Billboard Hot 100: 10/05/2024

[sportytheartist]

Sept 22, 2024 14:14:37 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Radio, PLS PLS PLS drop Espresso already, it's Taste's time to shine.

FR! Especially if they’re about to have Bed Chem be the next single soon too (with it probably being top 50 on Pop in the Mediabase update), they need to give Taste some shine 💯. I’ve grown into that one a lot the past two weeks

[iHype.]

Sept 22, 2024 14:24:05 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

I mean, surely I don’t have to spell it out why an album + an ep is not a good comparison to just one album right? Not to mention songs that aren’t a part of either (Kesha remains uncredited on RR to this day btw).

Cannibal was also sold packaged with Animal, in addition to being sold seperately. It is seen as a direct continuation of the era. Similar concept of The Fame/The Fame Monster, and to a slightly lesser extent Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection

My First Kiss was a song with Kesha, released directly in the middle of the Animal era.

Sept 22, 2024 14:24:05 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

Also, the BBB h100 peak is wildly deceptive if you were around for that song’s run.

It peaked at #51 on Year-End, so how is a #7 peak 'widly deceptive' for a song that was a decently notable hit in 2010 overall? You're arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Number ones
Katy Perry 9
Paula Abdul 6

Top 10s
Katy Perry 14
Paula Abdul 8

Top 20s
Katy Perry 19
Paula Abdul 10

Top 40s
Katy Perry 25
Paula Abdul 11

Hot 100 songs
Katy Perry 36
Paula Abdul 15

if this is similar to you, that's really fine. They're only close in #1s.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Sept 22, 2024 13:38:55 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

The fact that both Paula and Katy were never taken seriously as artists and kinda crapped on critically is another parallel. Kesha has definitely gotten a lot more acclaim than either, especially for her songwriting abilities. I really don’t think it’s a stretch at all to say Katy is her gen’s equivalent of Paula.

Which is what people have been saying. But then the numbers queens come out in full force comparing every stat down to the individual week and peak, as if anything in 1990 can be compared to 2010 or 2024 anyway. Nobody said it was a deadlock comparison.

[shakemaki]

Sept 22, 2024 14:35:14 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Number ones
Katy Perry 9
Paula Abdul 6

Top 10s
Katy Perry 14
Paula Abdul 8

Top 20s
Katy Perry 19
Paula Abdul 10

Top 40s
Katy Perry 25
Paula Abdul 11

Hot 100 songs
Katy Perry 36
Paula Abdul 15

if this is similar to you, that's really fine. They're only close in #1s.

As was already stated above me, the comparison isn’t strictly about numbers matching 1:1. That said, as I keep reiterating, the numbers are close if you consider the OOTB era as the outlier in the comparison in terms of #1s and top tens. Hits below that aren’t much of “hits” in the first place, so why are we arguing about very minor successes?

[iHype.]

The first posts in this thread that compared her to Paula and initiated this discussion cited numbers. Absolutely no reference of critical acclaim.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Ironically I actually noted in Katy's thread unbeknownst to its mention in this thread that Katy's career mirrored Paula's in some ways (definitely not a 1:1 comparison, if you look into the details of any similar two things you're gonna find differences 9/10 times) with her being a judge on Idol as well and how they both released record-breaking albums with a slew of #1 hits (Forever Your Girl and Teenage Dream), followed those up with albums with 2 further #1 hits (Spellbound and Prism) before they fell off their commercial prime. I totally see the similarities in that context, but obviously there are differences in their overall careers. I think we're trying to maybe overcomplicate a harmless noteable similarity.

[neogale]

Despite being omitted from this week releases, more than two pages talking about Katy more or less seems fair uwu.

Goal accomplished

[kml567]

No competition for #1 on the Hot 100 until October 18th, which is the release date of Morgan Wallen's highly anticipated first single off his new album.

Looks like "A Bar Song" will easily be 15 weeks @ #1, and then there will be stiff competition on Week 16 versus Morgan Wallen's new single. "A Bar Song" is barely declining, so the #1 song would need at least 250+ chart points by mid-October.

Did Morgan's record company plan it just right? "Last Night" was 16 weeks #1, so it looks like they're releasing on October 18th to block "A Bar Song" from getting that 16th week #1.

[sedrickwilhelm]

Future is much more relevant this week than Katy is. Not saying that as if it is a surprise but if someone was just going off this thread then they'd likely be lead to believe otherwise.

[clsvltn]

just was looking at the spotify data. for the top 25 streamed artists, here are their billion+ songs and how many "Close calls" they have on the way (975 million+)

Drake - 17 (+4)
Taylor - 12 (+2)
Bad Bunny - 16 (+1)
The Weeknd - 17 (+3)
Justin BIeber - 16
Ed Sheeran - 13
Eminem - 12 (+1)
Ariana - 15 (+2)
Travis Scott - 5
Kanye - 8
Post Malone - 12
Rihanna - 16
J Balvin - 6 (+1)
BTS - 5
Future -2
Billie - 12 (+1)
Kendrick -5
Ozuna - 4
Juice -4 (+1)
Nicki - 5
Bruno - 14
Imagine Dragons - 12
Coldplay -11 (+1)
Chris Brown - 2
XXXTENTACION - 10 (+1)



Eminem is one of the most impressive as most of his singles pre-date the streaming era. A few others have some as well like early Kanye, Coldplay, etc. but Eminem really stands out

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Sept 22, 2024 21:16:42 GMT -5 clsvltn said:

just was looking at the spotify data. for the top 25 streamed artists, here are their billion+ songs and how many "Close calls" they have on the way (975 million+)

The Weeknd - 17 (+3)

The Weeknd is projected to have 25 songs over 1B streams by the end of the year. After Hours has already reached 1B today + Or Nah, Die For You Remix, Love Me Harder, Pray For Me, Lost In The Fire, Moth To A Flame and Popular.
In Your Eyes and Low Life will get there in February/March, so 27 songs overall in 5 months.

[Mayman]

Sept 22, 2024 19:49:17 GMT -5 kml567 said:

No competition for #1 on the Hot 100 until October 18th, which is the release date of Morgan Wallen's highly anticipated first single off his new album.

Looks like "A Bar Song" will easily be 15 weeks @ #1, and then there will be stiff competition on Week 16 versus Morgan Wallen's new single. "A Bar Song" is barely declining, so the #1 song would need at least 250+ chart points by mid-October.

Did Morgan's record company plan it just right? "Last Night" was 16 weeks #1, so it looks like they're releasing on October 18th to block "A Bar Song" from getting that 16th week #1.

Wouldn't it be the second single? "Lies Lies Lies" is currently being promoted to country radio and will surely be on his next album. It could also be a "Don't Think Jesus" type of track where it's just a promo single and doesn't go to radio, or becomes a single later on like "Thought You Should Know."

[shakemaki]

Sept 22, 2024 21:16:42 GMT -5 clsvltn said:

just was looking at the spotify data. for the top 25 streamed artists, here are their billion+ songs and how many "Close calls" they have on the way (975 million+)

Drake - 17 (+4)
Taylor - 12 (+2)
Bad Bunny - 16 (+1)
The Weeknd - 17 (+3)
Justin BIeber - 16
Ed Sheeran - 13
Eminem - 12 (+1)
Ariana - 15 (+2)
Travis Scott - 5
Kanye - 8
Post Malone - 12
Rihanna - 16
J Balvin - 6 (+1)
BTS - 5
Future -2
Billie - 12 (+1)
Kendrick -5
Ozuna - 4
Juice -4 (+1)
Nicki - 5
Bruno - 14
Imagine Dragons - 12
Coldplay -11 (+1)
Chris Brown - 2
XXXTENTACION - 10 (+1)



Eminem is one of the most impressive as most of his singles pre-date the streaming era. A few others have some as well like early Kanye, Coldplay, etc. but Eminem really stands out

I feel like Rihanna is the most impressive since she almost holds the record with her only new music in 8 years being a couple soundtrack songs that really didn’t do much. She also bolsters Em too, since his two #1s with her certainly wouldn’t be #1s without her hook at the focus.

[neel]

Why the hell are y’all talking about Katy this much? She’s washed! We all know it. Y’all don’t need to expand the thread to seven pages to remind us.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Hi. So I recently got a new job and it's gonna make it impossible for me to do daily Spotify updates even on a semi-regular basis so this is likely the end of those from me at least unless something drastically changes. So now I'll probably only do weekly charts from here on, with the occassional big update if something big occurs.

[Enigma.]

Congrats for your new job!! (Having a proper job takes time from chart-watching sadly)

[NeRD]

Sept 22, 2024 19:49:17 GMT -5 kml567 said:

No competition for #1 on the Hot 100 until October 18th, which is the release date of Morgan Wallen's highly anticipated first single off his new album.

Looks like "A Bar Song" will easily be 15 weeks @ #1, and then there will be stiff competition on Week 16 versus Morgan Wallen's new single. "A Bar Song" is barely declining, so the #1 song would need at least 250+ chart points by mid-October.

Did Morgan's record company plan it just right? "Last Night" was 16 weeks #1, so it looks like they're releasing on October 18th to block "A Bar Song" from getting that 16th week #1.

Lies Lies Lies isn't the lead single?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Regarding yesterday's US daily Spotify chart, Die Smile returned to #1. Only 11 songs managed more than 1 million daily streams, with Who being the only song gaining daily streams. As it was the first day of fall, not surprisingly, Sweater Weather rose 11 spots to #23.

[clsvltn]

Sept 23, 2024 9:35:32 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Sept 22, 2024 19:49:17 GMT -5 kml567 said:

No competition for #1 on the Hot 100 until October 18th, which is the release date of Morgan Wallen's highly anticipated first single off his new album.

Looks like "A Bar Song" will easily be 15 weeks @ #1, and then there will be stiff competition on Week 16 versus Morgan Wallen's new single. "A Bar Song" is barely declining, so the #1 song would need at least 250+ chart points by mid-October.

Did Morgan's record company plan it just right? "Last Night" was 16 weeks #1, so it looks like they're releasing on October 18th to block "A Bar Song" from getting that 16th week #1.

Lies Lies Lies isn't the lead single?

Wikipedia says so ! lol But it did get a push didn't it with radio etc ? 

[jenglisbe]

Sept 23, 2024 10:52:19 GMT -5 clsvltn said:

Sept 23, 2024 9:35:32 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Lies Lies Lies isn't the lead single?

Wikipedia says so ! lol But it did get a push didn't it with radio etc ? 

It just entered the top 10 at country radio.

[clsvltn]

I mean, it is kind of hard to call the song not the lead then when it went Top 10 at its core format plus overall Hot 100. Either way, his next song I'm sure will be huge as well and could be a #1 contender

[morgan96]

Sept 23, 2024 9:35:32 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Sept 22, 2024 19:49:17 GMT -5 kml567 said:

No competition for #1 on the Hot 100 until October 18th, which is the release date of Morgan Wallen's highly anticipated first single off his new album.

Looks like "A Bar Song" will easily be 15 weeks @ #1, and then there will be stiff competition on Week 16 versus Morgan Wallen's new single. "A Bar Song" is barely declining, so the #1 song would need at least 250+ chart points by mid-October.

Did Morgan's record company plan it just right? "Last Night" was 16 weeks #1, so it looks like they're releasing on October 18th to block "A Bar Song" from getting that 16th week #1.

Lies Lies Lies isn't the lead single?

I don't know if it's the official single. Love somebody will have a music video and it is certainly catchier and will also do well in Europe. Speaking of the other songs he played as snippets (i guess and smile), I prefer them more. A new version of neon moon will also be released on November 15th featuring (brooks and dunn) which could be successful

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

^ When you say Europe, you mean Ireland, Sweden and the UK?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2024 » / « 09 » / « 23 »

1(=) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 92.32(-0.13)
2(=) Post Malone - I Had Some Help (feat. Morgan Wallen) 77.31(-0.05)
3(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 69.44(+0.06)
4(=) Hozier - Too Sweet 64.34(+0.31)
5(=) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 57.35(-0.55)
6(=) Billie Eilish - BIRDS OF A FEATHER 56.41(+0.07)
7(=) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 54.53(-0.18)
8(=) Chappell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 52.76(+0.02)
9(+1) Sabrina Carpenter - Please Please Please 51.78(+0.05)
10(-1) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 51.11(-0.95)

25(+1) Jordan Adetunji - KEHLANI (REMIX) [feat. Kehlani] 28.83(+0.78)

39(+8) Megan Thee Stallion - Mamushi (feat. Yuki Chiba) 19.82(+1.58)

48(+3) The Weeknd - Dancing In The Flames 17.52(+1.11)

-(-) Mary J. Blige - Breathing f/Fabolous 6.74(+0.74) +

-(-) Future - TOO FAST 4.11(+1.44) +

-(-) Maria Becerra, Gloria Trevi - Borracha 0.97(+0.86) +

[morgan96]

Sept 23, 2024 11:23:13 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

^ When you say Europe, you mean Ireland, Sweden and the UK?

His European tour sold 92k tickets(glasgow, Dublin Amsterdam, copenaghen, olso, stockholm) + hype park in london (another 50k)plus 20k from 02 arena in december 2023. For a Country singer( without any promotion in europe) i think is good.

[Mayman]

Sept 23, 2024 11:09:32 GMT -5 morgan96 said:

Sept 23, 2024 9:35:32 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Lies Lies Lies isn't the lead single?

I don't know if it's the official single. Love somebody will have a music video and it is certainly catchier and will also do well in Europe. Speaking of the other songs he played as snippets (i guess and smile), I prefer them more. A new version of neon moon will also be released on November 15th featuring (brooks and dunn) which could be successful

Lies Lies Lies is an official single, it's being pushed to country radio as the lead single from his next album. Maybe they'll work the new song to both country and pop radio, although I haven't heard it myself.

[fridayteenage]

some 7-day changes on US spotify
die +40k
taste -301k
babe -37k
who +156k
birds +27k
espresso -35k
hot to go +41k
please -101k
a bar song -35k
I had some help -23k

bed chem -205k
not like Us -70k
pink pony club -28k
sailor song +82k
beautiful things -34k
lose control +38k
too sweet +63k
red wine supernova -27k
wildflower +91k
casual -27k

Too Sweet and Lose Control after a billion weeks...

[sayhey]

It's definitely sad to see that Katy is struggling to replicate her former runaway chart success. She used to be such an undeniable force in the pop world that it honestly seemed like she'd enjoy greater longevity than she has. The OOTB era was a very solid introduction to the public, spawning two monster pop hits that remain very well-remembered to this day. This was followed by the blockbuster TD era, which achieved simply unprecedented success with its endless parade of massive pop radio hits. Prism was a very strong follow-up to one of the biggest pop eras ever, with two undeniable smashes. Witness was a big misstep from which she simply never recovered.

The 35% that her latest album received on Metacritic is indicative of the overwhelmingly negative sentiments towards her online and in critics' circles. Like, 143 is obviously a bad pop record, filled with generic, insipid songs and the Dr. Luke association definitely does not help, but is it really the worst album released by a female ever, as the Metacritic average score suggests? I don't know about that, even though it's still an extremely disappointing record. Still, it goes to show how negatively Katy is viewed right now by the world of music publications.

Obviously, Katy was never a critical darling, she was always kind of maligned critically, actually (OOTB: 47%, TD: 52%, Witness: 53%, Smile: 58%), with the exception of Prism, which was met with a more favorable reception following the massive TD era (61% on MC). But still, a 35% implies that this time around critics are outright trashing her.

In my opinion, her downfall coincided with the rise of streaming. By 2017, streaming had totally eclipsed the crumbling iTunes. Strong dance-pop tunes by major female pop stars like Katy traditionally sold great on iTunes (and were prominently advertised in the iTunes store), whereas the culture of Spotify favored more subdued and confessional pop, which led to the rapid rise of artists such as Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo. Also, the sudden rise of trap-oriented hip-hop in the streaming era rendered the image and sound of most pop stars obsolete, which was especially the case for Katy, who was known for her sugary bubblegum-pop music. It was in this climate that Witness was released and failed, which was followed by a succession of pop singles that struggled to follow the prevailing sound of the late 2010s and early 2020s. It was these changing tastes that "ended" her career as a mainstream pop artist.

I find the Paula Abdul comparisons in this thread interesting. Paula's debut was definitely a pop blockbuster of gargantuan proportions in North America. It took 64 weeks for the album to hit number one (where it stayed for 10 non-consecutive weeks), in the process spending 64 weeks inside the top 10. It produced 5 smashes (including 4 #1s) that were inescapable on US pop radio in 1989-1990. Straight Up, Cold Hearted and Opposites Attract were particularly big, as evidenced by their YEC rankings (#4, #6 and #14, respectively: OA was released towards the end of the year, it was bigger than what its position suggests, as it was the driving force that propelled the album back to #1 for 9 weeks in early 1990). Spellbound was a very solid follow-up, with Rush Rush becoming the first single since Madonna's Like a Virgin to spend more than 4 weeks at #1, with 5 weeks. The Promise Of a New Day was another #1 (and a personal favorite) and a few follow-up hits allowed the album to become a worthy successor to FYG.

However, similarly to Katy's case, the rapidly changing musical landscape of the early-mid 90s, with the rise of Grunge and mellower R&B (alongside hip-hop) at the expense of dance-pop and New Jack Swing, led to the demise of several major late 80s and early 90s pop artists. Paula tried to adapt with My Love Is For Real but the song wasn't strong enough and she didn't convince audiences with her new sound, which effectively ended her pop career.

I would say their trajectories have certain similarities but I wouldn't equate them completely. For one, Katy has the advantage of having her debut, which gives her more longevity than Paula's two eras. Also, while TD-Prism seem similar to FYG-Spellbound commercially, if we're being honest, Katy does have the edge in terms of the overall magnitude of her success. TD spawned some of the biggest 2010s hits, including CG, TD, Firework, ET and arguably LFN. Prism's Roar and DH are also among the biggest chart successes of the decade. All those songs, alongside IKAG and HnC, are undeniable pop classics that enjoy heavy recurrent airplay and are recognizable by the public, including the newer generations. I know that only time will tell, but it's hard to imagine some of those songs being forgotten in 10 years, especially in the case of instantly recognizable pop staples like IKAG, HnC, Firework, TD and DH. In Paula's case, obviously, her songs are much older so they have a clear disadvantage, but most of her hits haven't stood the test of time. Aside from Straight Up and maybe Cold Hearted, Opposites Attract and Rush Rush, the rest of her discography is unfortunately largely forgotten by the GP, as evidenced by its weak streams. And aside from all that, TD's era of 6 overall #1s and 8 top 3s is simply unprecedented and incomparable to any era, singles-wise at least. It should also be mentioned that, unlike Paula, Katy achieved global success in her prime. Paula achieved some success internationally, but definitely not to the same extent. Finally, Katy's span as a top 10 hit maker lasted from 2008 to 2017 (and as a top 20 hitmaker from 2008 to 2019), compared to Paula's much shorter span as a top 10 hitmaker, which lasted from 1989 to 1991 (her span as a top 20 hitmaker lasted from 1989 to 1992).

Now, I know this whole Katy-Paula discussion is silly, and I'm a fan of both artists, but I just found the whole topic interesting and wanted to join in lol!

[Choco]

When Katy was at her peak it was cool for pop music to get hated on Metacritic. Her scores could have improved if she had kept the quality as critics opened up to the sound she was making but sadly that coincided with her crash and burn. 58 is fairly accurate for Smile (good stuff in there but overall a very just there project).