Billboard Hot 100: 11/30/2024

[tfa20]

Nov 21, 2024 1:06:14 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

Nov 20, 2024 22:12:43 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Lose Control's chart run is honestly disgusting.

Idk what it is this decade with these inoffensive but kind of bland male pop songs that stick around for ages and ages, but it’s a real thing. Heat Waves, Stay, As It Was, Lose Control etc. They’ve basically taken over all of the hot 100 longevity records now

All of those songs are catchy with great sing-along choruses. What's the problem? Or is it another case of unnecessary subconscious bias towards male artists in pop music?

[professord87]

Nov 20, 2024 10:20:31 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

I don't want to get political but people saying that Hot To Go! seems like a bigger hit in the US than Tipsy explains A LOT

Considering Chappell was a bit of a culture zeitgeist this year, saying HOT TO GO! felt like a bigger hit than ABS isn't some outlandish sentiment
 


 

[morgan96]

Nov 21, 2024 2:08:10 GMT -5 professord87 said:

Nov 20, 2024 10:20:31 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

I don't want to get political but people saying that Hot To Go! seems like a bigger hit in the US than Tipsy explains A LOT

Considering Chappell was a bit of a culture zeitgeist this year, saying HOT TO GO! felt like a bigger hit than ABS isn't some outlandish sentiment
 


 

Only liberal women and gays know who is chapell (the low budget version old lady gaga). 99% of population doesn't even know that she exists. You live in a bubble.

[shakemaki]

Nov 21, 2024 1:28:47 GMT -5 tfa20 said:

Nov 21, 2024 1:06:14 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

Idk what it is this decade with these inoffensive but kind of bland male pop songs that stick around for ages and ages, but it’s a real thing. Heat Waves, Stay, As It Was, Lose Control etc. They’ve basically taken over all of the hot 100 longevity records now

All of those songs are catchy with great sing-along choruses. What's the problem? Or is it another case of unnecessary subconscious bias towards male artists in pop music?

Well hence why I said they were inoffensive. I still think they’re all rather dull on the whole. And it’s definitely a certain kind of formula that is sticking around forever on the charts.

[kcdawg13]

I think Chappell is pretty well known in the pop world among most tuned in individuals, HOWEVER A Bar Song is one of those enduring songs that even older people and children know the lyrics and will sing along/dance to it. Remember, Chappell has only had 2 radio hits and one of them wasn’t even that big. There’s a whole audience that doesn’t understand Chappell’s impact this year (same with Charli), compared to Sabrina Carpenter who has had like 5 big radio hits this year.

[gs]

I'm not sure if all the top longevity hits now being easy-listening AC radio type music is a product of the culture or streaming era. It seems kind of impossible for a rap song, or anything that isn't easy-listening to be in the top 10 of the decade nowadays. Background music gets streamed/played on radio forever due it fitting most moods and being inoffensive. When you feel sick or tired, you don't want to listen to anything heavy or grating.

This wasn't really the case in the 2010s: several of the top 10 of the decade were "grating", like Uptown Funk, Closer, Old Town Road, and Party Rock Anthem. Only Levitating for the 2020s matches the heavier sound.

[ObhiDonna]

Nov 21, 2024 2:21:18 GMT -5 morgan96 said:

Nov 21, 2024 2:08:10 GMT -5 professord87 said:

Considering Chappell was a bit of a culture zeitgeist this year, saying HOT TO GO! felt like a bigger hit than ABS isn't some outlandish sentiment
 


 

Only liberal women and gays know who is chapell (the low budget version old lady gaga). 99% of population doesn't even know that she exists. You live in a bubble.

And you think you live outside of one with your constant stanning for someone like Morgan Wallen? Read the room dear!

[groovetheory]

Has the DWAS team done anything to get some more points this week? Is it me or do they not seem to care much?

[morgan96]

Nov 21, 2024 7:33:08 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

Nov 21, 2024 2:21:18 GMT -5 morgan96 said:

Only liberal women and gays know who is chapell (the low budget version old lady gaga). 99% of population doesn't even know that she exists. You live in a bubble.

And you think you live outside of one with your constant stanning for someone like Morgan Wallen? Read the room dear!

I listen to all types of music and I live in Europe. I'm not even American.

[tfa20]

Nov 21, 2024 7:44:01 GMT -5 morgan96 said:

Nov 21, 2024 7:33:08 GMT -5 ObhiDonna said:

And you think you live outside of one with your constant stanning for someone like Morgan Wallen? Read the room dear!

I listen to all types of music and I live in Europe. I'm not even American.

Are you Italian by any chance?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Nov 21, 2024 7:42:00 GMT -5 groovetheory said:

Has the DWAS team done anything to get some more points this week? Is it me or do they not seem to care much?

I think they just gave up this week given that they knew Shaboozey was going to perform Tipsy at the CMAs last night. They already tried some things in previous weeks with the accompanying results we all know, so they probably knew it would be futile to try anything this week. I don't believe there's a DWAS team per se, but if I had to guess, most of the promotion would be handled by Lady Gaga's people. Between her and Bruno, I'd think she has shown previously to be more chart obsessed.

[morgan96]

Nov 21, 2024 7:48:57 GMT -5 tfa20 said:

Nov 21, 2024 7:44:01 GMT -5 morgan96 said:

I listen to all types of music and I live in Europe. I'm not even American.

Are you Italian by any chance?

Who knows... Maybe yes, maybe not

[jenglisbe]

I just looked at the Top 40 chart for the first time in awhile. It's wild to see "Stargazing" at #2 when it's not even top 50 on Streaming Songs. It would be more understandable if it was by a big star, but it's not.

Why tf is "I Can Do It With a Broken Heart" top 5 with a huge bullet? It hasn't been relevant for months now yet is above "Birds of a Feather."

The Weeknd is also top 10 with a song that seemingly came and went.

I got excited to see Kylie Minogue in the top 40, but then I saw the song doesn't even have 1 million impressions. Wow. Top 40 radio really has fallen in terms of audience.

Having said that, I am someone who doesn't think radio and streaming have to perfectly align. Radio has its own purpose and audience. It's just interesting.

[stormlover74]

Nov 21, 2024 9:36:52 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I just looked at the Top 40 chart for the first time in awhile. It's wild to see "Stargazing" at #2 when it's not even top 50 on Streaming Songs. It would be more understandable if it was by a big star, but it's not.

Why tf is "I Can Do It With a Broken Heart" top 5 with a huge bullet? It hasn't been relevant for months now yet is above "Birds of a Feather."

The Weeknd is also top 10 with a song that seemingly came and went.

I got excited to see Kylie Minogue in the top 40, but then I saw the song doesn't even have 1 million impressions. Wow. Top 40 radio really has fallen in terms of audience.

Having said that, I am someone who doesn't think radio and streaming have to perfectly align. Radio has its own purpose and audience. It's just interesting.

I noticed KTU in NYC played Kylie 32x this past week but only 133k audience because 30 of those spins were overnight

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 21, 2024 2:30:31 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

Nov 21, 2024 1:28:47 GMT -5 tfa20 said:

All of those songs are catchy with great sing-along choruses. What's the problem? Or is it another case of unnecessary subconscious bias towards male artists in pop music?

Well hence why I said they were inoffensive. I still think they’re all rather dull on the whole. And it’s definitely a certain kind of formula that is sticking around forever on the charts.

It’s by definition. Major longlasting hits that appeal to the widest range of people are more likely to be inoffensive songs that stand out a little, but not too much.

[After Minutes]

Nov 21, 2024 2:08:10 GMT -5 professord87 said:

Nov 20, 2024 10:20:31 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

I don't want to get political but people saying that Hot To Go! seems like a bigger hit in the US than Tipsy explains A LOT

Considering Chappell was a bit of a culture zeitgeist this year, saying HOT TO GO! felt like a bigger hit than ABS isn't some outlandish sentiment
 

I'm not saying she wasn't big this year, it's just that all data point to ABS being bigger, but it managed to capture the zeitgeist of a different media hemisphere than Chapelle and the two are seemingly almost impenetrable to each other. This is related to politics but obviously has a huge influence on music in it's own right. Pop, rap and country each had huge moments this year (Kendrick v Drake for rap, the rise of the new pantheon of pop girls for pop and tipsy for country) but people who exist in one of these, despite how massive these are, may have no idea that these things happened if they function in a different bubble

[morgan96]

Shaboozey last night performance was terrible.. Maybe die with a smile could reach 1.

[badrobot]

Everyone lives in bubbles, no one is immune from that.

I would've had no idea there was a Drake/Kendrick feud if I didn't follow this board, and I still haven't heard any of the songs involved in the feud. I *still* don't know a single Morgan Wallen song (other than by name from seeing them on this board). Meanwhile Padam Padam would've probably been the #1 song of 2023 among the circles I run in and it didn't even chart on the Hot 100, while Chappell and Charli would easily be the biggest artists of 2024 by a wide margin. I bet if I asked my friends who Shaboozey was, none of them would even know that name.

None of this is surprising or means anything about the validity of the charts. It's just how big your bubble is and how much it overlaps with other bubbles.

It does make me wonder though if Billboard might ever consider charts oriented more around demographics than genres. It's probably too politically fraught to do that, but in particular a full-on "gay pop" chart would probably be really interesting (and competitive) for many of us super-online folks.

[stormlover74]

Nov 21, 2024 11:03:13 GMT -5 morgan96 said:

Shaboozey last night performance was terrible.. Maybe die with a smile could reach 1.

Won't matter. It'll be enough to boost him to #1. DWAS will have to wait until January possibly

[stormlover74]

Nov 21, 2024 11:09:38 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Everyone lives in bubbles, no one is immune from that.

I would've had no idea there was a Drake/Kendrick feud if I didn't follow this board, and I still haven't heard any of the songs involved in the feud. I *still* don't know a single Morgan Wallen song (other than by name from seeing them on this board). Meanwhile Padam Padam would've probably been the #1 song of 2023 among the circles I run in and it didn't even chart on the Hot 100, while Chappell and Charli would easily be the biggest artists of 2024 by a wide margin. I bet if I asked my friends who Shaboozey was, none of them would even know that name.

None of this is surprising or means anything about the validity of the charts. It's just how big your bubble is and how much it overlaps with other bubbles.

It does make me wonder though if Billboard might ever consider charts oriented more around demographics than genres. It's probably too politically fraught to do that, but in particular a full-on "gay pop" chart would probably be really interesting (and competitive) for many of us super-online folks.

Same regarding Kendrick. Also shaboozey hasn't done that well here in NYC. Z100 played I had some help alot more (at least during the afternoon/evening when I listen). And Sabrina about 40x a day since June

[jenglisbe]

This discussion reminds me a lot of election/political stuff, too. Where you live and what 'circle' you hang out in definitely shapes perception. People who live in more liberal areas have a hard time believing Trump can get elected, for instance, whereas I live in a very Republican (and pro-Trump) area so I see Trump flags, hats, shirts, etc on a daily basis. It's also like the electoral college where we sometimes have certain regions lifting songs on the charts, whereas other regions may not play the song much at all.

Maybe demographic charts would be too polarizing as badrobot says, but regional charts could be interesting and would intersect with the concept of demographic charts at least a bit.

To what stormlover74 says, I just checked the 'Recently Played' thing on the Z100 website, and they haven't played "A Bar Song" at all in the past 24 hours. Wow.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 21, 2024 11:09:38 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Everyone lives in bubbles, no one is immune from that.

I would've had no idea there was a Drake/Kendrick feud if I didn't follow this board, and I still haven't heard any of the songs involved in the feud. I *still* don't know a single Morgan Wallen song (other than by name from seeing them on this board). Meanwhile Padam Padam would've probably been the #1 song of 2023 among the circles I run in and it didn't even chart on the Hot 100, while Chappell and Charli would easily be the biggest artists of 2024 by a wide margin. I bet if I asked my friends who Shaboozey was, none of them would even know that name.

None of this is surprising or means anything about the validity of the charts. It's just how big your bubble is and how much it overlaps with other bubbles.

It does make me wonder though if Billboard might ever consider charts oriented more around demographics than genres. It's probably too politically fraught to do that, but in particular a full-on "gay pop" chart would probably be really interesting (and competitive) for many of us super-online folks.

So true! To add to this too, most of us may exist in multiple bubbles. There’s demographics but there’s also geography. Songs and artists can be regionally huge but have no recognition beyond the region. Obviously this is common countries but on smaller scales where I live, there have been artists who got tons of airplay on local radio and who are big draws on local live music scene that no one outside my city would know.
This is why I don’t think the Hot 100 matters as much as it used to, or at least as much as people may think for most artists. For many artists, it’s out if reach for them so it isn’t factored in anywhere, yet musicians still absolutely thrive and succeed without ever coming anywhere near it. I’m sure Carly Rae Jepsen is living her best life. Brandi Carlile is a star and her only Hot 100 hit was in 2007. It’s all relative.

[kiddo1994]

Christmas Songs are kinda underperforming, DWAS can also compete next week mefears

[clsvltn]

I think DWAS has a shot but idk. It is a short work week next week for many and a lot of people and stations will flip to Xmas either right before or after Thanksgiving. Shaboozey also will be playing the Thanksgiving football game halftime show which last year reached nearly 35 million viewers. The Lions this year are also one of the biggest teams in the league now and could be approaching their first super bowl so the game might even be bigger than normal.

[shakemaki]

Nov 21, 2024 10:25:14 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 21, 2024 2:30:31 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

Well hence why I said they were inoffensive. I still think they’re all rather dull on the whole. And it’s definitely a certain kind of formula that is sticking around forever on the charts.

It’s by definition. Major longlasting hits that appeal to the widest range of people are more likely to be inoffensive songs that stand out a little, but not too much.

There was a lot more variety for these songs that were mega-long lasting smashes before this decade though. Again, I think you can dump stuff like Stay, As It Was, Lose Control, and Heat Waves all in the same category of song. As opposed to at the start of the decade when we had stuff like How Do I Live, Sail, Blinding Lights, I’m Yours, Levitating, Party Rock Anthem etc as the songs holding those records.

[imbondz]

I know it’s probably not possible, but in the trillion to one chance there’s a tie for #1 , is there a tie breaker rule or would both songs be considered #1 for the week?

[Envoirment]

Nov 21, 2024 14:40:48 GMT -5 imbondz said:

I know it’s probably not possible, but in the trillion to one chance there’s a tie for #1 , is there a tie breaker rule or would both songs be considered #1 for the week?

I think it's the song that had the biggest point increase (or least % decrease) if that make sense.

[Enigma.]

They'll probably have so many decimals that a complete tie is practically impossible even lower down the chart. It would be more likely if the chart was all sales.

[gs]

Nov 21, 2024 11:09:38 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Everyone lives in bubbles, no one is immune from that.

I would've had no idea there was a Drake/Kendrick feud if I didn't follow this board, and I still haven't heard any of the songs involved in the feud. I *still* don't know a single Morgan Wallen song (other than by name from seeing them on this board). Meanwhile Padam Padam would've probably been the #1 song of 2023 among the circles I run in and it didn't even chart on the Hot 100, while Chappell and Charli would easily be the biggest artists of 2024 by a wide margin. I bet if I asked my friends who Shaboozey was, none of them would even know that name.

None of this is surprising or means anything about the validity of the charts. It's just how big your bubble is and how much it overlaps with other bubbles.

It does make me wonder though if Billboard might ever consider charts oriented more around demographics than genres. It's probably too politically fraught to do that, but in particular a full-on "gay pop" chart would probably be really interesting (and competitive) for many of us super-online folks.

I think the point is that the bubbles of the 2020s are way more insulating than those of the 2010s. It seems clear that songs with double-digit weeks at #1 used to be far more powerful in their ability to pierce bubbles/subcultures, and be known to a wide variety of people.

What proportion of the US population, 1-2 years after the songs' peak hadn't yet heard Uptown Funk, Shape of You, Blurred Lines, Closer, Despacito, or Old Town Road, when compared with The Box, good 4 u (intentionally ignoring Butter), As It Was, Last Night, or A Bar Song (Tipsy)?

[velaxti]

I saw some predictions somewhere, and it looks like Last Christmas is doing a lot better than usual this year?