA PATRULLA 4,385,270 *NEW PEAK*
46(-1) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 4,265,455
47(-9) Hanumankind, Kalmi - Big Dawgs 4,240,152
49(DEBUT) Future - SKI 4,166,745
53(+79) Earth, Wind & Fire - September 3,915,252
56(-12) Linkin Park - The Emptiness Machine 3,790,208
58(-12) KAROL G - Si Antes Te Hubiera Conocido 3,760,226
61(+14) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 3,730,879
62(DEBUT) Future - PLUTOSKI 3,717,452
63(-7) Surf Curse - Disco 3,715,584
64(-7) Charli XCX - Apple 3,709,897
65(DEBUT) Future - TOO FAST 3,612,062
66(+5) Addison Rae - Diet Pepsi 3,605,793 *NEW PEAK*
71(-4) Myles Smith - Stargazing 3,507,639
74(+25) The Marías - No One Noticed 3,475,663 *NEW PEAK*
76(-14) Chappell Roan - Femininomenon 3,396,618
80(=) Tucker Wetmore - Wind Up Missin' You 3,375,729
83(-63) The Weeknd - Dancing in the Flames 3,340,564
86(+4) Luis R Conriquez, Neton Vega - Si No Quieres No 3,319,943
90(-25) Taylor Swift - I Can Do It With A Broken Heart 3,301,583
93(DEBUT) Bad Bunny - Una Velita 3,268,245
94(-41) Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 3,260,691
97(+5) Post Malone, Luke Combs - Guy For That 3,227,874
99(-11) Chappell Roan - My Kink is Karma 3,206,597

101(-35) Linkin Park - Numb 3,184,878
102(-8) Clairo - Juna 3,175,205
104(-27) Charli XCX - 360 3,169,514
105(-5) Fuerza Regida - NEL 3,155,500
110(-5) Billie Eilish - CHIHIRO 3,124,552
112(-1) Gracie Abrams - Close to You 3,094,933
121(+56) Odetari - KEEP UP 3,026,019 *NEW PEAK*
126(DEBUT) Alex Warren - Burning Down 3,011,236
127(DEBUT) Future - READY TO COOK UP 2,990,861
128(-35) Jordan Adetunji - KEHLANI 2,972,843
130(+60) Don Toliver - NEW DROP 2,953,091 *NEW PEAK*
135(-19) Tito Double P, Peso Pluma - DOS DÍAS 2,900,335
140(-43) GloRilla - TGIF 2,825,107
149(+10) Josh Meloy - Porch Light 2,694,522
150(DEBUT) Lil Tecca - BAD TIME 2,688,806
152(-11) Linkin Park - One Step Closer 2,686,123
160(-3) Zach Bryan - Nine Ball 2,628,507
162(DEBUT) Future - OCEAN 2,618,757
169(-100) Megan Thee Stallion, RM - Neva Play 2,568,972
170(+8) Don Toliver - TORE UP 2,564,908
188(DEBUT) Cris Mj, FloyyMenor, LOUKI - Después De La 1 2,473,474
196(+2) Mark Ambor - Belong Together 2,423,593

Total Weekly Streams for Chappell Roan - The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess [6/14]: 33,063,000

Color me shock as we have a new #1 and one I thought would be stuck at #2 for a long time. With a small boost of 1.3%, Die With A Smile finally tops the weekly charts. This was all down to Taste's weakening hold at the top with a 12.29% drop this week. Although we'll see if it stas on top next week with Weeknd's new collab with Playboi Carti smashing and Taste still being competitive, it was only number one by 287K streams so not a strong hold at #1.

It seems like ALL RED was a one week novelty as it was really frontloaded, dropping out of the Top 10 and falling by 46.08%. Although that wasn't quite as bad as Dancing in the Flames which crashed a staggering 47.88% and all the way down to #83, thank god Abel released a second track that's doing better. Neva Play also crashed hard in its third week with a 27.99% decrease from last week. Tate McRae was the only big release last week that had a stable drop although still a sizable one of 27.03%. Linkin Park also saw signifant drops with Numb being down 12% and The Emptiness Machine decreasing by 15.67%.

In terms of debuts, we a new Future mixtape although it wasn't strong on Spotify compared to Apple Music. Outside of Future's mixtape, Bad Bunny's newest single dramatically underperformed with only 3.268M streams for a debut at #92. We also saw one debut from Lil Tecca's new album, a new RMM collaboration, and Alex Warren have his first song to hit the weekly charts. And in our gains, September had its annual boost while NEW DROP and KEEP UP continue their viral momentum.

Notable Gains:
September - 39.06%
NEW DROP - 21.75%
KEEP UP - 21.54%
WILDFLOWER - 12.06%
No One Noticed - 9.66%

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US Albums Bombs of 2024

Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department: THE ANTHOLOGY: 526,957,706
Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department: 362,752,796
Taylor Swift - THE ANTHOLOGY: 164,204,910
Beyoncé - COWBOY CARTER: 152,838,013
Sabrina Carpenter - Short n' Sweet: 143,763,223
Future and Metro Boomin - WE DON'T TRUST YOU: 128,545,435
Billie Eilish - HIT ME HARD AND SOFT: 122,006,835
Ariana Grande - eternal sunshine: 111,888,483
Eminem - The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de Grâce): 103,445,738
Post Malone - F-1 Trillion: 96,867,105
Kanye West and Ty Dolla $ign - VULTURES 1: 89,047,635
Zach Bryan - The Great American Bar Scene: 81,240,064
21 Savage - american dream: 79,493,203
J. Cole - Might Delete Late: 54,299,358
Chappell Roan - The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess (peak week): 46,674,670
Nicki Minaj - Pink Friday 2: 40,732,029
Noah Kahan - Stick Season (Forever): 35,426,778
Olivia Rodrigo - GUTS (spilled): 29,294,876
Future and Metro Boomin - We Still Don't Trust You: 28,773,968
Tate McRae - THINK LATER: 27,386,204
Hozier - Unheard EP: 26,854,033
Future - MIXTAPE PLUTO: 26,741,637
$uicideboy$ - New World Depression: 26,591,292
Don Toliver - HARDSTONE PSYCHO: 22,339,957

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 65, 60, 55, 50, and 45 years ago:

September 28, 1959 (For the week ending October 3)

01 01 Sleep Walk - Santo & Johnny (2nd and final week at #1)
02 07 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin
03 02 The Three Bells - The Browns
04 04 'Til I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers
05 03 I'm Gonna Get Married - Lloyd Price
06 05 Sea Of Love - Phil Phillips
07 10 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka
08 06 Red River Rock - Johnny & The Hurricanes
09 15 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson
10 08 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan

19 41 Lonely Street - Andy Williams


October 3, 1964

01 01 Oh, Pretty Woman - Roy Orbison (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 06 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann
03 02 Bread & Butter - The Newbeats
04 08 Dancing In The Street - Martha & The Vandellas
05 05 Remember (Walkin' In The Sand) - The Shangri-Las
06 04 G.T.O. - Ronny & The Daytonas
07 09 It Hurts To Be In Love - Gene Pitney
08 03 The House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals
09 14 We'll Sing In The Sunshine - Gale Garnett
10 10 Save It For Me - The Four Seasons

11 13 Baby I Need Your Loving - The Four Tops


October 4, 1969

01 01 Sugar, Sugar - The Archies (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 07 Jean - Oliver
03 05 Little Woman - Bobby Sherman
04 04 Easy To Be Hard - Three Dog Night
05 06 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations
06 03 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones
07 02 Green River - Creedence Clearwater Revival
08 17 Everybody's Talkin' - Nilsson
09 09 Hot Fun In The Summertime - Sly & The Family Stone
10 10 Oh, What a Night - The Dells

24 50 Baby It's You - Smith


October 5, 1974

01 02 I Honestly Love You - Olivia Newton-John (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 03 Nothing From Nothing - Billy Preston
03 04 Then Came You - Dionne Warwick & The Spinners
04 05 Beach Baby - First Class
05 06 You Haven't Done Nothin' - Stevie Wonder
06 07 Clap For The Wolfman - The Guess Who
07 08 Another Saturday Night - Cat Stevens
08 09 Hang On In There Baby - Johnny Bristol
09 10 Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
10 11 Earache My Eye - Cheech & Chong


October 6, 1979

01 02 Sad Eyes - Robert John (1st and only week at #1)
02 04 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough - Michael Jackson
03 03 Rise - Herb Alpert
04 01 My Sharona - The Knack
05 08 Sail On - The Commodores
06 06 Lonesome Loser - Little River Band
07 07 I'll Never Love This Way Again - Dionne Warwick
08 11 Pop Muzik - M
09 05 After The Love Has Gone - Earth, Wind & Fire
10 19 Dim All The Lights - Donna Summer

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 40, 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

October 6, 1984

01 01 Let's Go Crazy - Prince & The Revolution (2nd and final week at #1)
02 05 I Just Called To Say I Love You - Stevie Wonder
03 03 Drive - The Cars
04 02 Missing You - John Waite
05 04 She Bop - Cyndi Lauper
06 12 Hard Habit To Break - Chicago
07 08 The Glamorous Life - Sheila E.
08 13 Lucky Star - Madonna
09 07 The Warrior - Scandal feat. Patty Smyth
10 10 Cover Me - Bruce Springsteen

28 NE Purple Rain - Prince & The Revolution


October 7, 1989

01 05 Miss You Much - Janet Jackson (1st of 4 weeks at #1)
02 04 Cherish - Madonna
03 01 Girl I'm Gonna Miss You - Milli Vanilli
04 02 Heaven - Warrant
05 03 If I Could Turn Back Time - Cher
06 12 Mixed Emotions - The Rolling Stones
07 10 Love Song - The Cure
08 06 18 & Life - Skid Row
09 11 Bust a Move - Young MC
10 14 It's No Crime - Babyface


October 8, 1994

01 01 I'll Make Love To You - Boyz II Men (7th of 14 weeks at #1)
02 03 All I Wanna Do - Sheryl Crow
03 02 Endless Love - Luther Vandross & Mariah Carey
04 05 When Can I See You - Babyface
05 06 Wild Night - John Mellencamp w/Me'Shell NdegeOcello
06 07 Stroke You Up - Changing Faces
07 04 Stay (I Missed You) - Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories
08 08 At Your Best (You Are Love) - Aaliyah
09 09 Never Lie - Immature
10 16 Another Night - Real McCoy

11 13 100% Pure Love - Crystal Waters
30 NE Secret - Madonna


October 9, 1999

01 16 Heartbreaker - Mariah Carey feat. Jay-Z (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 03 Smooth - Santana feat. Rob Thomas
03 01 Unpretty - TLC
04 04 Mambo No. 5 (A Little Bit Of...) - Lou Bega
05 02 She's All I Ever Had - Ricky Martin
06 06 Genie In a Bottle - Christina Aguilera
07 07 Someday - Sugar Ray
08 10 I Need To Know - Marc Anthony
09 11 My Love Is Your Love - Whitney Houston
10 09 Scar Tissue - The Red Hot Chili Peppers


October 2, 2004

01 01 Goodies - Ciara feat. Petey Pablo (4th of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Lean Back - Terror Squad
03 03 Sunshine - Lil Flip (feat. Lea)
04 04 My Place - Nelly (feat. Jaheim)
05 07 My Boo - Usher & Alicia Keys
06 05 She Will Be Loved - Maroon 5
07 06 Pieces Of Me - Ashlee Simpson
08 09 Diary - Alicia Keys feat. Tony! Toni! Toné!
09 13 My Happy Ending - Avril Lavigne
10 10 Locked Up - Akon

12 30 Lose My Breath - Destiny's Child

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

October 3, 2009

01 01 I Gotta Feeling - The Black Eyed Peas (13th of 14 weeks at #1)
02 04 Run This Town - Jay-Z, Rihanna & Kanye West
03 02 Down - Jay Sean feat. Lil Wayne
04 06 You Belong With Me - Taylor Swift
05 50 Empire State Of Mind - Jay-Z feat. Alicia Keys
06 03 Party In The U.S.A. - Miley Cyrus
07 18 Paparazzi - Lady Gaga
08 NE Forever - Drake feat. Kanye West, Lil Wayne & Eminem
09 05 Use Somebody - Kings Of Leon
10 07 Whatcha Say - Jason Derulo

17 48 Successful - Drake feat. Trey Songz


October 4, 2014

01 01 All About That Bass - Meghan Trainor (3rd of 8 weeks at #1)
02 02 Shake It Off - Taylor Swift
03 05 Bang Bang - Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj
04 03 Anaconda - Nicki Minaj
05 04 Black Widow - Iggy Azalea feat. Rita Ora
06 06 Stay With Me - Sam Smith
07 07 Break Free - Ariana Grande feat. Zedd
08 10 Boom Clap - Charli XCX
09 11 Chandelier - Sia
10 12 Don't Tell 'Em - Jeremih feat. YG

18 NE Booty - Jennifer Lopez feat. Iggy Azalea or Pitbull


October 5, 2019

01 01 Truth Hurts - Lizzo (5th of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Señorita - Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello
03 04 Someone You Loved - Lewis Capaldi
04 06 Ran$om - Lil Tecca
05 07 No Guidance - Chris Brown feat. Drake
06 05 Panini - Lil Nas X
07 03 bad guy - Billie Eilish
08 09 Circles - Post Malone
09 08 Goodbyes - Post Malone feat. Young Thug
10 10 Old Town Road - Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus

17 NE Intro - DaBaby
22 NE Memories - Maroon 5


October 7, 2023

01 02 Paint The Town Red - Doja Cat (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 03 Snooze - SZA
03 04 Fast Car - Luke Combs
04 06 Cruel Summer - Taylor Swift
05 05 I Remember Everything - Zach Bryan feat. Kacey Musgraves
06 08 Last Night - Morgan Wallen
07 07 vampire - Olivia Rodrigo
08 09 fukumean - Gunna
09 11 Calm Down - Rema & Selena Gomez
10 10 Dance The Night - Dua Lipa

14 NE Sarah's Place - Zach Bryan feat. Noah Kahan
18 NE Agora Hills - Doja Cat
26 NE Boys Of Faith - Zach Bryan feat. Bon Iver

[Fears in the Fire]

The closest comparison to Katy to me has always been Gaga (pre-ASIB): The trajectory of The Fame->Born This Way->Artpop->Joanne almost exactly mirrors Teenage Dream->Prism->Witness->Smile.

It’s not perfect since obviously One of the Boys came before (and was big in its own right, maybe comparable to Let Go?) but that set of albums are very similar.

[avamaxstan]

Sept 25, 2024 12:59:12 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

In terms of hits, I would argue Katy Perry is bigger but out of raw success, Taylor is definitely bigger.

If you disagree, go ahead and give the Teenage Dream album another listen.

Taylor is much bigger in terms of hits and it’s not even close. Look at the numbers.

[Choco]

Not only that but Taylor still produces hits and Katy stopped a while ago. Even middling hits like Is It Over Now increase the gap between the two with ease. Blank Space, Cruel Summer, Shake it Off, Love Story and You Belong With Me are all on par with the Teenage Dream hits.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Their HITS imo:

Katy
I Kissed A Girl, Not N Cold, California Gurls, Teenage Dream, Firework, E.T., Last Friday Night, The One That Got Away, Part Of Me, Wide Awake, Roar, Dark Horse
Taylor
Love Story, You Belong With Me, WANEGBT, I Knew You Were Trouble, Shake It Off, Blank Space, Bad Blood, Style, Wildest Dreams, LWYMMD, Lover, cardigan, All Too Well, Anti-Hero, Cruel Summer

I think they were on par until the 2020s and Taylor's second peak. and I'm talking about hits that the average person would probably know, Taylor has MUCH MORE hits like Waking Up In Vegas, Chained To The Rhythm, Feels, Unconditionally and Never Really Over.

[kiddo1994]

Sept 30, 2024 7:17:02 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Sept 25, 2024 12:59:12 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

In terms of hits, I would argue Katy Perry is bigger but out of raw success, Taylor is definitely bigger.

If you disagree, go ahead and give the Teenage Dream album another listen.

Taylor is much bigger in terms of hits and it’s not even close. Look at the numbers.

Katy has a lot more GP hits than Taylor's fanbase pushed hits lbr

[kiddo1994]

Sept 29, 2024 20:02:48 GMT -5 Fears in the Fire said:

The closest comparison to Katy to me has always been Gaga (pre-ASIB): The trajectory of The Fame->Born This Way->Artpop->Joanne almost exactly mirrors Teenage Dream->Prism->Witness->Smile.

It’s not perfect since obviously One of the Boys came before (and was big in its own right, maybe comparable to Let Go?) but that set of albums are very similar.

you're right, Global Sales from Chartmasters

TF/TFM=41.36M vs TD/TDCC=27.82M
BTW=15.19M vs Prism=14.74M
ARTPOP=5.13M vs Witness=2.95M
Joanne=3.64M vs SMILE=2.95M

OOTB (12.29M) combined with TD/TDCC is 40.11M, very similar to TF/TFM if we consider the sequence of releases.. but as individual project OOTB's success is comparable to ASIB's 10.84M

their paths after ASIB differ as Gaga rose from JOANNE and currently a bigger hitmaker than both ARTPOP/Joanne Gaga & Katy Perry in 2020s